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According to Robert Petson, Gove was offered the Brexit Minister job, but said he would only take it if he would be allowed to renegotiate the deal.  May said no, so he said no thanks.

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Yes, I saw that.  My feed is full of Brexit and Yemen and Saudi panic, and then Trump's petulant whining suddenly came through.

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It gets them continued trade with the UK in the meantime.  Besides, I think the point has been made - you'll notice not many of the usual suspects are so keen on withdrawing from the EU now.

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For 21 months, the "transition period", the UK would have to follow all existing EU legislation and continue to implement rulings from EU bodies, such as ECHR, with a clause allowing extension of that period (and subsequently a continuation of following EU policy) while the UK and EU negotiate a final trade deal.

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Hearing rumours that Gove has turned down the role and resigned, and that Mogg has put in the no-confidence call.  Waiting for confirmation on both.

Edit: letter confirmed, but not clear if he has 48 MPs to back him yet.

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Gove absent from HOC so he's probably going to jump ship as well.

Rumour is that he's being offered Brexit Secretary job.

HAS THE UK NOT SUFFERED ENOUGH

The offer has been confirmed by the Telegraph.  No word on a decision yet.

It seems safe to say this wont pass Parliament.  Rumours are that a vote of no-confidence could happen as soon as tomorrow.
Mogg openly threatening it. I don't think they will, doing so would split the party in two. Actually that could be a good thing.

He's not the only one who's made the threat.  The ERG are having an emergency meeting in 20 minutes though, so I suppose we will hear soon enough

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Gove absent from HOC so he's probably going to jump ship as well.

Rumour is that he's being offered Brexit Secretary job.

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I'm more concerned that a return to direct rule will be a shot in the arm for the paramilitaries on both sides.  Not to mention if the Army is being deployed in England to maintain order as is the current plan, then it won't have the resources to go elsewhere...

Which is another point.  I know that generally speaking, an attack on the Falklands would be suicidally stupid, but Argentina has to be considering the odds. 

Lib Dems have come out against the deal.  It seems safe to say this wont pass Parliament.  Rumours are that a vote of no-confidence could happen as soon as tomorrow.

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Assuming Stormont ever gets going again, that is.  Between this and the Tories tainting themselves as an actor in the process, I can see direct rule being reimposed...with all that entails.

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This is unusually frank, even for an Irish diplomat

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Irish diplomatic source, while May is speaking: “Our caution is being shown to be well placed… If the crazies tear it down, the Irish people will know the crazies tore it down.“

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The EU is also saying this is as good a deal as they can provide, that "the EU is at the limit of what will work on EU side - this is an extraordinarily generous EU approach to the British."

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May's trying the same thing, saying it's her deal, no deal or no Brexit.

Labour are also against it, no surprise.  Labour + ERG rebels could kill this in Parliament.  That's assuming May is still PM next week, which is not a given.

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The chaos has started.  3 resignations, and while the DUP don't seem to be actively taking steps thus far, they are cheerleading the dissenters.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« on: November 14, 2018, 11:31:00 pm »
On the plus side, that a potential deal has been agreed to by the Cabinet now means that those who might want to impede it will have to own a no deal Brexit, should it come to pass.

My chief worry is that there are enough idiots who really believe no deal is better than a bad deal and are willing to own trashing the deal, if not the consequences further down the line.

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: General Trump hilarity free-for-all thread
« on: November 14, 2018, 05:34:23 pm »
It's really weird.  I'm not one to automatically assume Mueller, especially when hashtagTheResistance are all parroting the same thing....but the Russia probe, conservative and social media do seem to be common factors among these people who have been quiet of late.  Kim Dotcom, who keeps on claiming he knows passed on the info to Assange and it wasn't the GRU (because there's no way the GRU would ever use cut-outs) is another curiously silent party.

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