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So...what do I win?
I hope it's pie.
The Commander
DIA
Its not pie
Why not?
Yeah, what do the prize givers have against pie?
The Commander
DIA
The same thing we have against tequila and stabbity stabbity whatever.
It reeks of Hugh.
Have you seen what Roger does to toilets? No way are we letting him near one.
So...what do I win?
I hope it's pie.
The Commander
DIA
Its not pie
Why not?
Not all disorder is Holy, only creative disorder.
Get that through your thick skulls numb nuts.
17 years later, it's nice to look back on this and remember what happened to Tao immediately after this thread.
EDIT: Thread is no longer 23 pages long. Not sorry.
Bella was killed in a high speed pursuit with the cops a few years back when the fuel transport she shot to create a barrier took the whole bridge out from under them.
Eris von tartarus kind of stopped posting here after her and her sister had a breakout hit with The Matrix and its sequels.
Roger is still around, we keep him in one of those Fritzle basements
I read anthropology blogs outside of class, for fun.
I read fantasy novels, because fantasy is the shiznit. I'm on book 2 of the A Song of Ice and Fire series.
I like to make beaded jewellery and the occasional bit of wire-working, but have not done it lately.
I like to write! But I don't do it because school is all-encompassing. I really ought to do it more.
Previously, I went to a private college for crazy hippies where I learned how to do spa massage, acupressure, reflexology, iridology, many 'intuitive' practices, hot stone massage, mani and pedicures, gel and acrylic nails, energy healing and reiki, and a bunch of other stuff. My dad wanted me to go to the school. All the certificates are useless because the field of spa crap sucks balls and has very little scientific gratification. I am a much happier panda at University.
Facebook is my liiiiiife.
I keep deleting paragraphs because I am not sure they are interesting enough. I'm a boring person beyond my deeply sexual feelings for Anthropology. If Anthropology were a chick and I had a wang, I'd bone that field so harrrrd.
It's not like every character is equally skilled at every task. Everybody still has a niche. But you no longer get told, "Sorry, this is the rogue's encounter, why don't you just hang back so you don't fuck everything up?"
There are still a million ways to build a character that is poor at combat encounters. Like you could build a fighter with a 10 in strength, or just take feats/powers that won't come up too frequently. Or choose a suboptimal fighting style, like a rogue with a two handed sword (can't sneak attack), or a fighter who insists on using a dagger.
If you want to play in a campaign where you're constantly talking your way out of combat, that sounds like something that you'd discuss with your GM as a part of campaign concept, not necessarily character build.
To build a 4e character specialized in avoiding combat, I'd take skill training in diplomacy, bluff, and sneak.
Ahh, I had assumed you were talking about the removal of some of the more obscure Lore skills from the skill system. Like in 3e, you could spend skill points to be well versed in heraldry and nobility. In 4e, if you want to be well versed in heraldry, you just tell your GM that you're well versed in heraldry... there's no need to spend anything on it.
A lot of people carry around this idea that if you're really into role playing, your character sheet will have a lot of "role playing" skills (as opposed to skills which can be used in combat). I agree that tjpse aren't mutually exclusive. This is sometimes called the Stormwind Fallacy. The gist of it is that a game's rules do not prohibit roleplaying - how much you role play is up to your group, it has barely anything to do with the game's rules and how you build your character. So to say that a system limits role playing is a fallacy. Again, I hold up the campaign I'm running which has an emphasis on RP and almost zero likeness to WoW. The only substantive difference between my 4e campaign and the numerous 3e campaigns I've run is that the combat is more interesting (IMO) and moves a lot faster.
Okay, just to clarify: It takes a certain mood to write horrorology, and the cookies & pie shit kills it.
So it's not a matter of being pissy, it's a matter of being knocked out of the zone. I am asking nicely, please limit that shit to other areas of the board. Mittens and praise are not the object, here. The object is to get on a streak and stay there as long as possible.
You forgot cookies & pie, stabbity stabbity.
Not sure why the fuck I bother, to be honest.
Talking about The Commander's posts.
There's nothing that fills me with hate faster than pounding out a rant NOT meant for Apple Talk, and then having some pineal fuckwit shit on it.
Ah yes, I understand your pain!!! But hey, it does help your actual point in the rant right?
Yes, I suppose there's that. It's still a pain in the ass, though. I mean, it's a deliberate slap in the face.
I've given The Commander a lot of leeway, because he's one of the old school crowd, but this is the end of the fucking line.
Yeah, part of the design goal for 4th edition was to remove the situation where one character solves the encounter while everybody else waits. This meant actually balancing the classes in terms of both in-combat and out-of-combat usefulness. Gone are the days when the party bard does all the talking and the rogue does all the searching... now, everybody plays in every encounter.
It used to really irk me how when I was running a dungeon, most of the dialogue at the table was between the DM and the rogue. Then when we get into combat, everybody can play again.
It also used to irk me that a character could become bad at combat just by choosing certain conceptual combinations. I ran a campaign where one of the PCs was a thief who ended up becoming ordained as a cleric of the thief god. But it turns out that picking up a few levels of cleric ultimately makes you both a bad rogue and a bad cleric. The multiclass rules are now a bit more permissive of building weird concepts without becoming either game breaking or game losing.
In terms of the skill system limiting character concept / role play ---
There is nothing stopping you from having a character who is well versed in some certain topic or skill - for example, you can have a character who is a shipwright even though there is no "shipwright" skill on the sheet. Those types of skills usually have little bearing on combat, so I think it was a good design choice to not make people choose between character concept and combat efficacy.
If anything, the "role playing" got taken out in the jump between 2nd and 3rd edition, when they made stuff like Diplomacy into a skill check instead of entirely basing it on a conversation between player and DM. A good change, if you ask me.
