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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Fleshing out Occult - refinement of diagrams
« on: February 15, 2007, 04:07:29 pm »
here is a refinement of the diagrams from yesterday

included are a attempt at making a connection between 'physical universe' and LMNO's proposal of 'shared input source'
---> and then a attempt at trying to connect that observation to what 'occult' is, where it is derived from, and what it can be used for


also included are 000's observations about possible 'reality' / input situations
- from where i am sitting right now, i see all 3 as being possible, the third being the least likely, and im a little bit torn between the first 2 right now

they both seem pretty reasonable

either way - pull up a barstool and throw some feedback

and



original diagrams:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11620.0
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=11627.0

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / SSOOKN historical context
« on: February 14, 2007, 09:32:58 pm »
V1.0



OFUK

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is this a component of the generic map-in-progress here?

can we agree on the manner in which we disagree?

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / A Failed Attempt to be Closerer to God
« on: February 14, 2007, 04:40:46 am »
http://lhx012.multiply.com/

fuck

i tried reading thru the critique of the BIP

but i couldnt make it thru

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / fun with discordians
« on: February 14, 2007, 01:11:18 am »
damn yo im having too much fun with this thing


i did this in like 2 minutes



how do the discordians get to a better tomorrow?


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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / interaction - pulling, pushing (attn 000)
« on: February 13, 2007, 10:40:09 pm »
(000: where did you post something about how people respond better to situations where they are 'pulling' things rather than pushing them?)


implication:

literature that involves a sense of interaction

reader has to take a active role in obtaining closure


i was looking at some jehovahs witness literature the other day, and without fail, on the cover of each issue is a QUESTION in BIG BOLD PRINT

(the one i saw yesterday said "Is it OK to Lie Sometimes?")

another one i saw asked
"Is this the End of the World?"


these kinds of interaction tactics are good


here is a inventory of literary effects that seem to ask for interaction:
- dramatic text with spelling mistakes or bad grammar - this engages people because they want to correct the errors they see
- bragging - demands attention because people like to size themselves up to others
- promises of benefit
- threats
- anything inconsistent - neat appearance with vulgar writing / vulgar appearance with formal writing
- short bursts (the ECH meme bomb style)


add on

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Bring and Brag / LHX vernacular laboratories and weapon testing zone
« on: February 13, 2007, 01:15:11 am »
look how the finger hits the key

symbol appears on screen

string it together form a word

string the words together form a phrase

string some phrases together and reveal a logic


something that might look familiar to other people looking at similar maps of similar territory


agreement

the same-pagedness of the situation


heaven help those who try to dismantle what has never known separation


not so much a swagger as it is sure-footedness

anything that looks like a swagger develops from that foundation


bullets pierce flesh
but foundations ensure re-birth


who wants to talk big and test out the latest theory?

big dick style
big brother style


big brother the family member and affectionate protector
vs
big brother - member of the social organization
vs
big brother the totalitarian leader

where would we be without disambiguation?



if need be, the screaming, scared, and paranoid will be taken in a smothering embrace and pulled down to where it is warm
and shown warmth

not burning

warmth






just fucking around ITT

playing wiff effects

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Or Kill Me / low rumble
« on: February 10, 2007, 08:44:36 pm »
a low rumble
or maybe a distant sound that isnt so much a sound as it is a tangible vibration that you can feel in your bones

like something just below earthquake status

you cant tell if you feel it or hear it

probably both


if you look hard enough, you think you can see it

but you dont know if its just you tricking yourself or if there is really something there


you arent tricking yourself

there really is something there



as the noose tightens, the intensity of the rumble increases

it becomes more evident and can only be ignored by moderate-to-heavy doses of refined sugar, caffeine, or stronger substances



if you ingest these substances, you can get yourself to pretend that the rumble isnt there for a while

you can ignore it


but the same way a merry-go-round ends, the high ends

and you come back to wondering what the fuck that thing is in the distance


relentless like anything naturally big

taking swings at it is like trying to knock down a mountain with a axe


part of you wants to call it nightmare
but you take a look around you and the other part of you wants to call it anti-nightmare


that low rumble

ominous

possibly dark
but not dark like night

dark like mud

the thing that makes things rot and loves rotten things

its alive but it takes life

not because it has malice
but just because thats the way it moves

like a big bird that takes out little birds just by flapping its wings


you put up a great struggle and in hindsight, it will be seen as having been a valiant effort

nitro fuel and aspartame
using salt to preserve for a later date so you dont have to constantly move around

all the plastic really did seem like a good idea at the time

so you can stay stationary and try to figure out what exactly it is you got yourself involved in








preliminary lab results indicate: no harm - no foul




long-term effects: suffocation





the baby gets pushed along the street in the stroller so its nostrils are at exhaust-pipe level

it grows up to be easily led in the wrong direction


that thing rumbling in the distance learns to develop a taste for all things
until its so obvious that even 6 cups of coffee cant get you motivated to focus on your business
snorting coke off a strippers titties cant get you hard

everything so imminent that even suicide seems redundant because you arent sure if you died already



its distressing until its hilarious
its hilarious until it is unfortunate
its unfortunate until it can be appreciated

once appreciated you look down and you are riding a low rumble

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Literate Chaotic / A Great Moment in Literary History
« on: February 08, 2007, 06:09:06 pm »
Quote
That whole night I heard wings of some kind, and I walked about trying to protect my head with my arms from those wings. Then there was a chair, but not like one of our chairs now - this one was old-fashioned, made of wood. And I'm moving my legs like a horse (right foreleg and left hind leg, left foreleg and right hind leg). Then the chair runs right up to my bed and jumps in. And I make love to the wooden chair. It was uncomfortable. It hurt.

from We, Yevgeny Zamyatin


anybody read this joint?


that chair intimacy scene had me rollin

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Shepard Fairey
« on: February 05, 2007, 10:44:53 pm »
Has anybody heard of this dude?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepard_Fairey

its amazing how successful subversive people can become, in every aspect except evoking any noticeable social change

in other words: subversion


its funny tho - every so often i keep coming across a new individual/group who seems to have committed their lives to throwing a 'wrench in The Machine'

but The Machine handles it like its nothing

doesnt slow down, and sure as hell doesnt stop

just keeps on digging deeper





on the other side tho - some incredible art comes out of it all

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Subliminal Message
« on: February 04, 2007, 01:03:45 am »
What is a subliminal message?

a message delivered 'below consciousness'

what that means is that you are paying attention to something, but there is also other messages being beamed at you (that you are not paying attention to)

this happens all the time



People find the implications of subliminal messages fascinating -

what effect do subliminal messages have?

what effect can they have?



There is messages beamed at you all the time.

To intentionally broadcast a subliminal message would suggest a desire to keep the message below a person's consciousness, but have the message delivered nonetheless

it suggests that the message will somehow get into a persons head, and eventually factor into their decision-making process at some point (without them ever having realized that they received the message)


no doubt this topic can be looked at from a few angles, but what are the initial thoughts that come to mind when you consider subliminal messages?



my hunches are as follows:

subliminal messages would require repetition to be effective --> but from this angle, i dont see how they would differ from regular messages that often need to be repeated in order to make an impact

the presence of something in your line of sight forces you to consider it (the reverse of 'out of sight, out of mind')

if you continually make a connection between 2 things, then the connection will remain in peoples heads for a while (instead of flashing random messages)



questions:
is the general practice of schooling children and teaching by repetition a form of sending subliminal messages?
repetition repetition repetition


drop some perspectives on this if you have a chance

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Or Kill Me / Jumping Through Hoops
« on: February 01, 2007, 04:50:26 pm »
Talk about old fashioned.

Hasn't everybody got bored of jumping through hoops yet?

It's funny how counter-intuitively things progress: a system gets set up, and when a problem arises, instead of making the system simpler to alleviate the problem, it gets made more complex.


Take a inventory of your life and you will see it is true:
all you have really done is
1. slept
2. ate
3. breathed
4. excreted
5. communicated
6. explored
7. been stimulated
8. found more food for your next meal

So where did all this other shit come from?

This drive to be 'productive' is a social paradigm - but nobody can answer to what end?

Productive toward what?

To do what?

To accomplish what goal?


The goal obviously has nothing to do with establishing a better and more comfortable way of life.


The icing on the cake is that if you asked everybody individually about what the goals are/should be, there would be tremendous and resounding agreement.

Tolerance, freedom, respect -- all things good.

But when you take these same people and put them in a situation of shared and endless-yet-exhaustible resources, they simply fuck it up.


We live in a place where tired people cannot rest and hungry people can't get food even though there is enough of it.


Here we are - mechanically waking up, traveling to locations, performing functions and returning to our designated confines all in the name of perpetuating the flawed system.


The optimistic understanding is that this system eventually collapses under its own weight.
And the strategic approach is to be patient and endure it. Some would suggest contributing to the collapse wherever possible.


The silver lining is there, but a lot of people don't like that shade of silver enough to pursue it - or worse - they don't even notice it.

Its not that they enjoy jumping through hoops, but they simply have never known anything else.


The excitement of waking up and jumping through the same hoops you jumped through yesterday.

The path is familiar and synthetically stimulating, but it exhausts and disfigures and is ultimately hollow and unfulfilling.

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Morals
« on: January 29, 2007, 08:54:16 pm »
so

i guess it is generally assumed that 'morals' are not popular amongst a community like this - which is true

but the term moral seems to be interpreted differently by different people


morals
rules
ethics


no - we arent the type of people who remove our hats when entering a building
and we arent the type of people who adhere to much etiquette or social niceties


but
when it comes to some situations, the foot comes down

and it comes down with more ferociousness here than it does in a lot of other places



in a attempt to define what the discordian 'moral stance' is, it seems like it would be something along the lines of

'dont do anything that you wouldnt do publicly'




the current social structure and legal system allows a lot of people to do a lot of things (harassment, doing things in the name of 'art') that would wind up being dealt with harshly in a 'free' environment


consider the story of a woman who is a victim of harassment, and whose family members would be more than willing to lay a fierce beating down on the harasser, but they are powerless to do anything in this situation without facing (almost certain) punishment themselves from the 'authorities'

what deterrent does the aggressor have in this situation?

little if any - in a lot of ways, he is protected and is able to continue victimizing


like a kid that runs up and smacks the next kid, then goes and hides behind the teacher




at first glance, the criticisms of this approach are along the lines of
'you cant have vigilante justice'
'people should be allowed to have freedom to express themselves'
'what makes you guys think youre so right?'


well - take a look at the situation

if you perform a action which you get negative feedback for - investigate it to understand why

there is usually a foundation for it



there is a difference between disobeying circus-style 'social etiquette'
and
violating things that are trying to live or contributing to oppression

victimizing
abusing
extorting
exhausting

there is no laws or rules

but if that is the course of action you are planning to take, dont act surprised at the feedback you get


its not a matter of anybody being 'right'
but
if youre the one who decided to pull the pin from the grenade, why act surprised when it blows up?

blame the grenade, right?


that stance is played out



and to address the segment that is in a situation that 'cant control what they do' - i have sympathy for that

it doesnt seem like that situation will prevent a person from getting whats coming to them


just because some habits and tendencies can be tough to kick (or really tough to kick)
doesnt mean you still get to hold on to them



these are just hunches

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / BIP lyrics audio prototype part 1
« on: January 29, 2007, 03:38:31 am »
Here is the a cappella:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SVXOXZR9




Here is the lyrics written out (roughly)

hey kid
welcome to prison
you might wanna listen
to the wisdom
we're kickin in your direction
what?
youre hard-headed?
brain-deaded?
too many years of training got you misleaded?
brainwashed?
youre lost?
and it aint the tv show
this is real life shit
getting dark like sleepy hollow
we cordially invited you
if you decline we might smite you
not because we dont like you
we set the spark that ignites you
we drop habits like hippies drop acid
sharpen blades like blacksmiths
while youre armed with a matchstick
we cant go wrong
we done been there
and got the bruises to prove it
spit original legit
on demand we produce it
this aint poetry its potency
the roots that support the tree
and it aint just me
hit PD and meet the family
international
intergalactic
trans-dimensional
and when we rain we pour
its more like torrential
you can ignore it for now
we'll see how far it gets you
even a construction crew
cant dig deep enough to protect you
no illusions
we're drawing blueprints
slow and steady keep it moving
trial and error keep improving
gain momentum never losing
stay sharp never snoozing
any doubt we barstool it
the air is gettin thick
and we're in it like pollution


LMNO - lemme know if this is workable or trash

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Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / LOL BIP gets dissed
« on: January 18, 2007, 03:58:30 am »
i was wondering where that n00b went

dude was here just before christmas

http://www.closertogod.net/main/thoughts/worlddetail/BlackIronPrison.html

apparently he just decided to pass swift judgement and bounce


sall good

i guess humility and discussion isnt everybodys strong suit

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