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What makes any of that relevant to the OP? And if you don't know the difference between a state-licensed practitioner and one with a certificate from the School of Gomez, why on earth are you giving uninformed advice? There are also people who have had terrible experiences with dentists... I wouldn't go to an unlicensed dentist, myself. A healthy dose of skepticism and critical thinking goes a long way in selecting a qualified practitioner for anything.

Unlicensed dentists are a rarity. Unlicensed counselors are the vast majority. And most people don't know the "licensed professional counselor" magic words. They look in the phone book, not state websites.

I take it that your daughter had a drug problem, was remanded to counseling by a judge, and chose the cheapest counselors she could find?

No, she was molested. She had anger issues. Thus the "just take a deep breath" bullshit. That, and the journaling. The counselors would ask her if she was keeping up her journal and she would say "yes" and that was the end of it.

BTW, when judges remand people into treatment, it's the judge who tells them where they're going for treatment.

I got BUY VIAGRA NOW from ONLINE PHRAMACY(sic), some allegedly horny alleged grrl wanting me to chat and {昨天幹到的熟女樣樣都敢玩唷!{z}, but nothing from Dok.

So, on what, exactly, do you base your decision to "believe in" psychiatrists, but not psychologists? What makes psychiatrists exempt from your disbelief in the field of mental health care?

I knew one once. He was actually intelligent.

Well, I know a physicist who's a real asshole, so I stopped believing in mass.

I know a proctologist who...oh, never mind. 

If you want to backpedal a bit and modify your complaint to apply only to unlicensed counselors, I'll get off your case about it. Because it's not hard to agree that unlicensed counselors have no real credentials, can't be said to be properly trained, and are probably peddling a load of bunk.

Looking at the link, I suppose the bulk of them are unlicensed. I didn't know that, so it's not a backpedal...just assumed that if somebody had a counseling practice, it would imply some kind of license. The Rumplestiltskin rule: look for "licensed professional counselor", exact words, not "certified professional counselor" or "licensed counselor" or any of that.
Which doesn't help 99% of the people running around, since the best ones are probably in the major cities, not affordable, don't take Medicaid, etc. And judges stipulate druggies to whatever is cheap.

So, on what, exactly, do you base your decision to "believe in" psychiatrists, but not psychologists? What makes psychiatrists exempt from your disbelief in the field of mental health care?

I knew one once. He was actually intelligent.

You're in Texas, right? http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/OC/htm/OC.503.htm

Subchapter B looks like it might be the hole that the idiots get through...

Nigel, years of observation and I've seen nothing but snake oil. If you want to believe in them, that's you. As far as I'm concerned, they suck. Not sure why that bothers you so much.

Nigel, maybe your state regs are different...where I live, "delving into issues" is something people do with a clinical psychologist, not a counselor...

My daughter's fine, in spite of the string of shit counselors.  And yeah, she did the journals, pointless though that was.

I hear drug counselors are even worse, all they have to do is complete a residential treatment program and if they can't find a real job, they're in like Flynn. One of them told the guy across the street that the only way he's gonna stay clean is Jesus Christ.

Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.

My daugher had a whole string of them and they were all useless. Their whole schtick was "take a deep breath" and "keep a journal". I don't think they could effectively sort out a closet, much less anybody's issues.

Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Is the secks-with-the-gawds lady still around?

SHIT------->FAN

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IT'S ALL PART OF IT.  Some taste is subjective...But if you tell me that Celebrity Apprentice or that fucking Hannah Montana bullshit is up for DEBATE, I will drown Boston under a deluge not seen since BIBLICAL TIMES!  

Please to start with Nashville. Fuckers are trying to turn country music into pop again/yet/still.

Nashville is the FIRST place that takes it in the neck.  Even before Disney.  I've had it up to HERE with those jackasses.  Especially that fat fuck Hank Jr, who spends all his time pissing on his father's grave and sucking up to the Grand Ole Opry crowd.  Hell, he even contaminated Big 7 Rich, who - while not exactly paragons of talent - at least remembered what country music IS.

And that Goddamn "Dollywood", too.  

But it's not JUST the music, is it?  No, the whole IDEA of country has devolved from what little introspection America had, to being a fucking pom-pom squad for the very same "Big Government" they claim they despise.  Fuck them all, drop the whole Southeast into the shitter, after we get our people out.

It's also a big infomercial to sell 4 wheel drive pickups to people who only drive in town.

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THREAD IN DANGER OF SLIPPING INTO SUBJECTIVE MUSICAL TASTE DEBATE.  PLEASE COURSE-CORRECT 37 DEGREES TOWARDS SHIT-MONKEYS.

IT'S ALL PART OF IT.  Some taste is subjective...But if you tell me that Celebrity Apprentice or that fucking Hannah Montana bullshit is up for DEBATE, I will drown Boston under a deluge not seen since BIBLICAL TIMES!  

Please to start with Nashville. Fuckers are trying to turn country music into pop again/yet/still.

What they call "country" IS pop.
If you want country, sometimes you can hear it on an "americana" station.
Fuckin doublespeak everywhere.