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WHY? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? Isn't there enough reality in the world that is weird and discordian enough? Why read this bullshit and start doing research on it, you might as well write your own theory. Include enough 'interesting' words and publish it as the all knowing fuck up of the century. Eris people, ERIS! There is no order, stop trying to make one. Yes yes, for you it sounds very interesting, all these orderly dimensions and brainwaves, and... AAAAAAAAAAARGH! 

Ah, but SBCU, to me your rant appears to risk falling to the Eristic Delusion, that is the perception that Order does not exist. Order, as much as Disorder appear as necessary and useful tools for the escalation of Chaos... they appear as the building blocks, as it were of Discord, Confusion and Bureaucracy. Look at the Sacred Chao, does it not contain both the Hodge and the Podge? Are not All Men, Women and Children Popes of Eris (either Popes of the Rising Podge or Popes of the Rising Hodge?)

A Lesson on the Sacred Chao

The Sacred Chao is made up of three visual elements. The first is the eternal symbol of balance, the yin and yang, the black and white, the male and female, the polarity of Everything. Inside the black field of this ancient symbol rests an emblazoned 'Golden Apple'. This is the Golden Apple that started the Trojan War, The Golden Apple of Eris. Unfortunately we don't have a definite answer on the exact type of Gold, some believe it may have been Acapulco. The third element is nested on the white field of the Chao. A Five-Sided Pentagon, the symbol of the Department of Defense (or the Dept. of Murder, War etc.)... as well as all good Bureaucracies everywhere.

"But what does it mean?" asked the student seeking enlightenment.

The Sacred Chao is the symbol of the universal balance between Disorder and Order. These are known to most Discordians as "The Hodge", symbol of the Disorder which touches every part of existence(even the parts that your Mommy said not to touch unless you were taking a bath). On the other side there is the Podge, symbol of Order, Bureaucracy, and Dogma.

The Sacred Chao is never in a perfect balance, or a static position. Indeed, it wobbles as each side struggles with the other. The secret to the power of the Chao is exactly that, understanding that an increase in one, will initiate an increase in the other. Every time the Government increases taxes or decreases freedoms, there is a proportional increase in tax evasion or in unlawful activity. When there is an increase in civil disobedience or rebellion, there is a proportional increase in the Police and Authority force, more freedoms are curtailed and the Sacred Chao wobbles from side to side.

An Example:
When bureaucracy placed the Great US Podge in the center of Middle Eastern affairs, we might say that they started to tip the Chao, the eventual retaliation by Hodge-sided terrorists tipped the Chao in the other direction. The recent US-led attacks in the Mid-East, notably Afghanistan and Iraq, was the direct result of the Pentagon Praising Podge People (which has 5 instances of the letter 'p', yet another proof of the Law of Fives), tipping the Chao again. The responses from insurgents (many of whom use Hodge like tactics in an effort to implement their Podge-ish Islamic Rule)  is now balancing that.

On and on it goes, in every aspect of reality (or whatever you think is reality). Thus we can say that the universe is made up of a Hodge/Podge of order and disorder, in short Chaos. In fact if you cut an apple in half and look inside, you will see the seeds sitting in a 5 sided Pentagon, for within chaos is always a deeper Order. The same is true of Order, look closely at any government program, beneath the bureaucracy is chaos, pure and simple.

Remember that EVERY model is just a model, a map, a metaphor and can be True in Some Sense, False in Some Sense and Meaningless in Some Sense... including the 8-Circuit grid and Sacred Chao. If we discuss the 8-circuits as a map, a game of order or a model... that doesn't mean we think its an Authority on Truth. Its a way of examining the universe around us and the universe in between our ears. When you can master both Order and Disorder, you'll find that games on either side can escalate Chaos. If you only ever seek disorder, then you may miss out on lots of fun.


Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
POEE of The Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal

Okay... since I've got some experience with religions I think the most logical thing to do now is:

Form my own group, give it a weird name, ad some new 'old' texts and say it's the real PD.

Ad a history with druids, Qabalism, Rosicrucians, Eris, alchemy, Dr. John Dee, Blavatsky and Arthur Waite, which all helped me to find this real PD. Claim the 'newer' PD, which most people follow is only a misunderstanding... And say that in the end of the day the biggest misunderstanding is the inclusion of order in anything.

Or will I be kicked out now?

VI. The Neuroelectric System

The sixth brain consists of the nervous system becoming aware of itself apart from imprinted gravitational reality-maps (circuits I-IV) and even apart from body-rapture (circuit V). Count Korzybski, the semanticist, called this state "consciousness of abstracting." Dr. John Lilly calls it "metaprogramming," i.e., awareness of programming one's programming. This Einsteinian, relativistic contelligence (consciousness-intelligence) recognizes, for instance, that the Euclidean, Newtonian and Aristotelian reality-maps are just three among billions of possible programs or models for experience. I turned this circuit on with Peyote, LSD and Crowley's "magick" metaprograms.

This level of brain-functioning seems to have been reported first around 500 B.C. among various "occult" groups connected by the Silk Route (Rome-North India). It is so far beyond the terrestrial tunnel-realities that those who have achieved it can barely communicate about it to ordinary humanity (circuits I-IV) and can hardly be understood even by fifth circuit Rapture Engineers.

Tactics for opening and imprinting the sixth circuit are described and rarely experienced in advanced rajah yoga, and in the hermetic (coded) manuals of the medieval-Renaissance alchemists and Illuminati.

First: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trance

Secondly:

Yes, obviously the snobbish idea of the person who knows nothing, so finds a special way to know everything. If you don't understand him or her, you just simply can't master the powers to do so.

Thanks for the picture of the elite, it amused me, to say the least.

And then a little personal rant (3):
WHY? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? Isn't there enough reality in the world that is weird and discordian enough? Why read this bullshit and start doing research on it, you might as well write your own theory. Include enough 'interesting' words and publish it as the all knowing fuck up of the century. Eris people, ERIS! There is no order, stop trying to make one. Yes yes, for you it sounds very interesting, all these orderly dimensions and brainwaves, and... AAAAAAAAAAARGH! 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1945760.ece

Finished The end of the Tether. by Joseph Conrad.
Begun The Writer and the World. by V.S. Naipaul.

Nice book on the 'modernity' of terrorism: Al Qaeda and what it means to be Modern. by John Gray.
Nice book on the defense of the US: Surprise, Security and the American Experience. by John Lewis Gaddis.

An example of 4GW: The third phase of the Second Boer War.

Nice, waiting for more 

Actually, I've pretty much talked about 4GW on this board for the last couple of years, to inform my thinking on certain aspects of Discordian ideas.

And while its not Americans who came up with it, the Pentagon are the only people putting money into researching it thoroughly (and letting people look at the results without kidnapping them or slitting their throats) and I'd rather read an academic/military text than a piece of fiction on this subject, any day of the week.

I fully understand the interest in 4GW and of course it benefits the Pentagon to have people research this way of waging war. And it can also benefit us that they are doing research on this subject, so we can learn something about a certain type of warfare. Though I think that the idea that 4GW is a new tactic within modern warfare can and ought to be challenged. I mentioned War and Peace, because Tolstoy describes within this book a 'new' type of warfare, that can be described as 4GW. Of course War and Peace is mostly fiction, but there is a lot of tactical and historical philosophy within the book (in the end the history rules the tactical, but that's up to Tolstoy).

I disagree with the strict 4 steps that are the basis of the 4GW thesis. Even though they show a certain development of tactics (mostly because of technical developments), they focus on how to fight against tactics that bother the US army at that given time. Right now it is against terrorism, because the US army is mostly fighting against... terrorism. While I believe that during 1, 2 and 3 GW, there was also 4GW at work, but it didn't have such a priority in the US army agenda. I could agree with different types of warfare, but not with strict generations like the 4GW thesis gives us.

Oh, and I'm an Australian, jackass.  Sorry that doesn't fit into your petty insult slinging.

It's not you who thought up the 4GW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4GW

Finished Youth and Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Begun reading The end of the Tether by... Joseph Conrad

Unnng.

UNNNNNNNG....

All together now!

Cuts of his nads... I'm free! And a little dies inside of him. More dies over the years and in the end he lives the life of a hermit. Well, got to do something for my dear Eris right?

Thanks for the viewpoint BMW, I suppose like the rest of the stuff I write, this is only true in some sense 

I didn't mean it as a full explanation of the entire process of evolution, but perhaps I should rework it before adding it to any of my writings

I find it quite interesting that in your writings actually everything and everybody is right, as long as they live up to the formula of chaos, which will come naturally. The teachings of Discordia tell us that the Grey man made the order, not that the order was a result of ordering the chaos. The order is an illusion that needs to be shown as an illusion by Discordians. Like the kings clothes, our dear people are walking around in their order. As long as everybody is telling each other how wonderful their orderly clothes are, there will be order. Then it doesn't matter if the clothes are covered with anarchy, liberal, or even Discordian prints, as long as people have their order in their mind, there is no fun for Eris.

you might wanna keep em in one thread though.

agree

Hmmm, anti religious post modern, kind of predictable, but a nice try.

More chaos is needed, the self is an ordering force that wants the world to be layers surrounding the self. I would say that Eris asks us to let ALL order go and that would mean to not fall for the trap of the Grey man by creating an order of the self, while thinking that it is against the order of a religion, so it must be disorder.

  Read War and Peace by Tolstoy and you will also get a description of 4GW.

Oh yeah, sorry, doesn't fit in the US time line.