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Good god that movie was moronic. Even if we ignore the science making no sense, there's still the more pressing fact that despite Dr.Malcolm's moralizing nothing bad happened there that couldn't happen at a regular zoo with lions and tigers and bears and stuff. It was just an ordinary case of some of the animals getting out and mauling the visitors. It's happened in the San Francisco zoo at least twice

And thats why people with sufficient emotion don't put animals in the cages just to look at them. You could also say that it isn't rational, for the risk to humans included, but include the profit motif and suddenly risking human lives becomes perfectly logical.

We need emotion. Lot's of it, and not only in the sanitised prescribed form we feel by staring at screens. How often knowing what's wrong got you up and protesting? At the same time you know that you are just a tiny part of everything and probably what you do won't count anyways. How fucking motivating? At the same time if you feel that there's something wrong, the feeling won't just give up and let you go before you actually DO something about it.

When mind dominates, you end up as a loner. When emotions dominate, you'll likely die for a cause. Get balance and stop being so fucking miserable, because that shit transmits by the internet.

But once we've found one of these "decoder rings" that cracks opern a secret layer of reality, we have a tendency to stop there.

You mean like "establish"-found, or "stumble upon"-found?

But yes, there are such levers available, at least from a trolling POV.  For example, walking into a political debate page and saying "Can anyone explain to me WHY I should side with either the Israelis or the Palestinians?"

Don't leave me hanging So which one is it?

Yes actually, theres this pair of internationally renowned scientists by the name of Sire and Aidrocsid that published a couple of papers in this very forum!

Very appreciated, I'll report back after reading through some of the 300 pages!

Fun thing I noticed. Debates tend to be kinda boring and one sided when a person being wrong is so wrong that basically everybodys against them. Not that I wished this particular topic had any power to sway forum consencus.

Still, there must be a theoretical opinion, that would split the crowd neatly by the middle. Is there any research done about this?

You seem to think that there's some sort of distinct entity inside you, which is angry from being imprisoned.  This is a false extension of the analogy.  You have multiple internal motivating forces, but there is only one you.  Some of your motivating forces should not be given free play.  Refusing to give them free play does not make some "inner beast" angrier than it would be otherwise.

I was thinking about the duality between the part of us which is still just another one of the great apes and what makes us human. The difference seems to be a bit of brain, complex enough vocal cords, and tons of culture stacked on top. You know the sort of culture which from the beginning has worked to suppress most of the stuff the Ape likes to do. Yeah, violence, but also things like sex, caring for people, and eating. Suppressed are also things more unique to the humans but not unprecedented in animals. Hell, soon an ability to shit will be a commodified luxury.

That makes lots of humans unhappy. They are forced to put 99% of themselves in a cage to be "civilized" and can't even burst out in a violent rage to blow steam, like every rational animal would tend to do when spred so thin, because of the dire concequenses the society would impose on you.

What I'm getting at is that the animal part, the instinct, shouldn't be blamed for horrific acts humans commit. The Ape isn't capable of connecting a group of people to a terrorist attack that happened on the other side of the globe, when none of the participants were present, and decide it's a logical act to shoot them. No, that is a human mind extrapolating from data that has been fed to them. That's just human, nothing holy or primal in that.

Chimpanzees don't go around all day killing everything they see. They groom, climb in trees, and do other chimpanzee shit. Now, try to take one, put it in a cage, and keep it in there for years. What do you expect to happen when you go and open the door?

Animals are terribly rational in the way they do violence. They have millions of years of experience telling them, when it is a good idea to go batshit crazy on a killing spree, and when just chill. It is humans, who are capable of doing stupid, unnecessary violence, because WE put the animals into the cages, and make them grow hateful and bitter.

Nullified, I get that you are meaning that we'd cage only the rage part of the Ape, but I don't think Apes are that fond of scalpels.

I'm not sure what the mass-shooters do with their inner beasts, but they sure as hell didn't love them, for they wouldn't voluntarily put them in a potentially lethal survival situation otherwise. No ape ever died for their nation, that shit is humane.

Do you actually need to "triumph over the animal", or couldn't you just like, love it to submission? The Animal is after all ancient and mighty, proud of every evolutionary innovation it has gathered through the years.

It is a sort of thing I'd much rather have as a friend than a slave.

Wait... so one could actually avoid that shit? I really need to go get some perspective.

I accidentally butchered the whole soundscape by stacking drum-machine-sounds. The thing is just running in the corner, and for some reason I'm not turning it off

Jeanne de Salzmann (I think? or maybe Margaret Anderson?) said that organizing your life to intentionally create those conditions is a sacred process.

Wait... Doesn't that mean there's people running around creating those conditions for other people? That you could in theory make the whole waking up thing an industrialized process? Sell people placebo pills so people don't realise what is sold to them is actually a live action theatre around them designed to push them off the rails?

First draft of the layout, what do you think?

The way the word "thinking" is stacked on top of another one of itself is a thing that tends to grab my attention from the text, but I don't know if everybody works that way.

The part with "sadly I didn't give those words a minute of thought" seems to be a bit out of context.

But the fonts and frames and backrounds are good, if that's what you were asking.

Can I take this for Holy Nonsense?

Yes. Do as you please.

What conditions do you think created the possibility for this moment?

I struggled with this question for hours.

Something that has been leeching me for months ended/transformed into something else, so lots of energy was floating around. Then I went to a place while not expecting to get drunk and began drinking, while my brain was already partly in the next day, because I was supposed to see an old friend of mine pretty early in the morning. Lots of tiny, unusual things happened during the evening.

As much as the situation my overall mental state probably contributed to the moment. Much frustration, mania, lonliness, boredom and clarity during the week.

There was also this video about AI which kinda hit the spot.https://youtu.be/v9M2Ho9I9Qo

Something happened.

Sadly I didn't give those words a minute of thought, but still, after a night of heavy drinking, I was sitting on a bus, intoxicated and heading home. A situation way too familiar to me. Like I've literally been in the same exact moment multiple times in my life. But this time, instead of just thinking about stuff or staring at the void, I tried thinking forward. Step into the future, through the bus ride, a short walk from the stop, opening a door, walking up the stairs, entering my apartment... And then what?

If I made that decision on that split second I stood on my doormat, I would've probably just continued the loop. Open a tv, find something to eat, pass out, and whatever, but as I had a whole bus ride to think about it I came to very different conclusion. I'd instead decided to put my phone to charge, drink water, and go read a book.

I have no idea how long this is gonna last, but since then, being less than 10 hours ago, I've had this feeling I always "know" what I'm doing next. While going through an action, I can decide the following actions for as far as my memory lets me. After that everything has felt like a continuum. Not just moments shattered across the time with no way to travel between them.

I know most tend to call this phenomenon planning, but hell, it feels like magic to me.