Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
I do this because I care.
I do this because I'm bored.
Remember, its all a sociological experiment. "You are doing exactly as I planned. My god you are all so predictable." Repeat until you believe it.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2019, 05:07:14 PM
I do this because I care.
Quote from: sydney on August 30, 2019, 05:50:53 PM
This: time flows backward 2x3x5 seconds per half hour. Maybe someday this will all be history. Until then, *HCE*. WTFO? Don't panic
Did I say something? Soon.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 30, 2019, 06:28:30 PM
I would be amused by what RWHN things about the vaping "epidemic" screeching that is now in vogue.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on August 31, 2019, 02:35:52 PM
So he comes back here and we send him back to Nancy with his tail between his legs to weep and wail and ask why she hath forsaken him all over again.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on August 31, 2019, 02:07:09 PMQuote from: Team player on August 31, 2019, 01:33:15 PM...and it reappears. Which means it must have notifications turned on for its own threads, but otherwise isn't interested in this forum. How... narcissistic.
I bet you would.
Narcissism...I wonder if I can work with that. This might be an interesting experiment.
Quote from: Pergamos on July 15, 2019, 05:06:24 AMQuote from: Norman on July 13, 2019, 10:35:31 PMQuote from: Pergamos on July 13, 2019, 09:06:58 PMQuote from: Norman on July 12, 2019, 08:31:15 PMQuote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 12, 2019, 07:19:48 PMQuote from: Norman on July 12, 2019, 05:17:26 PM
At the same time, Congress is a numbers game. Which I think, like her or don't like her, is ultimately where Pelosi is coming from. The Dems in the House can do shit if they are in the minority. With a majority, they may not be able to do what the liberal wing of the party wants done, but they can do more than zero.
I think that is where the rub is. Pelosi and establishment want to move the ball to see if they can smash their way to a first down, AOC et al want to get a touch down on first possession.
Of course the reality is with an R Senate and White House, it's not like there's too much the D's can accomplish, but whatever possibilities there might be, it certainly isn't going to be with a red-meat liberal initiative.
So in other words, we have to accept a moderate centrist agenda to achieve the agenda we need a buck short and a day late.
Yes, because like it or not, the American electorate is, at best, center-left. AOC will get re-elected in her District all day long. Meanwhile, in Maine's northern district, we have center-Left Jared Golden. Now, he's not a Pelosi fan, he voted against her speakership in fact, but overall, much more moderate than AOC. You will never, get someone like AOC elected in that district. Golden won his election by miniscule numbers, he was lucky. It's a center-right district.
That's what you have to contend with. To have more progressive/liberals, you have to have massive changes in the electorates in those regions, or catch lightning in a bottle and nominate someone who can win over right-leaning districts with personality to distract from their policy positions. You might get lucky and do that in a few districts, but not on a scale to significantly tip the House to the progressive left.
So given that reality, those numbers, is it best to get something or nothing? That's where Pelosi is coming from. And she's right. Because the math is the math.
It's important to look at the popularity of policy in places like that. A lot of what AOC supports that Pelosi doesn't is directly beneficial to the working class and a lot of those center right, or even full right wing, working class voters support them. A progressive has a better chance than a centrist in plenty of conservative districts.
Are you serious with that? You're talking about tea-party conservatives right there the Fox News money demo. Hell, no way, they are going to support left wing policies, not from a left wing politician. I mean, shit, I think they are probably nutzo enough to support left wing policies if by some miracle they were being touted by Ted Cruz or one of their own. But fuck no, are they going to line up behind a left wing candidate.
If the opponent is an establishment republican who has been screwing them and the left wing candidate speaks their language, yes they will. You think they will vote for a Centrist Democrat? You know that isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Nephew Twiddleton on July 14, 2019, 06:25:35 PMQuote from: Norman on July 14, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
ACA was a center-left policy.
What's left wing about forcing people to buy insurance from private companies?
Quote from: nullified on July 14, 2019, 02:58:06 AM
The second you start saying shit about identity politics you've fallen off the fucking bus altogether. Realize that identity politics is a way of saying actual people's immutable natures are political. Identity politics is literally recognizing these people exist and their lives matter.
People like me.
So you're saying we need to stop protecting people who are having their existences politicized, their lives torn down around them, so the privileged white folks don't feel bad. Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you high and mighty sack of fucking shit.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on July 14, 2019, 12:00:22 AMQuote from: Norman on July 13, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
Are you serious with that? You're talking about tea-party conservatives right there the Fox News money demo. Hell, no way, they are going to support left wing policies, not from a left wing politician. I mean, shit, I think they are probably nutzo enough to support left wing policies if by some miracle they were being touted by Ted Cruz or one of their own. But fuck no, are they going to line up behind a left wing candidate.
God it's like you were in a coma for all of 2016