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Or Kill Me / Prepare for Aftermath
« on: April 05, 2020, 08:32:57 pm »
As Discordians,
As Popes,
As People,
As Cabbages,
As it comes to pass,

We know that history doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes, and the song goes

  • CHAOS, the raw and uncut -- becomes
  • DISCORD, the 0 and 1, which creates
  • CONFUSION, in which the pressure builds into
  • BUREAUCRACY, which grinds and grinds until it collapses into
  • AFTERMATH, the sunrise we watch together on the beach

and today, I tell you that today we are deep in SEASON FOUR, and the season finale is coming.

Eris charges us: Go Forth! and make preparations for AFTERMATH.
For lo, the next world,
though it is still just a dream,
is coming.

And it may be great, or it may be terrible,
but it is up to each of us.

And we tiny neurons in the sleeping mind of a giant,
I dream
you dream
and our dream is its dreams

And the giant was afraid of itself, so it divided itself up into tiny little parts, and the parts hated each other, and now it has self loathing and chronic pain.

And the giant was in love with itself, so pushed its ugliness under the surface, where it grew uglier and uglier and its beauty grew terrible.

And the giant didn't think about how it was going to die some day, so it trodded on and on, and it grinded itself down until it was sick and desperate and it forgot about what matters.

and the giant wants to change

and resisting that desire is all of its habits and patterns

and it's begging us now,
a quiet prayer,
in a dark room:

Light a candle.
Prepare for Aftermath.

Principia Discussion / Robert Anton Wilson Stand-Up
« on: April 03, 2020, 06:54:35 pm »
A classic discordian work: a stand-up set by Robert Anton Wilson.

Wilson's stage routine shares chords with George Carlin - he's funny, but he's also got a point to make.

This performance also explains Discordianism and ordains its viewers as Discordian Popes.

Aneristic Illusions / Sneak Preview of the Coming Surveillance State
« on: March 29, 2020, 02:06:38 pm »
Russia under President Vladimir Putin has pioneered authoritarian tech: Last year, the Kremlin leader approved measures that would enable the creation of a "sovereign" Russian internet, able to be firewalled from the rest of the world.

The Covid-19 pandemic is now giving Russian authorities an opportunity to test new powers and technology, and the country's privacy and free-speech advocates worry the government is building sweeping new surveillance capabilities.

Perhaps the most well-publicized tech tool in Russia's arsenal for fighting coronavirus is Moscow's massive facial-recognition system. Rolled out earlier this year, the surveillance system had originally prompted an unusual public backlash, with privacy advocates filing lawsuits over unlawful surveillance.
Coronavirus, however, has given an unexpected public-relations boost to the system.

Last week, Moscow police claimed to have caught and fined 200 people who violated quarantine and self-isolation using facial recognition and a 170,000-camera system. According to a Russian media report some of the alleged violators who were fined had been outside for less than half a minute before they were picked up by a camera.

"We want there to be even more cameras so that that there is no dark corner or side street left," Oleg Baranov, Moscow's police chief, said in a recent briefing, adding that the service is currently working to install an additional 9,000 cameras.

The system has also been used to analyze the social networks of those who have or are suspected of having coronavirus. Moscow Mayor Sergey Sobyanin described in his official blog how municipal authorities tracked a Chinese woman who flew to the city from Beijing back in February.

While a test eventually came back negative, Sobyanin said the authorities located the taxi driver who took the woman home from the airport, a friend she met outside her apartment block in violation of the quarantine, and collected data on all 600 people living in her building.

And then there's the use of geolocation to track coronavirus carriers. Epidemiologists see tracking and data-crunching as one important tool for tracking and localizing outbreaks, but Russia has taken a distinctive approach. Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin earlier this week ordered Russia's Ministry of Communications to roll out a tracking system based on "the geolocation data from the mobile providers for a specific person" by the end of this week.

In other words, the data hoovered up by the system will not be anonymous: According to a description in the government decree, information gathered under the tracking system will be used to send texts to those who have come into contact with a coronavirus carrier, and to notify regional authorities so they can put individuals into quarantine.

Such measures have prompted little public debate.

it goes on to describe similar (but less invasive) measures in South Korea, Israel, and the EU.

"The difference lies with the countries that have a higher culture of privacy and a significant limitation of access and use of this data," said Sarkis Darbinyan, a lawyer with Roskomsvoboda, a non-government organization that tracks online freedoms in Russia. "The scariest thing is that the epidemic will end someday, but these measures I'm sure will stay."

Apple Talk / Official Edict and Decree
« on: March 24, 2020, 06:18:52 pm »


Apple Talk / Quarantine Larps
« on: March 19, 2020, 02:49:04 pm »
I'm trying to come up with some ideas for silly little 2-page games you can play while under quarantine. I've got this idea I'm still braining through, and I figured I'd just toss the pieces up here and see if any of you brain-geniuses have any ideas. I don't know if anybody would actually play this, but as we go insane from boredom, it starts to get more likely.

The game is called What The Fuck is the Matrix. Give it a read here:

Lemme know if you have any other ideas or jokes I could add.

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Ancient Jericho
« on: February 26, 2020, 04:41:55 pm »
Recently watched a super interesting documentary about the city of Jericho. It's one of the most ancient cities in the world, perhaps as old as 10,000 BC. TEN THOUSAND BC! The mind reels to even imagine it.

The earliest ruins of Jericho are these circular houses. It seems like an extended family lived in one house, and there was a time that the entire city consisted of these dwellings.

The dwellings are interesting for a few reasons - one is that they're all the same. There didn't seem to be any class differences back then, or at least, we haven't found any evidence of some people living better than others. The organizations of houses suggest that there were different "tribes" within the city. Maybe independent tribes chose to live near each other and share resources -- that might be what the city originally was.

The other interesting thing is that each house has its own grain storage area, which tells us that everybody had control over their own food. This isn't true of other ancient prehistoric cities - in many of them, food was alotted and labor was organized by the priest class, who lived in opulence compared to regular people.

Many other ancient fertile-crescent proto-cities probably started as religious sites. Hunter/gatherers and eventually farmers would travel to visit temples and attend ceremonies. Likely, this is where/when agricultural knowledge was exchanged. Priests lived off of tributes, and it's possible that the world's first Ruling Class was a product of religious authority and central organization.

Jericho was eventually taken over by old empire Egyptians. At that point in the archaeological record, you see a big lifestyle change - there are no more of the round houses, and you start seeing temples and palaces and the signs of central organization.

In my imagination, this represents a fork in the history of humanity. Maybe there was a time when we lived in happy anarchy, with no incentive to war on each other or serve a ruling class. I mean, I'm sure people still murdered each other, and tribes probably had rivalries, but there might not have been WAR in the sense that we know it. The original people of Jerico shared space, cooperated.

But this style of civilization is almost defenseless against an organized military. It is a classic human pattern--a disorganized group is easily coopted and subsumed by an organized one. If, today, you start a commune where everyone is equal, it can only last so long until power is concentrated and culture is imposed from above rather than generated from below.

Those round, familial houses weren't unique to the city of Jericho itself -- there are settlements throughout that region which belonged to that culture. Over time, they were all conquered by the Egyptians, and that mode of living vanished from the earth.

The whole thing reminds me of the Coordination Trap. Like, the world would be better off without armies, but if one group has an army, then everybody has to have one or be conquered.

Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy reminds me of it too -- the martian colonists are originally scientists, who share resources and do not operate on capitalist logic. But once capitalists arrive, money is in the system, everybody begins to operate with money, private property, resource hoarding.... to ignore money is to become "poor". Private capital has a huge advantage over peaceful cooperative anarchy. A society of givers is vulnerable takers.

don't get me wrong, I would never want to live in the ancient world

but maybe, just maybe, we got it right--and then lost it

Apple Talk / Help me win some awards
« on: February 12, 2020, 03:13:53 pm »
Hey cats. So as most of you know, I work on this super wacky project whose name I don't want to write here, because I don't want this forum coming up when you google it. So I'm going to say the first word is Goat. The second word is Larp.

In the UK, there's a larp conference that has an award show. The owners told me that my game has a really good shot if we get a bunch of nominations in the "best international larp" and "best small larp" categories. (as they don't get a ton of submissions there)

Can you please go to this link, click on the form, and then nominate the game I wrote above? You don't have to fill in any comments, but it's also ok to make some shit up as long as it sounds like you might have been there.

Voting closes at 11pm uk time (6pm eastern time) tonight, so please do it!

Apple Talk / Nonviolent J Protest
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:42:22 pm »
2020 is already fucked

just opening a news website spikes my blood pressure

Government is broken

climate is broken

Humanity is broken

the insane posse is classified as a gang

I'm almost 40

fuck it... there's only one option left:

To become a fan of the Insane Clown Posse

I think that's what this world needs right now -- people in their 30s and 40s putting on bad clown makeup and spraying faygo everywhere

Honestly, it doesn't sound like a bad time.

We were just talking about it in #discord.. somebody posted some random ICP video and I was like "you know ... I don't actually hate this"

maybe we just hated them because it was fashionable, and also because of vanilla ice

And like, they're not even popular. There's no reason to get into them now. None.

But if you don't know how to relate to 2020, if you feel like everything is hopeless and frustrating -- this thread is for us

Aneristic Illusions / Reasons to Vote for Joe Biden
« on: January 29, 2020, 08:07:33 pm »
he visited you at the convalescent home

These days, we get revolutionary new science every few months. Some of it's good, some of it's bad, some of it is so wild that we can't predict what it'll actually be used for. When you see people on facebook/etc talking about any new tech, you will always see some variation of a line from Jurassic Park:

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didnít stop to think if they should."

also substitute "here comes skynet"

Lately, this sentiment has struck me as well-meaning but clueless, sorta like the statement "Stupid people shouldn't be allowed to have kids." Like, can you imagine how awful that would be in actual reality? Issuing pregnacy licenses, and linking them to some kind of intelligence test designed by white college-grads? ANY implementation would be a mess.

CAN YOU IMAGINE if research actually stopped because "it might lead to bad unintended consequences"? What would that look like 50, 100, 1000 years later?

We would have these FORBIDDEN TOPICS that you are not allowed to research or question. Machine Learning could be put in this black box where we try to keep it from being developed (though IDK how you'd even enforce that). We can't let the economy be destablized, so we need this check against researchers and scientists. They could be fined or jailed for researching Things That Lead to Skynet. And then we can enjoy civilization as it stands now, forever! Just imagine if the Ancient Greeks had adopted this policy, we'd still be wearing togas and yelling SPARTAAA at each other, like god intended.

and then --- I say that, but...
I guess the nuclear nonproliferation treaty basically IS what I'm describing.

Apple Talk / No News Is Good News
« on: January 21, 2020, 06:16:26 pm »
The news is stressing me out these days - so I'm going to completely unplug it, and only get my news from this thread.

Please let me know if anything important happens in the world. I will believe anything you post and will not do any fact checking.



Literate Chaotic / Misc. Occult Texts
« on: January 10, 2020, 03:01:59 pm »
Somebody in the Robert Anton Wilson Fans facebook group linked to his google drive folder, which is full of lunatic-fringe texts. Most of it is occult (he's definitely a Crowley collector), but there's a variety of esoterica, including a fair amount of RAW. I found some obscure Gurdjieff-related books in there too.

Mainly putting this here so I can find it later  :fnord:

Apple Talk / The God Helmet
« on: December 30, 2019, 01:58:52 pm »

Researchers developed a helmet that stimulates parts of the brain using "complex" magnetic fields ("approximately as strong as those generated by a land line telephone handset or an ordinary hair dryer, but far weaker than that of an ordinary refrigerator magnet and approximately a million times weaker than transcranial magnetic stimulation").

This causes some people to feel a "presence".

Some people report mystical experiences. Others report dizziness. Nobody's really been able to replicate the study, but let's put that aside for the moment. Let's say it's true, and that have identified the part of the brain involved in mystical experiences, and figured out backdoor ways to stimulate it. What does this mean? What happens next?

Apple Talk / Call It Now, Be Right Later: 2020 Edition
« on: December 30, 2019, 01:47:43 pm »
Here's the thread where you make your far out predictions about 2020. Later, you can bump this thread and say "See? I called it."

Here's mine:

  • Biden is the democratic candidate despite zero support from people under 35
  • One third of your facebook news feed is now basically 1950s-era public service videos
  • The Dune movie is good
  • We collectively recognize that facebook can never be neutral in politics, but don't stop using it anyway
  • VR finally takes off as a video game medium? No fuckin way. But the next gen consoles launch with some Elder Scrolls VR experience
  • Celebrities to get MeToo'd: Jeff Goldblum, Billy Dee Williams
  • More Movie/Franchise reboots: Big (featuring but not starring Tom Hanks character as a grown up), Dracula, E.T, and we're probably overdue for another Robin Hood or Peter Pan

Think for Yourself, Schmuck! / Eris, the Goddess of Strife
« on: December 28, 2019, 03:01:38 pm »
What does it mean when we say we Discordians venerate Eris as a Goddess of Strife?

Look, the world's a rough place. I am not cheering for suffering. I do not want violence and disorder in of themselves -- I only want them if they are in service to a genuinely better world. But it's the better world I want, not the strife.

(they say -- in a world of whoop whoop shirtless screaming anarchy, the discordians would be writing laws and building bridges)

I want to discuss the role of strife in service to evolution. This is, I think, how we Discordians can relate to Eris in the world of trump and fake news and extreme polarization and cats and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

Dialectics - the way things evolve:

1. Something is asserted or created
2. Something else reacts to it, usually based on a flaw in that thing
3. From contact between these two forces, the original something is revised, adapted, fine-tuned, or better expressed

A few quick examples-----

1. I explain some point or position
2. Somebody points out a flaw in my reasoning
3. I revise my position, taking into account the thing I didn't understand before

1. Slavery exists
2. Sensitivity to injustice leads to abolitionist thinking, which leads to civil war
3. Slavery is, for the most part, repealed (except the parts we tolerate, like it's fine for criminals I guess?)

1. Government implements some policy
2. The people who hate it protest, revolt, etc
3. Reforms / revolution / the old way is replaced by the new way

1. I'm hungy and I suggest that we get takeout AGAIN
2. My fiance reminds me of how much I spent at the bar last night
3. We eat in

1. A hypothesis is asserted
2. It is tested, its flaws are exposed
3. The hypothesis is defeated or revised, becoming closer to truth

1. I do something shitty
2. eventually I perceive that shittiness and feel genuinely bad about it
3. I become the person that doesn't do that thing anymore

1. Thesis
2. Antithesis
3. Synthesis

I conceptualize these three steps as three "forces" present in the universe.

The third force, the reconciling force, the revised position, the inner truth, the holy part, will only appear once the first two forces are in sufficient STRIFE. They must come into contact and really war with each other.

Most of history can be understood as the interplay of dialectical forces. And I'll go out on a limb to suggest that all of your personal moments of evolution are the product of two forces coming into contact within you and something else emerging.

Consider the drunk, caterwauling through the streets at night. Someone opens a window and shouts SHUT THE FUCK UP. But the drunk does not hear it, or does not care, becuase of Jack Daniels - there is no contact. The strife has not yet reached the level to affect the original position. But down on the street level, someone confronts the drunk directly "GET OUTTA HERE OR I'LL BEAT YOUR ASS LIKE EGGS" - something gets through to him and he calms down or clams up. Or maybe he's too drunk to comprehend even that--and instead, communication must take place using the ancient language of pushing and hitting and saying "Oh a wise guy, eh?" and three-stooges style whackbonk.

You can visualize this exchange as two forces in opposition - only when they are evenly matched will the drunk recognize his own behavior. Too much sauce, and the drunk will not become self aware. Too much opposition, and we enter a cycle of provocation and violence with no introspection.

And so when we praise Eris, Goddess of Strife, perhaps what we are really saying is that we want things to Get Real.. We want the confrontation between the world that is and the world that could be. We want the flaws in What Is to be demolished by truth, evolution, understanding, introspection. We want the truth that's been tested, the self that's been in the crucible, the reasoning that's been picked apart and scraped clean, the society that's been reconciled.

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