James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
Aw, I like Emily Dickenson. :( And Bronte. :(
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
Aw, I like Emily Dickenson. :( And Bronte. :(
Me too. Because one knows that "moon" rhymes with "orange", and the other wrote incredibly depressing and vapid novels that made me want to shoot myself in the face with a bazooka.
Little known fact: The Martian invaders weren't killed off by bacteria, but by Emily Dickenson's poetry. She was, of course, dead by then, but that doesn't seem to have slowed her down.
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Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
Aw, I like Emily Dickenson. :( And Bronte. :(
Me too. Because one knows that "moon" rhymes with "orange", and the other wrote incredibly depressing and vapid novels that made me want to shoot myself in the face with a bazooka.
Yeah. Bronte made me want to stab myself in the temple. Instead I opted to wing it on the test.
I'm actually inclined to agree with a lot of those. I suppose some of them hold some allure for certain tastes, but never should they have been "classical" writers with cultural sway.
I don't think I ever had to read any Bronte in school. But I was subjected to Joyce and plenty of Dickenson. Though, to be perfectly honest, I think the only literature I enjoyed in school was Poe.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 25, 2010, 08:52:28 PM
I don't think I ever had to read any Bronte in school. But I was subjected to Joyce and plenty of Dickenson. Though, to be perfectly honest, I think the only literature I enjoyed in school was Poe.
Poe was okay as a novelist.
But with only one exception (The Raven), he should have had a toe pulled off for every poem he wrote.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 25, 2010, 08:52:28 PM
I don't think I ever had to read any Bronte in school. But I was subjected to Joyce and plenty of Dickenson. Though, to be perfectly honest, I think the only literature I enjoyed in school was Poe.
For me they assigned the Bronte sisters as much as Shakespeare.
Byron? really? I could go either way on his writing, but by all accounts, he was a hell of a character. He was the first modern style celebrity. Most fictional anti-heroes (like batman or the vampire lestat) are based off of him.
I am 100% with you on Dickinson. Haven't read a sufficient amount of the others.
*Jenne slinks off, dejected, as her girlhood literary heroes are obliterated into dust*
Actually, I read more Agatha Christie, Conan Doyle and Dorothy L Sayers than anything until h.s. And even through h.s.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 25, 2010, 08:55:07 PM
Byron? really? I could go either way on his writing, but by all accounts, he was a hell of a character. He was the first modern style celebrity. Most fictional anti-heroes (like batman or the vampire lestat) are based off of him.
I am 100% with you on Dickinson. Haven't read a sufficient amount of the others.
So he was like Paris Hilton with less opportunities to bathe.
And if he inspired Lestat, he should be turfed up and sprayed onto a landfill.
Well, what's cool about Byron is that he got Shelley to write that fantastic piece of simple yet poignant fiction based on a conversation about Darwin, Frankenstein.
He did write some wankage, I agree, but the LIFE, man, the LIFE.
Agreed with everything except Joyce. I'm often surprised he's considered a classic author simply because I enjoy reading him so much, and I usually hate reading the "classics". His style indulges a certain passion of mine that I can't really explain, and his way of writing things that seem a little "off" while also being so very "right on" with a certain conception I have of what he's describing, which affirms the conception of mine that I always felt was "off", compared to others'.
Quote from: NWC on August 25, 2010, 09:03:38 PM
Agreed with everything except Joyce. I'm often surprised he's considered a classic author simply because I enjoy reading him so much,
Do you also hold your cigarettes backwards?
I find Byron to be passible... Joyce is interesting from a 'what the hell is this drunk irishman trying to say' sort of perspective. When I read him I wasn't doing much else in my life so the word games were fun... but I never understood why so many people thought his writing was amazing (I also am baffled by RAW's obsession with Joyce).
I really liked Dickenson, but the rest were meh... not horrible, but definitely not writers on the level of Poe, Twain, Dumas, etc.
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Agreed with everything except Joyce. I'm often surprised he's considered a classic author simply because I enjoy reading him so much,
Do you also hold your cigarettes backwards?
I quit smoking a long time ago.
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Quote from: NWC on August 25, 2010, 09:03:38 PM
Agreed with everything except Joyce. I'm often surprised he's considered a classic author simply because I enjoy reading him so much,
Do you also hold your cigarettes backwards?
I quit smoking a long time ago.
Beret?
I like Dickenson, but only for one poem. The rest I haven't read enough to have an opinion about them.
I wonder, if Starbucks Libertarians read Homer and the Icelandic sagas, would they be less of pretentious pricks?
Quote from: Cramulus on August 25, 2010, 08:55:07 PM
So he was like Paris Hilton with less opportunities to bathe.
Kinda.
He was the first person to have his portrait drawn "as a man of action", instead of holding a quill or book or something lame and typical of the era.
He certainly knew how to party -- Lady Caroline Lamb described him as "mad, bad and dangerous to know".
The "Byronic Hero" refers to somebody who pretty much ignores society's rules and the typical things associated with heroism. Despite being "good guys", they're actually quite flawed. Without Byron, we probably wouldn't have Gollum, Holden Caufield, Batman (the Dark Knight version, not the Adam West version) Tyler Durden, Han Solo, Jack Sparrow, or Spider Jerusalem.
I admit I'm a bit biased - I play a LARP character based loosely on a reformed Lord Byron. :p
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Okay, I never looked at it that way. That's actually pretty awesome.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
I have to agree, though I will say that some of Yeats work as far as history goes, was not gaggingly terrible.
I would add
Charlotte Bronte
Anne Bronte
John Bunyan
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
John Milton
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
I have to agree, though I will say that some of Yeats work as far as history goes, was not gaggingly terrible.
I would add
Charlotte Bronte
Anne Bronte
John Bunyan
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
John Milton
Yes. Also Goethe. Marlow or GTFO.
Paradise Lost, seriously?
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Quote from: Kai on August 25, 2010, 09:23:10 PM
Paradise Lost, seriously?
Yeah I gotta agree with that too. Paradise Lost had some promise but got kinda boring.
Plus the idea of Lucifer inventing cannons... it's just... no.
Well, at least no one on my shelf has been mentioned yet.
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
Also, that damned idiot, James Cooper that wrote the Deerstalker/Pathfinder/Last of the Mohicans bullshit.... I wanted to stab my eyes out. I was partially rewarded years later when I read Mark Twain's essay on the author and books.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I like Jules Verne :argh!:
Now I am going to add all the other authors you don't like to my read list.
I think Jules Verne would have been OK if he had a good editor.
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Jules Verne was important to the science fiction field in its early days. But it reads like 3 day old shit.
Some people think he invented science fiction, but that credit goes to Mary Shelley.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I like Jules Verne :argh!:
Now I am going to add all the other authors you don't like to my read list.
Mission accomplished.
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Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I like Jules Verne :argh!:
Now I am going to add all the other authors you don't like to my read list.
Mission accomplished.
:| :|
:argh!:
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Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:30:54 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 09:28:16 PM
Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Jules Verne was important to the science fiction field in its early days. But it reads like 3 day old shit.
Some people think he invented science fiction, but that credit goes to Mary Shelley.
I think I figured out a good test for good literature:
Find it on Librivox and have it read out loud to you. If by chapter 3 you don't want to kill a motherfucker, you've chosen a true piece of lit. If, however, you find yourself wanting to murder, strangle, maim or otherwise do violence to either the person reading the thing out loud OR its author,
then it's shit.
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Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Jules Verne was important to the science fiction field in its early days. But it reads like 3 day old shit.
Some people think he invented science fiction, but that credit goes to Mary Shelley.
I think I figured out a good test for good literature:
Find it on Librivox and have it read out loud to you. If by chapter 3 you don't want to kill a motherfucker, you've chosen a true piece of lit. If, however, you find yourself wanting to murder, strangle, maim or otherwise do violence to either the person reading the thing out loud OR its author,
then it's shit.
I don't know. I found Iliad on there, and it was a translation I didn't particularly like by a reader I didn't particularly like listening to (had no ability for epic poetry) and I had to turn it off during chapter 2. It's not universal.
But then, I prefer reading it out loud to myself late at night and freaking my roommates out with my whispers of the bloody death scenes.
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
Quote from: Hover Cat on August 25, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
:mittens:
I've read almost no "classic" literature. I think this fall I'm going to tackle Moby Dick though, as my heritage demands it.
Also, fuck Jack London.
To be honest, I am not a huge Dickens fan either...
Nor was I overjoyed with Longfellow...
Damn how terrible of a person does that probably make me? :lulz:
All literature is shit except Ayn Rand.
I will take this moment to throw out props to Robert Louis Stevenson and Johnathon Swift.
ETA: And Kipling.
Quote from: Hover Cat on August 25, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
I liked it, because of the Horrible Doom factor, but I'd have ended it differently.
Daisy had syphilis, Tom died of genital warts, and Nick Carroway watched it all in mounting horror, then made off with the silverware and the maid.
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 25, 2010, 10:04:20 PM
I will take this moment to throw out props to Robert Louis Stevenson and Johnathon Swift.
ETA: And Kipling.
Yes, yes, and HELL YES.
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Quote from: Ratatosk on August 25, 2010, 10:04:20 PM
I will take this moment to throw out props to Robert Louis Stevenson and Johnathon Swift.
ETA: And Kipling.
Yes, yes, and HELL YES.
Tho' I've belted you and flayed you, By the livin' Gawd that made you, You're a better man than I am, Gunga Din!
Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Quote from: Hover Cat on August 25, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
another one of my favorite books
im going to stop reading this thread it's crap
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Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Yes, but you're Canadian, and allowances have to be made.
Dok,
Has watched CBC.
I have a sort of love-hate with everyone on the list so far. So I'm going to suggestion Alexander Dumas for The Count of Monte Cristo. We had to read that in high school. The books we got were yellowed, crackling hard covers fished out of a landfill somewhere - they smelled like shit and the type was so small you needed a magnifying glass to read the crumbling, urine-stained pages. It was hell and made the story hell.
I'd like to add Louisa May Alcott's stuff, too. My English teacher tried to tell us she was striking out and having a career in a day when women couldn't do that - but she had to write because her dad was a POS and it was that or starve.
. . . I think I'm more irritated by the lies my teachers told than the books themselves. Hmm.
Arthur Miller for The Crucible
and Nathaniel Hawthorne for The Scarlet Letter.
And Charlotte Perkins Gilman should BURN IN A FIRE OF FLAMES for The Yellow Wallpaper. So much hate. So much stab-it-with-a-pitchfork-dipped-in-pitch-and-lit hate.
I feel better now.
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Personally, I like Byron and Jules Verne. And the next person who goes after Jack London is going to be gunned down.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
I've never read a single one of 'em.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 10:15:51 PM
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Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Yes, but you're Canadian, and allowances have to be made.
Dok,
Has watched CBC.
I have an extensive first old book collection, including the first collection of Emily Dickinson's poetry published in Canada - which by the way I love.
Fuck this
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: Hover Cat on August 25, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
I liked it, because of the Horrible Doom factor, but I'd have ended it differently.
Daisy had syphilis, Tom died of genital warts, and Nick Carroway watched it all in mounting horror, then made off with the silverware and the maid.
No no no no no. You CANNOT de-select authors based on how you'd write their awful stories.
/just being mean b/c I really do like Goethe
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Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Yes, but you're Canadian, and allowances have to be made.
Dok,
Has watched CBC.
I have an extensive first old book collection, including the first collection of Emily Dickinson's poetry published in Canada - which by the way I love.
Fuck this
Aw, buck up--I like Emily Dickinson too. :D
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Quote from: Jenne on August 25, 2010, 09:24:06 PM
LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Jules Verne was important to the science fiction field in its early days. But it reads like 3 day old shit.
Some people think he invented science fiction, but that credit goes to Mary Shelley.
I think I figured out a good test for good literature:
Find it on Librivox and have it read out loud to you. If by chapter 3 you don't want to kill a motherfucker, you've chosen a true piece of lit. If, however, you find yourself wanting to murder, strangle, maim or otherwise do violence to either the person reading the thing out loud OR its author,
then it's shit.
I don't know. I found Iliad on there, and it was a translation I didn't particularly like by a reader I didn't particularly like listening to (had no ability for epic poetry) and I had to turn it off during chapter 2. It's not universal.
But then, I prefer reading it out loud to myself late at night and freaking my roommates out with my whispers of the bloody death scenes.
I know, my theory had holes. :D Trust Kai to point them out (you're too smart, Kai, shoo!).
But still, if you can sit through shittily read chapter after chapter and NOT want to commit some sort of felony against a person, with blood involved, then you probably have a quality piece of work on your hands.
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck,
Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
Quote from: Jenne on August 26, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
I have no problem with cougars, just the creepy ones.
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Quote from: Jenne on August 26, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
I have no problem with cougars, just the creepy ones.
But if they don't creep, their prey will see them.
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What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
I have no problem with cougars, just the creepy ones.
But if they don't creep, their prey will see them.
Exactly, easier for me to spot them.
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Quote from: Jenne on August 26, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
I have no problem with cougars, just the creepy ones.
But if they don't creep, their prey will see them.
Exactly, easier for me to spot them.
touché
So Derp, who is the hunter and who is the hunted in your scenario? Or is that a little up to the observer's interpretation?
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Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Yes, but you're Canadian, and allowances have to be made.
Dok,
Has watched CBC.
I have an extensive first old book collection, including the first collection of Emily Dickinson's poetry published in Canada - which by the way I love.
Fuck this
Aw, buck up--I like Emily Dickinson too. :D
its not so much a matter of like/dislike
but more of one of understanding/not understanding
identifying/ not identifying
Instead apparently it's taking one of the few things humans do well, probably the only, telling stories and bitching.
Creepy's in the eye of the beholder, I guess.
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Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2010, 09:21:03 PM
Miguel de Cervantes - yeah I said it. I hated Don Quixote, longest, most boring book I ever read! UGH!
:cry:
Don Quixote is my favorite book
Yes, but you're Canadian, and allowances have to be made.
Dok,
Has watched CBC.
I have an extensive first old book collection, including the first collection of Emily Dickinson's poetry published in Canada - which by the way I love.
Fuck this
Aw, buck up--I like Emily Dickinson too. :D
its not so much a matter of like/dislike
but more of one of understanding/not understanding
identifying/ not identifying
Instead apparently it's taking one of the few things humans do well, probably the only, telling stories and bitching.
Well, I guess what you're saying is taste is according to what you can identify with...
I also think a book is the only thing of beauty mankind has ever made
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on August 26, 2010, 01:37:14 AM
I also think a book is the only thing of beauty mankind has ever made
Naw. Wait till you have kids.
Also, paintings and music are also pretty cool.
Again, I think books and literature and stories are all both self and shared expression. Since you have to engage your reader/listener, you have to relate it to them so they're interested. A tricky business.
It would be interesting to find out from the literary community what, indeed, constitutes a piece of LITERATURE as opposed to just fiction.
Used to teach music to kids for years
kept making me bitter
:sad:
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LOVE Goethe!
And if you thought Don Quixote was bad, you should read motherfucking 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea! OMG WORST BOOK EVER
Don't get me started on Jules Verne.
I just did! And really, he belongs on your OP list, because I really like a few of those others. At least I did in h.s. Now, admittedly, I'd probably find them vapid.
Jules Verne was important to the science fiction field in its early days. But it reads like 3 day old shit.
Some people think he invented science fiction, but that credit goes to Mary Shelley.
I enjoy his stuff, but it kinda reminds me of L Frank Baum, good ideas that he doesn't really explore properly.
Shelley was also a much more engaging writer.
Quote from: Khara on August 25, 2010, 10:01:26 PM
To be honest, I am not a huge Dickens fan either...
Nor was I overjoyed with Longfellow...
Damn how terrible of a person does that probably make me? :lulz:
Dickens suffered from the fact that he was paid by the word.
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Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Quote from: Nigel on August 25, 2010, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
I've never read a single one of 'em.
8):hi5::)
Same here.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
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Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on August 26, 2010, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
In some cases. You should read the prince, it's not very long, it's written in fairly simple language, and it helps with playing boardgames too, not just ruling countries.
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:09:06 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:02:56 AM
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Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
In some cases. You should read the prince, it's not very long, it's written in fairly simple language, and it helps with playing boardgames too, not just ruling countries.
Hmm... Will do then. After I move, naturally.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on August 26, 2010, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
Only if it was less risky than being a total douche-fag. Since he was writing
The Prince to a ruler who could be decently accurately compared to Al Capone in his heyday, it seems to me it was more like "You should maybe be a little nicer, but then, you're doing pretty good as it is, so keep doin' what you're doin'. i can haz jailbreak??" He did write it while in prison, ya know.
In all honesty though, he tended to be more in-between and less extreme than people give credit, but he did tend to favor the "bad guy" way of doing things in most issues. Example: "Is it better to be loved than feared? My reply is one ought to be both loved and feared; but since it is difficult to accomplish both at the same time, I maintain it is much safer to be feared than loved..."
Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:17:37 AM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:02:56 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on August 26, 2010, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
Only if it was less risky than being a total douche-fag. Since he was writing The Prince to a ruler who could be decently accurately compared to Al Capone in his heyday, it seems to me it was more like "You should maybe be a little nicer, but then, you're doing pretty good as it is, so keep doin' what you're doin'. i can haz jailbreak??" He did write it while in prison, ya know.
In all honesty though, he tended to be more in-between and less extreme than people give credit, but he did tend to favor the "bad guy" way of doing things in most issues. Example: "Is it better to be loved than feared? My reply is one ought to be both loved and feared; but since it is difficult to accomplish both at the same time, I maintain it is much safer to be feared than loved..."
I guess that the advice is also tailored to a sort of long term vs. short term goal. Do you want all the power and to hell with your kids and country? Be a douche. Do you want to have your country have longstanding influence in the area? Be a solid dude.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:21:35 AM
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Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on August 26, 2010, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
Only if it was less risky than being a total douche-fag. Since he was writing The Prince to a ruler who could be decently accurately compared to Al Capone in his heyday, it seems to me it was more like "You should maybe be a little nicer, but then, you're doing pretty good as it is, so keep doin' what you're doin'. i can haz jailbreak??" He did write it while in prison, ya know.
In all honesty though, he tended to be more in-between and less extreme than people give credit, but he did tend to favor the "bad guy" way of doing things in most issues. Example: "Is it better to be loved than feared? My reply is one ought to be both loved and feared; but since it is difficult to accomplish both at the same time, I maintain it is much safer to be feared than loved..."
I guess that the advice is also tailored to a sort of long term vs. short term goal. Do you want all the power and to hell with your kids and country? Be a douche. Do you want to have your country have longstanding influence in the area? Be a solid dude.
I can't find it off hand, but he mentions somewhere that whenever one acquires a free city (that is, one that isn't used to have a prince of Machiavelli's definition), he or she should burn it to the ground because once the people have tasted freedom they will be unlikely to bow to a prince. So... yeah.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on August 26, 2010, 02:21:35 AM
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Quote from: BabylonHoruv on August 26, 2010, 02:01:35 AM
Quote from: Lord Derp Esquire on August 26, 2010, 12:53:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. James Semaj on August 25, 2010, 11:04:07 PM
Ayn Rand. The woman couldn't write, and her philosophy was just a reaction to her upbringing in the USSR.
Not to mention nothing even remotely good has ever come about from her philosophy besides Bioshock.
I mean think of all the bullshit shes given us, Tea Baggers, Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck, Bioshock 2.
Machiavelli has done more good for the world than her, and he could actually write too.
Plus she was practically the patron saint of creepy cougars.
Machiavelli has done a lot of good. If we are going to be ruled by evil they could at least do it right.
Never read him, but didn't he conclude that it was more strategic to be a benevolent ruler?
Only if it was less risky than being a total douche-fag. Since he was writing The Prince to a ruler who could be decently accurately compared to Al Capone in his heyday, it seems to me it was more like "You should maybe be a little nicer, but then, you're doing pretty good as it is, so keep doin' what you're doin'. i can haz jailbreak??" He did write it while in prison, ya know.
In all honesty though, he tended to be more in-between and less extreme than people give credit, but he did tend to favor the "bad guy" way of doing things in most issues. Example: "Is it better to be loved than feared? My reply is one ought to be both loved and feared; but since it is difficult to accomplish both at the same time, I maintain it is much safer to be feared than loved..."
I guess that the advice is also tailored to a sort of long term vs. short term goal. Do you want all the power and to hell with your kids and country? Be a douche. Do you want to have your country have longstanding influence in the area? Be a solid dude.
I read it as 'it is imperative that you be seen to be good and benevolent. You must keep this appearance up no matter what you do. If it's possible to actually BE good and benevolent as well, all the better.
QuoteExample: "Is it better to be loved than feared? My reply is one ought to be both loved and feared; but since it is difficult to accomplish both at the same time, I maintain it is much safer to be feared than loved..."
I prefer the Vetinari approach. It's better to be permanent than either of the other two.
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Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:17:37 AM
He did write it while in prison, ya know.
Wasn't it exile?
I don't think so. I could be wrong though. Either way, he was being punished for his role in the pre-Medici government and trying to get into the leader's good graces by half-ass agreeing with his policies. He did eventually get to return to Florence (or get out of prison, whichever).
Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:58:14 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 26, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:17:37 AM
He did write it while in prison, ya know.
Wasn't it exile?
I don't think so. I could be wrong though. Either way, he was being punished for his role in the pre-Medici government and trying to get into the leader's good graces by half-ass agreeing with his policies. He did eventually get to return to Florence (or get out of prison, whichever).
Exile. And no, he died outside Florence iirc.
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Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:58:14 AM
Quote from: Epimetheus on August 26, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:17:37 AM
He did write it while in prison, ya know.
Wasn't it exile?
I don't think so. I could be wrong though. Either way, he was being punished for his role in the pre-Medici government and trying to get into the leader's good graces by half-ass agreeing with his policies. He did eventually get to return to Florence (or get out of prison, whichever).
Exile. And no, he died outside Florence iirc.
Really? I was pretty sure he got to go home and spend the last however many years of his life writing letters and such. Then again he might have lived outside of Florence anyway... I will have to find my comprehensive Machiavelli book and look at it again....
I like Byron as a personality, and his poetry was certainly the best of his contemporaries....but, well, when you're up against foppish Royalists like William Wordsworth, that isn't exactly hard.
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Quote from: Epimetheus on August 26, 2010, 02:45:57 AM
Quote from: phoenixofdiscordia on August 26, 2010, 02:17:37 AM
He did write it while in prison, ya know.
Wasn't it exile?
I don't think so. I could be wrong though. Either way, he was being punished for his role in the pre-Medici government and trying to get into the leader's good graces by half-ass agreeing with his policies. He did eventually get to return to Florence (or get out of prison, whichever).
Exile. And no, he died outside Florence iirc.
Really? I was pretty sure he got to go home and spend the last however many years of his life writing letters and such. Then again he might have lived outside of Florence anyway... I will have to find my comprehensive Machiavelli book and look at it again....
He was exiled from political life in Florence, and his estate was just outside the city. It wasn't exile in the formal sense, it's just no-one was going to let someone like him near political office ever again.
Also, The Prince is halfway between a satire and the world's longest job application letter. The advice in it was all good advice for an absolute ruler, no doubt....but it's point was to draw comparison between the spritual rhetoric and ugly power politics of the Vatican. He also hoped it would get him back in the graces of the Medici and make them forget certain choice paragraphs about assassination and plots in his Discourses on Livy (it didn't).
He spent his years outside of office writing bawdy, satirical plays, which were highly popular throughout northern Italy, and tended to take very sharp swipes at the priesthood and their claims to piety, and possibly plotting against the Medici, though nothing was ever proven.
Also, Ayn Rand is in no sense a "classical" writer.
Quote from: Jenne on August 26, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
What's wrong with creepy cougars? *she says with an ear-to-ear grin*
Creepy cougars are one of life's great pleasures, unless they look like Ayn Rand.
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Quote from: Nigel on August 25, 2010, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 25, 2010, 08:42:32 PM
James Joyce
Emily Bronte
Thomas Hardy
Lord Byron
Emily Dickenson
William Butler Yeats
All of the above wrote pure shit, and should have been infected with smallpox and dropped down a convenient sewer.
I've never read a single one of 'em.
8):hi5::)
Same here.
Thirded. PDX anti-lit crew FTW!
The only author I really have ever followed is Ray Bradbury. I love The Martian Chronicles, definitely my favorite book ever. The Illustrated Man was also very good. But I suppose he's not really a "classical" author.
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 25, 2010, 09:59:59 PM
Also, fuck Jack London.
When I was 12 years old the only thing I could think of I wanted was a copy of The Call of the Wild. I still have that copy.
I have one somewhere too. I actually enjoyed it when I read it as a kid. Maybe I should dust it off and give it another go.
Hey, anyone mentioned Hemingway yet?
Fuck that guy.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 26, 2010, 01:58:36 PM
The only author I really have ever followed is Ray Bradbury. I love The Martian Chronicles, definitely my favorite book ever. The Illustrated Man was also very good. But I suppose he's not really a "classical" author.
hell yeah ray bradbury!!
The Martial Chronicles are what got me into Lord Byron to begin with
I've got that poem "So we'll go no more a roving" memorized.
The piece of Martian Chronicles that really grabbed me was the scene of the automated house on Mars that was left abandoned when everyone went back to Earth. The house basically slowly ate itself and became a big pile of smoldering ruin. It really crystallized the narrative of the whole book.
Also the closing of the book, when the Dad promises to take the kids to see Martians, they look into a pond, and see their reflections.
I may have to read this now.
It was written back in the 50s but is still very relevant. There are so many current day issues that are part of the overall narrative of The Martian Chronicles. From xenophobia and bigotry to environmental issues.
Ray Bradbury is an awesome storyteller. Farenheit 451 is still one of my all-time favorites.
I agree as does this girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1IxOS4VzKM
NSFW... well, at least not the audio bits.
Ray Bradbury thinks Obama needs to go to the moon
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/08/ray-bradbury-is-sick-of-big-government-our-country-is-in-need-of-a-revolution-.html
Quote"He should be announcing that we should go back to the moon... We should never have left there. We should go to the moon and prepare a base to fire a rocket off to Mars and then go to Mars and colonize Mars. Then when we do that, we will live forever."
Old Man is Old. But still...interesting theory...
I just got back (5 minutes ago) from an exam on european literature, and I don't think there's a better way to make people hate literature.
For just 1/4 of the exam(which was simply enormous), we were given a list of 25 authors, and for each one we had to know their biography, their style, and extracts of 4-8 books. They presented an extract from one of those 4-8 books, and we had to recognise the author and the book(or play or poem) and then write everything about the author. I now have a list of 25 authors that I hate, due to having been forced to study them in such a way.
(I did recognize the author, btw, I would have been seriously pissed otherwise)
Arthur Miller needs to be added to the list.
I remember reading Death of A Salesman when I was about 14. The damn book was so relentlessy depressing it made me want to commit suicide, let alone the main character. The Crucible might've been good, sure, and getting it on with Marilyn Monroe gets him mad bragging privileges, but nothing makes up for that piece of shit he wrote. Nothing.
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Quote from: Hover Cat on August 25, 2010, 09:47:18 PM
Let's add F. Scott Fitzgerald to this list. The Great Gatsby is a fucking awful novel.
I liked it, because of the Horrible Doom factor, but I'd have ended it differently.
Daisy had syphilis, Tom died of genital warts, and Nick Carroway watched it all in mounting horror, then made off with the silverware and the maid.
Bahhhhahahahahahahahahahahaha
that just made my morning
Quote from: Cain on January 15, 2012, 03:46:14 PM
Arthur Miller needs to be added to the list.
I remember reading Death of A Salesman when I was about 14. The damn book was so relentlessy depressing it made me want to commit suicide, let alone the main character. The Crucible might've been good, sure, and getting it on with Marilyn Monroe gets him mad bragging privileges, but nothing makes up for that piece of shit he wrote. Nothing.
Thats funny because my father said basically the same thing like 10 or so years ago. Well, save the Marylin part :Lulz:
Reading Death of A Salesman is like watching a puppy being put down. In slow motion. And on black and white film. Every waking minute for the rest of your life.
Forcing teenagers to read Death of A Salesman would be the best thing about being a high-school English teacher.
Quote from: PeregrineBF on January 15, 2012, 06:49:01 PM
Forcing teenagers to read Death of A Salesman would be the best thing about being a high-school English teacher.
Forcing them to actually perform the play is so much better, though. I've seen two collegiate and one high-school production and I don't think I'm too far out on a limb saying that Willy Loman may be just a tad outside the range of your average teen or early 20's actor.
I think I saw an old black and white production of Death of a Salesman several years ago. I only remember bits of it, but it was ok. Not something I'd seek out again, but eh.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 25, 2010, 10:27:01 PM
Arthur Miller for The Crucible
and Nathaniel Hawthorne for The Scarlet Letter.
I love both of these books to bits and won't hear a word against them.
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
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Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
Disclaimer: His face is not currently in that position; it is currently stuck to the ceiling. You may require a step ladder.
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Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
Disclaimer: His face is not currently in that position; it is currently stuck to the ceiling. You may require a step ladder.
:potd:
I flat out cackled at that.
Cackled.
My office is now looking at me more strangely than usual.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 18, 2013, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
Disclaimer: His face is not currently in that position; it is currently stuck to the ceiling. You may require a step ladder.
:( Still wouldn't fuck with.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 18, 2013, 03:53:38 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 18, 2013, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
Disclaimer: His face is not currently in that position; it is currently stuck to the ceiling. You may require a step ladder.
:potd:
I flat out cackled at that.
Cackled.
My office is now looking at me more strangely than usual.
I'm not well. :lulz:
Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:53:53 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on November 18, 2013, 03:38:47 PM
Quote from: Faust on November 18, 2013, 03:19:31 PM
Hemingway dares you to come and say that to his face
Disclaimer: His face is not currently in that position; it is currently stuck to the ceiling. You may require a step ladder.
:( Still wouldn't fuck with.
Wise move. Ernie is tougher without a face than most people who have
two. He was Dick Cheney in an alternate universe.