http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html
Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.
This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.
What a cheery concept.
They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.
The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.
Anybody want to toss the Golden Sphere of Possibility their way?
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 01:43:39 PM
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.
Anybody want to toss the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself their way?
f1x.
TEHMANG 222000000 points - concordiamovement nil poi.
Quote from: Mangrove on March 14, 2007, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 01:43:39 PM
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.
Anybody want to toss the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself their way?
f1x.
That tears it. We need to get Parker Brothers on the horn to develop a BIP Monopoly game. So, far for tokens we've got a barstool, the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself, we could throw in a golden apple for nostalgia.
Just a thought...
the dude *may* have a point.
BIP does sorta come off as pretty depressing.
Not that it doesn't sorta make sense, but yeah... come on, the name already suggests it's not a "fun" read.
Sure, it's depressing to someone who totally misses the point
Lys, check out the "GSP" thread I just bumped. Let me know if that's any less depressing.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 14, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
Sure, it's depressing to someone who totally misses the point
I second that statement.
Ah yeah, GSP thread curious.
Also, that site mentioned...
it's discordians trying to "take down" discordia, so I don't think it needs to be taken too seriously in the first place.
Yeah, I know. I'm 99% certain of who it is too, and I like giving them the exposure they deserve.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 03:15:15 PM
Ah yeah, GSP thread curious.
Also, that site mentioned...
it's discordians trying to "take down" discordia, so I don't think it needs to be taken too seriously in the first place.
Very few things do. On the other hand, it's not a bad idea to have someone occasionally taking us to task like we do others. It may be that they're missing the point because they're too heavily invested in another worldview to even begin to understand what we're doing/saying, but it may also be that we're getting too far into the habit of ... preaching to the choir isn't the best metaphor, but when we write stuff to post here, we know that most of them already have certain understandings, grok our acronyms and our..."culturally unique" metaphors, so we forget to try writing with an eye toward the "lay person".
i think it's interesting that this guy got almost the same conclusion as Laz did.
no matter if they both completely missed the fucking point, we might want to think about priming the BIP concept for short-sightedness
Oh no, I didn't miss the point.
I never said that the book sucked, it just comes off dark and depressing. I can see how it IS a good thing though.
But yeah, you have to remember, we're dealing with cabbages here, they could pikc it up, see "Black iron prison" and go, "Oh that's not happy enough for me to bother with" and toss it in the bin or sommink.
Just a thought.
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 04:23:05 PM
Oh no, I didn't miss the point.
I never said that the book sucked, it just comes off dark and depressing. I can see how it IS a good thing though.
But yeah, you have to remember, we're dealing with cabbages here, they could pikc it up, see "Black iron prison" and go, "Oh that's not happy enough for me to bother with" and toss it in the bin or sommink.
Just a thought.
True, but I don't think anyone has any delusion of getting to
everybody. Even if 5% read it and get it, it's better than nothing.
I do think we might want to put something like, "if you think this is depressing, you haven't really understood it yet. Read it again" somewhere. Maybe the back cover?
You know, your dealing with an ex-telemarketer here :P
5% is the average we expect on a GOOD day. Thats about what a "decent" telemarketer can achieve anyway.
There are some "pros" that get about 15% conversation rate, that takes some serious fucking marketing skills.
At my best guess, I'd wager the average of this book actually getting through to them is around 1-2%.
But I could be dead wrong.
I've never tried to market "thinking" to people before.
Just a thought.
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:27:13 PM
I do think we might want to put something like, "if you think this is depressing, you haven't really understood it yet. Read it again" somewhere. Maybe the back cover?
That might be a *good* idea, similer to PD's "If you think this is all a bunch of ha-ha, read it again" thing.
How bout'
"If you thought the BIP was a downer, drop the razor and read it again."
Heh, I like.
Could also have a little certified stamp that says "Just say no to emo" or somethink :P
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 04:23:05 PMOh no, I didn't miss the point.
I never said that the book sucked, it just comes off dark and depressing. I can see how it IS a good thing though.
ah but i wasn't talking about you, but about the concordiamovement guy in the OP
Telling somone they need to read the thing that depressed them again is an inferior tactic to not depressing them in the first place.
Suggests to me there is scope for revising. I've been in the "BIP coulda been more upbeat" - camp since I read it.
BIP was the second piece of discordian literature I ever read. I liked it. I thought it was really good but I didn't think it was quite as good as the original PD.
I hope I'm not pissing on anyones parade here because I reckon between the talent that produced the BIP and the noobs who have arrived here since then there is the potential to produce a doc that blows PD out the water.
if at first you don't succeed ....
[edit] IMO this forum blows PD out the water and off the map. But it's a bastard of a thing to print out
Ugh, look. I am a reformed depressed-goth-emo-whatever. I wrote the dark poetry, wore the black clothes, told everyone I wanted to die, etc., etc.,
But really, REALLY, please, somebody for the love of Frederick tell me, specifically, how is the BIP depressing?
"The world is fucked up. But, you don't have to be fucked up with it." How is that depressing?
"I'm not in prison! I am freeeeeee!"
\
:mullet:
That's how.
well it seems rather obvious, but it isn't to many.
just like a lot of people only tend to notice the first part of the law of fives, and ignore the second
maybe a lot of people tend only to see the "black! prison! you can't escape! the world is fucked!" bit and ignore the "But, you don't have to be fucked up with it" part.
but if they get that wrong that doesn't mean they can never get it.
most probably they are still locked into some sort of preconceived notion, which they should be shaken out of.
It's nothing I can specifically put my finger on. It's the overall impression I came away with. There were bits that made me laugh but the overwhelming mood was one of doom. Maybe someone with mad lit crit skillz could explain why but that aint me, I just tell it like I see it.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html
Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.
This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.
What a cheery concept.
They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.
The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
Which disgruntled noob was this?
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 04:27:13 PM
I do think we might want to put something like, "if you think this is depressing, you haven't really understood it yet. Read it again" somewhere. Maybe the back cover?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Like that is going to suddenly cause asshole bloggers to start telling the TRUTH, rather than just putting whatever slant they feel on a given subject?
Come on, man! These assholes make Armstrong Williams look like a journalist.
:lulz:
Cripes, so do we have to start including a dose of Ritalin with every pamphlet so they will be able to pay attention? Maybe we need to throw in some Zoloft too.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2007, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html
Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.
This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.
What a cheery concept.
They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.
The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
Which disgruntled noob was this?
Its one of our own, posing as a passably intelligent (but not too smart) critic.
I think the offer of free drugs will make us very popular.
Unfortunately.
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 05:50:51 PM
I think the offer of free drugs will make us very popular.
Unfortunately.
True. They'd just sell the drugs and chuck the pamphlet.
Back to the drawing board.
Oh, on my next rant I will be including sketches of unicorns, rainbows, and fluffy bunnies so no one gets too glum while reading it.
GUYS I FIXED IT
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/bin/Dollar_bip_niger_ferrum_carcer.jpg)
I more or less hate you for that.
:lulz:
Here's you sunshine everyone:
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29/RWHN/dead-unicorn1.jpg)
Do you feel happier now?
Okay, I've purged. So, what were we talking about?
you know, I had seen that himeobs pic before but I had never noticed the unicorn had rainbow blood. I always wondered where rainbows come from.
This all just makes me think we should try, briefly, to produce the worst. pamphlet. ever. That way we won't make the same mistakes twice.
Easy. We all get really stoned, and just start posting the first thing that comes to our heads.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a95/discordman/noob3.gif)
ohhhhh shit you're right, we don't have to write anything! we'll just take all the shitty n00bish posts and format them into a pamphlet
for n00bs by n00bs
y'know that would be an interesting experiment. At POEE you have to post in a certain section before you can become full-fledged. Here we could do something like you have to post a rant/sermon/writing before your 50th post, or else, something. Then put em all together. Kind of like a pre-test or something. Or maybe that's a bad idea.
Just go into the member list, and compile the first posts from each member.
That would be fucking awful.
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 06:35:09 PM
Just go into the member list, and compile the first posts from each member.
That would be fucking awful.
That's so fucked it HAS to be done ... BRB
This should be rich.
In no particular order other than the order I saw the names when I looked through the current threads. Some people have been missed out - that's intentional. people not on this list I hate ... more than the ones who made it.
Quote from: Cain:
Sorry, newbie post yadda yadda but I read the book an I am now confused (in a good way, I think). Is that a good start? Also is Malaclypse in any way related to the Malaclypse character (conspriacy theorist-priest supremo) on the Discworld Noir PC game?
Quote from: Thurnez Isa:
Hi
names Dan sometimes
sometimes I go by Thorn Is
26
male sometimes
northern ontario
thats north of southern ontario
grocery clerk
run the health and beauty section
about as fun as it sounds
Quote from: Professor Cramulus:
Dear You:
Welcome me to the board now, okay? To help me get up to speed, please summarize this entire peedeedotcom forum fiasco in one word or less. Perhaps include HIMEOBS.
Love,
Professor Cramulus
"With the beating of a thousand horses
my heart breaks into flight"
Quote from: Felix Mackay
ECH,
Does the concept of technological singularity have any basis beyond academic theory?
Quote from: Triple Zero
ah, so apparently my account DID get activated afterall :)
hi everybody!
what to tell .. i was already registered over there at poee.co.uk for a while, now i'm here as well.
well, that's all i have to say for now.. cya around
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name:
Good day all,
I am the Reverend What's-His-Name? of the Maine Platypus Kabal here in Southern Maine. Currently it consists of myself and one other nameless person. We will be picking it soon.
I've enjoyed 29 revolutions around the Mother thusfar.
I am employed in the profession of retail which is desperately in need of an enlightenment. At least the sector I belong to.
I am unioned with a startlingly stunning member of the female persuasion and together have begat a future discordian, also of the persuasive gender.
I'm glad to have stumbled upon a meeting ground of other discordians here in the digital realm. I'm sure I shall enjoy my time here and look forward to swamping, I mean swapping conversations with many of you.
Thank you. Hail Eris! and 5 tons of flax.
Quote from: synaptyx:
Hi,
Just read the Principia Discordia, being a roleplayer and having an open mind (an essential pre-requisite really) I have been interested in alternative religions/belief systems more leaning towards the themes of Chaos and Paganism. I think I've found something I can relate to in the Principia. :) I decided to google about and see what people were saying about it, I just knew there'd be a forum out there and am delighted to find one, even better that it's populated by a bunch of roleplayers. :) I've been roleplaying on and off for about 13 years. The RPG group I was with got too big and I was falling asleep waiting on my turn so I left for a couple of years(!). I am about to rejoin the same group, which has shrunk a bit since we parted ways and am looking forward to it immensly. Strangely, most of the people in the group have turned to Wicca/Chaos Madgick, or a branch of Paganism from their born into religions/belief sets. I am the only Discordian in the group. Mostly my characters are preists and clerics, so it looks like I will be adapting Discordianism into D&D, etc, possibly even the Red Dwarf RPG. :)
Quote from: Mangrove:
....against Kabbalah Lite (tm)!!!!!!
Papal Decree by Pope Throatwobbler Mangrove xvii
Madonna & her red string wearing cronies, spouting their useless kabbalah-lite (tm) must be neutralized.
They teach that mankind is physically & spiritually blocked on all sides......no it fucking isn't.
To counter this cultish nonsense, a new (dis)order has been formed...sort of...
The Semi Secret Order of Kabbalistic Navigators
Tenets: If there's an obstacle. Go around it, dumbass.
Members must wear red string on their left arm and green on their right. Symbolic of their navigation through bullshit.
Members will contemplate & analyze pointlessly, the holy 3 lettered divine name - G.P.S.
It is the duty of all navigators to inform the red string wearers that your green string has the power to negate their anti-evil eye powers.....and then glare at them menacingly.
"Putting the tree of life back on track."
So mote it be!
Pope T.Mangrove xvii
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger:
Carmina Burana by Orff.
If you listen to THAT, and you aren't having sex (or burning down the village of your enemies), you SHOULD be.
Quote from: Heckler567:
never wrong, perhaps maybe when thinking about a rhino that doesnt love you any more but not in general. but im just a noob what do i know.
Quote from: That One Guy:
Hi all. I stumbled on this madness trying to find a decent PD link, lurked for a bit, then (against my better and worse judgement) thought I'd wander up to the discussion trough.
Just to get some background of mine out of the way (so we can all get our preconceptions in-line):
I was raised Unitarian Universalist, then ran across a copy of RAW's Schroedinger's Cat Trilogy when I was 17 (still one of my all-time favorites, and the best description of the parallel universe model I've managed to find) which led to, naturally, the Illuminatus! Trilogy and PD, as well as a bunch of other weird and wild stuff. I'm an agnostic, but since it's nice to have someone to blaspheme at, Eris fits the bill nicely.
I'm a musician (professionally trained at Berklee in Boston where I still live, for what very, very little that's worth) and I also kill time in an office at one of the larger "learning institutions" here in Beantown. I used to think I wanted to be a professional musician, but then I actually dealt with the industry, and you couldn't make me deal with those assholes if you paid me enough to afford my own country - one of the bigger ones with a decent military, not some tiny-assed island.
Now I just spend my time doing whatever seems kind of cool at the moment. Mostly that's reading, noodling on the bass (my instrument of choice) or playing video games while ruminating on matters both mundane and esoteric, unless I don't feel like it just then.
Anyway, just thought I'd throw some basics about me, so when you ask yourself "Hey. Who's that one guy?" you've got this to help.
Oh, and the requisite 23, fnord, etc. to just get it out of the way
Quote from: Mourning Star:
My name's Angel, 25 years old. Central, NY.
The rest is learned in time.
~Angel
"Half of life is fucking up, the other half is dealing with it."--Henry Rollins
Quote from: The Littlest Ubermensch:
This is my first rant, and first post here, so tell me what you think.
Look at the world around you, and can you say the normal, ,Äúsane,Äù individual truly lives a fulfilled life? What has happened to these individuals stripped of their identity? They are a product of a world without spirituality!
Not that any of this is to say bullshit claiming to be the word of some great patriarch pimp in the sky is spirituality, but the soul, the primal drive for some sort of untamed, unmolded, uninhibited growth, needs to be reclaimed by man. Over the millennia we have learned religion and organization offers no solace; indeed they have only told us to destroy ourselves in anticipation of an unnamed reward. But from where can we retain this sort of raw spiritual energy man seeks for fulfillment? Certainly Discordianism has offered the laughing disorder that frees us from withering away in an organized, restrictive world, but it is not enough!
In this I offer the next step, cultural devolution, moving to a time when the world was still untamed by us or our order, past the beginnings of a Theocratic society to those of a Theacratic society of spiritual leaders guiding others to fufillment! What I mean is a return to the original way, the way of shamanism! Not the bullshit spouted by New Ager sellouts of ,Äúgetting in touch with your totem animal,Äù and such marketing schemes, but the techniques of spiritual ecstasy through music, dance, communal ritual, and substance use that marked the tribal worlds of early society! For a while we tried meditation, the Buddhist attempts at ,Äúquieting the mind,Äù to let in spirituality, but our generation will never truly be affected by settling down, sitting still, and forcing away our disquieting thoughts. We have gone far into what can be clich?©d as the Information Age, where our youth must process huge amounts of knowledge to simply survive. We can see around us a desperate attempt at a return to life! Even those who are still sitting on their couches are filled with discontent at the system which restricts them so, though their frustration is being tapped by whatever power hungry organization (i.e. the Religious Right, the Democratic Party, almost any corporation). Meditation is nothing but the same extinguishing of life for entrance of a new one that religion is, and will never keep hold with our society.
But how should we cause this return to shamanism in our society completely changed from the days of shamanism? Easy friends, we must embrace (and bear with me here) the rave movement. I know what many of you will say to yourself, ,Äúthose ravers are just a bunch of dumb teens on Ecstasy looking for a new scene to attach to,Äù. But that,Äôs not the case. Raves are like any other concert, and may be even cleaner. But the specific reason for the rave is that it is absolutely a shamanistic ritual in its entirety. Pulsing music drives the ravers in the same way the shamans of old were moved by the music of the tribe; the ravers dance out of a genuine spiritual ecstasy; they immerse themselves into an environment full of heat, motion, and powerful bass drums rattling through their body to create an energy that fills them entirely; and partake inso many other shamanistic action all leading to a mass spiritual cleansing and rebirth. And from this comes secretaries, deliverymen, and others who still hate their jobs and surroundings like everyone else, but have something to live for and know that some great spiritual need has been filled within them. Shamanism can be reborn, it is already being reborn, and it can be given unto a world that cries out for it.
Quote from: hunter s. durden:
I would suggest a morality talk.
"You know every time you get someone to sign up for that credit card you are putting good, middle class citizens further into debt, and lining the pockets of the wealthy elite."
If you get the person to apologize for all the ills of the common man, you WIN!
In the event of a tie the person that used the least socialist rhetoric wins.
Quote from: SillyCybin:
Hi all I'm Ross. I thought operation mindfuck was fun when I did it to myself but the idea of doing it to others, especially the herd, strikes me as hilarious. I've been reading some of the posts on this forum and have been almost pissing myself laughing. I think I'm in the right place. If it turns out I'm wrong in this assumption then I guess I'll just fuck with your minds a bit until I get banned. Happy thursday!
Quote from: MGD/PVS/MSC..etc
That was truly an amazing journey.
I vote Chaplin_Sinatra_Fonzarell for Nobel Peace Prize.
I want a sequel.
Quote from: mian tiao noodle:
i think i should cook up guests in a stew.....
<_< what im hungry!
Quote from: LHX
PEACE
yeah
im here now
so what
PEACE
Quote from: Kaou Suu:
To think I left waiting tables for a call center. I'm just asking to be thrown over someone's lap and spanked. :argh!:
And hello.
Quote from: faust
Its the version of php, It happened to my old forum. I was never able to solve it but:
An annoying but simple way to stop it is to click on someones profile, then click on pm, it will take you to a log on box, this one works without logging you strait back out
That wasn't as funny as I thought it would be.
Nah me neither
Hah - I knoew I'd forgotten someone
Quote from: LMNO
Golden Apples of the Sun, Silver Apples of the Moon...
Oh, hell. Actually, Fuji Apples of the Stop & Shop.
Thas the money shot right there :lulz:
Mine was the most annoying. I admit I had a touch of the 23pinealfnord plague when i came aboard. Thankfully I was cured.
Oh, I was in full 23/Illuminatus!/PD mode when i came here.
Got into a bunch of theological debates about Eris, etc.
The evidence is right there, I can't deny it.
I think it prolly makes a big difference how much experience with philosophical-type discussion groups you bring to the table. The clued-up noob will already have their online persona pretty much sorted out. For me it's like public speaking - something that you develop as you go on. That means issues of being able to express yourself properly will be covered. You'll be a confident online author and able to deal with any bullshit that gets flung your way.
Another thing that comes with experience is actually reading some posts before you jump in. You have the unprecedented opportunity to walk into a clubroom and get to know the people you are meeting, before you even meet them.
Your next step is to instigate a major flame war. Most of my best online relationships have grown from the ashes of those.
Hahahah
nice work SC -- I saw you were looking at people's profiles and I had and figured you were up to no good.
I'm willing to bet that if we only looked at users that left after like 50 posts we'd find some goodies. Like:
Quote from: Tokemaster
Im thinking about to translate the whole book into Swedish... Or maybe im not thinking about to translate the whole book into Swedish. I haven't desierd jet. Kind of big project for just one gote. Maybe I trancelate the book into some laugush that i just made up, so i can start spamming in this forum about how great I am caus i spreed the word of Eris, Mal-2 and some ahter geeks. Hey! Im gonna trancelate the wole book into Gakalu??ka!
Ether Im plan to start picking my nose soon, cuse I got a bigg bugger inside it. Wanna help? I like the messege on page 00068. Im thinking to convert into christian ore something, but I don't know.... yet?
Cheers!
/ Sir Tokemaster of himself and others!
Quote from: Phoenix666 on October 24, 2004, 11:35:00 PM
Tell you what... :idea: I prefer "Corpus Pineale"!!! If every discordian would eat one "CP" a day, we all would receive more signals form Sirius... That is why i hunt the GRAY FACES and eat theire "CP's"!!! :twisted:
Everyone interested in joining "Corpus Pineale Devourers" write here :arrow: phoenix666@wp.pl
HAIL Corpus Pineale Devourers!!!
HAIL ERIS!!! HAIL DISCORDIA!!!
same guy but a good post:
Quote from: Phoenix666 on October 29, 2004, 06:06:31 PM
A day before yesterday I was on a very boring lecture - a guy had no idea how to say anything interesting about Kant and his philosophy... So i'm sittin there and... (to be honest i was recovering after a "long night" with lots of beer and Mary Jane") Hail Eris - a signal from Sirius!!! "You must finish this Gray Face..." So I did (what??) -I thought- might be the best way to implicate CHAOS - the turkey curse... The guy didn't know what was going on, when he heard GUL GUL GUL and saw me waving my hands in different directions :twisted: And... It WORKED - in 5 minutes (yeah - the law of 5) he ended the lecture and run out of the clasroom... Afterwards, many people were grateful for finishing the guy and thus I convinced some of them to join the discordian society!!! HA HA HA
Besides - the guy was soon foun dead because of the lack of CORPUS PINAELE - I couldn't stop myself :P
Hail Eris!!! Hail Discordia!!!
Quote from: fasboy4001 on June 17, 2004, 09:03:28 AM
a fake one
i try to cause chaos when i can
we could work that into a job description....
a short list of some of my recent activities
today i climbed my old highschool, got high, and used a fat red sharpie to make arrows on the roof of the school pointing to things you could see from up there. like perkins, and the ice rink, about half were porly labled like iceland
yesterday i wrote a message to a friend on a big ass log and left it on her doorstep.
then i stole a can of redi-whip froma gas station and rode my bike arround doing whippets.
after that i went to the carwash where my friends work and drive my bike through it three times (yeah, it was on)(yeah i gor wet)
then i climbed a karati place and went in through the trap door on the roof and stole a trophy that i traded for weed.
then i climbed th liquor store looking for another trap door, but no luck. so i turned off their ventilation system.
ive been climbing a lot of buildings
good times
okay those were far more trouble than they were worth
Quote from: Bhode_Sativa on November 14, 2006, 08:41:07 PM
I found Eris, and the bitch gave me crabs, so I threw 'em in some pot to boil. My only problem with humanity is the people. I don't really know how I've survived to the age of 25, but anytime Death wants to look me up he knows where I live. I've worked for a while in healthcare, so I find Einstein's characterization of the infinite apropos. Inevitably this will be just one more stop on my journey up the mountain, but I look forward to broadening my perspectives with people at least as smart as I (which is really why I keep coming back to the goddess, she's got so many interesting friends). I exist only in the realm of YesNO, and TrueFalse so keep your absolutism for those that only see one or the other. I make my own reality, and if I make it colorful enough the Bitch might pop in for tea.
Welcome to me.
i was retarded.
difference in age might have made a difference for me tho.
however,im still retarded. ha
My first post:
Quote from: davedim on October 22, 2006, 11:42:31 PM
Introductions.... hi.
http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=12070 (http://www.realbeer.com/discussions/showthread.php?threadid=12070)
http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/38/355838/BBCNEWSWorldLionMutilates42MidgetsinCambodianRing-Fight.htm (http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/38/355838/BBCNEWSWorldLionMutilates42MidgetsinCambodianRing-Fight.htm)
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 14, 2007, 07:17:15 PM
Mine was the most annoying. I admit I had a touch of the 23pinealfnord plague when i came aboard. Thankfully I was cured.
:banana: is all I will say.
The BIP...from an insider's perspective, it's common sense. It's a mission statement. It's the "facts of life," Discordian style.
From an outsider's pov, it's a bit depressing, it comes off as smartass-toldjaso-getthefuckoverit. Doesn't make it any less troofy, but you have to consider that when your exposure to this sort of horrible troof(tm) is a bit limited at first, especially if you haven't delved into the PD lit, you might be a bit thrown by the general fucked up/everything is fucked up nature of it.
I'm not surprised someone is canning it with a fake label and selling it on the black market already. The job with the people HERE, imho, is to blow that misconception out of the water and put it into a more get-at-able arena.
The PD spoke to a whole generation of former cabbages and pinks, and the BIP should do the same. The PD doesn't talk DOWN to its audience, but rather ribs them gently and provokes a lot of "WTF?"...shouldn't the BIP do the same?
Or is the target audience a different genre? Does the BIP presuppose a bit of intelligence within the head so that certain things are "given"? There isn't a whole hell of a lot of that with the PD, imo. There's more of a "if you get it, welcome, if you don't, enjoy the ride nonetheless til the last period is read."
Just putting thoughts to screen, Guys. I'm enjoying the discussions, wish I had more to give.
the BIP was borne of a lot of Discordians who have already 'been there, done that' with the PD stuff. it's an expansion beyond the entry-level mindfuckery, an investigation into the mechanics of human behavior and metapsychology. it's still Discordian, just more refined. it doesn't necessarily presuppose 'intelligence,' but it does presuppose a certain boredom with everything the PD has to offer.
the problem arises when people who haven't had the time, or expended the energy, to delve into Discordianism very deeply. same thing you always had -- those who see discordianism as a religion disguised as a joke are more apt to getting into the BIP than those who see it as a joke disquised as a religion.
of course, it doesn't matter what kind of reviews it gets. because the BIP trip is, by nature, concerned only with those who are looking for information. people looking for answers quite rightly don't get it. the good thing about the BIP is that if you start in with the wrong intentions, you'll always miss the point. understanding the concepts requires you to do most of the hard work yourself, first.
I think we need to separate the BIP pamphlet from the BIP fora. I think the BIP fora are probably less intimidating in a certain respect in that it is more open-ended, and by its nature, requires input from multiple sources.
As far as the pamphlet I can understand, to a certain degree, how someone who is just not paying attention would get lost in the "black"ness and the "prison"ness of the metaphor. I guess I see the BIP as a downsized PD. that is, we fired middle-management, which in the PD was teh funnay. We gave teh funnay its walking papers and proceeded without him. Cut out the fat. Cut to the chase. Cut to the bone! Tough love. Not everyone can handle that, it is true.
I guess lately my curmudgeony opinion is "fuck 'em". If they are so dense that they can't get out of their own way to see what is being said, we don't need em. Really. I truly believe if I had picked this up, didn't know any of you cats, or anything about the PD, I would have gotten it. "Yeah the world is fucked up! Damn straight! But, if I can keep my wits about me, if I can keep ME, I have a fighting chance."
Besides, do we really want to get at people who are so vapid and only skim the surfaces in life? If so, then yes, this approach will never, ever work. Maybe that's where the magazine comes in. Gloss it up. Put some BIP-babes in the centerfold. Put in a crossword puzzle. Put in some Discordian Recipes. Oh, and of course, we cannot forget the complimentary spoon.
RWHN,
Please to not be losing the sarcasm.
Quote from: Jenne on March 15, 2007, 03:35:01 AMDoes the BIP presuppose a bit of intelligence within the head so that certain things are "given"? There isn't a whole hell of a lot of that with the PD, imo.
the PD also does presuppose this.
the difference is the way you walk out of it if you
don't meet the requirements:
- didn't get the PD -> happy 23 pineal fnord fluff
- didn't get the BIP -> sad emo goth gloom
in its days, the PD also got dismissed by a whole lot of people saying it was too non-serious. of course. it was even intended that way.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 15, 2007, 12:10:39 PMI guess lately my curmudgeony opinion is "fuck 'em". If they are so dense that they can't get out of their own way to see what is being said, we don't need em. Really. I truly believe if I had picked this up, didn't know any of you cats, or anything about the PD, I would have gotten it. "Yeah the world is fucked up! Damn straight! But, if I can keep my wits about me, if I can keep ME, I have a fighting chance."
Besides, do we really want to get at people who are so vapid and only skim the surfaces in life? If so, then yes, this approach will never, ever work. Maybe that's where the magazine comes in. Gloss it up. Put some BIP-babes in the centerfold. Put in a crossword puzzle. Put in some Discordian Recipes. Oh, and of course, we cannot forget the complimentary spoon.
please to think about a certain point in life when your paradigm totally told you you were right, you found something that contradicted your paradigm, you quickly skimmed the surface and dismissed it with a few easy puns/punches. then later you learned the error of your mistake, you found out that you had it in fact wrong, delve a bit deeper and stretch your paradigm a bit wider (like goatse-man).
what i'm trying to say is, that some of these people that initially get it 'wrong', are smart guys, they just need to be shaken up a bit, open up a bit. well, maybe some of them should. now i'm thinking of Laz's "ZOMG MASONS" write-ups i'm not so sure.
but the point stays.
also i'd like to know who these concordia-movement ppl are then?
who gives a fuck who they are
we could take them in a street brawl
plus we have more style and skill
Quote from: LHX on March 15, 2007, 02:42:55 PM
who gives a fuck who they are
we could take them in a street brawl
plus we have more style and skill
Bingo!
100 miles for these dopes.
I still think any movement needs its detractors.
Keeps the followers and those with the initiative on their toes. And you can always choose which critiques to discard and take up.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on March 14, 2007, 06:05:57 PM
GUYS I FIXED IT
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I believe I have just had a religious experience.
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2007, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html
Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.
This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.
What a cheery concept.
They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.
The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
Which disgruntled noob was this?
Its one of our own, posing as a passably intelligent (but not too smart) critic.
Details?
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 07:05:22 PM
That wasn't as funny as I thought it would be.
I even remember the context of mine. :lol:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2007, 05:16:48 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 05:50:36 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 14, 2007, 05:45:05 PM
Quote from: Cain on March 14, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html
Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.
This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.
What a cheery concept.
They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.
The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
Which disgruntled noob was this?
Its one of our own, posing as a passably intelligent (but not too smart) critic.
Details?
None, but I'm 99% certain.
Of course, it could be Laz, but the arguments on the page are all so painfully flawed, yet well written and show some thought. Which I don't think he can do.
I think the Concordia movement is supposed to be tongue in cheek. I don't see the author as a "critic". Reacting negatively to his "critique" only proves that you're taking him/yourself too seriously.
Discordians against Discordia!
Quote from: triple zero on March 15, 2007, 02:41:40 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 15, 2007, 12:10:39 PMI guess lately my curmudgeony opinion is "fuck 'em". If they are so dense that they can't get out of their own way to see what is being said, we don't need em. Really. I truly believe if I had picked this up, didn't know any of you cats, or anything about the PD, I would have gotten it. "Yeah the world is fucked up! Damn straight! But, if I can keep my wits about me, if I can keep ME, I have a fighting chance."
Besides, do we really want to get at people who are so vapid and only skim the surfaces in life? If so, then yes, this approach will never, ever work. Maybe that's where the magazine comes in. Gloss it up. Put some BIP-babes in the centerfold. Put in a crossword puzzle. Put in some Discordian Recipes. Oh, and of course, we cannot forget the complimentary spoon.
please to think about a certain point in life when your paradigm totally told you you were right, you found something that contradicted your paradigm, you quickly skimmed the surface and dismissed it with a few easy puns/punches. then later you learned the error of your mistake, you found out that you had it in fact wrong, delve a bit deeper and stretch your paradigm a bit wider (like goatse-man).
what i'm trying to say is, that some of these people that initially get it 'wrong', are smart guys, they just need to be shaken up a bit, open up a bit. well, maybe some of them should. now i'm thinking of Laz's "ZOMG MASONS" write-ups i'm not so sure.
but the point stays.
also i'd like to know who these concordia-movement ppl are then?
I hear what you are saying. When I use the word "only" I mean it quite literally. People who literally
only skim the surface, no matter how much shaking. And besides you give another example of why the sort of "tough love" approach of the BIP pamphlet is necessary. Sometimes you have to stop spoon feeding, jam the spoon down their throat, and tell them to wake the fuck up. And if you are not going to wake the fuck up then please, for the sake of my sanity, just move aside and get out of the way. Lock em up in Wal-Mart and seal off the entrances.
i agree, although the "people who literally only skim the surface" are a theoretical kind of people. well, okay maybe not. i wish they were. but such kind of people are not hard to weed out. they practically do it themselves.
Yes, my point being we shouldn't seek them out. We shouldn't pander to that type of audience, thus, once again why I don't think the so-called depressive negativism of the BIP is an issue. If we are talking to cats with an inkling of depth, they'll figure it out. The rest of them, fuck em. That's my attitude.
Quote from: synaptyx:
Hi,
Just read the Principia Discordia, being a roleplayer and having an open mind (an essential pre-requisite really) I have been interested in alternative religions/belief systems more leaning towards the themes of Chaos and Paganism. I think I've found something I can relate to in the Principia. :) I decided to google about and see what people were saying about it, I just knew there'd be a forum out there and am delighted to find one, even better that it's populated by a bunch of roleplayers. :) I've been roleplaying on and off for about 13 years. The RPG group I was with got too big and I was falling asleep waiting on my turn so I left for a couple of years(!). I am about to rejoin the same group, which has shrunk a bit since we parted ways and am looking forward to it immensly. Strangely, most of the people in the group have turned to Wicca/Chaos Madgick, or a branch of Paganism from their born into religions/belief sets. I am the only Discordian in the group. Mostly my characters are preists and clerics, so it looks like I will be adapting Discordianism into D&D, etc, possibly even the Red Dwarf RPG. :)
How things change. Now I'm less into RPG and more of a retard. I=W1Nn4R!!!!11!1
:lulz:
i get where you're coming from, and i wonder up to how far this is a workable attitude.
i think you're right, at least up to the point where our propaganda works so well that people might have heard the "negative prejudice" before they even get a chance to approach the surface.
but given that most people we bring into contact with this stuff probably haven't ever heard about it before, and definitely wouldn't give any credit to the likes of Laz, i suppose you're completely right.
next project:
THE BLACKER CAST IRON DEATH SHELL OF DOOOM
(c'mon it's just a metaphore)
Oh, if anyone is wondering, Terry Pratchett did steal ideas from Discordianism to put into Discworld Noir. He also used a fair few similar themes in the Thief of Time (such as the character Kaos was one of the 5 horsemen of the Apocalypse).
If you haven't read Thief of Time yet, you really should. Its incredibly Discordian. You have the bullshitting "wise man" monk, you have the fight between order (typified by the Auditors) and disorder of humans in general, and some pretty good semi-mindfucks. The sign "do not feed the elephant" was a pretty good one.
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2007, 01:45:00 PM
Oh, if anyone is wondering, Terry Pratchett did steal ideas from Discordianism to put into Discworld Noir. He also used a fair few similar themes in the Thief of Time (such as the character Kaos was one of the 5 horsemen of the Apocalypse).
If you haven't read everything he's ever written, you really should. Its incredibly Discordian. You have the bullshitting "wise man" monk, you have the fight between order (typified by the Auditors) and disorder of humans in general, and some pretty good semi-mindfucks. The sign "do not feed the elephant" was a pretty good one.
fixxed
Truth. He does have a wicked sense of humour that sits well with our sort of people.
i think Thief of Time is my favourite Discworld novel. i really i should read it again.
the "eternal state of surprise" as a way of enlightenment sort of resonates with discordian ideas as well.
Yeah, the fifth element. Lu-Tze has to be a saint of some sort.
Quote from: Cain on March 16, 2007, 01:47:08 PM
Truth. He does have a wicked sense of humour that sits well with our sort of people.
His ability to squeeze so many jokes and one-liners, between ridiculous scenarios and paradigms, every single paragraph always made me think of him as a kinda Douglas Adams on brain steroids.
Not to mention his ability to parody is very well developed.
Rankin is another author in that vein, though his humour is much darker in many ways. Armageddon the Musical and The Garden of Unearthly Delights are great books to have.
Do you have to read the Discworld series in order, and if so, which one is first?
Each book generally stands alone. However, there are a few sub series in them. So, for example, if you want to know about the Ankh-Morpork city watch, reading Guards Guards! first is a good idea, though not necessary. I would go with the Colour of Magic and the Light Fantastic, as his first two novels. They introduce the scenery, as it were, as well as one of the main characters, Rincewind.
There are also a lot of running jokes which you might miss if you don't read in order but TBH there is so much in there you'd still enjoy them immensely regardless.
Yeah.
As far as I can tell, the main "series" within the books are the following
Rincewind - the worst wizard in the world (as in, not very good at it). Gifted linguist, absolute coward.
The Night Watch - Mostly Sam Vimes and others, charting the change of the city watch from just another gang into an actual policing force for what is almost an ungovernable city.
Weatherwax/Lancre - witchery, a backwards country far too similar to Scotland and assorted things.
The Unseen University - usually in conjunction with Rincewind, the only college for the study of magic on the planet and its rather inept faculty.
The Grim Reaper - death himself, the anthropomorphic personification with a soft spot for humanity.
And there are a fair few one off novels. I'd say most were to do with the City watch series, because Pratchett himself says its hard to write about anything happening in Ankh-Morpork without them getting involved.
there's also the Gods and the egyptian-sort-of-stuff, but those are mostly one-off as well. the counterweight continent ...
ah i should really just simply start over reading again :)
or maybe just better pick a few up at random, yeah.
*thinks very hard if he knows somebody he can borrow Thief of Time from, before i leave for the weekend*
Quote from: SillyCybin on March 16, 2007, 01:53:18 PMHis ability to squeeze so many jokes and one-liners, between ridiculous scenarios and paradigms, every single paragraph always made me think of him as a kinda Douglas Adams on brain steroids.
while Douglas Adams was legendary, he only did it
once (or six times, if you count all the HHGTTG books, Dirk Gently was .. nice, but not amazing) where Terry Pratchett really pulls it off in
every Discworld episode.
while on the subject there's also Pratchett's co-op with Neil Gaiman,
Good Omens, really good one, that too. mix of Pratchett and Gaiman, what more can you ask for ;-)
Also, that chick who played Susan in The Hogfather is hawt. This is important information.
movie?
http://wegotshows.com/movies/the_hogfather.html
Incidentally, this one of the best ones dealing with the character of Death. Not the best, but pretty good.
swote. bookmarked for some time latenight viewing!
I think there's an inherent problem faced by anyone trying to portray pratchett's death in a movie or miniseries, namely the fact that death talks in capital letters. Srlsly this might not sound particularly funny but wait'll you read Mort, IMHO it's one of his best gags but it doesn't translate to screen. Also the fact that he doesn't talk out loud he kinda changes the past so you remember him saying it. I honestly don't think they'll ever do him justice on screen.
I loves me some Pratchett. I gobble up these books as fast as the man can write them.
Thief of Time is excellent (I would definitely second a nomination of the Sweeper for Discordian Sainthood - we need a copy of his notebook!) and I'm also very partial to Night Watch, a great satire on revolution. Small Gods satirizes philosophy and religion wonderfully as well. He does a great job of poking fun at whatever he feels like without slamming his point over your head like a brick to the face - and makes you laugh while he's doing it. Highly recommended.
You Brits are lucky to get the tv shows in addition to the books over there - I can't wait to check out that Hogfather stuff. I'm definitely curious to see how an ANTHROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATION gets portrayed - who knows, maybe they pull it off. :D
Quote from: That One Guy on March 16, 2007, 05:21:43 PM
I loves me some Pratchett. I gobble up these books as fast as the man can write them.
Thief of Time is excellent (I would definitely second a nomination of the Sweeper for Discordian Sainthood - we need a copy of his notebook!) and I'm also very partial to Night Watch, a great satire on revolution. Small Gods satirizes philosophy and religion wonderfully as well. He does a great job of poking fun at whatever he feels like without slamming his point over your head like a brick to the face - and makes you laugh while he's doing it. Highly recommended.
You Brits are lucky to get the tv shows in addition to the books over there - I can't wait to check out that Hogfather stuff. I'm definitely curious to see how an ANTHROPOMORPHIC PERSONIFICATION gets portrayed - who knows, maybe they pull it off. :D
The good news is the Death of Rats made it in there and he's totally true to the books!