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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 29, 2003, 11:52:07 pm

Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 29, 2003, 11:52:07 pm
Blarg!
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on July 29, 2003, 11:53:01 pm
Awoman!
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on July 30, 2003, 12:08:56 am
The Man is Amazing. *Sobs* *Repents of his own vile Cthulu-eating ways*

Thanks Roger. *sniffs*

*Aims browning rifle out the window*....
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 12:11:14 am
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSC
The Man is Amazing. *Sobs* *Repents of his own vile Cthulu-eating ways*

Thanks Roger. *sniffs*

*Aims browning rifle out the window*....


Well, okay, then...The Mighty, Mighty Rev absolves you.

Shooting isn't going to help, though...that is the tool of the CoN.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on July 30, 2003, 12:12:23 am
I know. But my fingers are so itchy. I have to shoot.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 12:15:45 am
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSC
I know. But my fingers are so itchy. I have to shoot.


Do it on your own time.  We have gears to throw sand in,  rallies to disrupt, police cars to bumpersticker ("OBEY"), and other hienous activities that will, eventually, get us smashed flat by the CoN.

And election year is coming fast...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on July 30, 2003, 12:16:50 am
Okay. But How' bout the occasional fat politician? I mean I have these boxes of ammo and they take up a lot of space.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 12:25:03 am
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSC
Okay. But How' bout the occasional fat politician? I mean I have these boxes of ammo and they take up a lot of space.


What good would THAT do?  You may as well bail the ocean with a teaspoon.

The system ITSELF is rotten to the core...utterly without ANY redeeming virtues.  All you would do is generate "Belt-way kill", which would fester in the sun, causing a miasma almost rivalling that of the current administration.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: PrincessEris von Tartarus on July 30, 2003, 01:00:58 am
Roger, i bow to your words and say:


My whole bloody existance is disrupting enough. how often have people begun to argue just because of my strange presence. i do seomethin, or even wear a special style of clothing and heads turn and people begin to talk. i just do not give a fucking damn about what people think. well sometimes it feels strange to be looked at because of sublime freakishness but on the other hand i would rather be the way i am than a stramline slave fish swimming along with the rest of the swarm.

do you know what i mean. you think nothing special about yourself and your appearance, but people give you stares and funny looks. especially greyface teenagers or uppity office geeks. on good days i love it. on bad hair days i could draw a gun and shoot. but whats violence good for? rather exist on the way i always have and do more lasting harm till i die.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Trollax on July 30, 2003, 10:56:24 am
I'll go with EvT on this one...
I'd prefer to be a virus rather than a weapon... Beneath this shockingly real and servile exterior lives an insane squid-wuilding monk with a mission, and the best part is, the foppish intellectual aids in my cause as I subvert his outlandish dreams and amplify his base desires... the feedback loop is dead, this vile little cell has resumed it's normal functioning and is pumping out some low-wattage social-cancer vibes... But don't be afraid, get nekkid, smear yourself with your condiment of choice and go running through the streets... I meanwhile have a diabolical plan to keep working on... One mind at a time...

~Machivaellian Trollax~
Title: Re: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble
Post by: SMFabal on July 30, 2003, 01:04:01 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Well, kids, it's just about that fucking time, isn't it?  Time to look around you and see that your haiku hasn't saved you, Zen Buddhism hasn't saved you, and Eris isn't even INTERESTED in saving you...the short and skinny, chilluns, is that you aren't going to be saved.  That's right!  You are SCREWED, BLUED, and TATOOED!
...
You AREN'T going to be saved, things AREN'T going to be ok, nothing is EVER gonna get better, and NOBODY is gonna help you except YOU.  It's too late to compromise with the CoN...things have gone TOO FAR.  The damage to the social contract is TOO GREAT.

Damage to the social contract is never too great. We still enjoy greater freedom than, say, your average peasant from 1002 AD. Yes, our system is flawed. Yes, we have problems. Yes, our leaders lie, cheat and steel without regard for "traditional morality".
BIG FAT FUCKING HARRY DEAL!
It's happened in Europe all the time. England created the Magna Carta. French stormed the Bastille. Germany tried to take over the world (OK, bad example). My point is, when you destroy our current world, waht would you replace it with? A Chaotic state, with our current population, would only span a MUCH m,ore repessive state than we have now.

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Yeeeeeeah, that's right!  The only question the mighty, mighty Rev has for YOU is this:  What in HELL are YOU gonna DO ABOUT IT?  YOU, not the other guy!  Not your political party of choice, not your favorite "celebrity activist", snivelling his/her way from one photo-op to another!

Another truth from the mighty Rev:  Most of you aren't gonna do SHYT!  That's right!  You'll TALK about it, when you aren't too busy convincing yourself that playing "two words" makes you a BOBDAMNED "Discordian"!  THAT'S NOT CHAOS!  That is NOT the work of our Lady!

That's right.  Poetry isn't going to do a damned thing!  You live in a culture where opiates are the religion of the masses, where TV replaces original thought, the internet has replaced action, and we can alllllll forget that anything is wrong, right until the frickin' wrecking ball drives us right through the brick wall!

You are too impatient, Roger. Why, this movement has only just begun. What, thirty, maybe forty years and you want the world to be ready? I'm reminded of a time, around 2000 years ago, when men quietly preached their messages to anyone who would hear. It took FOUR HUNDRED YEARS for even the smallest part of that message to be heard! Patience, my Good Reverend.

Incidently, finding only one young mind, one lost soul for the future, is more than enough to justify all the poetry, Zen and general silliness. Laughter, my Good Reverend, is what will keep us moving forward when all the Doom and Dumb weighs on us, treatening to drag us back into the Sheeple's Greyfaced Flock.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 05:32:31 pm
Quote from: Eris von Tartarus
Roger, i bow to your words and say:


My whole bloody existance is disrupting enough. how often have people begun to argue just because of my strange presence. i do seomethin, or even wear a special style of clothing and heads turn and people begin to talk. i just do not give a fucking damn about what people think. well sometimes it feels strange to be looked at because of sublime freakishness but on the other hand i would rather be the way i am than a stramline slave fish swimming along with the rest of the swarm.

do you know what i mean. you think nothing special about yourself and your appearance, but people give you stares and funny looks. especially greyface teenagers or uppity office geeks. on good days i love it. on bad hair days i could draw a gun and shoot. but whats violence good for? rather exist on the way i always have and do more lasting harm till i die.


I know exactly what you mean.

But WHO suggested violence?  Not I...in fact, if you will read the responses, you will see that I counselled AGAINST it, as a tool of the CoN, a tool which cannot be trusted.
Title: Re: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 05:37:33 pm
Quote from: SMFabal

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Damage to the social contract is never too great. We still enjoy greater freedom than, say, your average peasant from 1002 AD. Yes, our system is flawed. Yes, we have problems. Yes, our leaders lie, cheat and steel without regard for "traditional morality".
BIG FAT FUCKING HARRY DEAL!
It's happened in Europe all the time. England created the Magna Carta. French stormed the Bastille. Germany tried to take over the world (OK, bad example). My point is, when you destroy our current world, waht would you replace it with? A Chaotic state, with our current population, would only span a MUCH m,ore repessive state than we have now.

You are too impatient, Roger. Why, this movement has only just begun. What, thirty, maybe forty years and you want the world to be ready? I'm reminded of a time, around 2000 years ago, when men quietly preached their messages to anyone who would hear. It took FOUR HUNDRED YEARS for even the smallest part of that message to be heard! Patience, my Good Reverend.

Incidently, finding only one young mind, one lost soul for the future, is more than enough to justify all the poetry, Zen and general silliness. Laughter, my Good Reverend, is what will keep us moving forward when all the Doom and Dumb weighs on us, treatening to drag us back into the Sheeple's Greyfaced Flock.


1.  Impatient?  I have been doing this actively for the last 20 years!

2.  This is no longer an issue of poetry, zen, OR lost souls.  Look around you...If you live in America, welcome to the machine.  If you DON'T live in America, watch out for the machine!  There's some seriously bad juju coming doen the pike, my friend; and war without end is JUST THE BEGINNING!
Title: Re: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble
Post by: SMFabal on July 30, 2003, 07:23:34 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal

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Damage to the social contract is never too great. We still enjoy greater freedom than, say, your average peasant from 1002 AD. Yes, our system is flawed. Yes, we have problems. Yes, our leaders lie, cheat and steel without regard for "traditional morality".
BIG FAT FUCKING HARRY DEAL!
It's happened in Europe all the time. England created the Magna Carta. French stormed the Bastille. Germany tried to take over the world (OK, bad example). My point is, when you destroy our current world, waht would you replace it with? A Chaotic state, with our current population, would only span a MUCH more repessive state than we have now.

You are too impatient, Roger. Why, this movement has only just begun. What, thirty, maybe forty years and you want the world to be ready? I'm reminded of a time, around 2000 years ago, when men quietly preached their messages to anyone who would hear. It took FOUR HUNDRED YEARS for even the smallest part of that message to be heard! Patience, my Good Reverend.

Incidently, finding only one young mind, one lost soul for the future, is more than enough to justify all the poetry, Zen and general silliness. Laughter, my Good Reverend, is what will keep us moving forward when all the Doom and Dumb weighs on us, treatening to drag us back into the Sheeple's Greyfaced Flock.


1.  Impatient?  I have been doing this actively for the last 20 years!

2.  This is no longer an issue of poetry, zen, OR lost souls.  Look around you...If you live in America, welcome to the machine.  If you DON'T live in America, watch out for the machine!  There's some seriously bad juju coming doen the pike, my friend; and war without end is JUST THE BEGINNING!


Twenty years? One drop in the ocean. A single grain of sand in the hourglass. You have seen one generation go by Roger. Is the next more or less willing to change than the old?

Twenty years? Only one generation. The very concepts of Democracy and Freedom, those IDEALS that our leadership is now twisting, were THREE THOUSAND YEARS in the making! Responsibilty for your own actions has taken FOUR HUNDRED years, and its still scambling for a foot hold!

Twenty years. We will not see real change in our lifetime, Roger. Nor will our children, or our children's children. You seek to paint a boat with a hole in the keel. You society might look better, for a brief while, but it will still sink. The only real hope is to repair the damage, and that can only be done one peice at a time. One person at a time. ONe mind, saved from mental slavery to Media.

But souls, yes, that was a poor choice of wording. I refered not to eternal spirit but (if you will) Warriors Spirit. I'm talking about MINDS, Roger. Minds that will see through the falsh and glitter our Government throws out to cever their failure to obey the "Social Contract". And if I must give up simple joys like laughing at silly posts with no meaning, the I WILLINGLY give up my freedom to change the world, and accept my freedom to be HAPPY.

And The Machine. What Machine, or rather, Which Machine? Political? Mechanical? Electronic? The Machine is a new social order in the making. Methods of communication have changed, wildly and impossibly fast. The machine, as I see it, is just society as a whole suffering from a knee-jerk reaction. It will settle by the 22nd century. Its just our poor luck we're going to live through the struggling upheavals until things settle again.

And war has not ended in all of recorded history. It is only that we Americans have refused to see it.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 08:31:25 pm
Bullshit.  A whole lot can be accomplished in a lot less than 20 years...and In my 35+ years on this planet, I have seen some examples.

Now, your solution would be what?  Duck your head, and wait til it all blows over?

Lotsa luck.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Commander on July 30, 2003, 09:50:51 pm
I like pie?   :cry:


I think the "information revolution" is a pretty good example of how fast things can change, for good or bad.  20 years ago the internet and the impact of computers on your average joe was minimal.  Now look at things.  A life without them is inconcievable to most, particularly to the generation that grew up with them.  

I'm not saying that a revolution will occur in the next 20 years, but it is certainly a possibility.

The Commander
DIA[/b]
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on July 30, 2003, 10:10:10 pm
Been in the backwoods recently? Socially, very little has changed. Our Government won't change. Only PEOPLE can change, and few if any change willingly.

My hope is that people can someday really NOT UNDERSTAND why different skin colors meant differnt rights. When there is a WORLD GOVERNMENT dedicated to ALL PEOPLE. Sadly I think the only way that will happen is by discriminating against an extraterrestrial race.

Four thousand years ago, leaders knew to unite people required an outside threat. Egyptians(2000BCE) hated Babylonians and Hebrews. Romans(500BCE) hated Germans. Monguls (1000AD) hated everyone. If you have managed to chage this underlying facet of human psychology, let me know. Why, even Discoprdians are given a enemy to fear and hate!

No, I don't huddle down in fear. I don't take a sniper rifle and start hunting politicians. I just be who I am. And I try very hard not to hate or fear anyone - even our own Government.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 30, 2003, 10:14:07 pm
Quote from: SMFabal
I don't take a sniper rifle and start hunting politicians.


WTF are you talking about?
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on July 30, 2003, 10:14:36 pm
Quote from: The Commander
I like pie?   :cry:


I think the "information revolution" is a pretty good example of how fast things can change, for good or bad.  20 years ago the internet and the impact of computers on your average joe was minimal.  Now look at things.  A life without them is inconcievable to most, particularly to the generation that grew up with them.  

I'm not saying that a revolution will occur in the next 20 years, but it is certainly a possibility.

The Commander
DIA[/b]


Yes Commander, the "Information Revolution" has changed our world. But I refer to a socio-political revolution that has yet to occur, specifically the unifying of international law codes. The Social change brought about by the internet and computers has only just barley begun.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Trollax on July 31, 2003, 05:01:03 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Bullshit.  A whole lot can be accomplished in a lot less than 20 years...and In my 35+ years on this planet, I have seen some examples.

Now, your solution would be what?  Duck your head, and wait til it all blows over?

Lotsa luck.


See roger... this is why I like you... We have similar ideals and differend methods of employment... We don't tear each other's heads off either (mind you mine is detachable) see. In six months it's already working.
I don't think it need take 100's of years... If It did, we'd remember past lives because our behaviour would take so long to alter... It's been 6 years for me... Still going... 20 years for your good self there... it's just a question of getting people to willingly (not forcing them as some would have us believe) unplug from the machine... But reaching that place is the problem... and there are so many competing theories... that's right COMPETING... because our pattern-seeking brains have this feedback loop that tends to exclude other possibilities...

It takes innovation to think of something different and audacity to do something differently ~Jonar C. Nader~

~Audacious Trollax~
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Geno0561 on July 31, 2003, 01:02:17 pm
Perhaps this great apocalypse can be avoided if we all join the mantrain?
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on July 31, 2003, 01:09:40 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal
I don't take a sniper rifle and start hunting politicians.


WTF are you talking about?


Oswald. Hinkley. Idiots like them. The opposite extreme of taking no action: taking far too much uncontrolled action.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 31, 2003, 04:31:57 pm
Quote from: SMFabal
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal
I don't take a sniper rifle and start hunting politicians.


WTF are you talking about?


Oswald. Hinkley. Idiots like them. The opposite extreme of taking no action: taking far too much uncontrolled action.


You are deliberately misunderstanding me.  Read the first few posts in this thread again (between me & St Hugh).  

Why do you assume that I am implying violence?
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 31, 2003, 04:39:37 pm
Quote from: St. Trollax
See roger... this is why I like you... We have similar ideals and differend methods of employment... We don't tear each other's heads off either (mind you mine is detachable) see. In six months it's already working.
I don't think it need take 100's of years... If It did, we'd remember past lives because our behaviour would take so long to alter... It's been 6 years for me... Still going... 20 years for your good self there... it's just a question of getting people to willingly (not forcing them as some would have us believe) unplug from the machine... But reaching that place is the problem... and there are so many competing theories... that's right COMPETING... because our pattern-seeking brains have this feedback loop that tends to exclude other possibilities...

It takes innovation to think of something different and audacity to do something differently ~Jonar C. Nader~

~Audacious Trollax~


You modern Discordians are too cerebral for me.

We've gone from tossing wrenches in the gears to TALKING ABOUT IT.

ON THE INTERNET.

(That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but it seems that the othos was changed since I was introduced to Eris.

I'm not sure the change is for the better...Discordianism welcomes change, but a change which neuters it is not, IMO, a desirable thing.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Commander on July 31, 2003, 05:33:15 pm
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Yes Commander, the "Information Revolution" has changed our world. But I refer to a socio-political revolution that has yet to occur, specifically the unifying of international law codes. The Social change brought about by the internet and computers has only just barley begun.


SMFabal,

   I think I will have to disagree with you.  I think the socio-political revolution you speak of IS happening.  It is not something that is occuring with a huge explosion of change, but is more gradual, specifically when it comes to the unification of international law codes.  The European Union is a prime example.  In order to join countries have to adhere to specific codes of laws and regulations. Soon, almost the entirety of the European continent will be living under a single systems of laws and regulations, which will in turn affect the social dynamics of person to person interaction.  This is a huge step from where things were 20 years ago.    

   I will agree with you that the change brought about by the internet and computers has barely begun.  However, seeing how much our society has changed in such a short time due to the internet, computers, and technology in general leaves me in slack-jawed anticipation of what is to come.  These things have impacted us on a myriad of levels.  Socialy we interact differently, government is run differently, we communicate differently, we wage war differently, science is explored differently and we entertain ourselves differently.  What all of us are doing here on this board is a prime example.  This would not have been possible 15 to 20 years ago.

   Ultimately this does not change the fact that I like pie.

The Commander
DIA
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on July 31, 2003, 05:40:05 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal
I don't take a sniper rifle and start hunting politicians.


WTF are you talking about?


Oswald. Hinkley. Idiots like them. The opposite extreme of taking no action: taking far too much uncontrolled action.


You are deliberately misunderstanding me.  Read the first few posts in this thread again (between me & St Hugh).  

Why do you assume that I am implying violence?

I didn't. The simple fact is, St Hugh DID. I know you don't like violence, Reverend. Unfortuantly, it is the first thing people see when we call for revolution. Or breaking down the machine.

I just think its more important to help Greyfaces and Sheople see the gears around them than tring to stop the gears of the machine. You grow a following, which could take generations, and the following can simply walk out of the machine and never look back.

And while I'm on the subject of the Machine, I'm still a little in the dark about what you mean by it. Please, I really do want to understand you point of view, but I'm (obviously) just not getting it. What is the Machine?
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on July 31, 2003, 05:50:09 pm
Quote from: The Commander
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Yes Commander, the "Information Revolution" has changed our world. But I refer to a socio-political revolution that has yet to occur, specifically the unifying of international law codes. The Social change brought about by the internet and computers has only just barley begun.


SMFabal,

   I think I will have to disagree with you.  I think the socio-political revolution you speak of IS happening.  It is not something that is occuring with a huge explosion of change, but is more gradual, specifically when it comes to the unification of international law codes.  The European Union is a prime example.  In order to join countries have to adhere to specific codes of laws and regulations. Soon, almost the entirety of the European continent will be living under a single systems of laws and regulations, which will in turn affect the social dynamics of person to person interaction.  This is a huge step from where things were 20 years ago.    

   I will agree with you that the change brought about by the internet and computers has barely begun.  However, seeing how much our society has changed in such a short time due to the internet, computers, and technology in general leaves me in slack-jawed anticipation of what is to come.  These things have impacted us on a myriad of levels.  Socialy we interact differently, government is run differently, we communicate differently, we wage war differently, science is explored differently and we entertain ourselves differently.  What all of us are doing here on this board is a prime example.  This would not have been possible 15 to 20 years ago.

   Ultimately this does not change the fact that I like pie.

The Commander
DIA

Actually, the governmet is not run any differently except that we have instant information everytime someone in the Government does something silly. Before TV/PC's, this would have tended to be overwealmed by little things like new laws, policy changes, criminal justice, you know, little things like that.

The EU, yes, that's a start. So was NAFTA. When Russia ever stabalizes, and Asian countries start joining together, we'll have a real start. When everyone is using the internet and PC technology stablizes, we'll have a real start. The Urban Combat Suit (scheduled for release 2020) will deeply change the way wars are fought. But none of that has happened yet.

Yes, there is a revolution happening. But until the technology it is based on stabalizes, the real changes cannot occur.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on July 31, 2003, 09:15:33 pm
Quote from: SMFabal
I didn't. The simple fact is, St Hugh DID. I know you don't like violence, Reverend. Unfortuantly, it is the first thing people see when we call for revolution. Or breaking down the machine.

I just think its more important to help Greyfaces and Sheople see the gears around them than tring to stop the gears of the machine. You grow a following, which could take generations, and the following can simply walk out of the machine and never look back.

And while I'm on the subject of the Machine, I'm still a little in the dark about what you mean by it. Please, I really do want to understand you point of view, but I'm (obviously) just not getting it. What is the Machine?


1.  I am 99.5% sure St Hugh was joking.

2.  The greyfaces will not listen.  That is why they are greyfaces.

3.  The Machine?  It will take some explaining.  Expect sermon #22 between now and tomorrow night.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 01, 2003, 12:18:34 am
If the machine cannot make toast for us, smash it!
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on August 01, 2003, 01:28:46 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: SMFabal
I didn't. The simple fact is, St Hugh DID. I know you don't like violence, Reverend. Unfortuantly, it is the first thing people see when we call for revolution. Or breaking down the machine.

I just think its more important to help Greyfaces and Sheople see the gears around them than tring to stop the gears of the machine. You grow a following, which could take generations, and the following can simply walk out of the machine and never look back.

And while I'm on the subject of the Machine, I'm still a little in the dark about what you mean by it. Please, I really do want to understand you point of view, but I'm (obviously) just not getting it. What is the Machine?


1.  I am 99.5% sure St Hugh was joking.

2.  The greyfaces will not listen.  That is why they are greyfaces.

3.  The Machine?  It will take some explaining.  Expect sermon #22 between now and tomorrow night.



Yeah. I was joking about the violence. I am actually non-violent. Though I do think that for us mostly comfortable denizens of prosperous western societies to denounce revolutionaries because of violence is symptomatic of our arrogance. I do believe that in cases of survival one must use any means necessary. One could argue and state all those truisms about how we as a species should get beyond that shit...but until one faces gunfire or bombings or military occupation or genocide, don't knock those who choose to fight by violence. It is easy to make judgements from our internet discussion groups while in the relative comfort of our own homes.
There are real power dynamics out there that cause the untold suffering of billions of people. When the power dynamics change, the violence can lessen....maybe.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Trollax on August 01, 2003, 03:44:37 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: St. Trollax
See roger... this is why I like you... We have similar ideals and differend methods of employment... We don't tear each other's heads off either (mind you mine is detachable) see. In six months it's already working.
I don't think it need take 100's of years... If It did, we'd remember past lives because our behaviour would take so long to alter... It's been 6 years for me... Still going... 20 years for your good self there... it's just a question of getting people to willingly (not forcing them as some would have us believe) unplug from the machine... But reaching that place is the problem... and there are so many competing theories... that's right COMPETING... because our pattern-seeking brains have this feedback loop that tends to exclude other possibilities...

It takes innovation to think of something different and audacity to do something differently ~Jonar C. Nader~

~Audacious Trollax~


You modern Discordians are too cerebral for me.

We've gone from tossing wrenches in the gears to TALKING ABOUT IT.

ON THE INTERNET.

(That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but it seems that the othos was changed since I was introduced to Eris.

I'm not sure the change is for the better...Discordianism welcomes change, but a change which neuters it is not, IMO, a desirable thing.


Actually the cerebellum isn't good enough... I prefer to get frontal, I like tossing my psychic spanner in the mental works... I dig what you're saying about the hands-on approach... most of us young-ens were born into a world that was already afraid of everyone else, give it time...

~Panic Trollax~
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 01, 2003, 03:49:57 am
Paranoia? Us? What? Me worry? About? What? What should I worry about, man? Uh oh! I'm afraid. I know I'm supposed to have something to worry about. But what is it? Bobdamn it all!
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Tyallie on August 01, 2003, 12:30:57 pm
Is any of this necessary? I see the point of this revoloutionary discourse yet i almost (but not entierly) fail to see how it can relate to anything on a non-materialistic level... all very inspiring and heartwrenching all the same
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 02, 2003, 12:33:51 am
It's as necessary as it is unnecessary.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2003, 01:00:34 am
Quote from: Tyallie
Is any of this necessary? I see the point of this revoloutionary discourse yet i almost (but not entierly) fail to see how it can relate to anything on a non-materialistic level... all very inspiring and heartwrenching all the same


"non-Materialistic"?  

You can't eat haiku.

You can't be free in a chainlink cage...hell, these days you cannot be free OUTSIDE of one.,,and freedom is the ONLY state of being fit for a human.

Helathy body, healthy mind.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2003, 01:03:19 am
Quote from: St. Hugh, KSC

There are real power dynamics out there that cause the untold suffering of billions of people. When the power dynamics change, the violence can lessen....maybe.


I had enough violence in my 10 years in the infantry.

Besides, a revolution for freedom isn't much good if that freedom is the freedom of the grave...witness Iraq for proof.

Though I consider my freedom as being more important than my life, I do not feel that I have the right to make that decision for others.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on August 02, 2003, 02:17:25 am
I just don't think violence will go away until some real change happens. I don't use violent methods myself, but I won't condemn those who feel they must. I don't necessarily believe a revolution needs to be violent, but to be realistic it probably would be.

As for Iraq...I don't believe any of that BS about the USA 'liberating' the Iraqi people. The USA liberated the damn oil from Hussein. And fucked the Iraqi people. If the Iraqis start fighting to climb out from under the great big American penis, so be it.

I'm with you on the freedom part. I love my freedom more than anything. But I don't expect anyone else to feel the same way. Nor will I choose for anyone else. I tend to think that many people who want freedom may not know where or how to find it.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2003, 02:19:56 am
Iraq?  Old news.  You aren't supposed to be looking at that anymore.

Now we are liberating Liberia for the Librarians!  :shock:
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on August 02, 2003, 02:20:52 am
Well...the librarians need a place, right.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 02, 2003, 02:43:09 am
Yep. Those violent assed librarians need to be liberated in Liberia.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2003, 02:44:57 am
Quote from: Official
Yep. Those violent assed librarians need to be liberated in Liberia.


You DON'T want to know what they do to people who have more than one over-due book...Good Gawd A'mighty!  THe horror...the horror...
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 02, 2003, 03:01:22 am
I'm scared! We need to do something about them.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on August 02, 2003, 06:48:48 am
Quote from: Official
I'm scared! We need to do something about them.


No problem.  As soon as we pass PATRIOT II (The Expanded Security Act of 2003), we will make ALL the scary stuff go away.

Trust us.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: The Commander on August 02, 2003, 06:01:40 pm
Armenia for the Armenians!

The Commander
DIA
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Slarti on August 02, 2003, 06:35:10 pm
Quote from: Official
If the machine cannot make toast for us, smash it!

I'm with official on that one too

10110111
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: SMFabal on August 04, 2003, 03:42:55 am
also posted at http://www.principiadiscordia.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=394&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

I've been thinking about this for the past couple of days. I think I can point out why I don't believe change comes quickly. And it comes down to where the machine gets its power.

The Machine's real power lies in its ability to control the educational methods used on its children. Dubbya really doesn't frighten me. The fact that 1/4 of our population voted for him (assuming 50% voter turnout; optimistic, I know) does. And it frightens me that there are people who still support him. And the problem lies in our educational system.

In school, we are taught to read and write. We are taught "Critical Thinking Skills". And we are taught how to "Read for Comprehension". We are taught this because for the past 400 years, the written word has been the primary means of transmitting and storing information. But, as The Commander has pointed out, we are undergoing an Information Revolution. People no longer read, but rely on TV, Radio, and Movies for day to day information and entertainment. But I have not seen any courses on how to cope with this type of information except on the college level. Method of understanding this type of media must be taught in high school, or even sooner. Change begins with education. That's step one.

Then comes step two: Parents need to know Learning comes BEFORE Grades. Intresting concept, isn't it? Far too many paqrents today will go to the mat to drag their kid's grades up by lowering the standards by which students are judged. That leads to dumber parents for the next generation, leading to such arguments as "Why should my kid have to learn something I never did?" and "My child needs to be with children his own age!". I hope I don't have to explain how silly these arguments are. But parents are too concerned about, as my own parents put it, "Getting a piece of paper that'll get you more repect." Yes, my father, a lawyer and teacher, said that.

The really big thing, though, is that we (ie, Americans) are still struggling with Puritan laws, still fighting over (forgive me) minor issues like bigamy, adultry, and homosexuality. Alan Greenspan is nearly identical to Joseph McCarthy in method and ethic. And Americans are fully falling for it again. So after forty years, there has been no real change. Catch 22 - we can't make any real change while the Machine is in place, we can't destroy the machine until real changes take place.

Enough from me now, my loverlies. I have to tune in the Daily Show so I can get the real news for a change    :lol:  :roll:  :wink:
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Official on August 04, 2003, 11:44:11 pm
But it doesn't make toast for us, does it?
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: East Coast Hustle on May 26, 2006, 12:41:55 am
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: St. Trollax
See roger... this is why I like you... We have similar ideals and differend methods of employment... We don't tear each other's heads off either (mind you mine is detachable) see. In six months it's already working.
I don't think it need take 100's of years... If It did, we'd remember past lives because our behaviour would take so long to alter... It's been 6 years for me... Still going... 20 years for your good self there... it's just a question of getting people to willingly (not forcing them as some would have us believe) unplug from the machine... But reaching that place is the problem... and there are so many competing theories... that's right COMPETING... because our pattern-seeking brains have this feedback loop that tends to exclude other possibilities...

It takes innovation to think of something different and audacity to do something differently ~Jonar C. Nader~

~Audacious Trollax~


You modern Discordians are too cerebral for me.

We've gone from tossing wrenches in the gears to TALKING ABOUT IT.

ON THE INTERNET.

(That's not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but it seems that the othos was changed since I was introduced to Eris.

I'm not sure the change is for the better...Discordianism welcomes change, but a change which neuters it is not, IMO, a desirable thing.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: B_M_W on May 26, 2006, 12:50:20 am
MUCHO LULZORZ.
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: LHX on May 26, 2006, 01:32:28 am
LMAO

if i dont take the cerebral approach

the only place for me is a black iron prison


not the metaphorical one
Title: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble!
Post by: Irreverend Hugh, KSC on May 31, 2006, 09:17:24 am
Quote from: LHX
LMAO

if i dont take the cerebral approach

the only place for me is a black iron prison


not the metaphorical one



Nah. They have prisons made of thick glass and sheets of steel too.
Title: Re: Rev Roger Sermon #21: Leeetttts get ready to Rummmmmmble
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 11, 2020, 02:09:14 pm


2.  This is no longer an issue of poetry, zen, OR lost souls.  Look around you...If you live in America, welcome to the machine.  If you DON'T live in America, watch out for the machine!  There's some seriously bad juju coming down the pike, my friend; and war without end is JUST THE BEGINNING!

PROPHECY