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Title: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 04:54:19 AM
The Seven Deadly Sins are traditionally regarded as some of the fundamental human flaws, the parts of humanity that make us the depraved, sniveling little toads we are. Everyone knows their names, they are about as basic as human evil goes. They're as old as time and despite their age they continue to trip us up to this very day. Lust lives in the specter of AIDS, Wrath is displayed on the faces of our leaders like war paint, and Greed is personified in the short sighted avarice of our political and business leaders. Even the least thought of of the sins, Sloth and Gluttony continue to show their ugly faces in cases such as the obese man in Ohio who was so obese and immobile that when he died he was fused to his chair.

   But those Seven aren't the only primal evils. They've got brothers and sisters in crime. These other sins are known as Apathy, Deception, Short Sightedness, Prejudice, Willful Ignorance, Exploitation, and Fear. They don't get as much attention as the more traditional seven, but they are just as, if not more, damaging to our development as a species.

   First up is Apathy, the distant cousin of Sloth. Apathy is indifference, its just not caring about anything that doesn't affect you. Its being unwilling to rock the boat, to try and make change or even have an opinion. Apathy is evil by omission. Look at every genocide, every dictatorship, every singularly vile act in human history and you'll find people who knew that things were messed up but said nothing. Apathy is letting monstrous shit happen because you don't have the guts to make a stand.

   On April 18, 2010 a Guatemalan immigrant called Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax was stabbed several times while trying to save a woman from an attack. He bled to death in the street as people walked by, doing nothing to help him. The only person who stopped only did so to take a picture of him dying with a camera phone. And this isn't the only case of such behavior. On Christmas Day, 2010, a charity worker by the name of Simone Back posted a suicide note on Facebook. The message was short and simple, "Took all my pills be dead soon so bye bye every one." The response from her 1,082 "friends" was to mock her. While she died of an intentional overdose, these people, some of whom lived within walking distance, called her a liar and argued with each other. No one even bothered to inform her mother of the note until seventeen hours later. Simone's mother posted a message on Facebook announcing her daughters death and asking her friends to please leave her alone. These people who claimed to be her friends were still insulting and arguing about Simone even after she was dead.

   I'm sorry, does this make you feel uncomfortable? Does hearing about the indifference and cowardice of people who do nothing while people suffer around them offend you? Good, because it should. This should make you angry and sick inside. But does it? Think about how this little tidbit affected you. Cause there is a pretty good chance you just wrote it off, just like the spineless bastards who stood by and let  Simone Back and Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax die. Because hey, it isn't your problem, why should you get worked up over it?
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 04:55:47 AM
This is part of an essay I'm working on. It's part of a project I've got in mind, which I'll elaborate on when it gets closer to completion. The other parts will come as I write them.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 04:59:21 AM
I like it.

Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:01:15 AM
QuoteI like it.

Thanks. Anything I can improve on? I'm going to be distributing this, so it needs to be as close to perfect as I can make it.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Jenne on April 01, 2011, 05:01:19 AM
...I remember that case.  So sad, and such a clear example of public apathy.

GREAT piece, Semaj.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
Quote...I remember that case.  So sad, and such a clear example of public apathy.

GREAT piece, Semaj.

Thanks. Lately I've been getting angrier and angrier. Woke up today with a strong  desire to hurt things.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Jenne on April 01, 2011, 05:08:43 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
Quote...I remember that case.  So sad, and such a clear example of public apathy.

GREAT piece, Semaj.

Thanks. Lately I've been getting angrier and angrier. Woke up today with a strong  desire to hurt things.

Ah, well, I think Rog says something like: Shit your hate before it shits on you...or something to that effect...but it's a good thing to vent it out before it comes out sideways wielding a machete and chops up shit you'd rather not sacrifice to the cause.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:11:01 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
Quote...I remember that case.  So sad, and such a clear example of public apathy.

GREAT piece, Semaj.

Thanks. Lately I've been getting angrier and angrier. Woke up today with a strong  desire to hurt things.

Go to bed mad, wake up madder, that's what I say.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:11:23 AM
Quote from: Jenne on April 01, 2011, 05:08:43 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:05:41 AM
Quote...I remember that case.  So sad, and such a clear example of public apathy.

GREAT piece, Semaj.

Thanks. Lately I've been getting angrier and angrier. Woke up today with a strong  desire to hurt things.

Ah, well, I think Rog says something like: Shit your hate before it shits on you...or something to that effect...but it's a good thing to vent it out before it comes out sideways wielding a machete and chops up shit you'd rather not sacrifice to the cause.

SHIT YOUR HATE OR YOU WILL DIE!
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:12:37 AM
Quote
Ah, well, I think Rog says something like: Shit your hate before it shits on you...or something to that effect...but it's a good thing to vent it out before it comes out sideways wielding a machete and chops up shit you'd rather not sacrifice to the cause.

Heh. Yeah. Well, that's what I plan on doing. The Hugo-Alfredo Tale-Yax story is what really did it for me. Last paragraph was a direct result of the resulting rage spasm.

QuoteGo to bed mad, wake up madder, that's what I say.

THIS. Exhausted and temporarily spent. I'll post more tomorrow though. I've got six more sins to go over...
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:14:24 AM
Check my new thread down in politics.  It will cure some of this disillusionment.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Jenne on April 01, 2011, 05:14:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:11:23 AM
SHIT YOUR HATE OR YOU WILL DIE!

Ah, there it is.  You'd think I'd remember something as elemental.  My version's also a little sick in the head.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:19:09 AM
QuoteCheck my new thread down in politics.  It will cure some of this disillusionment.

That didn't help at all! You bastard!
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:19:45 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:19:09 AM
QuoteCheck my new thread down in politics.  It will cure some of this disillusionment.

That didn't help at all! You bastard!

Um..."Villain".
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:20:38 AM
QuoteUm..."Villain".

Someone is going to pay tomorrow. Someone as in rednecks.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 01, 2011, 05:22:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:20:38 AM
QuoteUm..."Villain".

Someone is going to pay tomorrow. Someone as in rednecks.

Why limit yourself?  Smarmy fucking liberals can be every bit as apathetic.  They just wring their hands a bit more and moan about how awful it all is, while they sidle away.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 05:23:05 AM
QuoteWhy limit yourself?  Smarmy fucking liberals can be every bit as apathetic.  They just wring their hands a bit more and moan about how awful it all is, while they sidle away.

There's only one in my town. He's my American Government teacher. And don't worry, he's probably going to get it worst of all.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: LMNO on April 01, 2011, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 01, 2011, 05:01:15 AM
Thanks. Anything I can improve on? I'm going to be distributing this, so it needs to be as close to perfect as I can make it.

I hate to say this, but find a different representative.

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/03/27/05

QuoteSubsequent investigations of the Kitty Genovese case have shown that story to be greatly exaggerated... Moseley said he was standing over Kitty, trying to figure out a place he could take her to work on her, when he heard someone call out from the building across the street, "Leave that woman alone." He then realized that his car was parked where it could be identified. So he ran off, got into his car, backed it around 82nd Road, about half a block up, parked, and waited.

In the meantime, Kitty walked, however unsteadily, around to the back of the building. She collapsed inside a small foyer in the back of that two-story Tudor building. And 10 minutes later, Mr. Moseley came back, found her there, and that's where she suffered the wounds that would eventually kill her.

There was only one person who was in a position to witness that second attack, and that was a man who had an apartment, the entrance to which was at the top of the stairwell to that vestibule. He said that he didn't want to call the police because his problem was that he was inebriated; he had been highly intoxicated. So he contacted a woman who lived in the building and she did call the police.

The wounds that she apparently suffered during the first attack, the two to four stabs in the back, caused her lungs to be punctured, and the testimony given at trial is that she died not from bleeding to death but from asphyxiation. The air from her lungs leaked into her thoracic cavity, compressing the lungs, making it impossible for her to breathe. If someone suffers that type of lung damage, are they even physically capable of screaming for a solid half hour?

If you look at The Times article, it looks like there were two hands there. The first paragraph takes an entirely different tack than the rest of the story and the accompanying picture. What I think happened is that the reporter turned in probably what he thought was a very carefully written article, and the editor rewrote that first paragraph and tacked it onto the story. And it was that paragraph that people remember.

No one knows where the number for "38 witnesses" came from. All I can tell you is that there's a man named Charles Skoller, and he was the assistant prosecutor. He helped prosecute Winston Moseley. And he said he doesn't know where the 38 witness number came from. He said that the District Attorney's Office found only maybe five or six people who saw anything that they could use, and of the people he identified, there are only really two that I know of who actually saw any part of the physical attack.  And the only person who could be said to have ignored the plight of this young woman was that man at the top of the stairs.


So, yeah.  File under "it just bugs me".








Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 01, 2011, 03:41:52 PM
The Kitty Genovese case is usually one of the first cited for the "diffusion of responsibility" phenomenon, which is actually very common.  It's not that nobody cares, it's that the more people witnessing something happen, the less likely it is anyone will do something about it.  They'll all assume someone else will handle it.

That's why in CPR training, they teach people not to yell out "someone go get the AED (automated electronic defibrilator, I think)."  They teach you to point to a person, specifically, and tell them to find an AED.

The concept I like.  I can see apathy being one of the new deadly sins, but the deadly sins are very much something that people succumb to.  Diffusion of responsibility isn't so much a sin as it is a very basic level of reaction.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: LMNO on April 01, 2011, 03:48:36 PM
Well, I know I'm in the minority on this one.  Everyone "knows" the Kitty Genovese case was an example of "diffusion of responsibility", so they use that as a shorthand.

Because it's used as shorthand, everyone knows what it's referring to.

What bugs me is that the actual Kitty Genovese case, not the one that everyone uses as shorthand, was not an instance of diffusion of responsibility.


So, we end up with two Kitty Genoveses.  One where 38 people watched or listened to her being murdered, and one where someone noticed and said something, another was drunk, and where Kitty's lungs were punctured so she couldn't scream.

I don't doubt that the diffusion of responsibility effect is real.  I've seen it in action.  What bugs me is that people are ossifying a lie to explain a truth.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Eater of Clowns on April 01, 2011, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 01, 2011, 03:48:36 PM
Well, I know I'm in the minority on this one.  Everyone "knows" the Kitty Genovese case was an example of "diffusion of responsibility", so they use that as a shorthand.

Because it's used as shorthand, everyone knows what it's referring to.

What bugs me is that the actual Kitty Genovese case, not the one that everyone uses as shorthand, was not an instance of diffusion of responsibility.


So, we end up with two Kitty Genoveses.  One where 38 people watched or listened to her being murdered, and one where someone noticed and said something, another was drunk, and where Kitty's lungs were punctured so she couldn't scream.

I don't doubt that the diffusion of responsibility effect is real.  I've seen it in action.  What bugs me is that people are ossifying a lie to explain a truth.

I can dig that.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Luna on April 01, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
Hrm.  Use it, move on to Gullibility, next, and riff off of this.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Jasper on April 01, 2011, 06:51:54 PM
I'm very interested in having a set of sins that are actually, you know, deadly.  Apathy kills.  Therefore, deadly.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 01, 2011, 10:23:09 PM
Quote
I hate to say this, but find a different representative.

Goddamit. I checked that one. Guess I should have double checked. It's not that big a deal, there's another case I can use.

Thanks for the save, LMNO. Can't afford to have any mistakes on this one.

QuoteWell, I know I'm in the minority on this one.  Everyone "knows" the Kitty Genovese case was an example of "diffusion of responsibility", so they use that as a shorthand.

Because it's used as shorthand, everyone knows what it's referring to.

What bugs me is that the actual Kitty Genovese case, not the one that everyone uses as shorthand, was not an instance of diffusion of responsibility.


So, we end up with two Kitty Genoveses.  One where 38 people watched or listened to her being murdered, and one where someone noticed and said something, another was drunk, and where Kitty's lungs were punctured so she couldn't scream.

I don't doubt that the diffusion of responsibility effect is real.  I've seen it in action.  What bugs me is that people are ossifying a lie to explain a truth.

I'm going to scrap it anyway.I want facts to support my conclusions, not shorthand.

QuoteI'm very interested in having a set of sins that are actually, you know, deadly.  Apathy kills.  Therefore, deadly.

I'm going more for, damaging on both a societal and personal level, kind of thing. Kind of pointing out what I consider the things that hold us back as a species, though with an admittedly America-centric tone.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 03, 2011, 02:49:22 AM
Okay, fixed the Kitty Genovese thing. Going to right up Prejudice and hopefully a couple other sins tonight.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Placid Dingo on April 03, 2011, 03:19:15 AM
Read 'opening skinners box' for some good research regarding the genovese case/diffusion of responsibility etc and ways to combat that inclination

/threadjack
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 03, 2011, 03:22:28 AM
QuoteRead 'opening skinners box' for some good research regarding the genovese case/diffusion of responsibility etc and ways to combat that inclination

Hmm. Interesting. Added to Amazon wish list.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Phox on April 03, 2011, 08:10:58 AM
Semaj, my piece on Kitty Genovese:

It bugs me, like LMNO. Because the fact that she did get up and walk inside made the few people who saw her (as LMNO has already provided evidence that it was 4 or 5 people), think she was oka,y or at the very least not as badly off as she was.

Even the drunkard DID contact someone to try to get her help. So, yeah, it bugs me.


I do like the rewrite, though you might want to change the the last paragraph a little bit. It just doesn't seem to flow right for some reason.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 03, 2011, 08:15:20 AM
QuoteSemaj, my piece on Kitty Genovese:

It bugs me, like LMNO. Because the fact that she did get up and walk inside made the few people who saw her (as LMNO has already provided evidence that it was 4 or 5 people), think she was oka,y or at the very least not as badly off as she was.

Even the drunkard DID contact someone to try to get her help. So, yeah, it bugs me.

A good case of common knowledge turning out to be false, for sure.

QuoteI do like the rewrite, though you might want to change the the last paragraph a little bit. It just doesn't seem to flow right for some reason.

Hmm. Let me see...okay, I fiddled with it a little. How does it sound now?
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Phox on April 03, 2011, 08:18:00 AM
Better.  :)
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 03, 2011, 08:24:10 AM
Good.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Placid Dingo on April 03, 2011, 03:17:38 PM
Also relevant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas#Exposici.C3.B3n_N.C2.B0_1
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: The Wizard on April 04, 2011, 02:06:12 AM
QuoteAlso relevant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas#Exposici.C3.B3n_N.C2.B0_1

Yeah, this would also work perfectly. Can't decide who needs their asses kicked more, the artist or the audience. Probably both equally.
Title: Re: The Other Seven Deadly Sins (part 1)
Post by: Placid Dingo on April 04, 2011, 04:08:01 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on April 04, 2011, 02:06:12 AM
QuoteAlso relevant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas#Exposici.C3.B3n_N.C2.B0_1

Yeah, this would also work perfectly. Can't decide who needs their asses kicked more, the artist or the audience. Probably both equally.

I'm inclined to suspect the dog came to no harm.