Discordians have spent generations writing and chattering about the freedom of this disorganized irreligion. In a lot of our writings we talk about how you can make it about anything you want, there is no true Discordia there is only My Discordia and Your Discordia and they don't have to connect because we're all popes.
So in comes baby 2017, the year of "fake news", "alt-right", pepe & kek, the new flowing of Nationalism, extreme polarization. Out goes old man 2017, in comes baby 2018, the year of Trump, the cats and dogs, living together, mass hysteria.
There's a new Discordian out there now. Mmmm, maybe they're not 'new'; there have always been jackasses -- but today, if you scroll through a Facebook Discordian group, or search the depths of the chans for Discordian presence, you'll find this dark type of Discordian...
We're talking about the right wing trolls. We're talking about the unrepentant racists. We're talking about bad faith arguments that stick it to the libs. We're not really about improving the world we live in so much as pissing off the enemy, breaking the foundation of their house, and then pissing on it. We're celebrating pain and suffering as long as it's hitting people on the other team.
It's true, Trump rides chaos, a defiance of the previous order -- I can't deny that. And Discordia has always had some libertarianism in its DNA. (Robert Anton Wilson identified as a libertarian, but more as a european-style libertarian because he thought the Ayn Rand-style libertarians are not nearly cautious enough about corporate power). But I still find it so weird that these anti-authoritarian/libertarian type Discordians have gotten on board with authoritarian demagogues. I don't sense any joy or playfulness in this crowd, nor curiosity and creativity - their lulz are meme warfare. To talk to them is to war.
So they may be shitheads, fine.
Are they "Bad Discordians"?
Does "Bad Discordian" have any meaning? I know we owe nothing to Eris, being a 'bad discordian' is not like being a 'bad christian' where you're violating some shared communal values or a moral code written on a stone tablet. And it's not our style to pull out some book written a long time ago and point to a line and say "See? This book says you're doing it wrong."
does the new wave represent a change, or was this Discordia all along?
It falls on us, in 2018, to answer the question ---
Discordia can be anything you want it to be... Are there limits? Is there an edge?
"What you want" is probably tied up in egoistic shit and tribal warfare
As the increasingly old guard of Eris' treehouse, how should we relate to that? do we have any grounds to preach against it? (not that it would help, because most popes are all Send and very little Receive)
and to be clear, I'm not talking about political ideology.
I'm asking... Can Discordia be saved? Should it be saved?
There are bad Discordians, there are bad Christians... there are bad people in each and every religion, methinks. It's when the (vocal) majority under the label give the rest of us a bad name.
It is a quandary.
Especially in a permissive religion like Discordianism, it does allow for, and indeed sometimes encourages misbehavior. A wise Discordian has a better idea when it's appropriate to misbehave than does the initiate, or those who think Chaos is the opposite of Order, confusing it with Disorder (it seems to me that quite a few new "Discordians" miss the point of the philosophy entirely and just want an excuse to spew word salad and incite "chaos.")
At the end of the day, I think religions should enhance life in some way. Discordianism certainly has the potential to do this when it's not being co-opted by destructive / self-destructive asshats, many of whom have fascist agendas. The rest of us, whether we label ourselves Discordian publicly or whether we practice in private, must strive then to be creative / self-creative asshats, with inclination for harmonious-individualist agendas.
I'm not certain that is enough to "save" Discordianism, nor do I suspect it's the only way, or the best way. But it's a way.
YMMV KYFHD FNORD ETC.
Let's qualify the question. Jonathan Bost, from TDS - at least back in the day - had been going on about wanting Prince William's children to be raped because they were born wealthy.
This was, mind you, when one of them was 3 months old. And Bost was NOT joking.
Is Jonathan Bost a bad Discordian? I guess what I'm asking is, is it possible to be a bad Discordian? By definition, EVERYONE is a Discordian, even some real pricks, so IS everyone a pope, even if I don't like them? Trump and his voters are low-rent Nazis, and there's not much denying that, but on the other hand, they are causing all manner of chaos AND - and this is the part that keeps me interested - they are a collection of WALKING SNUBS that keeps me on my toes, ready for pretty much any chance at all to fuck them over.
Also, "what I want" is to watch everything burn merrily as it careens over the staircase.
You can't save Discordia. You can't kill Discordia. Discordia will exist as long as the species.
For reference:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,2080.0.html
I mean, it's not as if being a Discordian protects you from other Discordians.
Quote from: Ziegejunge on July 17, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
A wise Discordian has a better idea when it's appropriate to misbehave than does the initiate, or those who think Chaos is the opposite of Order, confusing it with Disorder (it seems to me that quite a few new "Discordians" miss the point of the philosophy entirely and just want an excuse to spew word salad and incite "chaos.")
I think that this is the crux of the question - do you limit Discordianism to the PD-version (and is PD Discordianism really that?) or are we all Discordians like Dok suggests..
I would posit with very little experience (having spend no time examining Facebook Discordianism) that the flavour you get over here is a more developed and introspective (?) version. It's hard to make value judgments on the whole thing though.
Quote from: Vanadium Gryllz on July 17, 2018, 04:56:22 PM
Quote from: Ziegejunge on July 17, 2018, 04:26:54 PM
A wise Discordian has a better idea when it's appropriate to misbehave than does the initiate, or those who think Chaos is the opposite of Order, confusing it with Disorder (it seems to me that quite a few new "Discordians" miss the point of the philosophy entirely and just want an excuse to spew word salad and incite "chaos.")
I think that this is the crux of the question - do you limit Discordianism to the PD-version (and is PD Discordianism really that?) or are we all Discordians like Dok suggests..
I would posit with very little experience (having spend no time examining Facebook Discordianism) that the flavour you get over here is a more developed and introspective (?) version. It's hard to make value judgments on the whole thing though.
Humans are one of the great apes, but try to get a random American to admit to it; they'll go into full primate mode and kill you.
Which is of course both an admission and a demonstration that they are in fact apes. Some apes realize that they are apes and try to mitigate their behavior. Some realize they are apes and use that as an EXCUSE (yo!), and the rest are still apes, whether or not they like it.
Same exact thing applies to Discordianism.
The kek pepe god emperor false religion was fun, at least at the start. It distilled anger and the illusion of counter establishment into Trump; the perfect symbol to promise fun: just enough Alzheimer's blended with Kim Kardashian, with ridiculous outlandish claims, and the best part was everyone hated him.
Chaos and its iconography has its seasons, it currently belongs to people who backed a shitty joke candidate into office who is trying to fulfill his promises to the people who wanted weak xenophobic anxiety to be policy.
Eris's favourites are likely chosen by butt dialing, and this time she gave favour to the nazi's.
The best way to take back the flame of chaos is to make it FUN again, to be the walking glitch, to be rediculous, because at the moment it belongs to a group who dance to the awful tune of that orange one man band
Nonsense As Salvation, then?
Is Pinealism the answer?
Quote from: LMNO on July 17, 2018, 08:44:37 PM
Nonsense As Salvation, then?
Is Pinealism the answer?
It has more power if it is funny, not the same old jokes retread, though nonesense applied in the correct doeses at the right time has its place.
I get you. It's tough to have have a genuine sense of humor, these days.
Other than Horrormirth, of course.
Think of the entire human race (and Discordians in particular because they are maybe a little more conscious of the fact) as embarking on a massive, century-long piece of performance art wherein we illustrate all the extremes of our nature and the way those extremes enforce a kind of futility of attempting to build any permanent structures either physically or culturally. The fact that more than half of the artists involved do not know they are artists or that they are doing art only adds to the power of the ultimate work.
Discordianism violently abhors being named or labeled, and I don't think it does any good to classify some people as "good" or "bad" Discordians. What does that accomplish -- even if you manage it -- other than giving us one more group to be in that others aren't, and one more cause whose purity must be maintained?
I've been thinking a lot lately about labels and categories of people and the way everyone seems to be scrambling to put names on everything, even more than usual. "Millennials" and "hipsters" and "proto-Fascists" and "alt-Right" are all words that mean different things to different people. We have no shortage of words to use for ourselves and each other, but the flexibility of definitions allow us to hilariously misunderstand and talk past each other. The gut reaction is to establish a semantic universe where, when I say "I am a Discordian", that people understand I am one of the "good" Discordians. But... why, tho? My being "a Discordian" isn't important enough to me or my own self-definition to bother with drawing wavy lines in the sand.
Quote from: LMNO on July 17, 2018, 08:44:37 PM
Nonsense As Salvation, then?
Is Pinealism the answer?
No. Being a walking glitch is the answer.
Make the system work too well.
Quote from: LMNO on July 17, 2018, 08:52:42 PM
I get you. It's tough to have have a genuine sense of humor, these days.
Other than Horrormirth, of course.
What else do you NEED?
I used to be a "confusion is a healthy state of mind" discordian, but now I'm more of a, "only truth survives chaos" discordian.
I think the meme kids who have embraced Discordianism have their own lessons to figure out. This site is there for them if and when they grow up a bit and decide to stop being edgelords. Eris doesn't care about them and I think it'd be unwise to assume she cares about me either. Discordianism in all it's variants will likely go on, thankfully.
To the OP question - I don't have the hubris to think I'm going to, or able to "save" Discordianism. The situation reminds me of all those old surf rats who knew that putting an iron cross on your board was sure to piss off the squares (yes, I'm old). Many of them didn't know about Nazis or fascism, they just wanted to honk "the man's" nose. Surfing as a culture has morphed and evolved but also persisted. I suspect the same will happen with Discordianism.
That being said, I think there's something valuable and important to the concept of horrormirth as a coping mechanism in dark times. Has Trump sold us out to the Russians and we're witnessing the rebirth of state funded, internal fascism in the US? Sure. But that doesn't mean we can't laugh at the fucker and poke fun at his hypocrites.
Yeah, I really don't have any interest in saving anything. It's not my place to tell people they can't have what they voted for. Or how to run their FB page.
Doesn't mean I want to hang out with Trump voters and TDS edgelords, though.
As something of a side issue from the OP, I wanted to enunciate some of the reasons I keep coming back here, to this den of discordia. First, there are some great discussions in the archives. Educational and erudite, fun and vindictive and gleefully savage at times. There's a lot to be gleaned from there. Second, I very much liked the rants in Or Kill Me and the content of the BIPs and now Holy Nonsense. I think this should be required reading for adulthood.
But the real reason I keep coming back is that there are a lot of examples of clear thinking in the face of "whataboutism" and other nonsense. I've been confronted with a ton of crap arguments in my time and I've been the kind of guy that just lets things lie. But sometimes, I get this sick feeling that a conversation online or at work just wasn't right. And at the time I usually hold my tongue and don't call out the BS. Honestly, I don't usually see it clearly as BS until later - sometimes hours or even days later. So, I'm frequently impressed by people's ability to quickly jump back with an on target counterpoint. This doesn't seem to have much to do with discordianism, but everything to do with arguing clearly and knowing yourself and your values. That's a huge advantage to the old guard PD over the meme kids.
The mention of "Horrormirth" in this discussion reminded me of the following:
One thing however do I know,--from thyself did I learn it once, O Zarathustra: he who wanteth to kill most thoroughly, LAUGHETH.
'Not by wrath but by laughter doth one kill'--thus spakest thou once, O Zarathustra, thou hidden one, thou destroyer without wrath, thou dangerous saint,--thou art a rogue!"
(The above is from Nietzche's Thus Spake Zarathustra - A book for All and None, Chapter LXXVIII Sect. 1.)
Re: New Wave— "The tape runs out..."
Discordianism can be made to fit with any particular ideology, given the ingenuity of the person trying to get them to fit together, and the insincerity with which they are willing to approach their own politics.
That said...if you think a goddess of chaos would approve of a hierarchical, ethnically homogenised and sexually retrograde state, it's possible you were never the smartest person to begin with.
I also think anyone with more than a passing knowledge of the Principia Discordia, or who has spent any time on Discordian websites other than those on Facebook, is likely aware these morons are not especially representative.
"Discordianism" isn't a thing. It's a label. Labels, like most words, are subject to semantic drift. The thing underlying the label was there before the label, and will still be there when "Discordian" refers to a rare breed of South American goat. Who were the famous Discordians in history? They certainly didn't call themselves Discordian, but they'd recognize the ideas, if they encountered them today.
If you don't like what the label "Discordianism" has become associated with, then make a new label, define it as the thing you want Discordianism to be, and call yourself that. "Hodgepodgianism", or whatever.
If your label is catchy, it'll get co-opted too.
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/66492379/thats-a-great-idea-its-mine-now.jpg)
:lulz:
Discordianism is nonstop shitposting.
You know it to be true.
They are Bad, Discordians. In that they are Bad People and they are also Discordians. Alignment charts are grids, not lines.
Hark, beware for there be rantings ahead.
I made this account to reply to this post. To do so, I had to wait two days before my account was even accepted.
It's obvious this community, PrincipiaDiscordia.com doesn't see many outsiders with differing opinions, because it's such a hassle to even get through.
Talking with others online, this website is often seen as a safe space for left-wing leaning Discordians.
I don't know anything more chaotic than disturbing the disorder within Discordianism with more order, as it keeps the Sacred Chao balanced, if anything, there's too little order.
It gives a different perspective to things, as Discordianism is a religion with a lot of followers and documentation, yet to this day nobody knows what to make of it, which perfectly defines it.
The issue I have with this forum in particular is that it's misleading.
The Discordian Society/The Eristocracy is so designed that any individual may begin their own sect/cabal and do as they please within that sect. This forum, instead has chosen to name itself after the entirety of the Principia, which makes one believe that the entirety of Discordianism is nothing but a bunch of angry old hippies yelling about bashing the fash.
It's a problem in that it turns many people who don't follow those beliefs away from Discordianism.
Just because you don't expect serious people to fit as well with Discordianism, such an opinion is one you shouldn't share.
Discordianism is designed to be decentralized, It's a religion and not a political ideology.
Personally, I'm a very serious person and take Discordianism very seriously, just because it seems so fiction-like.
Anyone may have any reason to like Hailing Eris, speaking ill of others because you claim them to have a bad influence on your religion is selfish.
Anyone who has read the Principia may choose to regard or disregard any other self-proclaimed Discordian works if they so please. Even POEE is merely one manifestation of the Discordian Society, anyone may rewrite a version of it at will, but when you do, choose a different name. Everybody should know their views to be purely subjective, and not apply them to the entirety of Discordianism, for it itself holds no inherent meaning but the various sects, cabals and undergroups that inhabit it.
If I so choose I may disregard any word Adam Gorightly has ever said about Discordianism, because frankly I believe Malaclypse to have had further secret intentions that were not shared by his peers.
Discordianism is both a religion and an irreligion, existing in a paradoxical position of being both serious and a joke at the same time. It is the Camus definition of the Acceptance of the Absurd, while retaining its likeness of Religion.
Define yourself as you wish, but don't claim to speak for everybody.
Hail Eris
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
Hark, beware for there be rantings ahead.
I made this account to reply to this post. To do so, I had to wait two days before my account was even accepted.
It's obvious this community, PrincipiaDiscordia.com doesn't see many outsiders with differing opinions, because it's such a hassle to even get through.
We're not very service oriented. Go fuck yourself.
Also, Adam Gorightly (saw his name while skimming) is a fucked up bigot, and everyone hates him.
Would you rather lock others out than invite them to discussion?
That doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Would you rather lock others out than invite them to discussion?
That doesn't make much sense.
Life is tough, wear a hat.
This is the part where we are supposed to make excuses to every random twat that feels the need to "sealion", as I am told it is now called.
Nobody gives a fuck if you are impressed, if you take offense at the name of a subforum on a largely extinct BBS, or any of that shit. Save your bullshit for facebook. Nobody cares.
Was that a little overboard? Was I a bit rough on the nasty little bugger?
Probably. It's just that we've had one bozo after another in here for 17 years telling us that we're doing it wrong and they're here to CLEANSE TEH TEMPLE and it's so GODDAMN BORING THAT I COULD SHIT MY PANTS.
Well, that was disappointing.
...
Well that was weak
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 22, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Well, that was disappointing.
Did I miss something? A deleted post? I was going to play with this guy a bit (I even had a nickname picked out), but if he's already flounced, I won't bother.
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Would you rather lock others out than invite them to discussion?
That doesn't make much sense.
Literally everyone was offline yesterday, I'm sorry the attention deficit society has trained you to expect instant gratification and immediate response to your registration.
As to us not being a good representation of discordianism I would agree, most of us have have never even been to an accordion disco and as for our "Cabal" turning people off discordia, we are doing them a favor.
As to chaos and left leaning sanctuary: For one brief moment in 2016 the right learned how to be funny, and chaos smiled on them. They immediately lost that and its been the same tired shit ever since.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 22, 2019, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 22, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Well, that was disappointing.
Did I miss something? A deleted post? I was going to play with this guy a bit (I even had a nickname picked out), but if he's already flounced, I won't bother.
No, it's just that they have no
stamina, anymore.
If you're gonna tell me I'm doing it wrong, I expect a little more kicking & screaming.
Quote from: Faust on February 22, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Would you rather lock others out than invite them to discussion?
That doesn't make much sense.
Literally everyone was offline yesterday, I'm sorry the attention deficit society has trained you to expect instant gratification and immediate response to your registration.
As to us not being a good representation of discordianism I would agree, most of us have have never even been to an accordion disco and as for our "Cabal" turning people off discordia, we are doing them a favor.
As to chaos and left leaning sanctuary: For one brief moment in 2016 the right learned how to be funny, and chaos smiled on them. They immediately lost that and its been the same tired shit ever since.
I am unsure why Noble expected us to worry about his disapproval.
Quote from: Faust on February 22, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:18:04 PM
Would you rather lock others out than invite them to discussion?
That doesn't make much sense.
Literally everyone was offline yesterday, I'm sorry the attention deficit society has trained you to expect instant gratification and immediate response to your registration.
As to us not being a good representation of discordianism I would agree, most of us have have never even been to an accordion disco and as for our "Cabal" turning people off discordia, we are doing them a favor.
As to chaos and left leaning sanctuary: For one brief moment in 2016 the right learned how to be funny, and chaos smiled on them. They immediately lost that and its been the same tired shit ever since.
I bet a two page hate letter that if he can be arsed to respond, he will mushmouth some shit about how we're going to have border control.
Ahahaha, petty as fuck
You knowbwhen you have a real good hate shit fount but ten sounding bandits on the forts and it gets all tangled in the paper?
Low effort, 2/10
yeah well sometimes i want pizza and don't get to eat it either
Quote from: Snowflake on February 23, 2019, 02:41:45 AM
yeah well sometimes i want pizza and don't get to eat it either
Hi, Snowflake! Welcome to the forum! I'm sorry to hear about your pizza problem. I hope things will look up for you soon.
I'm new here, too. Maybe we can learn about Discordianism together!
nty
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
The issue I have with this forum in particular is that it's misleading.
The Discordian Society/The Eristocracy is so designed that any individual may begin their own sect/cabal and do as they please within that sect. This forum, instead has chosen to name itself after the entirety of the Principia, which makes one believe that the entirety of Discordianism is nothing but a bunch of angry old hippies yelling about bashing the fash.
Let me know if you find a Discordian gathering space which represents "the entirety of Discordianism". Do the facebook groups with names like "The Discordian Society" seem like a fair representation, to you?
I'm disappointed we don't meet your expectations about how Discordians should behave. Tell you what, paint us a picture, and I'll cheerfully flog myself into shape.
also
& I'm disturbed by your cat's penis
and offer condolences
It would be a hoot if people spontaneously behaved in a way that created a perfect little advertisement for Discordia, but we got laid off back in like... 2012.
QuoteIt's a problem in that it turns many people who don't follow those beliefs away from Discordianism.
Eris don't give a flying babyshit if my gnostic experience can be digested by others
it was a personal gift
QuoteJust because you don't expect serious people to fit as well with Discordianism, such an opinion is one you shouldn't share.
Discordianism is designed to be decentralized, It's a religion and not a political ideology.
No--Discordianism is a bike
Bobby Wilson warned us to be on guard against the thought police born of our own thoughts
he didn't equate freedom with indifference
Quote
Define yourself as you wish, but don't claim to speak for everybody.
who claimed to speak for everybody? most of the longterm users of this forum have torn each other to kibble ten times over.
:rbtg:
:wank:
QuoteLet me know if you find a Discordian gathering space which represents "the entirety of Discordianism". Do the facebook groups with names like "The Discordian Society" seem like a fair representation, to you?
if you have this question then i don't think you understood. The point is that the principia itself can be interpreted in many ways and that said interpretations should be channeled into subgroups, aka sects/cabals, this website didn't do that and instead co-opted it to serve their own views, now you realize there's people with other views and a thread like this gets created where you start to worry about people not following your specific branch of discordianism.
Never used facebook, wouldn't know.
QuoteEris don't give a flying babyshit if my gnostic experience can be digested by others
Eris doesn't give a flying fuck about you in general, but that's just what my pineal gland told me.
Quotewho claimed to speak for everybody?
I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
if you have this question then i don't think you understood. The point is that the principia itself can be interpreted in many ways and that said interpretations should be channeled into subgroups, aka sects/cabals, this website didn't do that and instead co-opted it to serve their own views, now you realize there's people with other views and a thread like this gets created where you start to worry about people not following your specific branch of discordianism.
And here you are, telling us that we're doing it wrong.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I fucking hate irony.
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
Okay, I get it. This is like wossname that decided HE wanted the domain name on account of he deserved it more.
Jesus, it's been a long time since this has happened.
also, I put in hyperdiscordia.church and my antivirus software shat on the floor while making whooping noises.
This is why I hire Australians to do my antivirus thingies.
There's a certain hilarity in someone getting so wound up over a site none of us actually named.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 23, 2019, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
Okay, I get it. This is like wossname that decided HE wanted the domain name on account of he deserved it more.
Okay, Dok, now I'm finally interested.
Tell me more about this particular chapter in Discordian History.
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2019, 03:57:44 AM
There's a certain hilarity in someone getting so wound up over a site none of us actually named.
:lol:
Quote from: Brother Mythos on February 23, 2019, 03:59:33 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 23, 2019, 03:49:11 AM
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
Okay, I get it. This is like wossname that decided HE wanted the domain name on account of he deserved it more.
Okay, Dok, now I'm finally interested.
Tell me more about this particular chapter in Discordian History.
We have had, at least twice, random lunatics come on board and demand the domain name because Eris told them they deserved it more, and besides, we're doin' it wrong. If I remember correctly, one of them made principiadiscordia.org. Or stole it from someone else.
This may make three.
Cain, do you remember who the one dude was that outright demanded the domain name?
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
The point is that the principia itself can be interpreted in many ways and that said interpretations should be channeled into subgroups, aka sects/cabals, this website didn't do that and instead co-opted it to serve their own views, now you realize there's people with other views and a thread like this gets created where you start to worry about people not following your specific branch of discordianism.
What views, *specifically*, do you think this website espouses, and what contrary views, *specifically* do you think deserve more exposure? Concrete examples only. If this is just some abstract, hypothetical objection to this site being less crowd-editable than a wiki, well....go create a wiki or something. principiadiscordia.net isn't registered. Knock yourself out.
At the moment, it feels like you're just yelling "Help, I'm being repressed", but you're not being clear on who's repressing you, how they're repressing you, or what they're repressing you for. Frankly, I think you're either a naif, or a B-level troll.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 23, 2019, 04:03:36 AM
Cain, do you remember who the one dude was that outright demanded the domain name?
I'm not sure, I'd have to go archive diving. I'm thinking it was 2008-9 though?
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 23, 2019, 04:17:32 AM
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
The point is that the principia itself can be interpreted in many ways and that said interpretations should be channeled into subgroups, aka sects/cabals, this website didn't do that and instead co-opted it to serve their own views, now you realize there's people with other views and a thread like this gets created where you start to worry about people not following your specific branch of discordianism.
What views, *specifically*, do you think this website espouses, and what contrary views, *specifically* do you think deserve more exposure? Concrete examples only. If this is just some abstract, hypothetical objection to this site being less crowd-editable than a wiki, well....go create a wiki or something. principiadiscordia.net isn't registered. Knock yourself out.
At the moment, it feels like you're just yelling "Help, I'm being repressed", but you're not being clear on who's repressing you, how they're repressing you, or what they're repressing you for. Frankly, I think you're either a naif, or a B-level troll.
After 2005, fighting the power here has been a never-ending line of tragically hip wasters.
Quote from: Cain on February 23, 2019, 04:22:49 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 23, 2019, 04:03:36 AM
Cain, do you remember who the one dude was that outright demanded the domain name?
I'm not sure, I'd have to go archive diving. I'm thinking it was 2008-9 though?
Not worth the effort, really, it was just fun remember that happened.
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I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
There is nothing to learn about discordia in the book, why would you expect to come away from somewhere naned after discordia with answers?
And as Cain said, the domain name is incidental, no one here was involved in naming the place
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 23, 2019, 04:17:32 AM
What views, *specifically*, do you think this website espouses, and what contrary views, *specifically* do you think deserve more exposure? Concrete examples only. If this is just some abstract, hypothetical objection to this site being less crowd-editable than a wiki, well....go create a wiki or something. principiadiscordia.net isn't registered. Knock yourself out.
At the moment, it feels like you're just yelling "Help, I'm being repressed", but you're not being clear on who's repressing you, how they're repressing you, or what they're repressing you for. Frankly, I think you're either a naif, or a B-level troll.
It's pretty clear that most users on PrincipiaDiscordia.com have a rather left-leaning/anarchistic/libertarian view of the world, which embodies the whole forums.
Now, when anybody tried to lookup on what Discordianism is just because they happened to hear of it, one of the first websites they would stumble upon is this one.
The reading list of this websites includes not only the Principia, but also various others such as Black Iron Prison, being named right under the Principia, as if being just as important. I don't think I have to clarify that the BIP has some small aforementioned political views mixed in it, unlike the Principia it's a lot harder to interpret the BIP in any other way than it was written.
Any stranger stumbling upon this website would immediately think it to be a pastime project by some edgelords to poke fun at religion and "the system".
You know how the catholic church doesn't call itself the catholic church, but rather "the church"? It's because to them their interpretation of Christianity is objective, whilst to others it's subjective. I believe the same to be the case here in Discordianism, where a bunch of old popes can't handle their bible being interpreted in different ways, having written scriptures that define that unspecific parts of the original works.
This website only covers a branch of Discordianism, which irks me. Any Discordian repulsed by the BIP would be quick to leave Discordianism as a whole in the dust, which is rather sad if you ask me.
I want more different kind of Discordians, more people who interpret the words of Malaclypse and Ravenhurst in their own way rather than having to listen to a sermon about "how it really works".
It's most than definitely not about the domain, it's about what you choose to put on that domain, you could've simply said "Look, this is the principia and here is what WE think of it" instead it seems like someone opted to make it more like "Look, this is the principia and this is what it means".
I'm not here to say how one should interpret the Principia, or what views I'd rather see being dominant, it's about knowing that you are the majority and that there's people out there that are being pushed away because you'd rather not defile your perfect view of what Discordianism should be about. It's about being more open to other's interpretations.
We Discordians must stick Apart, as they say.
Guy's got a really good point, people might want to do some additional reading on the subject to form their own opinions. We should put a link on the main page to the rest of the internet.
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 03:34:43 AM
QuoteLet me know if you find a Discordian gathering space which represents "the entirety of Discordianism". Do the facebook groups with names like "The Discordian Society" seem like a fair representation, to you?
if you have this question then i don't think you understood. The point is that the principia itself can be interpreted in many ways and that said interpretations should be channeled into subgroups, aka sects/cabals, this website didn't do that and instead co-opted it to serve their own views, now you realize there's people with other views and a thread like this gets created where you start to worry about people not following your specific branch of discordianism.
Never used facebook, wouldn't know.
That sounds like a great idea for a website you should start.
It's also possible that you are misreading us as a unified sect -- we are in cabals and Episkoposes and have radically different interpretations of and relationships with the Chao.
That's how it happened here - I was a Discordian already, I discovered the forums, I hung out here. We argued for years, now the fight is (mostly) out of our systems. We also met up in person, formed cabals, wrote literature, had schisms. There used to be 3 or 4 discordian forums back, when forums were a thing. Now they're not and we're all that's left.
You react as if every chip on the table was placed there by a designer, but that's just where they fell. All of us doing our own Discordian thing resulted in this mess and HAIL ERIS for that.
But I think you might have missed what I was asking in the OP.... more on that in a sec
QuoteQuotewho claimed to speak for everybody?
I'd say naming your website after the book and forcing your interpretation on said book into said website is pretty fuckin defining of speaking for said book therefore misleading everybody. A small website with a rational explanation such as the likes of hyperdiscordia.church would be more defining.
Again, who is 'forcing an interpretation of the book into a website'? Look, you can read the
Principia. And you can react to it, and talk about your reaction here on the forum. You have that freedom too, if you think something is missing here. (And you might have a better time with that if you actually express something instead of just telling everybody their Episkipos is bad PR or whatever.)
Eventually, someone will come along and tell you that you should be reacting differently, that a really real discordian should come off like XYZ. (for example, there's been a whole wave of people who told us our writings are doing a disservice to discordianism because they aren't written in the same humor-collage form as the
Principia). You are the pope and can get the juice straight from Eris yourself.
That's an important point - Discordianism is not about Mal or Omar or RAW's writing. That's "Orthodox Discordianism", which is also a 100% fine version of it, if that's what you're into. Me, I only take a few parts from the Orthodox texts.
One of the energies in the Principia which nourishes me is the use of humor in service to love and understanding. This vibe is a little more clear in the sattelite writings of the OG Discordians, like
Zenarchy,
Zen Without Zen Masters, and a lot of the RAW lit -- Discordianism
can be harsh and sharp, but that sharpness is a tool meant to shock someone awake, like the fly whisk in a rinzai zen monastery. It's not essentially malicious or predatory.
And in the current world config, there are a lot of Discordians out there who are on the hate trip, the all-destructive-trip, they are edgelord assholes who have found a Belief System that says "you can do anything you want" and stopped thinking right there. They are bitter people who delight in causing pain to others.
To give a concrete example - in an unrelated discussion that got out of hand, a Discordian I knew went out of his way to "trigger" a trans friend of mine and really upset her. He fired off a bunch of boilerplate transphobic trash talk specifically to piss her off. When I confronted him about how I thought that was a dick move, he said that he was trying to save her from identity politics or something. But his words were not a fly whisk, they were a knife. He was HIGH off the dopamine hit from having pushed someone's buttons until they got TRIGGERED!!! Expanding understanding did not play into it. Chasing this high was a major component of how he interfaced with people
1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtn2o71CPEM&t=1m17s).
And he's not alone. A lot of people are using the Discordian toolbox maliciously, selfishly.. they're out there, spewing racist shit, hurting people, high off the dopamine hit that you get from wielding power over someone.
So the OP's question is - is that something that Discordians should care about? Is it worth it to produce Discordian writings that help provide a breadcrumb trail away from being an edgelord dickhead? I mean, Discordianism belongs to us flesh and blood humans, it does not belong to the Three Dead Wiseguys who produced the texts we all fell in love with years ago.
As Popes, should we watch passively as the needle moves deeper and deeper into the hate trip? What if the Sacred Chao becomes a different kind of swastika, are you still cool with that, or is it worth resisting? When I see someone out there on the hate trip, should I get involved and try to inject a little compassion, or do I just back away and let racists have their playground all to themselves where they will grow and multiply?
And re-read the responses to the OP -- I don't think anybody in the thread says "Yes we need to correct everybody and get them to hold hands, we know what's right and wish to impose it on everybody".
QuoteI'm not here to say how one should interpret the Principia, or what views I'd rather see being dominant, it's about knowing that you are the majority and that there's people out there that are being pushed away because you'd rather not defile your perfect view of what Discordianism should be about. It's about being more open to other's interpretations.
We Discordians must stick Apart, as they say.
There are like 15 active users of this site, it's a stretch to call us the Majority. It's just easy to find our front door.
For what it's worth, if you hunt down any of the other discordian facebook groups / forums / IRC channels out there, you will also find stuff that repels you. I spent years trying to find other Discordian gathering points -- most of them are repellant as fuck.
And for what it's worth, if "being open to others interpretations" means being friendly with assholes and racists who are accelerating the harm and shit out there in the world... I'll pass.
Quote from: Snowflake on February 23, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
It's pretty clear that most users on PrincipiaDiscordia.com have a rather left-leaning/anarchistic/libertarian view of the world, which embodies the whole forums.
Wrong. Here's a thread (https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,21354.0.html) that craps all over libertarianism, the Parable of the Gong (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/bip/8.php) strikes me as containing a pretty strong warning about the dangers of anarchism, and "left-leaning libertarian" is a contradiction in terms.
But you haven't mentioned any *specific* views, just some general political categories, which are not rigorously defined. Examples of specific political views would be being pro-taxation, anti-regulation, pro-abortion, anti-death-penality, and so on.
And further, you haven't even hinted at any views that you think deserve more exposure. Why not? Are you scared we might debate them with you, Snowflake? Present me with your sacred cows, and I will give you a link to my Ginger Beef recipe.
After this, you go on for a bit, but you're mostly just repeating your earlier posts, without answering my questions.
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It's most than definitely not about the domain, it's about what you choose to put on that domain,
You're putting stuff on the forum
right now. If you don't like what is being said about Discordia, then
present your own viewpoint. If I think your ideas are intelligent and original, I'll go to bat for you. If I think they're idiotic or derivative, I'll flame you, or ignore you.
What are you trying to accomplish here? You want the site to reflect other aspects of Discordia, but you're not going to say what those other aspects are?
P.S. I'm not sure why you're so worried about this site scaring people off. I'm not a
real Discordian, but if I was, proselytization would be one of the Five Deadly Sins.
Discordians aren't even real tho
btw -- thank you, Noble, for the energy
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 23, 2019, 04:17:32 AM
What views, *specifically*, do you think this website espouses, and what contrary views, *specifically* do you think deserve more exposure? Concrete examples only. If this is just some abstract, hypothetical objection to this site being less crowd-editable than a wiki, well....go create a wiki or something. principiadiscordia.net isn't registered. Knock yourself out.
At the moment, it feels like you're just yelling "Help, I'm being repressed", but you're not being clear on who's repressing you, how they're repressing you, or what they're repressing you for. Frankly, I think you're either a naif, or a B-level troll.
It's pretty clear that most users on PrincipiaDiscordia.com have a rather left-leaning/anarchistic/libertarian view of the world, which embodies the whole forums.
Now, when anybody tried to lookup on what Discordianism is just because they happened to hear of it, one of the first websites they would stumble upon is this one.
The reading list of this websites includes not only the Principia, but also various others such as Black Iron Prison, being named right under the Principia, as if being just as important. I don't think I have to clarify that the BIP has some small aforementioned political views mixed in it, unlike the Principia it's a lot harder to interpret the BIP in any other way than it was written.
Any stranger stumbling upon this website would immediately think it to be a pastime project by some edgelords to poke fun at religion and "the system".
You know how the catholic church doesn't call itself the catholic church, but rather "the church"? It's because to them their interpretation of Christianity is objective, whilst to others it's subjective. I believe the same to be the case here in Discordianism, where a bunch of old popes can't handle their bible being interpreted in different ways, having written scriptures that define that unspecific parts of the original works.
This website only covers a branch of Discordianism, which irks me. Any Discordian repulsed by the BIP would be quick to leave Discordianism as a whole in the dust, which is rather sad if you ask me.
I want more different kind of Discordians, more people who interpret the words of Malaclypse and Ravenhurst in their own way rather than having to listen to a sermon about "how it really works".
It's most than definitely not about the domain, it's about what you choose to put on that domain, you could've simply said "Look, this is the principia and here is what WE think of it" instead it seems like someone opted to make it more like "Look, this is the principia and this is what it means".
I'm not here to say how one should interpret the Principia, or what views I'd rather see being dominant, it's about knowing that you are the majority and that there's people out there that are being pushed away because you'd rather not defile your perfect view of what Discordianism should be about. It's about being more open to other's interpretations.
We Discordians must stick Apart, as they say.
What you are gazing into is fifteen years if not more of stratified history, there have been many people here from contradictory backgrounds.
Take reverend whats his name for instance, passionate about prohibition legislation of drugs, he used to have this fun game where he would drag the forum into multi year wars, he was a stand up guy in that regards, however he also had an unforgivable fetish for puns and had to be led into the labyrinth and fed to the Minotaur.
Quote from: Noble on February 23, 2019, 11:42:21 AM
It's pretty clear that most users on PrincipiaDiscordia.com have a rather left-leaning/anarchistic/libertarian view of the world, which embodies the whole forums.
Holy crap, you're an idiot. :lulz:
I feel dumber for having read that drivel.
I should be compensated.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 23, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
I feel dumber for having read that drivel.
I should be compensated.
Would you like BitCoin or Exposure?
The thing is, after you "think for your self" and decide to come up with your own private cult to gather personal power and gratification by doing whatever the hell you do WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CALL IT DISCORDIANISM?!?!1!
At this point that's just shitty marketing.
Quote from: Con-troll on February 24, 2019, 10:11:43 AM
The thing is, after you "think for your self" and decide to come up with your own private cult to gather personal power and gratification by doing whatever the hell you do WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CALL IT DISCORDIANISM?!?!1!
At this point that's just shitty marketing.
Welcome to the entire Goddamn universe, dude. Wake the fuck up and smell the sodium pentathol.
So this is the entire Goddamn universe after all? Are you certain you aren't hiding anything else from me?
There's a part of me that's ready to just do some shity marketing for a living. Why fight the course of the universe?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
There's a part of me that's ready to just do some shity marketing for a living. Why fight the course of the universe?
Always remember that you are fortunate if you can say this. If I don't fight the course of the universe, it will kill me.
Quote from: nullified on February 24, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
There's a part of me that's ready to just do some shity marketing for a living. Why fight the course of the universe?
Always remember that you are fortunate if you can say this. If I don't fight the course of the universe, it will kill me.
I'd like to point out that it will kill you either way.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2019, 11:19:19 PM
Quote from: nullified on February 24, 2019, 11:12:09 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 24, 2019, 11:02:25 PM
There's a part of me that's ready to just do some shity marketing for a living. Why fight the course of the universe?
Always remember that you are fortunate if you can say this. If I don't fight the course of the universe, it will kill me.
I'd like to point out that it will kill you either way.
It's a difference in how painful, demeaning and drawn out.
I'd like to point out that we have a ration system for misery and you will all wait your turn.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
I'd like to point out that we have a ration system for misery and you will all wait your turn.
If I cut in line, do I go to the back or the front?
Quote from: nullified on February 25, 2019, 01:18:24 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 25, 2019, 12:51:05 AM
I'd like to point out that we have a ration system for misery and you will all wait your turn.
If I cut in line, do I go to the back or the front?
Yes
From the CTC (http://www.lulu.com/shop/omar-khayyam-ravenhurst/the-chao-te-ching/paperback/product-18759432.html):
Quote from: The Chao te Ching, Chapter 41Some hear about Discordia, and plot against the Machine™.
Some hear about Discordia, and think about it at great length.
Some hear about Discordia, and decide it means they should get high and doodle.
If it weren't for those spags, Discordia wouldn't be as interesting as it is.
Order appears calming and sensible.
Disorder appears unsettling and unstable.
Doubt appears ignorant.
Certainty appears true.
Aggression appears confident.
Mirth appears uncaring.
Horror appears powerless.
All these are lies.
Uncertainty reveals itself as a narrow footbridge,
but with its heart in Chaos, the path is clear.
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
Hark, beware for there be rantings ahead.
I made this account to reply to this post. To do so, I had to wait two days before my account was even accepted.
It's obvious this community, PrincipiaDiscordia.com doesn't see many outsiders with differing opinions, because it's such a hassle to even get through.
Talking with others online, this website is often seen as a safe space for left-wing leaning Discordians.
I don't know anything more chaotic than disturbing the disorder within Discordianism with more order, as it keeps the Sacred Chao balanced, if anything, there's too little order.
It gives a different perspective to things, as Discordianism is a religion with a lot of followers and documentation, yet to this day nobody knows what to make of it, which perfectly defines it.
The issue I have with this forum in particular is that it's misleading.
The Discordian Society/The Eristocracy is so designed that any individual may begin their own sect/cabal and do as they please within that sect. This forum, instead has chosen to name itself after the entirety of the Principia, which makes one believe that the entirety of Discordianism is nothing but a bunch of angry old hippies yelling about bashing the fash.
It's a problem in that it turns many people who don't follow those beliefs away from Discordianism.
Just because you don't expect serious people to fit as well with Discordianism, such an opinion is one you shouldn't share.
Discordianism is designed to be decentralized, It's a religion and not a political ideology.
Personally, I'm a very serious person and take Discordianism very seriously, just because it seems so fiction-like.
Anyone may have any reason to like Hailing Eris, speaking ill of others because you claim them to have a bad influence on your religion is selfish.
Anyone who has read the Principia may choose to regard or disregard any other self-proclaimed Discordian works if they so please. Even POEE is merely one manifestation of the Discordian Society, anyone may rewrite a version of it at will, but when you do, choose a different name. Everybody should know their views to be purely subjective, and not apply them to the entirety of Discordianism, for it itself holds no inherent meaning but the various sects, cabals and undergroups that inhabit it.
If I so choose I may disregard any word Adam Gorightly has ever said about Discordianism, because frankly I believe Malaclypse to have had further secret intentions that were not shared by his peers.
Discordianism is both a religion and an irreligion, existing in a paradoxical position of being both serious and a joke at the same time. It is the Camus definition of the Acceptance of the Absurd, while retaining its likeness of Religion.
Define yourself as you wish, but don't claim to speak for everybody.
Hail Eris
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 25, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 22, 2019, 10:08:20 PM
Hark, beware for there be rantings ahead.
I made this account to reply to this post. To do so, I had to wait two days before my account was even accepted.
It's obvious this community, PrincipiaDiscordia.com doesn't see many outsiders with differing opinions, because it's such a hassle to even get through.
Talking with others online, this website is often seen as a safe space for left-wing leaning Discordians.
I don't know anything more chaotic than disturbing the disorder within Discordianism with more order, as it keeps the Sacred Chao balanced, if anything, there's too little order.
It gives a different perspective to things, as Discordianism is a religion with a lot of followers and documentation, yet to this day nobody knows what to make of it, which perfectly defines it.
The issue I have with this forum in particular is that it's misleading.
The Discordian Society/The Eristocracy is so designed that any individual may begin their own sect/cabal and do as they please within that sect. This forum, instead has chosen to name itself after the entirety of the Principia, which makes one believe that the entirety of Discordianism is nothing but a bunch of angry old hippies yelling about bashing the fash.
It's a problem in that it turns many people who don't follow those beliefs away from Discordianism.
Just because you don't expect serious people to fit as well with Discordianism, such an opinion is one you shouldn't share.
Discordianism is designed to be decentralized, It's a religion and not a political ideology.
Personally, I'm a very serious person and take Discordianism very seriously, just because it seems so fiction-like.
Anyone may have any reason to like Hailing Eris, speaking ill of others because you claim them to have a bad influence on your religion is selfish.
Anyone who has read the Principia may choose to regard or disregard any other self-proclaimed Discordian works if they so please. Even POEE is merely one manifestation of the Discordian Society, anyone may rewrite a version of it at will, but when you do, choose a different name. Everybody should know their views to be purely subjective, and not apply them to the entirety of Discordianism, for it itself holds no inherent meaning but the various sects, cabals and undergroups that inhabit it.
If I so choose I may disregard any word Adam Gorightly has ever said about Discordianism, because frankly I believe Malaclypse to have had further secret intentions that were not shared by his peers.
Discordianism is both a religion and an irreligion, existing in a paradoxical position of being both serious and a joke at the same time. It is the Camus definition of the Acceptance of the Absurd, while retaining its likeness of Religion.
Define yourself as you wish, but don't claim to speak for everybody.
Hail Eris
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
Me fuckin' too.
Cram I get the point of the OP. I've tried to wrap my Noggin around a way to 'save' discordia and I've concluded that it is not possible to save nor is saving it necessary. Cultural and spiritual appropriation is how the Nazis work. They will sell you literally any line of crap so long as you buy into it and obey. There lies the trap for fascism laid in discordia. How do you gain obedience out of a worldview that encourages disobedience and independent thought? You don't. They may attempt to make the sacred chao into a new swastika, but it is inherently a liberating symbol.
They can get away with turning a Thor's hammer into some kind of white nationalist secret code, or Co-opt Christian ideologies, or find purely rationalist scams to put on the atheists, but discordianism is a different form of Enlightenment entirely. I believe that any actual discordians involved in the alt right will quickly grow bored and begin to cause trouble. As for those pretending to be discordian they will quickly grow bored of the goofy symbolism and jokes they don't understand and eventually give up discordianism so they can go be obedient little cabbages.
The problem will resolve itself. If action needs to be taken then let it be a promotion of actual discordianism or at least the more valuable lessons to be found under the discordian roof. Perhaps it is best to focus on showing the good things that can be had and increasing public awareness while using the alt-right discordians as a stepping stone and Exemplar of what not to do with one's enlightenment.
In conclusion I believe the discordia will prevail whether or not a bunch of asshats like us take action or not. Personally I think it would be best to get ready for yet another major paradigm shift, one where discordianism steadily gains public attention and comes out of the Shadows somewhat. Eris will have her day on stage and that day is coming soon. There will be discordians on both sides of the fence. People who are already latently discordian will realize that they are. The cabbages will do what cabbages do And ignore what they don't understand.
It might be a few years before this comes to pass, but come to pass it will. Perhaps it would be best to focus on 'corrupting' the youth, perhaps a discordian children's book for example or something focused on the middle to high school age. Something easy to distribute that focuses on the intelligence, light-heartedness, freedom, and fun that attracted me to discordianism all those years ago.
Discordia is Not Dead Yet!
Fascist discordianism would be basically pinealism. You just take the aesthetics and essence and wipe off all the parts that lead to people behaving unpredictably.
Imagine going to this giant fetishised hot dog stand every friday just to wait in line for hours as the local certified pope preaches about how this ritual is to remind you what crap all the other religions are.
Quote from: Frontside Back on February 26, 2019, 12:33:32 AM
Fascist discordianism would be basically pinealism. You just take the aesthetics and essence and wipe off all the parts that lead to people behaving unpredictably.
Imagine going to this giant fetishised hot dog stand every friday just to wait in line for hours as the local certified pope preaches about how this ritual is to remind you what crap all the other religions are.
Very much this.
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 25, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
This is a site that deliberately torments fascists, and then throws them the fuck out into the street.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 12:49:08 AM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 25, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
This is a site that deliberately torments fascists, and then throws them the fuck out into the street.
Doing the Lord's work! Amen
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 25, 2019, 08:50:09 PM
...but discordianism is a different form of Enlightenment entirely.
What? Discordianism leads to
Enlightenment? I must be doing it wrong.
Quote from: Cramulus on February 23, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Eventually, someone will come along and tell you that you should be reacting differently, that a really real discordian should come off like XYZ. (for example, there's been a whole wave of people who told us our writings are doing a disservice to discordianism because they aren't written in the same humor-collage form as the Principia). You are the pope and can get the juice straight from Eris yourself.
That's an important point - Discordianism is not about Mal or Omar or RAW's writing. That's "Orthodox Discordianism", which is also a 100% fine version of it, if that's what you're into. Me, I only take a few parts from the Orthodox texts.
I could call myself an orthodox Discordian all I want, but you don't hear orthodox christians saying they're orthodox christians, they're THE christians. In that same trend, every Discordian is a full Discordian, whether you want it or not. You don't own it.
Quote from: Cramulus on February 23, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
And he's not alone. A lot of people are using the Discordian toolbox maliciously, selfishly.. they're out there, spewing racist shit, hurting people, high off the dopamine hit that you get from wielding power over someone.
So the OP's question is - is that something that Discordians should care about? Is it worth it to produce Discordian writings that help provide a breadcrumb trail away from being an edgelord dickhead? I mean, Discordianism belongs to us flesh and blood humans, it does not belong to the Three Dead Wiseguys who produced the texts we all fell in love with years ago.
As Popes, should we watch passively as the needle moves deeper and deeper into the hate trip? What if the Sacred Chao becomes a different kind of swastika, are you still cool with that, or is it worth resisting? When I see someone out there on the hate trip, should I get involved and try to inject a little compassion, or do I just back away and let racists have their playground all to themselves where they will grow and multiply?
And re-read the responses to the OP -- I don't think anybody in the thread says "Yes we need to correct everybody and get them to hold hands, we know what's right and wish to impose it on everybody".
And for what it's worth, if "being open to others interpretations" means being friendly with assholes and racists who are accelerating the harm and shit out there in the world... I'll pass.
This is unfortunate, as it's a futile attempt. Any and all Discordians will call themselves Discordians no matter what any Discordian may say about it. Any text in the Principia may be interpreted as they wish, I've come to understand that there's even Discordians here that completely disregard the Principia.
I think it all plays out beautifully, as Discordianism has since the 2000s been more disorderly than orderly, thus bringing the Sacred Chao out of balance, and since it automatically rebalances itself, that means that order must be applied. I call it bringing disorder to disorder by applying order, which is just fine.
I care as little about authoritarianism as I do about anarchism, but together they form a beautiful scenery that rivals that of modern societies.
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 25, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
I suppose if you wish this site to remain a safe haven from certain trains of thought, that's up to you, but it's not like those trains of thought will stop existing because of it. It's my guess that like within the Sacred Chao, Disorder and Order will remain segregated and the state of the Sacred Chao will represent Discordianism as a whole.
I don't think Fascism and Discordianism mix rather well though the same goes for Anarchism, everyone knows true Discordians prefer to be Eristocratic after all.
Quote from: Noble on February 26, 2019, 04:18:30 AM
I suppose if you wish this site to remain a safe haven from certain trains of thought, that's up to you, but it's not like those trains of thought will stop existing because of it. It's my guess that like within the Sacred Chao, Disorder and Order will remain segregated and the state of the Sacred Chao will represent Discordianism as a whole.
I don't think Fascism and Discordianism mix rather well though the same goes for Anarchism, everyone knows true Discordians prefer to be Eristocratic after all.
So you are or are not a fascist?
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 26, 2019, 01:47:16 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on February 25, 2019, 08:50:09 PM
...but discordianism is a different form of Enlightenment entirely.
What? Discordianism leads to Enlightenment? I must be doing it wrong.
Or you've already done it right and just don't realize it yet. Pro tip: On the day you do realize that you will hear a Gong sound.
My money's on 'proto-fascist it hasn't gotten it's dick wet yet'.
Moneys on "You libruls were mean to me so now I have to be a fashist"
As they advocates for open doors and hugs and idyllic dinner party for fascists there's a decent chance we could at least make them think they are fascist.
As I have said many a time: intact fascist is wasted fun.
I spend my free time devising fun new ways to ruin fascist facial features, and while this has lead to homelessness and financial ruin, I live secure in the knowledge I am doing God's work.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:29:08 AM
So you are or are not a fascist?
Either that, or one of those "all opinions are equally valid" types.
Quote from: Noble on February 26, 2019, 04:18:30 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 23, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Eventually, someone will come along and tell you that you should be reacting differently, that a really real discordian should come off like XYZ. (for example, there's been a whole wave of people who told us our writings are doing a disservice to discordianism because they aren't written in the same humor-collage form as the Principia). You are the pope and can get the juice straight from Eris yourself.
That's an important point - Discordianism is not about Mal or Omar or RAW's writing. That's "Orthodox Discordianism", which is also a 100% fine version of it, if that's what you're into. Me, I only take a few parts from the Orthodox texts.
I could call myself an orthodox Discordian all I want, but you don't hear orthodox christians saying they're orthodox christians, they're THE christians. In that same trend, every Discordian is a full Discordian, whether you want it or not. You don't own it.
strawman - nobody here claims to own discordianism
the question is "how should we react to people who use Discordia to be complete shitheads?"
you literally made an account to preach against Discordians you don't like,
so don't tell me that having a negative reaction to someone else's Discordia is tabboo or somehow missing the point
Nobel, what is the Descordianism you want to see here that we dont seem to reflect? Take a stab at describing it.
Quote from: Cramulus on February 26, 2019, 01:03:50 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 26, 2019, 04:18:30 AM
Quote from: Cramulus on February 23, 2019, 02:32:27 PM
Eventually, someone will come along and tell you that you should be reacting differently, that a really real discordian should come off like XYZ. (for example, there's been a whole wave of people who told us our writings are doing a disservice to discordianism because they aren't written in the same humor-collage form as the Principia). You are the pope and can get the juice straight from Eris yourself.
That's an important point - Discordianism is not about Mal or Omar or RAW's writing. That's "Orthodox Discordianism", which is also a 100% fine version of it, if that's what you're into. Me, I only take a few parts from the Orthodox texts.
I could call myself an orthodox Discordian all I want, but you don't hear orthodox christians saying they're orthodox christians, they're THE christians. In that same trend, every Discordian is a full Discordian, whether you want it or not. You don't own it.
strawman - nobody here claims to own discordianism
the question is "how should we react to people who use Discordia to be complete shitheads?"
you literally made an account to preach against Discordians you don't like,
so don't tell me that having a negative reaction to someone else's Discordia is tabboo or somehow missing the point
This guy is a sealion. He's wasting your time. Go back and read his responses consecutively. He's not actually making any statements or asking any questions, he is concern trolling.
Quote from: Faust on February 26, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Nobel, what is the Descordianism you want to see here that we dont seem to reflect? Take a stab at describing it.
He will not. He will reply with more mush-mouthing and vague generalizations.
OKAY THE JIG IS UP, WHO IS IT?!
Quote from: Frontside Back on February 26, 2019, 12:33:32 AM
Imagine going to this giant fetishised hot dog stand every friday just to wait in line for hours as the local certified pope preaches about how this ritual is to remind you what crap all the other religions are.
Newsfeed.
Also,
Quote from: Noble on February 26, 2019, 04:18:30 AM
I suppose if you wish this site to remain a safe haven from certain trains of thought, that's up to you, but it's not like those trains of thought will stop existing because of it.
I also tend not to eat raw chicken, even though I know that won't stop salmonella from existing.
The PD archives are filled with megabytes of debate/discussion/argument between different trains of thought... and as it turns out, the right-wing/fascistic POV never brings up new angles or reasoning. We've dealt with it, we can move on.
As an analogy*, do we REALLY need to sit down and discuss why racism is bad with every knuckle-dragging shithead with a copy of
The Bell Curve shoved down their pants? Or can we smell them from 100 yards (56.975 Hectoliters in metric) away and just cut to the part where we tell them to fuck off?
*Yeah, sure. "Analogy".
Quote from: LMNO on February 26, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
As an analogy*, do we REALLY need to sit down and discuss why racism is bad with every knuckle-dragging shithead with a copy of The Bell Curve shoved down their pants? Or can we smell them from 100 yards (56.975 Hectoliters in metric) away and just cut to the part where we tell them to fuck off?
See my above posts.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 26, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
As an analogy*, do we REALLY need to sit down and discuss why racism is bad with every knuckle-dragging shithead with a copy of The Bell Curve shoved down their pants? Or can we smell them from 100 yards (56.975 Hectoliters in metric) away and just cut to the part where we tell them to fuck off?
See my above posts.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3nW8CdFXPlQbqrqE/giphy.gif)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Faust on February 26, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Nobel, what is the Descordianism you want to see here that we dont seem to reflect? Take a stab at describing it.
He will not. He will reply with more mush-mouthing and vague generalizations.
I know, But I felt the need to plant the flaming torches to guide the way, if he doesn't want to even attempt to share his worldview then his troll is weak sauce.
Quote from: Faust on February 26, 2019, 04:49:25 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Faust on February 26, 2019, 02:34:40 PM
Nobel, what is the Descordianism you want to see here that we dont seem to reflect? Take a stab at describing it.
He will not. He will reply with more mush-mouthing and vague generalizations.
I know, But I felt the need to plant the flaming torches to guide the way, if he doesn't want to even attempt to share his worldview then his troll is weak sauce.
The proper sealion never does that. You poke at your victim's ideology without ever offering yours up for an explanation. When someone finally gets mad at you, you say "Well, so much for civilized debate" or similar nonsense.
My money says the fuckstick is a "Dark Cathedral" weenie or perhaps a Proudboy loser, or he would have already stated his worldview. Since he hasn't stated his worldview yet, he will not *ever* state his worldview. He will likely state that he will, but then will instead post more of the same weak-sister passive aggressive bullshit.
Quote from: LMNO on February 26, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:36:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 26, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
As an analogy*, do we REALLY need to sit down and discuss why racism is bad with every knuckle-dragging shithead with a copy of The Bell Curve shoved down their pants? Or can we smell them from 100 yards (56.975 Hectoliters in metric) away and just cut to the part where we tell them to fuck off?
See my above posts.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3nW8CdFXPlQbqrqE/giphy.gif)
This needs to be an emote.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 12:49:08 AM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 25, 2019, 08:10:41 PM
If this site discourages discordians who favor fascism, I am personally comfortable with that.
This is a site that deliberately torments fascists, and then throws them the fuck out into the street.
Even better.
lately, i've been floating the idea that this board is really just one person and a bunch of alts
Quote from: rong on February 26, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
lately, i've been floating the idea that this board is really just one person and a bunch of alts
Look. if I want to pretend my penis is a separate person and use it post on the board, then who are you to kinkshame me?
Quote from: rong on February 26, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
lately, i've been floating the idea that this board is really just one person and a bunch of alts
HE FIGURED IT OUT!
:magick:
We are all Aini.
Quote from: LMNO on February 26, 2019, 05:27:42 PM
Quote from: rong on February 26, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
lately, i've been floating the idea that this board is really just one person and a bunch of alts
HE FIGURED IT OUT!
:magick:
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwkojqTtO0)
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
Cool, stale pepe memes. Remember what I said about the right catching lightning in a bottle and for one fleeting moment being funny, this is recycled shit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:53:06 PM
Since he hasn't stated his worldview yet, he will not *ever* state his worldview. He will likely state that he will, but then will instead post more of the same weak-sister passive aggressive bullshit.
Quote from: Snowflake on February 27, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
The above two quotations are mutually consistent.
Quote from: rong on February 27, 2019, 12:13:42 AM
click here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lwkojqTtO0)
This is a worldview I can respect.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:53:06 PM
Since he hasn't stated his worldview yet, he will not *ever* state his worldview. He will likely state that he will, but then will instead post more of the same weak-sister passive aggressive bullshit.
Quote from: Snowflake on February 27, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
The above two quotations are mutually consistent.
Yup. Not going to waste my time on this asshole.
S E E T H I N G.
Sorry that I don't care much for any specific ideology right now, I just want more people to come up with original shit rather than follow the same herd of ideological thought.
"PuNcH NaZeEs" seems pretty fuckin common here though.
edit; i'll respond seriously when i feel like it, in too good a mood right now
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
Sorry that I don't care much for any specific ideology right now, I just want more people to come up with original shit rather than follow the same herd of ideological thought.
"PuNcH NaZeEs" seems pretty fuckin common here though.
Weird flex, but ok.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 12:17:12 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 26, 2019, 04:53:06 PM
Since he hasn't stated his worldview yet, he will not *ever* state his worldview. He will likely state that he will, but then will instead post more of the same weak-sister passive aggressive bullshit.
Quote from: Snowflake on February 27, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
this is my ideology:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk)
The above two quotations are mutually consistent.
I told you so.
There is a 169% chance that this guy is some form of Nazi asshole.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:39:42 AM
edit; i'll respond seriously when i feel like it, in too good a mood right now
But nobody will take you seriously, you fucked up monkey bag. :lulz:
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Betting pool, or is he too boring?
Edit: for time until, not for if he does or not of course. Because he will.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
What about Jordan Peterson?
I've got a $5 donation to server costs for "Mencius Moldbug did nothing wrong."
Ten thousand quatloos that he continues to stand in the middle of the road without saying anything substantive.
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
What about Jordan Peterson?
even moreso.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
Ten thousand quatloos that he continues to stand in the middle of the road without saying anything substantive.
I can tell you my life story if you're that fuckin interested, my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
You should be happy that Discordianism is getting more attention, instead you're being angsty about it like "oh no someone found out the only thing that makes me original and they're not following my specific variation of it". It's just fucking sad.
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
After so many years of hippie-thought, it'd be a refreshing view of Discordianism no matter how you look at it.
That's to say, I'm not promoting the thought of authoritarianism, I think the perfect state of being for the Discordian Society is Balanced Chaos, where there's as much disorderly movements as there are Orderly movements, all autonomously decentralized in undergroups according to the POEE Disorganizational Matrix.
I'd be a fan of it if every ideology could get along through segregation, where the only form of unity is through the Discordian Society.
I'd pledge for an Eristocratic Movement anyday.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
Ok, I'll play. I'd like to hear more about your vision... would you mind starting a conversation in "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" so we can discuss? I'll approach it non-judgementally. I can't promise anyone else will, though.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
You should be happy that Discordianism is getting more attention, instead you're being angsty about it like "oh no someone found out the only thing that makes me original and they're not following my specific variation of it". It's just fucking sad.
:lulz: nice strawman, again. I'm struggling to find a place in the thread where
anybody said 'yes, racists and
stick it to the libs trolls are bad discordians' or that there is a One True Way. You're just projecting what you want to argue about onto us.
but it's moot 'cause you don't actually believe that shit you're writing anyway
:troll:
:lulz: :lulz:
Where can I collect my quatloos?
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
What about Jordan Peterson?
even moreso.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
Ten thousand quatloos that he continues to stand in the middle of the road without saying anything substantive.
I can tell you my life story if you're that fuckin interested, my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
You should be happy that Discordianism is getting more attention, instead you're being angsty about it like "oh no someone found out the only thing that makes me original and they're not following my specific variation of it". It's just fucking sad.
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
After so many years of hippie-thought, it'd be a refreshing view of Discordianism no matter how you look at it.
That's to say, I'm not promoting the thought of authoritarianism, I think the perfect state of being for the Discordian Society is Balanced Chaos, where there's as much disorderly movements as there are Orderly movements, all autonomously decentralized in undergroups according to the POEE Disorganizational Matrix.
I'd be a fan of it if every ideology could get along through segregation, where the only form of unity is through the Discordian Society.
I'd pledge for an Eristocratic Movement anyday.
People are free to practice discordianism as they see fit. And I am free to make fun of them if I disapprove. That's how it works.
This just in. Racists, Nazis, and trolls are the same class of checks notes foreigners, and therefore being mean to them is checks notes xenophobia.
In other news. Words have no meaning.
Quote from: Don Coyote on February 27, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
This just in. Racists, Nazis, and trolls are the same class of checks notes foreigners, and therefore being mean to them is checks notes xenophobia.
In other news. Words have no meaning.
in other news, you are extremely biased.
Quote from: LMNO on February 27, 2019, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
Ok, I'll play. I'd like to hear more about your vision... would you mind starting a conversation in "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" so we can discuss? I'll approach it non-judgementally. I can't promise anyone else will, though.
Thanks for being interested, I suppose I'll post there when I have a little more time.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 06:23:56 PM
Quote from: Don Coyote on February 27, 2019, 05:23:37 PM
This just in. Racists, Nazis, and trolls are the same class of checks notes foreigners, and therefore being mean to them is checks notes xenophobia.
In other news. Words have no meaning.
in other news, you are extremely biased.
Speaking as a nationalist, care to demonstrate that with some examples from somewhere?
Noble-chan, could please define xenobia and xenophobic for the class?
Quote from: Don Coyote on February 27, 2019, 07:06:29 PM
Noble-chan, could please define xenobia and xenophobic for the class?
Xenophobia in this context; fear for that which is foreign to you.
Noble, it should be noted (in case you were feeling put upon) that asking for baseline terms and definitions of words you use in your posts should not be considered "dogpiling" or "abuse".
I would hope that as a Discordian you would understand that certain words have subjective value, and the only reasonable way to discuss them is to come to a common definition that we can all agree with.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
What about Jordan Peterson?
even moreso.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
Ten thousand quatloos that he continues to stand in the middle of the road without saying anything substantive.
I can tell you my life story if you're that fuckin interested, my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
You should be happy that Discordianism is getting more attention, instead you're being angsty about it like "oh no someone found out the only thing that makes me original and they're not following my specific variation of it". It's just fucking sad.
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
After so many years of hippie-thought, it'd be a refreshing view of Discordianism no matter how you look at it.
That's to say, I'm not promoting the thought of authoritarianism, I think the perfect state of being for the Discordian Society is Balanced Chaos, where there's as much disorderly movements as there are Orderly movements, all autonomously decentralized in undergroups according to the POEE Disorganizational Matrix.
I'd be a fan of it if every ideology could get along through segregation, where the only form of unity is through the Discordian Society.
I'd pledge for an Eristocratic Movement anyday.
Yeah, there's way too many people here who like the hippie thought version of Discordianism.
Yup.
That's definitely a problem.
Definitely no-one here who openly embraced a vision of Discordianism which saw Eris as a war goddess or anything.
Clearly, the research was thorough.
Quote from: LMNO on February 27, 2019, 07:48:43 PM
Clearly, the research was thorough.
(https://i.imgur.com/3zgG0Rz.png)
Well, he sure is telling us what.
Intentional or not, I am very interested in one of his viewpoints. I hope to learn more about it.
Oh?
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Oh?
https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38416.msg1425242.html#msg1425242
The best things that can come from this thread now:
Thrashed fash.
Newsfeed.
That's it. That's everything.
Quote from: rong on February 26, 2019, 05:25:34 PM
lately, i've been floating the idea that this board is really just one person and a bunch of alts
I'm a sockpuppet of Rong, personally.
Quote from: LMNO on February 27, 2019, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Oh?
https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38416.msg1425242.html#msg1425242
I don't think you should expect a readonable answer.
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
I can tell you my life story if you're that fuckin interested, my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
I have considered your proposal, and filed it according to its merit.
Quote from: LMNO on February 27, 2019, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
Ok, I'll play. I'd like to hear more about your vision... would you mind starting a conversation in "Think For Yourself, Schmuck" so we can discuss? I'll approach it non-judgementally. I can't promise anyone else will, though.
I will. I totally will.
Quote from: Cain on February 27, 2019, 07:41:30 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 04:35:53 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 01:43:53 PM
Quote from: Noble on February 27, 2019, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on February 27, 2019, 03:12:29 AM
I am just waiting for him to jabber something about Richard Spencer, is all.
Why the fuck would I do that though? He's an idiot.
What about Jordan Peterson?
even moreso.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on February 27, 2019, 02:21:35 PM
Ten thousand quatloos that he continues to stand in the middle of the road without saying anything substantive.
I can tell you my life story if you're that fuckin interested, my main point of coming here is to tell you fuckers to stop being a buncha xenophobic shits.
You should be happy that Discordianism is getting more attention, instead you're being angsty about it like "oh no someone found out the only thing that makes me original and they're not following my specific variation of it". It's just fucking sad.
My personal vision for the world is that it reflects what is shown in the Sacred Chao. I think the Law of Eristic Escalation is going to attract more right-wingers and "Serious religious believers" no matter what you do about it.
After so many years of hippie-thought, it'd be a refreshing view of Discordianism no matter how you look at it.
That's to say, I'm not promoting the thought of authoritarianism, I think the perfect state of being for the Discordian Society is Balanced Chaos, where there's as much disorderly movements as there are Orderly movements, all autonomously decentralized in undergroups according to the POEE Disorganizational Matrix.
I'd be a fan of it if every ideology could get along through segregation, where the only form of unity is through the Discordian Society.
I'd pledge for an Eristocratic Movement anyday.
Yeah, there's way too many people here who like the hippie thought version of Discordianism.
Yup.
That's definitely a problem.
Definitely no-one here who openly embraced a vision of Discordianism which saw Eris as a war goddess or anything.
This just keeps getting funnier.
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 10:27:16 PM
Quote from: LMNO on February 27, 2019, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on February 27, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Oh?
https://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,38416.msg1425242.html#msg1425242
I don't think you should expect a readonable answer.
Well, that's up to them, I suppose.
I just read the entirety of this thread and its really unfortunate that it got derailed by sealioning :horrormirth:
But like, the act of naming things, people or groups can be done in two different manners:
1) Self-naming: which is completely subjective and can be completely foreign to reality... i could identify as the Princess of Norway and nobody could talk me out of my psychotic delirium.
2) Naming by others: can be completely subjective too and also foreign to reality (like some people calling me a terrorist dog in the 2000's because they thought i was arabian LOL) - but it usually entails describing based on some objective quality despite how flawed or innacurate it really is... to the person that called me "terrorist dog" in their ignorant perspective, i had certain arabesque features despite of the reality of not being at all.
So given this introduction, anyone can call themselves Discordian despite of the accuracy of the description, and nobody can stop them from doing it because theres no regulatory body to prevent it. But the "naming of others" if were trying to be accurate, should describe some of the real characteristics of what we perceive.
So like, me personally? Id call these people you refer to as "4chan discordians" or "MAGA discordians"... As simple as that, add the adjective before the tag discordian - the adjective would be realistically descriptive, while the "discordian" tag is purely subjective identification.
And finally one would have to ask themselves - Save discordia from what? and what does saving mean?
Does it mean running a PR campaing telling the world that Discordia should not be associated with racism and totalitarianism???? :lulz:
As an addendum, id like to say that in some cases, self proclaimed "discordians" i would more accurately describe them either as psychotic or degenerate trolls, but thats my personal right of interpretation/description and id never demand they stop calling themselves discordian.
The accuracy of a description also depends on perspective and there is many many perscetives from which an average discordian would totally seem like a "psychotic or degenerate troll". Luckily from inside the cult we can see that isn't a case.