Yeah. Im not doing anything particularily ''unique'' (there is a entire genre of music called harsh noise that is dedicated to sounding like this),However i would like to think that my music embraces the idea that chaos can be just as valuable as structure, if not more.
www.myspace.com/frenzieddestruction
check out the pics section, it has some from my first live show, complete with some guy in a mexican wrestler mask and a umbrella.
Also, does anyone else here make chaos/discordian/anti-music flavored stuff? we should release a net compilation or something.Yeah.hope this doesnt count as spam or advertising or whatever, this seems like a awesome place to post.
I was in a music group called "the Dave Rogers-Berry Horror Choir" in which the whole 20 person choral arrangement consisted entirely of horror-movie style screaming, with tribal drums in the background. It was an attempt to make a full tonal range at the maximum volume possible. Totally kicked ass.
I'd check out your music, but judging from how you describe it, it wouldn't agree with the people in adjacent cubicles. will check it out later.
I'll have to check this out later as well.
One of my projects, The Illegitimate Son of Convention is my forray into "Bad Wrong Music". Maybe not in the exact same mode as yours, but probably similar spirit.
www.myspace.com/theillegitimatesonofconvention
and
rwhn.multiply.com
Some structure here, I moved past the noise thing a while back. Still, the guitar adds plenty of chaos:
myspace.com/emptiesmusic
In recent news: harsh noise still pisses me off.
My limits for noise end at Throbbing Gristle, and anything more grating than that just makes me annoyed.
And while I'd like to do more weird, out there music, my stuff tends to be rather normal.
i've heard "noise" live a few times (Nic Endo, among others), i'm usually too busy worrying about my ears to try and find out if i can enjoy the music.
I own every Einsturzende Neubauten disc available.
I'm not too into the noise scene and honestly I don't really know too much about it. But I know some of my favorite performances and songs from groups like Nirvana, Sonic Youth, were when they delved into the feedback drenched numbers. I was watching 1991: The Year Punk Broke last night and I love the live version of Expressway to Yr. Skull by Sonic Youth. I don't know why but to me the feedback interplay between Ronaldo and Moore's guitars is very appealing to me. It makes it hard to listen to their studio stuff because it's so much more restrained.
You dont need to worry about damaging your ears, just listen at a reasonable volume,as frequencys cant damage hearing, but volume can. Id worry more about live shows, if hearing loss is something that scares you.(also, id suggest getting a pair of ''musicians earplugs'' you can still hear anything, but you get to not go deaf at insanely loud concerts.)...I dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off'',but hey,some people dont like tomatos, some do. oh, and illegitimate son of convention is pretty neat.
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 06:41:04 PMI dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off''
reminds me of--
my Senior year at college, they got Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth) to headline the school's big spring festival. People were really excited until he played continuous guitar feedback for 45 minutes.
I'm wondering what they were expecting, anyway, 45 minutes of "Kool Thing"?
they probobly figured his solo stuff would sound more like sonic youth,Instead of lovely feedback.
This is one of the things thats great about noise---total freedom. Wanna record yourself making one continuous unchanging tone of feedback for two hours, have the uncontrollable urge to mic ripping paper and run it through guitair pedals? just insane? start a noise project!
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 26, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 06:41:04 PMI dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off''
reminds me of--
my Senior year at college, they got Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth) to headline the school's big spring festival. People were really excited until he played continuous guitar feedback for 45 minutes.
So in otherwords, an extended version of "Elegy for All Dead Rock Stars" sounds like a killer show to me.
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 07:54:38 PM
they probobly figured his solo stuff would sound more like sonic youth,Instead of lovely feedback.
This is one of the things thats great about noise---total freedom. Wanna record yourself making one continuous unchanging tone of feedback for two hours, have the uncontrollable urge to mic ripping paper and run it through guitair pedals? just insane? start a noise project!
I like this guy. I have to admit I've always wanted to do a show where I just basically play an E5 chord for about 30 minutes, just to see who's left standing at the end.
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 06:41:04 PM
You dont need to worry about damaging your ears, just listen at a reasonable volume,as frequencys cant damage hearing, but volume can. Id worry more about live shows, if hearing loss is something that scares you.(also, id suggest getting a pair of ''musicians earplugs'' you can still hear anything, but you get to not go deaf at insanely loud concerts.)...I dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off'',but hey,some people dont like tomatos, some do. oh, and illegitimate son of convention is pretty neat.
i was talking about live stuff, yeah.
on my HD i have a few "noise" albums (or what i would call "noise"):
- Winterkaelte - Drum'n Noise, but that's really structured and interesting to listen to
- HIV+, which i find kinda boring and is also a bit EBM/Goth/Industrial/Angsty kinda of that direction
- Merzbow - Frog, since Merzbow is a classic in the noise genre, i have it, but hm, "interesting" to hear once :)
- Bad Sector, which is more ambient noise, and i like ambient.
from your description, i would guess Merzbow is most close to what you make? i'm currently listening to his track "Hikigaeru Ga Kuru", which sounds kind of like some sort of demon with vocal cords that consist of an espresso machine combined with a circle saw trying to cut rocks, kind of thing. also not very structured either :)
You should! also, if you want to see some crazy live noise shows, you should search on youtube for haters+noise..Theyve done things like lighten stages on fire,contact micing a table while they sanded it, and ripping apart hundreds of books and throwing the pages everywhere.Its pretty awesome stuff.
Oh, and triple zero---Yeah, merzbow would be the closest of those,Although I did a 16 minute wall noise recently(No changes, what you hear when the song begins is what it sounds like when it ends.Had a good title,though: "lets make out and vomit in each others eyes")
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 08:14:18 PM
You should! also, if you want to see some crazy live noise shows, you should search on youtube for haters+noise..Theyve done things like lighten stages on fire,contact micing a table while they sanded it, and ripping apart hundreds of books and throwing the pages everywhere.Its pretty awesome stuff.
Oh, and triple zero---Yeah, merzbow would be the closest of those,Although I did a 16 minute wall noise recently(No changes, what you hear when the song begins is what it sounds like when it ends.Had a good title,though: "lets make out and vomit in each others eyes")
I'ma gonna check that out. The closest thing I came to that was with my improv band. One performance we sacrificed an old beat-up cello. (in other words we smached it to bits) and on another it consisted of vacuum cleaners, telephones and rubber chickens. Ah, good times.
I really should find recordings of my old band The Zyphoid Process. A metallic feedback generator, two walki-talkies (more feedback), and a detuned guitar with a bigmuff pedal.
Both of those sound freaking awesome.Links.Now.
I'll see if I can find the tapes.
We only recorded one track to digital.
I only have one of our recordings on tape. I've been meaning to digitalize it. Not quite as zany as some of our other performances though it does feature a "conversation" between a slide whistle (me) and a cello (a friend of mine). I'll see if I can mp3 it sometime in the next few days.
for the funny long titles, i suggest taking a look at Stunt Rock:
http://www.discogs.com/release/68318
which is also quite noisy, but more in a DHR kind of way, with distorted breakbeats (lol breakbeats) and zillions of angsty emo out-of-context movie samples.
For hilarious song titles, anal cunt is pretty up there.Musically their earlier noisecore title-less stuff is 12312331% better then the stuff with the song titles.Yeah.
I know those guys. The drummer is really nice.
Impaled Northern Moonforest ftw.
Also, this stuff isn't technically noise, but it seems as such to the unenlightened listener:
Fuck... I'm Dead.
The Berzerker.
We Came With Broken Teeth.
Agorophobic Nosebleed.
Genghis Tron.
Circle of Dead Children.
Torsofuck.
~Shamlessly plugs Grind at every opportunity.
Most of the bands you listed are alright,except for wecamewithbrokenteeth,who play horrible scene grind.
Check Out Arsedestroyer,Fear Of God, and Naked City if you like grind.
7 minutes of nausea and deche-charge are amazing,too.
(also, the ''noisegrind demo'' on my site is, not surprisingly, noisegrind.check it out.or not.)
WCWBT are sorta scene, but I like cyber-grind, what can I say.
Plus, their name is so cool I'm willing to forgive slight transgressions.
I'm familiar with a few of those bands, actually.
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 06:41:04 PMI dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off''
It hurts. With a fair bit of noise, it's possible to appreciate it because it doesn't feel like an ear hemorage (pardon my spelling"), but with harsh noise, all I can tell is that my ears hurt.
But of course, that's just my opinion.
Speedcore > Grindcore
Gabber kicks always make grind guitars better, IMO.
most of the speedcore ive heard has been alright--Like passenger of shit.I still like grind more,though.(In particular Noisecore/noisegrind)
Goregrind is where it's at.
Lord Gore is the single best band in existence, in fact.
goregrind is alright, some of the bands get a bit samey, but my favorites are Urine Festival, Anal Whore, Tumour,and some others.
wait
grindcore
noisecore
speedcore
lord gore
goregrind????
now i'm gonna have to ask you about details :) :) :)
btw i thought that speedcore was like plain gabber hardcore but just really fast? like Amiga Shock Force?
do Hellfish&Producer fit into this equation somewhere?
but back to that list
so speedcore (as you mention it) is noise guitar and gabber beats yeah?
ok now explain what constitutes a reason insert the keyword "grind" into a musical genre? i'm imagining some kind of crunching crumbling sound, but that's just what the word sounds to to me.
now, next question. Digital hardcore. not talking atari teenage riot (cause i think they got their own genre), but there's shizuo, ec8or, bomb20 and patrick C
are they related? not noisy enough? approaching the same sounds from a different direction?
Noisecore invented the breakbeat.
Just saying..
yeah but it wasn't a PROPER breakbeat.
it was more like
- "when i count to four i want everybody to lay out and let the drummer go"
- "WHUT?"
- "and when i count to four i want you to come back in"
- "WHUT?"
- "UH! ain't it funky. HUH!"
- "WHUT??"
- "HUH in the shade, it's in the feet UH feel so sweet EH it's in the shade HUH"
- "WHUT???"
- "a-one, two, three, fou--" KGRGRGSSSTTTR KG KGRKGRGGKKGKGKG GAgagaggrgrg IIIIOIIIIIIIOIIIIIIIII rgkggKkgkagggrgrgrKKGRKRGKGRGKRKiiiiiiiGGKGKGFASDDGGKGKKHHGHHFGGKKGSSSS "--AAAH GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!!!! (HUH!)"
Alrighty---Speedcore is just speedy drums and other electronic stuff, listen to passenger of shit and the abortionist for examples.Grindcore isnt related to electronic music, the ''core'' at the end of grind is because of hardcore punk influence(not the kind of hardcore punk that has kids with scene hair and crappy breakdowns), as most of the first grind bands were HEAVILY influenced by discharge and other such bands.the sound of grindcore generally involves very short or middle length songs( 1 or half a second to two minutes),very fast drumming on the snare(called a ''blastbeat'',also have heard it called a ''hyperblast'')---Just imagine someone hitting the snare as fast as they can, so its a continual prescence.
''Grinding'' guitars(generally heavily distorted to the point of individual notes becoming hard to distinguish,resaulting in ''up down'' rythms similar to a buzzsaw or some hardcore punk).the vocals usually range from screams,to growls, to gurgles and ''pitchshifted'' stuff.In the case of goregrind the vocals are almost always pitch shifted or gurgly, with higher emphasis placed on ''groovy'' guitar and playing more ''catchy'' music then other forms of grind(some exceptions,such as anal whore or urine festival),the lyrics are where goregrind gets its name from--usually detailed scenes of rape,torture,mutilation, horror themes, or faux-medical terminology, examples of this genre would be: lord gore,bile(not the electronic group),last days of humanity,Regurgitate,Carcass and Catasexual urge motivation.Noisecore and noisegrind are generally used interchangably, however some people think that noisegrind is just noiseir then average grind with shorter songs, and noisecore as 1 to 3 second improvised bursts of grind, personally i think the terms ''noise''core and ''noise''grind are fairly misleading, as there is small amounts of melody,structure, and other such boring musical crap(its just less obvious), It is,however, my favorite subgenre of grind,even though the term ''raw grindcore'' may also communicate the basics of the genre.I could go on for a while explaining noisecore and noisegrind, so instead im going to link you to a site that will explain everything(http://www.cfprod.com/noisecore/noisecore.htm).Im not sure what digital hardcore is, but from the names of the acts in it it sounds more electronic related then punk or grind, so im going to go out on a limb and say that its not connected,there is,however, a genre called ''cybergrind'' or ''e-grind''--pretty much people who couldnt find any members for their band,downloading fruity loops, and decided that they can be ''musicians'' now,most of it sucks,there are a few exceptions such as Electrocutionerdz(google for their official site, they put their entire discography up for download for free),dataclast,and some others i cant think of right now.
Harsh noise is exactly what it sounds like--Dada,nihilism, and chaos worship in ''musical'' form--Do what you want,when you want, with a out of tune accordion and a table full of guitar pedals.charactorizations of this genre include: short or average or VERY LONG song times( we're talking 20 minutes to an hour for ''wall noise''),Scraping/shrieking/crushing/destroying/feedbacking effect pedals(usually with a contact mic as a input, or put into feedback loops),complete disregard for the limitations that song structure place on music,and a general ''anything goes'' attitude.I would suggest listening to Pulse Demon and some of merzbows other work, Masonna,torturing nurse,japanese torture comedy hour( a side project of some of the members of agoraphobic nosebleed, a grind band with a drum machine),vomir(nihilistic wall noise--throw away your assumptions about what music is ''supposed'' to be before listening),stimbox, and incapacitants.Hail Eris, Hail noise freedom, hail discordia,hail epic lengthy posts!
Also hail paragraphs.
TL/DR
thanks for your description.
one tiny piece of remark: i read this because i asked for it and was interested to find out, but such a paragraph-less block of text is really hard to read (at least, for me). if you wanna do other people who are going to want to read your post as well a favour, you will edit it and insert a few more paragraph breaks and whitespace.
now some more questions:
- i just remembered another band, "Melt Banana", do you know it and where does it fit in? they use guitars, do the pitchshifted voices and i think also the blastbeats. otherwise they are generally very loud, noisy, weird and chaotic. (if you don't know them, i suggest you check them out)
- what do you do with a 20 minute noisewall? it sounds really the same over the entire song? no LFOs or something going on anywhere?
do you listen to that? at home, or live? or just keep it in your collection as a nice oddity?
some friends of mine once created two CDs for me, birthday presents. first year i got several detuned channels of AM noise. year after that, they went through a littlebit more trouble and tried to create the colours of noise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colors_of_noise) (white, pink, brown, etc), they didn't have the skills (or time) to create orange noise though (i wonder what it would sound like).
also, i have used CoolEdit a few times to create a pink noise loop, in order to cancel out environment noises during meditation sessions. it works really well for cancelling out sounds, but after a while it gets annoying, you don't really hear it anymore, but it feels like some sort of pressure in your head.
Quote from: triple zero on June 27, 2007, 03:46:14 PM
thanks for your description.
one tiny piece of remark: i read this because i asked for it and was interested to find out, but such a paragraph-less block of text is really hard to read (at least, for me). if you wanna do other people who are going to want to read your post as well a favour, you will edit it and insert a few more paragraph breaks and whitespace.
think of it as textual-noise. :D
textual noise = spam
especially those word salad spam
Melt banana are grind, although, in a interview when asked what they played they replied ''pop music''(i own their cd ''teeny shiny'' and have more laying around on cdrs somewhere) Most people do differant things while listening to noise walls--myself, i concentrate entirely on the sound, so that the miniminiscule changes(some artists will change it, vomir seems to remain very minimalist,though.) are more noticable,others meditate to it.As far as what way to enjoy it--All of the above.Ive never gotten the chance to see any form of noise live (because of where i live) but there are some who think all forms of harsh noise are best experianced in a live enviroment.I disagree--I listen to noise everywhere, i think its best(all subgenres) when you can give your total attention to it.some wall noise treats noise as a physical object--Unchanging from when you first ''see'' it, other wall noise might surprise you by becoming something completly differant in the middle of the song.Personally, i perfer harsh noise with dynamics over wallnoise most of the time,though...Static noise sources like orange/pink/white noise are usually used as a soundsource while making wall noise, along with a few other things. Sorry that my posts are hard to read( or you could think of it as Avant-gard message boarding.)
ah please man, i'm asking you nicely :(
how hard can it be to hit enter a few times?
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Warning: this thread contains 'Muscial Hair Splitting'
what do you mean ''musical hair splitting'' its not hair splitting if its entire subgenres and genres of music,dude.there are vast,easily noticible differances between all the bands i mentioned(i dont mean that in a asshole-y way)
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 27, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
what do you mean ''musical hair splitting''
I think he means:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/musicalhairsplitting.jpg)
Swap that with Paris Hilton and you've got Musical Heir Splitting. Or Musical Heir Hair Splitting.
you can tell it's musical hairs because of the notes
the fckn'bstrds should rename themselves fckn'awesome.seriously,wacky ass costumes,semi-nudity,noise music,
doesnt get much better.i own one of their dvd's,
great stuff.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=fckn+bstrds
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 27, 2007, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 27, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
what do you mean ''musical hair splitting''
I think he means:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/musicalhairsplitting.jpg)
bumping my latest masterpiece to this page
I hate it when my WOMP shtick is post #15
Quote from: triple zero on June 27, 2007, 10:45:36 AM
btw i thought that speedcore was like plain gabber hardcore but just really fast? like Amiga Shock Force?
do Hellfish&Producer fit into this equation somewhere?
so speedcore (as you mention it) is noise guitar and gabber beats yeah?
Speedcore is just really fast gabber, but it often has guitars taken from grindcore songs in it, or guitars that just sound like they belong in a grind song.
For example: DOA - NYC Speedcore http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR6HyJpcY6E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR6HyJpcY6E)
Quote from: triple zero on June 27, 2007, 12:26:29 PM
yeah but it wasn't a PROPER breakbeat.
it was more like
- "when i count to four i want everybody to lay out and let the drummer go"
- "WHUT?"
- "and when i count to four i want you to come back in"
- "WHUT?"
- "UH! ain't it funky. HUH!"
- "WHUT??"
- "HUH in the shade, it's in the feet UH feel so sweet EH it's in the shade HUH"
- "WHUT???"
- "a-one, two, three, fou--" KGRGRGSSSTTTR KG KGRKGRGGKKGKGKG GAgagaggrgrg IIIIOIIIIIIIOIIIIIIIII rgkggKkgkagggrgrgrKKGRKRGKGRGKRKiiiiiiiGGKGKGFASDDGGKGKKHHGHHFGGKKGSSSS "--AAAH GET THAT THING AWAY FROM ME!!!! (HUH!)"
Shit. Now I want to mix this.
looking forward to it :lol:
1 2 3 4!!!! GFHDGDJDSKKASKLASSDGRRHHHHFUCKOFF!
music to my ears.
you are familiar with the song LMNO is intending to sample, i presume?
I was just gonna layer Neubauten on top of Anal Cunt.
early anal cunt = win.
people only liking their later stuff because of the song titles = fail
Personally, I loved their covers of "The Pina Colada Song" and "American Woman".
www.myspace.com/bicuriousgeorge69
listen to their cover of that cheap trick song that goes something like ''i want you to want me''
Hilarious.
i swear im not in that band.
I lied.
sometimes we have 3 drummers.
our first show was on the day we started(i was in 3 of the four bands playing that night, and decided to start another) recorded a cdr of our stuff earlier that day and made a cover.Problem was, we didnt listen to it after it recorded, so our first release only plays in the left headphone.
We win.
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 27, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
what do you mean ''musical hair splitting'' its not hair splitting if its entire subgenres and genres of music,dude.there are vast,easily noticible differances between all the bands i mentioned(i dont mean that in a asshole-y way)
Thing is, they're only really noticable to people who listen to grindcore regularly. Play Lord Gore, Carcass, Insect Warfare, and then Napalm Death to most people, and they won't be able to tell the difference.
Just like I cant tell the difference between most rappers.
Sadly, this is quite true. I think there is a night and day difference between Napalm Death and Carcass but I can see how others not familiar with the scene wouldn't. Though, in fairness, with some grindcore and death metal bands, they don't strive too hard to be very different from the rest of the pack.
I suppose. But he asked what they were, and I told him.Didnt want to skim over anything important, and from the sound of things he doesnt have a grind collection of 100's of tapes/records/cd's or something so i figured listing the differant subgenres would be fine.
I think the average person could probobly tell the differance between,say, Deche-charge and nasum, or urine festival(hooray) and ed gein(EWWWW).
Musical Hairsplitting:
The act of classifying music and musicians into pathologically picayune categories:
"The Vienna Franks are a good example of urban white acid folk revivalism crossed with ska."
- Douglas Coupland
I would figure musical hairsplitting would be more around the lines of 'MAGRUDERGRIND ARE POWR VIOLENC NOT GRIND U POZAR!11!!oneone!"
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on July 01, 2007, 08:39:04 PM
I would figure musical hairsplitting would be more around the lines of 'MAGRUDERGRIND ARE POWR VIOLENC NOT GRIND U POZAR!11!!oneone!"
:D
something like that. glad you have a sense of humour about these things. oh and welcome to PD btw.
Thanks! and a discordian message board would *probobly* be the worst place to take anything serious,ever.
(except for maybe [insert political/religous/stereotype/favorite scapegoat/banana enthusiasts group here]'s conventions)
Ok, here is the hit single from The Zyphoid Process, "The Letter M".
http://mihd.net/lbz2np
Please to enjoy. Or something.
Quote from: LMNO on July 03, 2007, 01:02:47 PM
Ok, here is the hit single from The Zyphoid Process, "The Letter M".
http://mihd.net/lbz2np
Please to enjoy. Or something.
:eek:
:lulz:
We would play entire sets of that crap. Ah, the looks we would get.
Imagine, if you will, two hot chicks fiddling around with electronic devices, generating squaling feedback, while some dude in a button-down shirt and tie smacks around a beat-to-shit guitar.
Good times. Also, we decided to completely fictionalize our history. We claimed to have been around since the 80s, opening for Sonic Youth, DNA, etc. We were preported to have personal friends like Arto Lindsay, Thurston Moore, et al. It was fun.
Quote from: LMNO on July 03, 2007, 01:02:47 PM
Ok, here is the hit single from The Zyphoid Process, "The Letter M".
http://mihd.net/lbz2np
Please to enjoy. Or something.
band name FTW
Thought you might like that.
awesome stuff!
Just posting in here to say how proud I am of my little guitar protege. We were down in the basement where I have all my music gear. I plugged an old 4-stringed beat-up guitar, cranked the volume, and set it down on the floor. I gave her (my daughter) a slide, an e-bow, and some drum-sticks. It was beautiful man.
I hope you hit Record.
I would've except I discovered that I'm fresh out of tape. And I'm a real pack-rat and can't bring myself to record over anything.
Digital, motherfucker: do you record with it?
tape?
plug it straight into your laptop, hit a few quick after effects (the automatic EQ stuff) and save to mp3!
edit: yeah what LMNO said. i in fact have no experience with this, but that's how i'd do it.
Yeah, I'm a little behind the times, I know. Although, I've gotta say, I was recently in my local music show and the 4-track tape machine I use hasn't really come down in price much at all. I was quite surprised. I'm still learning the ropes with the digital recording. Right now it seems like such a hassle because I don't really feel like I know what I'm doing, where with the tape machine, I just plug and play.
Analog machines are still popular to get analog tape compression/distortion. Still, digital is a lot easier.
Yeah, I just gotta get more savy with it. I also need a better recording arrangement. Right now the computer is upstairs and the gear is downstairs. But, I think I'll be using the digital more after I get my new shipment of instruments. By the weeks end I should be in the possession of a slide whistle, melodica, harmonica, and a kalimba. I can just plug in my mic and go, go, go. :D
.. and if it's your girl playing, just capture it any way you can, use your phone if nothing else is at hand
Don't have a cell phone, let alone one that records audio. (I'm a bit behind the times technologically speaking)
But, next time I'll be sure to have the tape machine plugged in and loaded to go. And I of course will post the results. :D
yay!
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on July 10, 2007, 05:59:54 PM
Yeah, I just gotta get more savy with it. I also need a better recording arrangement. Right now the computer is upstairs and the gear is downstairs. But, I think I'll be using the digital more after I get my new shipment of instruments. By the weeks end I should be in the possession of a slide whistle, melodica, harmonica, and a kalimba. I can just plug in my mic and go, go, go. :D
The software is the bitchy part. All the hardware is easily setup and reasonable. A couple months ago, we picked up a LINE 6 USB recording deck, very handy and only about AUS$300. My girl is doing her latest CD release. With this one, a couple hours in a studio for a full mic'd up drum kit and all the rest is being done at home.
Sharing the computer room with her, I'm glad she opted for the studio to do the drum kit.
yeah, that's really what I need. I should trade the tape deck in for something like that. It would make it all so much easier.
Here's the link to the LINE 6 unit she's using now ... would recommend it, if it meets your needs
http://line6.com/toneport/index.html?utm_source=Line6Index&utm_medium=Navigation&utm_campaign=TonePort+Gear+Mid
eh, noise music has its place as all music does.
idk
im not really into it but i get it, its pretty cool i guess
Quote from: LMNO on July 03, 2007, 01:38:00 PM
We would play entire sets of that crap. Ah, the looks we would get.
Imagine, if you will, two hot chicks fiddling around with electronic devices, generating squaling feedback, while some dude in a button-down shirt and tie smacks around a beat-to-shit guitar.
Good times. Also, we decided to completely fictionalize our history. We claimed to have been around since the 80s, opening for Sonic Youth, DNA, etc. We were preported to have personal friends like Arto Lindsay, Thurston Moore, et al. It was fun.
haha
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 03:29:05 PM
Yeah. Im not doing anything particularily ''unique'' (there is a entire genre of music called harsh noise that is dedicated to sounding like this),However i would like to think that my music embraces the idea that chaos can be just as valuable as structure, if not more.
www.myspace.com/frenzieddestruction
check out the pics section, it has some from my first live show, complete with some guy in a mexican wrestler mask and a umbrella.
Also, does anyone else here make chaos/discordian/anti-music flavored stuff? we should release a net compilation or something.Yeah.hope this doesnt count as spam or advertising or whatever, this seems like a awesome place to post.
I'd like to thank every silly bastard in this thread for making Discordianism look really, really stupid, which means we aren't taken seriously and are therefore able to have more fun at society's expense.
So thanks. Even if your "music" is a big steaming pile of poomp.
TGRR,
Prefers music by people that know how to play their instruments.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on June 26, 2007, 07:22:26 PM
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 06:41:04 PMI dont understand how harsh noise can ''piss someone off''
reminds me of--
my Senior year at college, they got Thurston Moore (of Sonic Youth) to headline the school's big spring festival. People were really excited until he played continuous guitar feedback for 45 minutes.
Bump.
I just recorded a 23 minute song, based on BIP stuff, with a lengthy section of feedback and distortion, and I'm dedicating it to you Cram. :wink:
LINK FFS, LINK!
i seem to only enjoy noise when it´s live, and with some performance to it. preferably bondage, or horror and blood.
about the subgenres, it´s crazy. people will never agree on whats what in music.
Grindcore is disco and gabber is popmusic. THIS IS A FACT! it is not just my opinion.
As for my grindband, we play LOVEGRIND. grindcore with lyrics about love. nature and good stuff.
http://www.myspace.com/goolovegrind
http://www.squalorbase.com/goo
I do think that most people familiar with underground music to any capacity can agree that there is working difference between noise, and any form of grind, with rare crossover (say in the case of Gore Beyond Necropsy, for example).
As far as noise goes, I've been through a few phases myself. There are several Merzbow albums that have value for repeat listening, at least further than simply wanting something loud and ridiculiously overpowering... but for the most part, a lot of the noise I like has been closer to the side of dark-ambient (stuff like Lustmord, Shinjuku Thief, Converter, Contagious Orgasm, etc.)
Anyway, I really only want to chime in to say that none of this has anything to do with grindcore, except in very rare and singular circumstances. (although lovegrind does sound pretty awesome.)
I personally have come to appreciate noise for the fact that I fucking hate it. The fact it makes me feel so strongly about it seems to be it's mastery. In my eyes, the purpose of music it is to evoke an emotional or otherwise response of some kind and hate works just as well for me as love. I would happily go see a noise band live and hate every minute of it and at the same time love the fact I was really feeling something through every moment. So does chaotic noise really fulfill the title of 'anti-music' in that sense? What sort of music could you listen to that didn't really evoke any response at all?
true.
Not evoking any emotional response at all is pretty damn impressive.
Quote from: dr retard on January 10, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
true.
Not evoking any emotional response at all is pretty damn impressive.
People don't listen to music that doesn't evoke some response from them.
Yeah they do, they just dont remember listening to it
Quote from: Frederieke Noodle on January 10, 2009, 09:35:53 PM
Yeah they do, they just dont remember listening to it
Missing the point ^
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 29, 2007, 05:16:06 AM
Quote from: Frenzied Destruction on June 26, 2007, 03:29:05 PM
Yeah. Im not doing anything particularily ''unique'' (there is a entire genre of music called harsh noise that is dedicated to sounding like this),However i would like to think that my music embraces the idea that chaos can be just as valuable as structure, if not more.
www.myspace.com/frenzieddestruction
check out the pics section, it has some from my first live show, complete with some guy in a mexican wrestler mask and a umbrella.
Also, does anyone else here make chaos/discordian/anti-music flavored stuff? we should release a net compilation or something.Yeah.hope this doesnt count as spam or advertising or whatever, this seems like a awesome place to post.
I'd like to thank every silly bastard in this thread for making Discordianism look really, really stupid, which means we aren't taken seriously and are therefore able to have more fun at society's expense.
So thanks. Even if your "music" is a big steaming pile of poomp.
TGRR,
Prefers music by people that know how to play their instruments.
:cry:
Quote from: 3D3N on January 09, 2009, 02:18:02 AM
I personally have come to appreciate noise for the fact that I fucking hate it. The fact it makes me feel so strongly about it seems to be it's mastery. In my eyes, the purpose of music it is to evoke an emotional or otherwise response of some kind and hate works just as well for me as love. I would happily go see a noise band live and hate every minute of it and at the same time love the fact I was really feeling something through every moment. So does chaotic noise really fulfill the title of 'anti-music' in that sense? What sort of music could you listen to that didn't really evoke any response at all?
Pretty much sums up the way I feel about it. While I do feel that Noise can be approached artfully, and sometimes (although rarely) is impressive in that light, I appreciate it for its ability to simply make someone uncomfortable. Sometimes I enjoy listening to music that invokes that kind of negative response.
I'd like to once again mention that "noise" is just that. It isn't art, it isn't music, it's a bunch of pretentious fucks who want to be rock stars but don't want to take the time to, say, rehearse or maybe even learn how to play an instrument.
It's shit, and the people responsible should be strapped to a Smartcar™, and driven into a bee colony.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
I'd like to once again mention that "noise" is just that. It isn't art, it isn't music, it's a bunch of pretentious fucks who want to be rock stars but don't want to take the time to, say, rehearse or maybe even learn how to play an instrument.
It's shit, and the people responsible should be strapped to a Smartcar™, and driven into a bee colony.
I keep meaning to make a Myspace band page and then record some completely retarded, and I mean RETARDED shit, and pretend I'm completely serious.
With lots of "arty" shots of myself, say, wild-haired, wearing a tattered T-shirt and smeared with pudding, kneeling on a log in the forest, in black and white with the contrast adjusted way up. Or curled up in a creek. Whatever.
Anybody have a god band name for me?
back in the days of mp3.com, anyone could upload music. And you'd get paid like 2 cents every time someone clicked it.
So this kid in my physics class, adam, did the math, and decided he might just get rich if he made like 500 songs and upload them all over the website
so he made 500 songs. They mostly consisted of shit like him playing air guitar on an turned-on leaf blower while "playing" a casio keyboard with his foot. IIRC he had a song called "erection patrol".
he got lots of angry letters, because he uploaded a few songs to every possible genre. Like Classical. Or Jazz Fusion.
and he got a check every month for something like $14
Quote from: Cramulus on October 29, 2009, 03:12:22 AM
back in the days of mp3.com, anyone could upload music. And you'd get paid like 2 cents every time someone clicked it.
So this kid in my physics class, adam, did the math, and decided he might just get rich if he made like 500 songs and upload them all over the website
so he made 500 songs. They mostly consisted of shit like him playing air guitar on an turned-on leaf blower while "playing" a casio keyboard with his foot. IIRC he had a song called "erection patrol".
he got lots of angry letters, because he uploaded a few songs to every possible genre. Like Classical. Or Jazz Fusion.
and he got a check every month for something like $14
:lulz: brilliant!
I appreciate music, and I appreciate sound. I can appreciate well done compositions for their time signatures, melodies, rhythms, etc. But, I can also appreciate a well done soundscape. A piece that is completely devoid of rhythms, melodies, time signatures, yes, maybe it is "noise", but I wouldn't really categorize that as a song or as music per-se. But, it is a perfectly valid form or aural art.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 09, 2009, 02:18:02 AMWhat sort of music could you listen to that didn't really evoke any response at all?
Heh, come to think of it, this has been done.
John Cage - 4'33 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN2zcLBr_VM&feature=related)
Although to be fair, this usually DOES invoke an emotional response.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 28, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
I'd like to once again mention that "noise" is just that. It isn't art, it isn't music, it's a bunch of pretentious fucks who want to be rock stars but don't want to take the time to, say, rehearse or maybe even learn how to play an instrument.
It's shit, and the people responsible should be strapped to a Smartcar™, and driven into a bee colony.
IMO there are two extremes, and on one end of the spectrum you have precisely what you just described. To be fair, however, this is an overarching phenomena which occurs in all forms of music, including popular music.