Due to a collection of vague threats toward the board, and at one point some nasty insinuations against my children.
If anyone has a problem with this, speak up.
If any admins have a problem with this, please contact me before unbanning him.
I immediately don't like it, not having seen the threats or insinuations, and being quite fond of how hard it is to get banned here without seriously attacking the place but I'm not going to dig through his posts to check it out, because I have too many to catch up on after ignoring him.
Lacking any other information, I'ma just believe you had good reason.
The chicken is dead. Long live the chicken.
Link?
Quote from: Faust on July 24, 2011, 08:01:54 PM
Link?
In reverse order:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29657.390 Bottom of the page.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=29003.msg1075256#msg1075256
The rest are in PM. You want me to post them as well?
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
I immediately don't like it, not having seen the threats or insinuations, and being quite fond of how hard it is to get banned here without seriously attacking the place but I'm not going to dig through his posts to check it out, because I have too many to catch up on after ignoring him.
"I wasn't paying attention, so Dok is a Nazi."
I don't really see any threats there, even the vague insinuations had nothing really negative to them.
As it stands I don't see the reason to ban him in his posts. If however he threatened your kids in a PM that would be more then sufficient in my view to ban him.
On the one hand I'd like to see those PM's, on the other they probably shouldn't be posted on the board, if you feel like forwarding them on that would probably be ok.
Either way I won't be changing it back, he had verbal diarrhoea, said nothing of interest and I don't see any real reason to fight for him.
I'm with Faust on this. I don't see the problem with the vague insinuations, he just says he'll be leaving soon forgotten but that there's still a punchline coming. But if he threatened your kids in a PM, that's more than enough reason to ban him.
I have been paying attention and see no threats in the threads either.
Not here to stick up for chicken, but there's a lot of crap on these threads with or without him.
If his crap was threatening in private I will, of course, take your word.
That said, all I saw was rather ironic poo slinging on many threads that just would not stop.
The thread "new people should probably read this" now seems to me more like an object warning than guidance for noobs.
I won't miss him, and I begin to wonder if the "You're free to say whatever you want 'cuz it's Discordiatm" idea on this forum is even functional or useful.
It's not like the majority of folks even know about Discordianism at all.
If they come here looking for the fun and intriguing ideas they may have been exposed to I think they may find the crapsplatter everywhere discouraging in the extreme.
Does this forum have a purpose?
If so, is that purpose served by your leadership personalities profusely fighting with what they see clearly as a moron?
If not, why continue it without a purpose?
I'm very sincere about this because I think there's more potential in Discordia than is currently being felt by the world.
If some of the folks here really want positive change from their efforts you need a greater purpose for people to focus on so that the unnecessary interpersonal conflicts can be either avoided or re-directed to constructive efforts.
With respect are you folks really in this for Science or what(ever)?
Everyone is free in discordia. Say what you want. So will everyone else. Doesn't mean it will be pleasant.
In fact MY discordia often involves diving headfirst into unpleasantness.
QuoteIt' s not like the majority of folks even know
about Discordianism at all .
And just how would YOU sell it to them?
Just because you label yourself "discordian" doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.
Threats and people's children should be off the fucking table, IMO unless you're really fucking familiar and intimate with the target and can make those kinds of jokes without being a cockgobbling turkey neck.
No offense bc I don't really KNOW for a fact where you're coming from (and you might mean it in the nicest way possible) but "diving into unpleasantness" has the suspicious tone of one who is the first to gleefully indulge in picking up a bat and joining the mob whenever someone in the crowd screams "Get 'im!" but locks himself in the house with the TV and a bag of chips when someone needs help moving.
:lulz:
Not knowing sure didn't stop you from assuming the worst.
By that I meant I actively seek out things that are unpleasant for me. To break through the barriers of my complacency and stagnation inn an effort to get the most out of life and ensure my experiences are worth my time.
I actively look for a shattering of my worldviews so I don't settle on one, which might be erroneous.
I worry less about other people since I can't force then to act or think differently, and if I could why would I want to.
As for the Chicken, I thought I was quite civil with him beyond a poke here and there which I would do to anyone else, based on their posts.
Quote from: Alty on July 24, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
Everyone is free in discordia. Say what you want. So will everyone else. Doesn't mean it will be pleasant.
In fact MY discordia often involves diving headfirst into unpleasantness.
QuoteIt' s not like the majority of folks even know
about Discordianism at all .
And just how would YOU sell it to them?
The same way I plan to sell sex products. The product sells it's self to the right kind of person.
The trick is introducing the possibility and keywords in memorable fashion.
My web site is intended to make Eris a better known name and tie it to sexuality.
So will my advertisements.
The people that like will buy and the really smart ones will question once exposed to my mutated mythology.
It would be nice to send questioners about such subjects to decent sources of information.
Of course my stuff is not about Discordianism exclusively, and I just feel I've said enough about my stuff for now.
Ant I totally agree about the "diving in." Best to be ready to swim tho.
Quote from: navkat on July 24, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Just because you label yourself "discordian" doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.
Threats and people's children should be off the fucking table, IMO unless you're really fucking familiar and intimate with the target and can make those kinds of jokes without being a cockgobbling turkey neck.
The "threat" there was vague, too.
Just a PM saying "Kids?"
Sorry, but that was enough for me.
Quote from: Triple Zero on July 24, 2011, 10:21:17 PM
I'm with Faust on this. I don't see the problem with the vague insinuations, he just says he'll be leaving soon forgotten but that there's still a punchline coming. But if he threatened your kids in a PM, that's more than enough reason to ban him.
At no point did he make an overt threat. Instead, he made a series of threats written around the threat, as it were.
Writing a threat as a "hint" is just the same as making a threat.
Quote from: navkat on July 24, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Just because you label yourself "discordian" doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.
Who said this and when?
With the labeling and the whatsits?
As for the chicken's ban..theres not much to miss there though I do enjoy watching hostile trolls leaving dragging their shame behind them.
But kids are a line you dont cross.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2011, 01:02:10 AM
Quote from: navkat on July 24, 2011, 11:36:25 PM
Just because you label yourself "discordian" doesn't mean you get to be an asshole.
Threats and people's children should be off the fucking table, IMO unless you're really fucking familiar and intimate with the target and can make those kinds of jokes without being a cockgobbling turkey neck.
The "threat" there was vague, too.
Just a PM saying "Kids?"
Sorry, but that was enough for me.
Yeah, that's not ok. Not like it was time for you to sit and chat about your personal lives. I'd feel threatened considering some of the stuff said & consider playing spot the chicken.
He basically brought constructive activity to a halt while he was here. That's not really a reason for banning, or I would have banned him on day 2. If he was being banned for being a retard, that would have been on day 1.
I don't take banning lightly. I also don't see that legalese has anything to do with it. A threat is a threat, no matter how it is couched.
I'm not 100% certain that I agree with the banning, but I am 100% certain that I don't really give a shit. Between our ship's internet being down and my real life taking up 98% of my time and attention right now, I'm perfectly happy with trusting the rest of the admin team. I haven't been able to scour the board for ever post some retard makes and if Dok (or any of the other admins) think they have a justification for banning someone I'm going to adopt the default position of agreeing until and unless I am presented with hard evidence of some egregious misuse of admin powers.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
He basically brought constructive activity to a halt while he was here. That's not really a reason for banning, or I would have banned him on day 2. If he was being banned for being a retard, that would have been on day 1.
I don't take banning lightly. I also don't see that legalese has anything to do with it. A threat is a threat, no matter how it is couched.
The way that dude was posting, I would also go on immediate "threat level nine point red" if he just up and asked me about any of my personal life shit, ESPECIALLY if it concerned whether or not I had kids.
Not that I'm opposed to people knowing about it, I just wouldn't want that psycho douche asking out of the blue like that.
ETA: It's implied threats, like Dok was saying.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 24, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
I immediately don't like it, not having seen the threats or insinuations, and being quite fond of how hard it is to get banned here without seriously attacking the place but I'm not going to dig through his posts to check it out, because I have too many to catch up on after ignoring him.
"I wasn't paying attention, so Dok is a Nazi."
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Lacking any other information, I'ma just believe you had good reason.
More like "I wasn't paying attention, but I trust that Dok is acting in the board's best interests."
Or that other thing you said if you want to fight about it, asshole. Pistols at dawn?
Threats-no matter how thinly veiled-have always been a no-no here. TGRHowl has been pretty consistent on this. He's not doing anything new or special whether the handle is AKK or Arkham or Chicken or Beef or Pork.
Discordian or not, I take a certain amount of comfort in the knowledge that I might get my ass handed to me, but if someone wants to get personal, they're gonna have to go through Rog. That's not mod-dick-sucking, that's just how I feel. It's been done to me before and it's fucking unpleasant when someone who lives in your town gets to threaten you with personal harm and the Admins and Mods threaten to ban YOU for making a stink about it because they don't want the liability...or when someone who lives within two hours of you goes on a hunting expedition via Google for your real name, co-workers, family and other personal info so they can initiate a smear campaign to jack up your life simply because you're smarter, prettier and they hate you.
Threats and kids are off the table. Period. It's just basic decency. We're not dumbshits on here, we don't lack the imaginative effort to hit above the belt. I may call myself "discordian" and adopt an "anything goes" philosophy about things but you don't see me in a Punky Brewster costume, writhing in a kiddie-pool full of vom and feces, either.
I began to notice a pattern when I called him a 'hack' in tiny letters (after the surrealist complements flood), and then he spat the word back at all of you in 3 different threads for a whole day. Then the welding thing, and (Pickle?) responding in sympathy. And how when I mentioned the "This book is a mirror" thing, he spat that back out at all of you in multiple threads. He literally _didn't post any original content_ (the Mason thread started that way.. read it, but I think that was the closes we saw to 'his voice' in actuality).
I think this was a sociololgical experiment in the Burroughs cut-up-style targeted against a few of the more 'active' posters here. Especially after he shut the hell up when I did the exact same thing to him visually with the Wordle cloud. I might be Lo5-ing this, but I'm probably not.
Weak fail was weak. If he wants back in, he can pick a different nick and personality for all I care.
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on July 25, 2011, 01:47:07 AM
I'm not 100% certain that I agree with the banning, but I am 100% certain that I don't really give a shit. Between our ship's internet being down and my real life taking up 98% of my time and attention right now, I'm perfectly happy with trusting the rest of the admin team. I haven't been able to scour the board for ever post some retard makes and if Dok (or any of the other admins) think they have a justification for banning someone I'm going to adopt the default position of agreeing until and unless I am presented with hard evidence of some egregious misuse of admin powers.
IAWTF
I would have freaked out if he'd PM's me "Kids?" and probably gone straight to Roger. That would have creeped me the FUCK out, in context of everything else.
And yeah, his shtick seemed to consist mostly of him repeating things other people said to him ad nauseum. He was, IMO, either a troll or a nutjob, or a combination of the two.
I've been getting rogers hate mail in my inbox from this tard.
Quote from: Faust on July 25, 2011, 09:13:11 AM
I've been getting rogers hate mail in my inbox from this tard.
Is it entertaining?
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 25, 2011, 09:18:43 AM
Quote from: Faust on July 25, 2011, 09:13:11 AM
I've been getting rogers hate mail in my inbox from this tard.
Is it entertaining?
Not really. Very bland to be honest.
Quote from: Jenkem and SPACE/TIME on July 25, 2011, 02:31:01 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2011, 01:25:44 AM
He basically brought constructive activity to a halt while he was here. That's not really a reason for banning, or I would have banned him on day 2. If he was being banned for being a retard, that would have been on day 1.
I don't take banning lightly. I also don't see that legalese has anything to do with it. A threat is a threat, no matter how it is couched.
The way that dude was posting, I would also go on immediate "threat level nine point red" if he just up and asked me about any of my personal life shit, ESPECIALLY if it concerned whether or not I had kids.
Not that I'm opposed to people knowing about it, I just wouldn't want that psycho douche asking out of the blue like that.
ETA: It's implied threats, like Dok was saying.
THIS.
Context.
There's been more bannings here lately than I have ever seen. it looks to me like that is because there are more truly shitty people that need to be banned than usual, not like mod powers are being abused, but I do wonder just why the level of troll we are attracting has changed from amusing, and or annoying to in need of banning.
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 25, 2011, 02:52:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 24, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
I immediately don't like it, not having seen the threats or insinuations, and being quite fond of how hard it is to get banned here without seriously attacking the place but I'm not going to dig through his posts to check it out, because I have too many to catch up on after ignoring him.
"I wasn't paying attention, so Dok is a Nazi."
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Lacking any other information, I'ma just believe you had good reason.
More like "I wasn't paying attention, but I trust that Dok is acting in the board's best interests."
Or that other thing you said if you want to fight about it, asshole. Pistols at dawn?
Apologies, I was raging at the time.
BH:
First, even when a troll has been amusing, that's only the case in hindsight. An active troll usually disrupts the normal creative output that goes on on this board, in a similar way that a powerful bout of drama does.
Second, I think your perceived increase in banning is probably because by now, most of the mods/admins have been here a long, long, time and we've seen pretty much all variations of troll, multiple times. They really do follow very predictable patterns in their interactions with our community.
Quote from: Faust on July 25, 2011, 09:13:11 AM
I've been getting rogers hate mail in my inbox from this tard.
What? Forward, please.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
Quote from: Faust on July 25, 2011, 09:13:11 AM
I've been getting rogers hate mail in my inbox from this tard.
What? Forward, please.
On the way, he used the mail contact from the front page.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on July 25, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
There's been more bannings here lately than I have ever seen. it looks to me like that is because there are more truly shitty people that need to be banned than usual, not like mod powers are being abused, but I do wonder just why the level of troll we are attracting has changed from amusing, and or annoying to in need of banning.
Unemployment is high. There are a lot of angry out-of-work white males with a chip on their shoulder and nothing but time to spend on the internet looking for a silverback to pick a fight with.
The threads that come up high in Google searches probably also influence who finds us.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 25, 2011, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 25, 2011, 02:52:14 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 24, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
I immediately don't like it, not having seen the threats or insinuations, and being quite fond of how hard it is to get banned here without seriously attacking the place but I'm not going to dig through his posts to check it out, because I have too many to catch up on after ignoring him.
"I wasn't paying attention, so Dok is a Nazi."
Quote from: Bert Huttz on July 24, 2011, 07:52:48 PM
Lacking any other information, I'ma just believe you had good reason.
More like "I wasn't paying attention, but I trust that Dok is acting in the board's best interests."
Or that other thing you said if you want to fight about it, asshole. Pistols at dawn?
Apologies, I was raging at the time.
S'okay.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on July 25, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
There's been more bannings here lately than I have ever seen. it looks to me like that is because there are more truly shitty people that need to be banned than usual, not like mod powers are being abused, but I do wonder just why the level of troll we are attracting has changed from amusing, and or annoying to in need of banning.
We've put our presence as a collective out there much more intensely and actively in recent months. It's bound to attract not only more trolls, but more trolls who aren't amusing and who aren't clever enough to hang around and play verbal ping-pon without having to resort to such juvenile tactics.
Quote from: Nigel on July 25, 2011, 04:45:15 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on July 25, 2011, 01:45:04 PM
There's been more bannings here lately than I have ever seen. it looks to me like that is because there are more truly shitty people that need to be banned than usual, not like mod powers are being abused, but I do wonder just why the level of troll we are attracting has changed from amusing, and or annoying to in need of banning.
Unemployment is high. There are a lot of angry out-of-work white males with a chip on their shoulder and nothing but time to spend on the internet looking for a silverback to pick a fight with.
The threads that come up high in Google searches probably also influence who finds us.
also this.
This guy is an obnoxious twat, but I definitely don't see anything banworthy here.
i didnt know this guy existed. lol.
I think we just need to get out more and be obnoxious twats. We're getting old and stagnant and want those goddamned kids off our lawn.
Fuck him, the guy was a complete idiot, douching up perfectly good threads with his bullshit. If he had the nerve to fuck with someone's irl family, then he deserves a lot more than being banned.
I find myself so not giving a shit--Rog doesn't arbitrarily bounce people, so, yeah.
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 06:58:44 AM
I think we just need to get out more and be obnoxious twats. We're getting old and stagnant and want those goddamned kids off our lawn.
Who isn't out being an obnoxious twat? Or do you mean we need more group activities?
Quote from: Nigel on July 26, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 06:58:44 AM
I think we just need to get out more and be obnoxious twats. We're getting old and stagnant and want those goddamned kids off our lawn.
Who isn't out being an obnoxious twat? Or do you mean we need more group activities?
Yes! Group activities. We need to ride the van and all get McDonald's for lunch (YOU PICK CHEEBURGER OR CHICKEN NUGGET ONLY ONE ONLY GET TO PICK ONE CHEEBUGER CHICKEN NUGGET) and then we go on a field trip to fsk up some shark. Or as Freeky would say: to "FUCKING SOME SHIT."
Then we load back up on the van (CAN I HAVE SILVENEER? CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I WANT A SILVENEER. MISSUS RACHET CAN I BUY A SILVENEER WITH MY OWN MONEY NOW? NIGEL'S IN MY SEAT MAKE NIGEL GET OUT OF MY SEAT CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER? I BUY IT WITH MY OWN MONEYYYY)
Then we lick the windows, play with our silveneers on the van and go back to the home.
It should be a nice day.
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Nigel on July 26, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 06:58:44 AM
I think we just need to get out more and be obnoxious twats. We're getting old and stagnant and want those goddamned kids off our lawn.
Who isn't out being an obnoxious twat? Or do you mean we need more group activities?
Yes! Group activities. We need to ride the van and all get McDonald's for lunch (YOU PICK CHEEBURGER OR CHICKEN NUGGET ONLY ONE ONLY GET TO PICK ONE CHEEBUGER CHICKEN NUGGET) and then we go on a field trip to fsk up some shark. Or as Freeky would say: to "FUCKING SOME SHIT."
Then we load back up on the van (CAN I HAVE SILVENEER? CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I WANT A SILVENEER. MISSUS RACHET CAN I BUY A SILVENEER WITH MY OWN MONEY NOW? NIGEL'S IN MY SEAT MAKE NIGEL GET OUT OF MY SEAT CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER? I BUY IT WITH MY OWN MONEYYYY)
Then we lick the windows, play with our silveneers on the van and go back to the home.
I'm so looking you up if I ever make it back down to where you are. You and Verthaine are on notice.
Navkat is the shit. So awesome.
Thank you, lady. :)
You're pretty rockin yrself.
YOU ARE ALL AWESOME.
I FUCKIN' LOVE YOU GUYS.
There, that's my yearly bliss-hippie moment. Don't get too accustomed to it.
I do mean it, though.
:lulz:
PLURRZZZZ
:)
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on July 27, 2011, 01:22:56 PM
YOU ARE ALL AWESOME.
I FUCKIN' LOVE YOU GUYS.
There, that's my yearly bliss-hippie moment. Don't get too accustomed to it.
I do mean it, though.
You're just covering your bases for couch space on your next cross country :wink:
:lulz:
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 09:51:14 PM
Quote from: Nigel on July 26, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: navkat on July 26, 2011, 06:58:44 AM
I think we just need to get out more and be obnoxious twats. We're getting old and stagnant and want those goddamned kids off our lawn.
Who isn't out being an obnoxious twat? Or do you mean we need more group activities?
Yes! Group activities. We need to ride the van and all get McDonald's for lunch (YOU PICK CHEEBURGER OR CHICKEN NUGGET ONLY ONE ONLY GET TO PICK ONE CHEEBUGER CHICKEN NUGGET) and then we go on a field trip to fsk up some shark. Or as Freeky would say: to "FUCKING SOME SHIT."
Then we load back up on the van (CAN I HAVE SILVENEER? CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I HAVE MY OWN MONEY I WANT A SILVENEER. MISSUS RACHET CAN I BUY A SILVENEER WITH MY OWN MONEY NOW? NIGEL'S IN MY SEAT MAKE NIGEL GET OUT OF MY SEAT CAN I HAVE A SILVENEER? I BUY IT WITH MY OWN MONEYYYY)
Then we lick the windows, play with our silveneers on the van and go back to the home.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: