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Principia Discordia => Propaganda Depository => Topic started by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 29, 2007, 11:19:51 PM

Title: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 29, 2007, 11:19:51 PM
 :cry:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 29, 2007, 11:42:31 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 12:15:03 AM
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Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 12:26:43 AM
 :sad:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 02:57:36 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 03:21:23 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 30, 2007, 03:24:52 AM
Wow.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 03:28:07 AM
No problem.

Just 7 more to go.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on October 30, 2007, 03:30:50 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on October 30, 2007, 03:28:07 AM
No problem.

Just 7 more to go.

I'm printing them off, and budgeting $1200 for the copyshop.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 06:38:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 30, 2007, 03:30:50 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on October 30, 2007, 03:28:07 AM
No problem.

Just 7 more to go.

I'm printing them off, and budgeting $1200 for the copyshop.

:banana:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 30, 2007, 06:50:58 AM
In the not-so-distant future, the island of O'ahu will sink under the weight of self-realization.

The wealthy will not be permitted to escape to a subtropical paradise island.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 08:11:15 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on October 30, 2007, 12:03:56 PM
Wow.


I was gonna award you with an Internets, but these are too good.


I present you with 7 IRL's.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cramulus on October 30, 2007, 04:40:14 PM
Net, I really, really love these. This is exactly what we were talking about in the extended discussions about packaging our ideas (or in this case, TGRR's ideas).

I've printed 'em out at 11x17 and they look gorgeous.

Give Up - was it a design choice to make the text start on an even line with the title, rather than at the top of the page?

Tell Yourself Everything Is Fine - The two images reprinted on the same page - is that due to the dimensions of the original woodcut?

Making Joe Mad - Would it look better with a black border instead of a white one? Maybe it's cause I printed this in 11x17 despite it being an 8x11 PDF, but The kallisti bomb at the bottom right is a little hard to see. Also, the title isn't centered, and the font is cool, but kind of hard to read.


fucking great work, Net
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO on October 30, 2007, 12:03:56 PM
Wow.


I was gonna award you with an Internets, but these are too good.


I present you with 7 IRL's.

:thanks:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 09:38:52 PM
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on October 30, 2007, 04:40:14 PM
Net, I really, really love these. This is exactly what we were talking about in the extended discussions about packaging our ideas (or in this case, TGRR's ideas).

I've printed 'em out at 11x17 and they look gorgeous.

Give Up - was it a design choice to make the text start on an even line with the title, rather than at the top of the page?

Tell Yourself Everything Is Fine - The two images reprinted on the same page - is that due to the dimensions of the original woodcut?

Making Joe Mad - Would it look better with a black border instead of a white one? Maybe it's cause I printed this in 11x17 despite it being an 8x11 PDF, but The kallisti bomb at the bottom right is a little hard to see. Also, the title isn't centered, and the font is cool, but kind of hard to read.


fucking great work, Net

Thanks Cram. I especially appreciate the critical feedback.

Give Up has a very subtle demon-snake thing floating underneath the text that plays off the display font and leafy graphic. Also, the space around the words "Give Up" leads the eye naturally to where the text starts—so why not?

You're correct about Tell Yourself Everything Is Fine. The idea here is to just cut the page in half. It looked too funky and wasteful with only one there... It's also not unheard of to wheatpaste multiples in one place.

Making Joe Mad was a bit funky, so I made another version with hopefully a more fitting and legible font. I also made the kallisti bomb a bit bigger. Sometimes it's hard to get out of my own head, so it's important for me to hear things like this.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 09:41:09 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Triple Zero on October 30, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
wow. that font looks GREAT.

you're right about the critical feedback, i'll try to come up with something.

the only thing i can think of is textual actually. for my own purposes it would have been even better if the UK versions were just general "european" versions, or "non location specific" versions.

i printed them out last week and put them up last weekend at a camp with a bunch (60+) of crazy-minded fellow students. i'm not sure if anyone actually read them. i also printed out Cram's memebomb PDF, which was a great success, got a lot of positive feedback about it, especially the "i bet you just stepped in it" i put up in one of the bathrooms, the "frankly i think screaming hysterical is underrated" i put up in the sleeping halls and the "don't just defend your right to be wrong -- exercise it" for general awesomeness.
maybe the texts themselves were a bit tl;dr for a bunch of drunken stoners trying to pick up chicks. but that just means i gotta think of better places to put them up.

one advice maybe, but i guess you're already doing this, try to make the font as large as possible. if you print these flyers at A4, you really need to stand within one meter with good lighting to be able to read them. (but there's only so much space on an A4, of course)
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2007, 11:16:58 PM
Quote from: triple zero on October 30, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
wow. that font looks GREAT.

you're right about the critical feedback, i'll try to come up with something.

the only thing i can think of is textual actually. for my own purposes it would have been even better if the UK versions were just general "european" versions, or "non location specific" versions.

i printed them out last week and put them up last weekend at a camp with a bunch (60+) of crazy-minded fellow students. i'm not sure if anyone actually read them. i also printed out Cram's memebomb PDF, which was a great success, got a lot of positive feedback about it, especially the "i bet you just stepped in it" i put up in one of the bathrooms, the "frankly i think screaming hysterical is underrated" i put up in the sleeping halls and the "don't just defend your right to be wrong -- exercise it" for general awesomeness.
maybe the texts themselves were a bit tl;dr for a bunch of drunken stoners trying to pick up chicks. but that just means i gotta think of better places to put them up.

one advice maybe, but i guess you're already doing this, try to make the font as large as possible. if you print these flyers at A4, you really need to stand within one meter with good lighting to be able to read them. (but there's only so much space on an A4, of course)

Thanks 000.

I've been using body text fonts with large x-heights for maximum legibility.

Maybe you run some general "european" versions by Roger. If they pass muster, I could do some of those too.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cramulus on October 31, 2007, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: triple zero on October 30, 2007, 11:08:51 PM
i also printed out Cram's memebomb PDF, which was a great success, got a lot of positive feedback about it, especially the "i bet you just stepped in it" i put up in one of the bathrooms, the "frankly i think screaming hysterical is underrated" i put up in the sleeping halls and the "don't just defend your right to be wrong -- exercise it" for general awesomeness.

Thanks - I appreciate hearing this!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 01, 2007, 11:15:38 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 01:08:10 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 07:07:12 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 09:29:56 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 09:43:44 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 10:32:30 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 11:04:07 AM
 :|

Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 02, 2007, 11:24:15 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 02, 2007, 12:03:46 PM
What about the rest of the flyers?

TGRR,
Impatient.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 07:02:04 AM
By when do you need all of them?

Net,
Very busy.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 07:35:06 AM
 :sad:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 07:48:40 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 08:11:48 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 08:25:17 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 11:12:18 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 03, 2007, 11:13:50 AM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 05, 2007, 06:24:18 AM
I think that's all of them.

Any omissions? Errors?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 06, 2007, 08:30:01 PM
Also, I might host some of these at deviantart for exposure. If that's cool wiff yuo, Mr teh Roger.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 07, 2007, 01:24:23 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on November 03, 2007, 07:35:06 AM
8.5 x 11

(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3193/whatthehelllettersizell6.jpg) (http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/what-the-hell-lettersize.pdf)

Fix'd:
[url=http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/what-the-hell-lettersze.pdf][img]http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3193/whatthehelllettersizell6.jpg[/img][/url]

Is now
[url=http://www.cwyohba.org/noexit/net/what-the-hell-lettersize.pdf][img]http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/3193/whatthehelllettersizell6.jpg[/img][/url]
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 07, 2007, 01:35:57 AM
Fixed, thanks Cain-doppleganger.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
fucking WIN!
this made my access to the poster printer even MORE worth it.  Net.  Can you come up with some of these in 22x34 (ansi D) ???

You win so many internets, that al gore will be calling to personally transfer ownership and rights to claim the invention.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 30, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
fucking WIN!
this made my access to the poster printer even MORE worth it.  Net.  Can you come up with some of these in 22x34 (ansi D) ???

You win so many internets, that al gore will be calling to personally transfer ownership and rights to claim the invention.


Thanks dude.

I easily can make some in 22x34, which ones do you want in that format?

And how long do you have access to the poster printer? Cause I'm not sure I'll have time to do this for possibly a week.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on January 30, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
fucking WIN!
this made my access to the poster printer even MORE worth it.  Net.  Can you come up with some of these in 22x34 (ansi D) ???

You win so many internets, that al gore will be calling to personally transfer ownership and rights to claim the invention.


Thanks dude.

I easily can make some in 22x34, which ones do you want in that format?

And how long do you have access to the poster printer? Cause I'm not sure I'll have time to do this for possibly a week.

as many as you feel like making... the 11x17 printed out OKAY in 22x34  but the quality could be better.

I should have access most of the semester.   so whenever you have time is good for me.



Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 31, 2008, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on January 30, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
fucking WIN!
this made my access to the poster printer even MORE worth it.  Net.  Can you come up with some of these in 22x34 (ansi D) ???

You win so many internets, that al gore will be calling to personally transfer ownership and rights to claim the invention.


Thanks dude.

I easily can make some in 22x34, which ones do you want in that format?

And how long do you have access to the poster printer? Cause I'm not sure I'll have time to do this for possibly a week.

as many as you feel like making... the 11x17 printed out OKAY in 22x34  but the quality could be better.

I should have access most of the semester.   so whenever you have time is good for me.





Oh good, I'm swamped at the moment.

What and where specifically did the quality decline?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on January 31, 2008, 12:58:14 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on January 31, 2008, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 08:14:53 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on January 30, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on January 30, 2008, 06:41:09 PM
fucking WIN!
this made my access to the poster printer even MORE worth it.  Net.  Can you come up with some of these in 22x34 (ansi D) ???

You win so many internets, that al gore will be calling to personally transfer ownership and rights to claim the invention.


Thanks dude.

I easily can make some in 22x34, which ones do you want in that format?

And how long do you have access to the poster printer? Cause I'm not sure I'll have time to do this for possibly a week.

as many as you feel like making... the 11x17 printed out OKAY in 22x34  but the quality could be better.

I should have access most of the semester.   so whenever you have time is good for me.





Oh good, I'm swamped at the moment.

What and where specifically did the quality decline?

The text didn't noticibly blur being blown up to 200%...but the picture did a little... barely noticible.
I may just use the 11x17's and print them at 200% all in all
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on January 31, 2008, 04:09:25 AM
Here's what should be going on:

The text and kallisti bombs are vector graphics which means they should stay crisp at any size.

The images are raster graphics so they suffer the more you blow them up. But, since the comfortable viewing distance also increases, it all evens out.

Now that I did the calculus, I've noticed that 11 x 17 is exactly the same proportion as 22 x 34 so I shouldn't need to reformat it. You can just scale that bitch to fit because it fits perfectly.

Edit: If you run into some weird problems with printing at 200% on a 22 x 34, I can reformat it very easily. Just know that it most likely will not solve the problem though...
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: EmmaE on February 20, 2008, 06:14:39 PM
Thank you for these. They're lovely, and I'll be grabbing some for myself- and to post around my college.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on February 21, 2008, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: EmmaE on February 20, 2008, 06:14:39 PM
Thank you for these. They're lovely, and I'll be grabbing some for myself- and to post around my college.

You're welcome, and I'm pleased you enjoy them.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on June 19, 2008, 04:53:19 PM
 :|
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on June 19, 2008, 05:28:03 PM
Dig it
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on June 19, 2008, 11:52:56 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on June 19, 2008, 05:28:03 PM
Dig it


Thanks dude.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Ari on August 26, 2008, 11:34:21 AM
these are absolutely fanfuckingtastic ... så skitsnyggt!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 04, 2008, 12:26:48 AM
Quote from: planeswalker on August 26, 2008, 11:34:21 AM
these are absolutely fanfuckingtastic ... så skitsnyggt!

Thanks. :)
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 04, 2008, 12:37:11 AM
 :kingmeh:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cramulus on September 04, 2008, 03:14:56 PM
:mittens:


Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 10:07:41 PM
 :lulz:

When melting down, why not go all the way?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on August 31, 2009, 10:28:18 PM
Oh jesus.  :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 31, 2009, 10:31:47 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on August 31, 2009, 10:28:18 PM
Oh jesus.  :lulz:

Poor Net...all that trouble for nothing (I had already had them archived at POEE).
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Payne on September 01, 2009, 12:08:21 PM
Oh shit, that's just hilarious.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
:asshat:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
:asshat:

Hey, Net, you dysfunctional little puritan, how ya doing?   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?

Yes, that's pretty much it.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on September 01, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?

Yes, that's pretty much it.
Haha, that is funny.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?

Yes, that's pretty much it.
Haha, that is funny.

What makes it funnier is that if you've been around here long enough, you know Roger has done the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?

Yes, that's pretty much it.
Haha, that is funny.

What makes it funnier is that if you've been around here long enough, you know Roger has done the exact same thing.

Certainly.  But not because someone dumped on me for calling someone a "slut" because they didn't adhere to my sexual mores.

:lol:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 08:44:55 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 08:43:23 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
Quote from: fictionpuss on September 01, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
I'm a little unclear on this history, is it something like this:
1) Net does something neat
2) Net gets pissed off for whatever reason
3) Net decides to try and take all his toys away, forgetting that what works in the playground doesn't work on the internet
4) Everyone else pieces together the archive anyway
5) Net sticks around and tries to gloat, presumably proving a point only visible to Net?

Yes, that's pretty much it.
Haha, that is funny.

What makes it funnier is that if you've been around here long enough, you know Roger has done the exact same thing.

Certainly.  But not because someone dumped on me for calling someone a "slut" because they didn't adhere to my sexual mores.

:lol:


I also publicly apologized for the slut comment.

You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

The slut comment came after it was clear that our "friendship" meant little to her and was a sham manipulation for meaningless sex.

I don't see how calling someone a slut is worse than urging someone to suicide with the knowledge that the person who was trying to deal with a divorce, losing a brother, losing a friend and unemployed on top of it, but that's fine. I owned my behavior in that whole shitstorm and put it behind me.

Urging me to suicide with knowledge of how shitty my life was came first, calling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Even then, I apologized for where I went wrong. The slut comment was unacceptable and still is. I also think urging someone to suicide after you pretend to be their friend for sex is far more morally repugnant, especially when you know their life is at an all time low.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
I also publicly apologized for the slut comment.

And that person was kind enough to accept you apologies, which was, IMO, more than you deserve.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
The slut comment came after it was clear that our "friendship" meant little to her and was a sham manipulation for meaningless sex.

So, I guess you didn't really mean that apology.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
I don't see how calling someone a slut is worse than urging someone to suicide with the knowledge that the person who was trying to deal with a divorce, losing a brother, losing a friend and unemployed on top of it, but that's fine. I owned my behavior in that whole shitstorm and put it behind me.

Except that you're back to trying to explain why you were justified in doing so.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Urging me to suicide with knowledge of how shitty my life was came first, calling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Naw.  You trying to tell her how to run an art project came first.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Even then, I apologized for where I went wrong. The slut comment was unacceptable and still is. I also think urging someone to suicide after you pretend to be their friend for sex is far more morally repugnant, especially when you know their life is at an all time low.

You know, maybe if you didn't treat everyone around you like scum, these things wouldn't happen.

Maybe.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Finding images, combining them with typography and turning them into printable form was creative work.

Your writing is yours, but the flyer formatting is mine.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
The slut comment came after it was clear that our "friendship" meant little to her and was a sham manipulation for meaningless sex.

So, I guess you didn't really mean that apology.

I did and do. Even though I was hurt by her behavior.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
I don't see how calling someone a slut is worse than urging someone to suicide with the knowledge that the person who was trying to deal with a divorce, losing a brother, losing a friend and unemployed on top of it, but that's fine. I owned my behavior in that whole shitstorm and put it behind me.

Except that you're back to trying to explain why you were justified in doing so.

I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining the circumstances which make it more clear why I reacted the way I did, even though I was wrong to do so.

I'm also pointing out that your pretension to moral superiority is ridiculous.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Urging me to suicide with knowledge of how shitty my life was came first, calling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Naw.  You trying to tell her how to run an art project came first.

Next time someone tries to tell me how to run an art project, I'm going to wait until they get into some rough times and then try to use them for sex. That's fair.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Even then, I apologized for where I went wrong. The slut comment was unacceptable and still is. I also think urging someone to suicide after you pretend to be their friend for sex is far more morally repugnant, especially when you know their life is at an all time low.

You know, maybe if you didn't treat everyone around you like scum, these things wouldn't happen.

Maybe.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the irony.

Could you repeat that?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Finding images, combining them with typography and turning them into printable form was creative work.

Your writing is yours, but the flyer formatting is mine.

Yeah, finding a few pics was creative as hell.  Why did you even involve my writing?

:lol:

You pasted a few pics you took from someone else, and now they're YOUR fliers.

:lol:

Ever do any REAL work of your own?  Or do you just leech off of others?

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
The slut comment came after it was clear that our "friendship" meant little to her and was a sham manipulation for meaningless sex.

So, I guess you didn't really mean that apology.

I did and do. Even though I was hurt by her behavior.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
I don't see how calling someone a slut is worse than urging someone to suicide with the knowledge that the person who was trying to deal with a divorce, losing a brother, losing a friend and unemployed on top of it, but that's fine. I owned my behavior in that whole shitstorm and put it behind me.

Except that you're back to trying to explain why you were justified in doing so.

I'm not justifying it. I'm explaining the circumstances which make it more clear why I reacted the way I did, even though I was wrong to do so.

I'm also pointing out that your pretension to moral superiority is ridiculous.


Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Urging me to suicide with knowledge of how shitty my life was came first, calling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Naw.  You trying to tell her how to run an art project came first.

Next time someone tries to tell me how to run an art project, I'm going to wait until they get into some rough times and then try to use them for sex. That's fair.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Even then, I apologized for where I went wrong. The slut comment was unacceptable and still is. I also think urging someone to suicide after you pretend to be their friend for sex is far more morally repugnant, especially when you know their life is at an all time low.

You know, maybe if you didn't treat everyone around you like scum, these things wouldn't happen.

Maybe.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the irony.

Could you repeat that?

What irony?  I hate just about everyone, but I only treat scum like scum.  Like, well, you for example.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Finding images, combining them with typography and turning them into printable form was creative work.

Your writing is yours, but the flyer formatting is mine.

Yeah, finding a few pics was creative as hell.  Why did you even involve my writing?

:lol:

You pasted a few pics you took from someone else, and now they're YOUR fliers.

:lol:

Ever do any REAL work of your own?  Or do you just leech off of others?


Sure your writing was more important and better than my design work.

Big deal.

It still took skill, time and creative energy to find good, legal images to use and to get the typography to fit with the images.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Finding images, combining them with typography and turning them into printable form was creative work.

Your writing is yours, but the flyer formatting is mine.

Yeah, finding a few pics was creative as hell.  Why did you even involve my writing?

:lol:

You pasted a few pics you took from someone else, and now they're YOUR fliers.

:lol:

Ever do any REAL work of your own?  Or do you just leech off of others?


Sure your writing was more important and better than my design work.

Big deal.

It still took skill, time and creative energy to find good, legal images to use and to get the typography to fit with the images.

Right (not to mention font selection :lol: ).  So now they're YOUR fliers.  

Never touch my work again.  Go leech off of someone else, you fucking parasite.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 11:15:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:13:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
You can attribute whatever you want to my pulling my flyers and I bet if you repeat it enough that will be truth enough for you.

Your flyers?  :lol:

Finding images, combining them with typography and turning them into printable form was creative work.

Your writing is yours, but the flyer formatting is mine.

Yeah, finding a few pics was creative as hell.  Why did you even involve my writing?

:lol:

You pasted a few pics you took from someone else, and now they're YOUR fliers.

:lol:

Ever do any REAL work of your own?  Or do you just leech off of others?


Sure your writing was more important and better than my design work.

Big deal.

It still took skill, time and creative energy to find good, legal images to use and to get the typography to fit with the images.

Right (not to mention font selection :lol: ).  So now they're YOUR fliers. 

Never touch my work again.  Go leech off of someone else, you fucking parasite.  Thanks.

Yeah, spending hours doing design work in service of your writing for free, was leeching.

On my part.

Oh, you won't have to worry about me doing a goddamn thing for you ever again.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
Yeah, spending hours doing design work in service of your writing for free, was leeching.

It is when you suddenly decide that it is YOUR work.  Hell, I'd settle for OUR work, given what you put into it, but that's not how you view it.  To you, it's YOURS.  So fuck off.

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
Oh, you won't have to worry about me doing a goddamn thing for you ever again.


That's too bad.  I was so hoping I could get you to claim credit for all 68 sermons.

:lulz:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 01, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
Yeah, spending hours doing design work in service of your writing for free, was leeching.

It is when you suddenly decide that it is YOUR work.  Hell, I'd settle for OUR work, given what you put into it, but that's not how you view it.  To you, it's YOURS.  So fuck off.


The flier formatting is mine, you didn't do that and you don't own that.

You know I was claiming the form not the content, you're just arguing for the sake of drama at this point so fuck you.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 02, 2009, 02:15:22 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 11:27:58 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 11:25:41 PM
Yeah, spending hours doing design work in service of your writing for free, was leeching.

It is when you suddenly decide that it is YOUR work.  Hell, I'd settle for OUR work, given what you put into it, but that's not how you view it.  To you, it's YOURS.  So fuck off.


The flier formatting is mine, you didn't do that and you don't own that.

You know I was claiming the form not the content, you're just arguing for the sake of drama at this point so fuck you.

I know nothing of the kind.  You claimed them as YOUR FLIERS.

Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 02, 2009, 11:27:45 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:26:10 PM

The slut comment came after it was clear that our "friendship" meant little to her and was a sham manipulation for meaningless sex.

:lulz: What drugs are you on? Or, more accurately, what drugs should you be on?

Quote
I don't see how calling someone a slut is worse than urging someone to suicide with the knowledge that the person who was trying to deal with a divorce, losing a brother, losing a friend and unemployed on top of it, but that's fine. I owned my behavior in that whole shitstorm and put it behind me.

You are a lying sack of shit. You KEPT freaking out on me, then coming to your senses and apologizing, and after the THIRD TIME you randomly started being a complete and utter asshole (I still have the PMs, dipshit) I decided that there was no fucking way I wanted to have anything to do with you. You know perfectly well I had no idea you'd lost a brother OR a friend, and I, too, was dealing with a divorce and a breakup when you started going ballistic on me... you psychotic hypocrite.

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Urging me to suicide with knowledge of how shitty my life was came first,

It's the only thing you're capable of doing to make the world a better place.

Quotecalling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Except that you're lying about the timeline.

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Even then, I apologized for where I went wrong. The slut comment was unacceptable and still is. I also think urging someone to suicide after you pretend to be their friend for sex is far more morally repugnant, especially when you know their life is at an all time low.

1. I stopped being your friend because you freaked out on me, badly, repeatedly, over trivial or imaginary slights.
2. I don't "use" people for sex unless it is an explicit arrangement from the beginning. Even so, I usually end up becoming friends with my lovers, and keeping their friendship long after the sexual relationship ends. Go figure.
3. Sex with my friends is NOT meaningless, and I think there is something badly wrong with you for saying that. It's also not something I make a habit of, because it's laden with emotional ramifications.
4. I invited you to spend the night because you were drunk and tired, as I do often do with my drunk and tired friends. Sex was not even a motivation for inviting you, and I'm sorry I asked (my exact words, if you recall, were "do you just wanna sleep?"). I think maybe it was YOUR motivation and you chickened out, which may explain why you're building up this whole delusional theory about it in retrospect.

In summary, you're wrong, you're crazy, and you're an asshole. Kill yourself.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 02, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 01, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 01, 2009, 10:35:21 PM

So, I guess you didn't really mean that apology.

I did and do. Even though I was hurt by her behavior.

You complete and utter lying sociopath.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 02, 2009, 11:38:42 PM
Also, I love how your freakout about this alleged "trying to use you for sex" came MONTHS later, even after you and your girlfriend came to my party and I was still being friendly and inviting you to do stuff.

Because you're a mentally ill, completely delusional sack of shit with some sort of freaky puritanical repressive obsession with females expressing sexuality.

Plus, you take yourself way too seriously. You must have a very fragile sense of self.

Which is unfortunate, because people as mediocre and talentless as you are don't get much positive feedback from the world.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 03, 2009, 01:43:28 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 02, 2009, 11:38:42 PM
Also, I love how your freakout about this alleged "trying to use you for sex" came MONTHS later, even after you and your girlfriend came to my party and I was still being friendly and inviting you to do stuff.

Because you're a mentally ill, completely delusional sack of shit with some sort of freaky puritanical repressive obsession with females expressing sexuality.

Plus, you take yourself way too seriously. You must have a very fragile sense of self.

Which is unfortunate, because people as mediocre and talentless as you are don't get much positive feedback from the world.

WOOWOO!  GET 'IM!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 03, 2009, 02:49:54 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 02, 2009, 11:27:45 PM

Quotecalling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Except that you're lying about the timeline.


This following occurred in December and shows you knew I was having a rough time right before you urged me to suicide:

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on December 02, 2008, 10:22:48 PM
Oh, so you're having a rough time and decided to take it out on me by telling me to fuck off and PMing me a bunch of personal insults instead of just being honest and saying "Hey, I'm having a rough time and that hurt my feelings". Great.

...


Within an hour you said this:

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on December 02, 2008, 11:06:37 PM
Sometimes it takes a while for the hate to make its way to the fingertips.

Have you considered suicide? That would be one way to make things better.

The slut comment occurred more than MONTH after that:

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on January 14, 2009, 07:16:16 PM

...

You're a desperate slut.

...


Could you be more specific about how I lied about the timeline?

And what sort of psychological disorder do you think I have, doc?



I enjoy women when they don't behave in selfish, opportunistic and deceitful ways.

I certainly wouldn't try to get someone I hardly know in bed with me while they're drunk. That's typically a date rape move.

I also have personal messages which disclosed the information about my brother and friend, which I also told you about in person.

You'll eventually get what's coming to you as long as you keep this sort of shit up. I know it and in the deep recesses of your formidable mind and spirit you know it too.

I hope you overcome your problems and find someone or a busload of people who fulfill your desires to the end of your days.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 03, 2009, 02:51:08 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 03, 2009, 02:49:54 AM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 02, 2009, 11:27:45 PM

Quotecalling her a slut as retaliation was hardly worse.

Except that you're lying about the timeline.


This following occurred in December and shows you knew I was having a rough time right before you urged me to suicide:

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on December 02, 2008, 10:22:48 PM
Oh, so you're having a rough time and decided to take it out on me by telling me to fuck off and PMing me a bunch of personal insults instead of just being honest and saying "Hey, I'm having a rough time and that hurt my feelings". Great.

...


Within an hour you said this:

Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on December 02, 2008, 11:06:37 PM
Sometimes it takes a while for the hate to make its way to the fingertips.

Have you considered suicide? That would be one way to make things better.

The slut comment occurred more than MONTH after that:

Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on January 14, 2009, 07:16:16 PM

...

You're a desperate slut.

...


Could you be more specific about how I lied about the timeline?

And what sort of psychological disorder do you think I have, doc?



I enjoy women when they don't behave in selfish, opportunistic and deceitful ways.

I certainly wouldn't try to get someone I hardly know in bed with me while they're drunk. That's typically a date rape move.

I also have personal messages which disclosed the information about my brother and friend, which I also told you about in person.

You'll eventually get what's coming to you as long as you keep this sort of shit up. I know it and in the deep recesses of your formidable mind and spirit you know it too.

I hope you overcome your problems and find someone or a busload of people who fulfill your desires to the end of your days.

WOW!  Multi-color fail!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Pariah on September 03, 2009, 03:15:21 AM
I love changing colors at random
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 03, 2009, 05:41:01 AM
Net, you are a delusional, obsessive psychopath.  :lulz: :lulz:

It's not even REALLY funny, it's just that I don't know what else to do but laugh.


Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 03, 2009, 05:48:29 AM
Let me just clarify with this information; in all of my nearly 40 years, no one else has ever had the "problems" that Net thinks he has with me. "Date rape"?  So there's a girl, and a guy, and they've been hanging out, and one night at a party at the girl's house they both get pretty trashed. Guy says "I'm really drunk". Girl says "You can spend the night here if you want". Later, in bed, girl says "So you you just want to sleep?" Guy says "Yeah I think that's all I'm up for" girl says "That's probably just as well."

A year later, guy accuses girl of being a DATE RAPIST.  :lulz:

And seriously, if you think you can really get to know someone in the limited time we hung out, your understanding of human relationships is really profoundly flawed. If I HAD known you from the beginning, I would have known not to try to befriend you. You certainly don't know me at all because you're viewing me through the filter of your delusions.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Sir Squid Diddimus on September 03, 2009, 06:07:50 AM
(http://file046b.bebo.com/1/large/2009/03/12/07/9092206a10323811342l.jpg)
(http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/wtf_cat.jpg)
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 03, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 03, 2009, 05:41:01 AM
Net, you are a delusional, obsessive psychopath.  :lulz: :lulz:

It's not even REALLY funny, it's just that I don't know what else to do but laugh.




I'm truly a monstrosity.

I'm so delusional I can't own up to deceitful, manipulative behavior (even when it's plain for anyone to see).

I'm such a sociopath that I urge people I know are vulnerable towards suicide repeatedly and with sincerity.


I think you're a brilliant, beautiful person, Nigel, whose integrity continues to rot.

I hope you take care of yourself.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 03, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 03, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
I think you're a brilliant, beautiful person, Nigel, whose integrity continues to rot.

I hope you take care of yourself.

And I think you're a psychotic dumbass, a fraud as an "artist", and basically just a very poor excuse for a human being.

You should work on that.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on September 03, 2009, 08:26:40 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 03, 2009, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 03, 2009, 05:41:01 AM
Net, you are a delusional, obsessive psychopath.  :lulz: :lulz:

It's not even REALLY funny, it's just that I don't know what else to do but laugh.




I'm truly a monstrosity.

I'm so delusional I can't own up to deceitful, manipulative behavior (even when it's plain for anyone to see).

I'm such a sociopath that I urge people I know are vulnerable towards suicide repeatedly and with sincerity.


I think you're a brilliant, beautiful person, Nigel, whose integrity continues to rot.

I hope you take care of yourself.

Continue to tell yourself you have some kind of moral high ground, pretend that you didn't freak out on me badly and repeatedly for trivial or invented reasons, and that the horrible PMs you sent me never happened, if that's what you have to do to live with yourself.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 03, 2009, 08:38:17 PM
Quote from: The Lord and Lady Omnibus Fuck on September 03, 2009, 08:26:40 PM

Continue to tell yourself you have some kind of moral high ground, pretend that you didn't freak out on me badly and repeatedly for trivial or invented reasons, and that the horrible PMs you sent me never happened, if that's what you have to do to live with yourself.

Or he could, you know, stop being a prick.

Naw.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM
LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE ]LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE LYING ABOUT THE TIMELINE OBSSESSIVE DELUSIONAL SACK OF SHIT KILL YOURSELF SOCIOPATH DIE IN A FIRE PSYCHOPATH THE WORLD'S BETTER OFF WITHOUT YOU YOUR CONCERNS ARE TRIVIAL PSYCHOTIC HYPOCRITE
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Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on September 05, 2009, 01:19:53 AM
Quote from: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.

:cheers:

At least this thread isn't a TOTAL waste.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Triple Zero on September 05, 2009, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.

yes. saved :)
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2009, 07:12:44 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 05, 2009, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.

yes. saved :)

He's still a pointy-headed puritanical fuckwad.  One funny pic doesn't change that.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Payne on September 06, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2009, 07:12:44 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 05, 2009, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.

yes. saved :)

He's still a pointy-headed puritanical fuckwad.  One funny pic doesn't change that.

I don't believe either of us said that it did.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2009, 04:30:20 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 06, 2009, 12:07:03 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on September 06, 2009, 07:12:44 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on September 05, 2009, 12:16:45 PM
Quote from: Payne on September 05, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on September 05, 2009, 01:00:11 AM

(http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6786/blabmouf.gif)


Okay, I laughed at the pic. Quite a lot, actually.

yes. saved :)

He's still a pointy-headed puritanical fuckwad.  One funny pic doesn't change that.

I don't believe either of us said that it did.

Oh, I know.  I was just saying.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on September 08, 2009, 03:45:10 PM
Just to point out the obvious, TGRR and Nigel are totally fucking with Net, who is reacting precisely as they intended.


Whether or not this is a bad thing (on either side) is up for debate.


Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: hooplala on September 08, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Oh, I don't know... this is the first amusing thread I've stumbled upon in months...
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 08, 2009, 05:24:07 PM
Quote from: LMNO on September 08, 2009, 03:45:10 PM
Just to point out the obvious, TGRR and Nigel are totally fucking with Net, who is reacting precisely as they intended.


Whether or not this is a bad thing (on either side) is up for debate.




Hush, you.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 08, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 08, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
Oh, I don't know... this is the first amusing thread I've stumbled upon in months...

Then check out the Swamp Yankee threads.

And call Enrico.  The anti-swamp yankee alliance could use his expertise.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: hooplala on September 08, 2009, 05:27:50 PM
I'll give him a dingle...


ooh... that sounded bad.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on September 08, 2009, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on September 08, 2009, 05:27:50 PM
I'll give him a dingle...


ooh... that sounded bad.

Sounded SEXY AS HELL to me!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on September 08, 2009, 06:07:57 PM
I came
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 06:35:12 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on October 30, 2007, 06:38:38 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on October 30, 2007, 03:30:50 AM
Quote from: Netaungrot on October 30, 2007, 03:28:07 AM
No problem.

Just 7 more to go.

I'm printing them off, and budgeting $1200 for the copyshop.

:banana:

Good thing I did, too.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 07:01:02 PM
Quote from: FP on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.

To be fair, I TWICE deleted each and every rant I had on PD.

But I was provoked.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: FP on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.

You can fill in the reasons for why I pulled the flyers with all sorts of petty and stupid pap, but that wouldn't be the truth.

I'm sure it will help the continued campaign against me though, if you repeat it continuously, even after it's been proved to be a lie, since I don't have the time or interest to defend myself from the continued character assassination.

I'm not sure why I should continue providing materials that I put a lot of work into to a community that by in large either had sympathy for me but made no comment, or actively directed vile shit towards me after Nigel fanned the flames of a personal disagreement between me and her by forcing it into the public sphere.

Rather than put energy into a community that's hostile to me, I'm now here for shits and giggles and the few people that I count as friends.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on November 24, 2009, 04:59:07 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: FP on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.

You can fill in the reasons for why I pulled the flyers with all sorts of petty and stupid pap, but that wouldn't be the truth.

I'm sure it will help the continued campaign against me though, if you repeat it continuously, even after it's been proved to be a lie, since I don't have the time or interest to defend myself from the continued character assassination.

I'm not sure why I should continue providing materials that I put a lot of work into to a community that by in large either had sympathy for me but made no comment, or actively directed vile shit towards me after Nigel fanned the flames of a personal disagreement between me and her by forcing it into the public sphere.

Rather than put energy into a community that's hostile to me, I'm now here for shits and giggles and the few people that I count as friends.
It's simple really. Egos are worthless. Your ego is worthless. Your material, from what I saw, is not worthless. The purpose of material is not for this community, but to primarily attract new minds. That's the mission as I see it, and you're trying to fuck with that mission because you're so attached to your tiny fragile ego that you can't even begin to turn the other cheek or pretend to be the bigger person and, you know, just get over it.

And you're right, a fat kid cares for salad more than I care about the accuracy what I wrote above - all I care about is the fact that you're fucking with the mission.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
Quote from: FP on November 24, 2009, 04:59:07 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: FP on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.

You can fill in the reasons for why I pulled the flyers with all sorts of petty and stupid pap, but that wouldn't be the truth.

I'm sure it will help the continued campaign against me though, if you repeat it continuously, even after it's been proved to be a lie, since I don't have the time or interest to defend myself from the continued character assassination.

I'm not sure why I should continue providing materials that I put a lot of work into to a community that by in large either had sympathy for me but made no comment, or actively directed vile shit towards me after Nigel fanned the flames of a personal disagreement between me and her by forcing it into the public sphere.

Rather than put energy into a community that's hostile to me, I'm now here for shits and giggles and the few people that I count as friends.
It's simple really. Egos are worthless. Your ego is worthless. Your material, from what I saw, is not worthless. The purpose of material is not for this community, but to primarily attract new minds. That's the mission as I see it, and you're trying to fuck with that mission because you're so attached to your tiny fragile ego that you can't even begin to turn the other cheek or pretend to be the bigger person and, you know, just get over it.

And you're right, a fat kid cares for salad more than I care about the accuracy what I wrote above - all I care about is the fact that you're fucking with the mission.

The ego may be a figment of one's imagination, but it doesn't make it worthless. Your submissive, servile philosophy about egos has no traction with me. STFU about that shit and go lick someone's boot.


"The mission" is code for "I'm finna use general language to cold read your ass." Try again.

I'm not fucking with "the mission," I'm fucking with my role in the Recturnal Emissions of Roger.

Namely, wiping them off my clothes and investing in some Scotchgard.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
You can fill in the reasons for why I pulled the flyers with all sorts of petty and stupid pap, but that wouldn't be the truth.

If that's the case, then you've never explained the truth.

Gnomes made you do it, perhaps?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
I'm not fucking with "the mission," I'm fucking with my role in the Recturnal Emissions of Roger.


Heh.

This, coming from the guy who announced that my rants were "his" due to the onerous labor involved in making them into PDFs.  Not "ours", "his".

You haven't received half the shitting on that you deserve.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 02:49:31 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 06:34:36 AM
I'm not fucking with "the mission," I'm fucking with my role in the Recturnal Emissions of Roger.


Heh.

This, coming from the guy who announced that my rants were "his" due to the onerous labor involved in making them into PDFs.  Not "ours", "his".

You haven't received half the shitting on that you deserve.

Again with the lies.

I never claimed your writing as mine. However the formatted PDFs are my work, not yours.

"Ours" implies continued consent to use my creative work, which you don't have.

I didn't write the rants, and I have never claimed ownership of them. Why the hell do you think you own my design work? You don't.

Go find some images that complement your writing that don't cost an arm and a leg and typeset your rants yourself, jackass.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 02:49:31 PM

Again with the lies.

I never claimed your writing as mine. However the formatted PDFs are my work, not yours.


Which is precisely what I said.  So where are the lies?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 02:49:31 PM

Again with the lies.

I never claimed your writing as mine. However the formatted PDFs are my work, not yours.


Which is precisely what I said.  So where are the lies?

I never claimed your rants as mine as underlined below you fucking liar:

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
This, coming from the guy who announced that my rants were "his" due to the onerous labor involved in making them into PDFs.  Not "ours", "his".

You haven't received half the shitting on that you deserve.

I didn't merely take your rants, and dump it into a PDF.

That's a lie by omission. Finding images that fit content is harder than people think. Finding images that do not cost much that also fit content is even harder.

I claimed my design work that supported your rants as mine. That includes sourcing images and supporting graphic elements, combining them with type, and knowing technical standards to ensure they printed as intended.

But by all means, continue being a deceitful scumbag and repeat your lies until you and others believe them.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:29:22 PM

I never claimed your rants as mine as underlined below you fucking liar:


You referred to the fliers as yours, which is dishonest as hell.  The fliers are made up of two parts:  The rant, and the formatting work.  "Ours" would have been appropriate.  But that isn't what you said.  You claimed the whole thing.

So, you're a liar AND you seem to get off taking credit for other peoples' work.

Let's just say that I don't ever see the need for you to mess with any of my shit again, seeing as how you can't give credit where credit is due, you thief.

But I mean all that in the best possible way.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
and the few people that I count as friends.

And who might they be?  I mean, who HAVEN'T you burned?   :lulz:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.

Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.



Excellent.  Now, please avoid using any of MY ranting in any of YOUR projects in the future.

I think that will make everyone happy.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cait M. R. on November 24, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.



According to this, you pulled your creative work.. meaning, of course, that you have no stake in the flyers.

They aren't "yours" in either sense of that word. They're Roger's.

YOU SAID IT, NOT ME.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: null & void on November 24, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.



According to this, you pulled your creative work.. meaning, of course, that you have no stake in the flyers.

They aren't "yours" in either sense of that word. They're Roger's.

YOU SAID IT, NOT ME.

Naw.  I still give him credit for his work, even if he didn't have the class to reciprocate.  Not that it matters, anymore.  The fliers are dead, so Net has shown us.  HE'S SHOWN US ALL!  THAT WILL TEACH US TO INTERFERE WHILE HE VENTS HIS SMARMY SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS ON NIGEL!  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cait M. R. on November 24, 2009, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: null & void on November 24, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.



According to this, you pulled your creative work.. meaning, of course, that you have no stake in the flyers.

They aren't "yours" in either sense of that word. They're Roger's.

YOU SAID IT, NOT ME.

Naw.  I still give him credit for his work, even if he didn't have the class to reciprocate.  Not that it matters, anymore.  The fliers are dead, so Net has shown us.  HE'S SHOWN US ALL!  THAT WILL TEACH US TO INTERFERE WHILE HE VENTS HIS SMARMY SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS ON NIGEL!  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

ITT: Roger is the very visage of generosity.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
Quote from: null & void on November 24, 2009, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 04:31:32 PM
Quote from: null & void on November 24, 2009, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Anyone with existing copies knows I properly attributed you in the flier as you had requested.

They WERE "ours" but that was contingent on both parties consent. If you decided to pull your writing the flier dies and there is no more "ours." If I decided to pull my creative work the flier dies and there is no more "ours."

I decided to pull my creative work, so the PDF file I created dies.

There is no more "ours" dumbass. "Ours" was contingent on mutual consent, which died after you tried to hound me off the board.



According to this, you pulled your creative work.. meaning, of course, that you have no stake in the flyers.

They aren't "yours" in either sense of that word. They're Roger's.

YOU SAID IT, NOT ME.

Naw.  I still give him credit for his work, even if he didn't have the class to reciprocate.  Not that it matters, anymore.  The fliers are dead, so Net has shown us.  HE'S SHOWN US ALL!  THAT WILL TEACH US TO INTERFERE WHILE HE VENTS HIS SMARMY SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS ON NIGEL!  UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!

ITT: Roger is the very visage of generosity.

In some cultures, I am revered as a model of calmness and serenity.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on November 24, 2009, 06:09:33 PM
Those cultures are known to rampage across most of Asia, also parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

But yes, to them, Roger is known as a man of moderation, sanity, and a serene calm that trancends traditional boundaries and appears, to the untrained eye, as rage.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on November 24, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
MS, didn't you once have access to large-paper printers?

Your help may be needed here:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23070.msg783694#msg783694
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cramulus on November 24, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
as of today, the links ITT have been removed from the Black Iron Prison wiki


hope you guys are happy with this resolution  :cry:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 06:36:49 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on November 24, 2009, 06:09:33 PM
Those cultures are known to rampage across most of Asia, also parts of Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

But yes, to them, Roger is known as a man of moderation, sanity, and a serene calm that trancends traditional boundaries and appears, to the untrained eye, as rage.


That will do nicely.

The Chechens, for example, refer to me as their own personal Buddha.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2009, 06:37:39 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on November 24, 2009, 06:27:51 PM
as of today, the links ITT have been removed from the Black Iron Prison wiki


hope you guys are happy with this resolution  :cry:

I'm not thrilled about it, but what are ya gonna do?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2009, 12:17:07 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on November 24, 2009, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: FP on November 23, 2009, 06:48:44 PM
This thread, and the fact the flyers are still "pulled", is the reason why I always skip any comment made by net.

Restricting access to good material, for a reason as petty and stupid as spite against one person, annoys the cock off me.

You can fill in the reasons for why I pulled the flyers with all sorts of petty and stupid pap, but that wouldn't be the truth.

I'm sure it will help the continued campaign against me though, if you repeat it continuously, even after it's been proved to be a lie, since I don't have the time or interest to defend myself from the continued character assassination.

I'm not sure why I should continue providing materials that I put a lot of work into to a community that by in large either had sympathy for me but made no comment, or actively directed vile shit towards me after Nigel fanned the flames of a personal disagreement between me and her by forcing it into the public sphere.

Rather than put energy into a community that's hostile to me, I'm now here for shits and giggles and the few people that I count as friends.

The "disagreement" started out public and stayed public except for the vile crap you rained into my PM box, you vicious, delusional, revisionist prick. You are one nasty, fucked-up piece of work and the world will be a slightly better place the day you finally crawl into a hole and die.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on November 25, 2009, 12:58:08 AM
oh jesus monkeyshit on a stick

ABANDON THREAD!


EVERYONE BAIL OUT! BAIL THE FUCK OUT!

:memnoch2:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 25, 2009, 01:03:54 AM
Quote from: Cainad on November 25, 2009, 12:58:08 AM
oh jesus monkeyshit on a stick

ABANDON THREAD!


EVERYONE BAIL OUT! BAIL THE FUCK OUT!


:memnoch2:

fixed.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2009, 03:46:16 PM
Fuck bailing out.  I'm gonna ride this thing down in flames.  I wouldn't miss it for the world.

Because I am The Bad Reverend Roger.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
MONKEY NO LEARN.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 25, 2009, 04:04:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 25, 2009, 04:00:16 PM
MONKEY NO LEARN.

Monkey learned.  Monkey doing it anyfuckingway.

:lulz:

TGRR,
Is like the bad guy in Rebel Without A Cause, only without the cool car.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on November 25, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 24, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
MS, didn't you once have access to large-paper printers?

Your help may be needed here:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=23070.msg783694#msg783694

As I have graduated from that fine institution, I am sadly no longer granted access to amazing printery devices.

But I shall peruse your thread anyway.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on November 25, 2009, 09:42:34 PM
(http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3139/inezvanlamsweerdevinood.jpg)
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on November 26, 2009, 02:30:22 AM
I find that vaguely erotic
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Mourning Star on November 30, 2009, 05:42:18 PM
So yeah, this is probably completely out of line.  But fuckit.

http:LMNODDED






Modded by LMNO by request of one of the copyright holders.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 30, 2009, 06:29:16 PM
Quote from: Mourning Star on November 30, 2009, 05:42:18 PM
So yeah, this is probably completely out of line.  But fuckit.

http:LMNODDED



What is it (Websense is being a bitch)?







Modded by LMNO by request of one of the copyright holders.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Freeky on November 30, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
It's a link to a download called "Operation Mindfuck.rar". Posters are in it.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 30, 2009, 09:47:25 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on November 30, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
It's a link to a download called "Operation Mindfuck.rar".

It's probably the fliers in question.

I won't be using them, though, as - unlike Net - I recognize that the fliers are the product of two people, not just one, and since he has withdrawn his side, they no longer exist.

It's a matter of principle.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Freeky on November 30, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
They do seem to be, the flyer I opened was signed by you, and has pretty pictures.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on November 30, 2009, 09:54:11 PM
Quote from: Mistress Freeky on November 30, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
They do seem to be, the flyer I opened was signed by you, and has pretty pictures.

Those would be the ones.

It's unfortunate that Net had to let his hate get all out of focus like this.  Can't really fault him for it, of course, as I've done it here not once but twice, before I had my hate gland properly calibrated.  But still, it's a shame.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 03:13:52 AM
Yeah, Mourning Start, that's not cool to post the PDFs I created out of Roger's writing.

I have the design files to prove I created them.

You may also get into some trouble with Adobe if you continue to make those available for legal reasons I won't go into.

As a matter of copyright, the PDFs belong to me and you do not have permission to use them.

My copyright is a separate legal matter from those you may run into with Adobe.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 03:54:28 AM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 03:13:52 AM
Yeah, Mourning Start, that's not cool to post the PDFs I created out of Roger's writing.

I have the design files to prove I created them.

You may also get into some trouble with Adobe if you continue to make those available for legal reasons I won't go into.

As a matter of copyright, the PDFs belong to US and you do not have permission to use them.

My copyright is a separate legal matter from those you may run into with Adobe.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 02:16:27 PM
It has been brought to my attention that, as the mod of this subforum, that it may fall under the purview of my so-called "job" to delete that link.

I'd like to point out that contacting MS directly might have been the more honorable move, but I'll bork the link anyway, as it seems to be causing insanely stupid drama.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
What's honor, when you can have petulance?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 02:23:28 PM
ZE POWER!  EET FLOWS THROUGH MINE FINGERTEEPZ!

:magick:
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
I can only work with the information with which I am provided.  If someone chooses not to provide that information, I can not be at fault.





Also, if you notice, I did not name anyone in the above post; I may have been referring to someone other than you.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
I can only work with the information with which I am provided.  If someone chooses not to provide that information, I can not be at fault.





Also, if you notice, I did not name anyone in the above post; I may have been referring to someone other than you.

By utilizing a mirror, you may become aware that while it may feel like you covered your hindquarters with the above post, that the substrate you implemented was indeed transparent, good sir.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
The above two posts from you are a very good example of why I didn't really want to get involved with your sticky little mess.


I'm guessing you also complain about your local garbagemen, who come to clear away your mess?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Triple Zero on December 01, 2009, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 03:13:52 AM
You may also get into some trouble with Adobe if you continue to make those available for legal reasons I won't go into.

I wonder, if that's about fonts, the type in PDFs is stored as outlines, which is not copyrighted. The font-file, being software, used to create those outlines, is (but that is on your computer, not in the PDF).

Then of course, there's the tricky question about withdrawing copyrights, which is in fact not at all possible. Once you give it, it is no longer yours to take back. For instance, back when everything was okay I had printed out several of those flyers. I still have a couple left. They are still legal for me to put up whereever I want on the streets. Now if I were to print off a couple of new ones from the pack I just downloaded via MS's link, there's no way to tell if they hadn't been from the ones I had left over, or copies of those. Which is why, even if you magically could tell, it is legal for me to do so.

The same case can naturally be made for MS's digital copies, which he grabbed way back when it was okay for him to do so, and okay to repost with attribution. He had the right to do so back then, and not even if you are the creator of the work, you cannot change or take away this right from him. Unless you distributed those flyers with a very tricksy license, but even then--at least in my jurisdiction--it would be questionable if that carried any legal weight.

In short, you can ask us very nicely if we would please not distribute those flyers in any form anymore, ever. But you cannot claim any legal rights withdrawing our rights to do with those flyers what you allowed us to do with them, from the moment you first posted them.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 03:56:34 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 01, 2009, 03:07:58 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 03:13:52 AM
You may also get into some trouble with Adobe if you continue to make those available for legal reasons I won't go into.

I wonder, if that's about fonts, the type in PDFs is stored as outlines, which is not copyrighted. The font-file, being software, used to create those outlines, is (but that is on your computer, not in the PDF).

Then of course, there's the tricky question about withdrawing copyrights, which is in fact not at all possible. Once you give it, it is no longer yours to take back. For instance, back when everything was okay I had printed out several of those flyers. I still have a couple left. They are still legal for me to put up whereever I want on the streets. Now if I were to print off a couple of new ones from the pack I just downloaded via MS's link, there's no way to tell if they hadn't been from the ones I had left over, or copies of those. Which is why, even if you magically could tell, it is legal for me to do so.

The same case can naturally be made for MS's digital copies, which he grabbed way back when it was okay for him to do so, and okay to repost with attribution. He had the right to do so back then, and not even if you are the creator of the work, you cannot change or take away this right from him. Unless you distributed those flyers with a very tricksy license, but even then--at least in my jurisdiction--it would be questionable if that carried any legal weight.

In short, you can ask us very nicely if we would please not distribute those flyers in any form anymore, ever. But you cannot claim any legal rights withdrawing our rights to do with those flyers what you allowed us to do with them, from the moment you first posted them.

Nope.

I don't need to create a tricksy license for me to control my copyright. The opposite is true, you would have needed ME to sign a tricksy license for you to have more control over my work than me.

I made no unconditional transfer of rights to anyone at any time. Unless I signed a contract with someone otherwise, my creative work defaults to me without any need to declare it.

There is an easy way to tell whether you and others have downloaded the fliers after the time I revoked my consent for their distribution. You don't have my permission to distribute or reproduce my PDF files. If you have the files from when I gave consent that doesn't mean you can copy it to a file transfer service now and make it publicly available. 

There is no "withdrawing" of copyright since I never transfered it or ceded interest in it.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 02:42:20 PM
I can only work with the information with which I am provided.  If someone chooses not to provide that information, I can not be at fault.





Also, if you notice, I did not name anyone in the above post; I may have been referring to someone other than you.

By utilizing a mirror, you may become aware that while it may feel like you covered your hindquarters with the above post, that the substrate you implemented was indeed transparent, good sir.

Mr Pot, meet Mr Kettle.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 04:03:17 PM
Quote from: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
The above two posts from you are a very good example of why I didn't really want to get involved with your sticky little mess.


I'm guessing you also complain about your local garbagemen, who come to clear away your mess?

You could have refrained from comment if you really wanted to stay out of it.

And no, garbage men around here don't make unwarranted snide remarks and then backpedal when they're called on it.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".

I never claimed your writing as my own as I didn't write it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not design it.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: LMNO on December 01, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
Sorry, br'er rabbit, not gonna play.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".

I never claimed your writing as my own as I didn't write it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not design it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not generate the content.

This is an additional reason why I agree with you concerning MS's link.  Before it was just on principle, but now I dont ever want those PDFs to see the light of day.  You no longer have permission to use my content in them, in the exact same manner you are refusing to allow anyone to use the PDF itself.  Please destroy all copies you have, and I will ask MS to do the same.

I will have someone else (or just myself) do them again, and the problem will cease being an issue.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".

I never claimed your writing as my own as I didn't write it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not design it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not generate the content.

This is an additional reason why I agree with you concerning MS's link.  Before it was just on principle, but now I dont ever want those PDFs to see the light of day.  You no longer have permission to use my content in them, in the exact same manner you are refusing to allow anyone to use the PDF itself.  Please destroy all copies you have, and I will ask MS to do the same.

I will have someone else (or just myself) do them again, and the problem will cease being an issue.

Fine.

I'll destroy the PDFs and existing printed copies of the fliers.

You can delete FP's link in the Attribution thread too.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".

I never claimed your writing as my own as I didn't write it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not design it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not generate the content.

This is an additional reason why I agree with you concerning MS's link.  Before it was just on principle, but now I dont ever want those PDFs to see the light of day.  You no longer have permission to use my content in them, in the exact same manner you are refusing to allow anyone to use the PDF itself.  Please destroy all copies you have, and I will ask MS to do the same.

I will have someone else (or just myself) do them again, and the problem will cease being an issue.

Fine.

I'll destroy the PDFs and existing printed copies of the fliers.

You can delete FP's link in the Attribution thread too.

Certainly.  Where, precisely, is it?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 01, 2009, 04:41:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:22:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
I did try to contact MS.

He hasn't logged in since yesterday morning.

But, thanks for the nasty assumptions, you honorable, honorable chap.

"Honor" defined as "take someone else's work, format it, and then claim the results as strictly your own".

I never claimed your writing as my own as I didn't write it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not design it.

You cannot claim the PDF file as you did not generate the content.

This is an additional reason why I agree with you concerning MS's link.  Before it was just on principle, but now I dont ever want those PDFs to see the light of day.  You no longer have permission to use my content in them, in the exact same manner you are refusing to allow anyone to use the PDF itself.  Please destroy all copies you have, and I will ask MS to do the same.

I will have someone else (or just myself) do them again, and the problem will cease being an issue.

Fine.

I'll destroy the PDFs and existing printed copies of the fliers.

You can delete FP's link in the Attribution thread too.

Certainly.  Where, precisely, is it?
Gone.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:48:23 PM
What was it, FP?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
Net, let's play a role playing game.  I'll be Germany, you be Russia.

Non-aggression pact for the moment, ya think?

FP can be Poland.  You take the right ass cheek, I'll take the left.  When he's toast, we can go back to pounding on each other.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 01, 2009, 04:56:37 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
Net, let's play a role playing game.  I'll be Germany, you be Russia.

Non-aggression pact for the moment, ya think?

FP can be Poland.  You take the right ass cheek, I'll take the left.  When he's toast, we can go back to pounding on each other.

Deal.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Triple Zero on December 01, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
Quote from: Ne+@uNGr0+ on December 01, 2009, 03:56:34 PM
I made no unconditional transfer of rights to anyone at any time.

then what did you do when you posted them first?

you intended us to download those PDFs, print them, and give them out to people and put them up on walls and stuff.

which are acts of copying and acts of distributing. together they form "copyright". so yeah, you implicitly granted us license of those rights.

you have power over your own work, but you have no power over the license someone has on a copy after you give it. well, you can add to those rights (being the creator of the design, for example granting rights to distribute in addition to copy), but you cannot take it away unless the license says so. and "you are free to print and distribute these flyers for as long as I feel like you can or until I get angry at Roger" just isn't the kind of assumed implicit license that comes with posting flyers and posters on a messageboard dedicated to (among other things) distributing flyers and posters.

that's why publishers don't really like work that's been published online before. because they can't get exclusive copyright anymore.

QuoteUnless I signed a contract with someone otherwise, my creative work defaults to me without any need to declare it.

yes.

Legally obtained copies of that work, however come with whatever license they were given with. In this case, the implicit license to copy, print and redistribute them. Because you posted a bunch of posters and flyers. For this forum. To print. And copy. And distribute.

QuoteThere is an easy way to tell whether you and others have downloaded the fliers after the time I revoked my consent for their distribution.

yeah? how?

QuoteIf you have the files from when I gave consent that doesn't mean you can copy it to a file transfer service now and make it publicly available.

That is arguably true. You intended them for print, and paper distribution. So making them publicly available digitally is, maybe, not an implied right when you posted those flyers. But I don't know for sure.

And before you say there is no such thing as an implied license. There has to be. Otherwise there would be no license. And anybody downloading, printing and distributing those flyers when you gave consent would have been violating your copyright. And you could sue all of them after the fact whenever you felt like it. Fortunately that is not how copyright works.

QuoteThere is no "withdrawing" of copyright since I never transfered it or ceded interest in it.

See above. If you did not transfer any copyright, nobody could have been legally downloading, printed and distributed those flyers back when you gave consent.

That is why there is implied license. So you don't have to give a license if you just wanna put up a link with your flyers. The implied license, however, is not temporary or subject to change at the whim of the creator. Just like any other license (that doesn't explicitly state so) isn't.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 05:18:04 PM
Triple Zero, let's just leave legalities aside for half a second, and talk about this on the community level, shall we?

While I disagree that the fliers are solely Nets, they are half his, IMO, for reasons discussed to death.  As such, if he wants them pulled, then fuck it, pull them. 

This is PD.  There is no profit margin, here.  There is a group of like-minded individuals, and things should be done on a basis of respect for our peers.  If someone wants to take their ball and go home, let them.

One thing we do NOT want to do is allow the board itself to have ANY ownership of content posted, as that opens us up to really NASTY problems, should anyone post anything illegal here.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: hooplala on December 01, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Roger, if you are still interested I will redesign the flyer over the Xmas holiday, if only to shut Net up for good.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on December 02, 2009, 01:00:46 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Roger, if you are still interested I will redesign the flyer over the Xmas holiday, if only to shut Net up for good.

Good

Mine didn't do Roger justice.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2009, 01:20:13 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Roger, if you are still interested I will redesign the flyer over the Xmas holiday, if only to shut Net up for good.

I'd like that a lot, Hoops.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: hooplala on December 02, 2009, 01:42:07 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 02, 2009, 01:20:13 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 01, 2009, 10:46:29 PM
Roger, if you are still interested I will redesign the flyer over the Xmas holiday, if only to shut Net up for good.

I'd like that a lot, Hoops.

Consider it done. 
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Triple Zero on December 03, 2009, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 05:18:04 PM
Triple Zero, let's just leave legalities aside for half a second, and talk about this on the community level, shall we?

yeah ok, those are the more important reasons anyway.

at that level, I have a couple of old prints, ragged flyers* in one of my discordia folders, that aren't supposed to exist  :? :lol:



*they are seriously years old and I carried them around everywhere, I printed off too many and somehow I go through cram's "exercise your right to be wrong" and "cats / robot internet people" posters a lot quicker (those two probably being my favourites).
Which reminds me, I also have quite a lot of your "The Con", that (IIRC) starts with "Tell yourself everything is okay.", I had formatted it quite nicely but I don't think I ever posted the formatted version (in fact never saved it, just hacked at the print page HTML of your forum post until it looked clean and pretty, and printed 50 copies). My point being, I should dig up that text and make a new PDF from it. It was just the right type of paranoid confusing truth I liked to hand out to people.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on December 03, 2009, 11:02:34 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 03, 2009, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 01, 2009, 05:18:04 PM
Triple Zero, let's just leave legalities aside for half a second, and talk about this on the community level, shall we?

yeah ok, those are the more important reasons anyway.

at that level, I have a couple of old prints, ragged flyers* in one of my discordia folders, that aren't supposed to exist  :? :lol:



*they are seriously years old and I carried them around everywhere, I printed off too many and somehow I go through cram's "exercise your right to be wrong" and "cats / robot internet people" posters a lot quicker (those two probably being my favourites).
Which reminds me, I also have quite a lot of your "The Con", that (IIRC) starts with "Tell yourself everything is okay.", I had formatted it quite nicely but I don't think I ever posted the formatted version (in fact never saved it, just hacked at the print page HTML of your forum post until it looked clean and pretty, and printed 50 copies). My point being, I should dig up that text and make a new PDF from it. It was just the right type of paranoid confusing truth I liked to hand out to people.

Meh. 
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Captain Utopia on December 08, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
Actually, I'm going to offer up a quick apology to Ne+@uNGr0+. As an archivist at heart, I hate to see any restriction of ideas or information, and I mistakenly thought that by being a dick to him that I could convince him to re-release the pdfs. This was both stupid and fanatical of me - sorry about that Ne+@uNGr0+.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: East Coast Hustle on December 08, 2009, 06:50:38 AM
this whole thread is retarded, and every post in it is retarded including this one.
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: Ben Shapiro on April 13, 2014, 01:36:01 AM
<3 this thread! Where's the flyers?
Title: Re: Roger Flyers — US Release
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on April 13, 2014, 04:33:44 AM
Quote from: Derrick Hogue on April 13, 2014, 01:36:01 AM
<3 this thread! Where's the flyers?

The guy who made them deleted them, for reasons that are probably left to history.