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Title: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 13, 2010, 06:32:45 pm
"This isn't the way things are supposed to be.  The force shouldn't be hit with layoffs just when we get a lid on things, and the desk sergeant shouldn't be selling pills to the rank and file.  I shouldn't wake up screaming every night, and you shouldn't have to worry that walking down Drachmann Street means you might turn up jammed into a dumpster."
- An off duty police detective at the Hotel Congress Bar

Imagine that.  Things aren't the way they're supposed to be.  Cops shouldn't be hopped up on pills to stay awake through their new post-layoff shift durations, and crime shouldn't be getting worse.  Banks shouldn't be able to bill us for giving them a loan, and oil drilling companies should be inspected.  We shouldn't be pissing away American lives in Afghanistan and Iraq, and 48% of America probably shouldn't be throwing a tantrum because a Black dude got elected (There are plenty of legitimate things to bitch at Obama for, but who cares, right?).

We live in a world that had steadily - and with great cost - improved for a full century, but has now seemingly burst at the seams, allowing a century's worth of awful sewage and filth to come pouring out.  Orwellian bullshit is on the rise (Example:  Battered White Man Syndrome, where anyone who points out their racism is somehow racist for doing so.  Another example:  The Media Shield Act.), but we can all pretend everything is okay, so long as we have Hispanics to dump on.

The funniest thing about all this is that there really isn't anything wrong.  Let me say that again:  There isn't anything wrong.  Sure, we're in a recession, but that happens like clockwork.  Yes, we have an environmental disaster on the gulf coast, but we've survived those before.  Illegal immigration isn't any worse now than it's ever been (the Southern border has never been "safe".), and terrorists have become a sad joke (since Richard Reid, nobody seems to know how to build a functioning bomb anymore).  Things are basically as normal as they can get.

So the obvious thing to do - at least here in Arizona - is fire, or threaten to fire, as many teachers, police, and emergency workers as possible.  And the way you do that is to push (regressive) tax increases to "save" those jobs, and then spend all of the money in Tempe, Phoenix, Mesa, and Scottsdale, leaving the rest of the state to lay off the above mentioned people.  This creates the problem they want, so that they can use the horrible examples that result as a means to scare the honkey off of the residents of those 4 cities, and squeeze them some more...All the while crying that the democrats want to raise their taxes.

And I'm sure we're not the only state this is happening to.  I happen to know that Utah, Florida, and Texas are doing the same thing (notice a pattern here, folks?).

And everyone eats it up.

So, yeah, fuck it, they deserve what's coming.  

Okay for now,
Dok
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2010, 07:01:52 pm
Wait.

It unvanished!  :banana:
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 14, 2010, 10:16:44 pm
WOOT :D
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2010, 10:18:53 pm
It keeps disappearing and coming back.   :?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2010, 10:36:34 pm
BECAUSE I POSTED IT IN THE RUBBISH BIN!

DERRRRRRRRP!   :lulz:
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 14, 2010, 10:38:51 pm
:lulz:

... I was just going to say that :)

I presume you saved it to a word document by now, right? (otherwise I did, right when I saw it, .. just in case eh)



.. so anyway, enough chasing posts, let's read this thing :)
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 14, 2010, 10:52:33 pm
Good stuff. It's unsettingly comforting to hear you say things are basically as normal as they can get ...

And in the end it's not just that "everyone eats it up", but it's almost like everything is eating itself up. I've seen it happen. Not like really for real, but on my computer, and in forgotten dark corners of my fridge. It's always the same. Something beautiful grows, and then it reaches the edges, and the edges wilt, and the soggy ends make the entire structure unstable and it collapses into a slimy gooey mess. Or on my computer the beautiful snowflake star shape corrupts slips up and becomes a chaotic mess of flickering pixels. I wish I could say it's part of a cycle, and at some point starts up again. But I guess our world is different, since so far things have always crawled back up, even if it takes a long time.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 14, 2010, 10:54:49 pm
Good stuff. It's unsettingly comforting to hear you say things are basically as normal as they can get ...

Only if you consider normal to be a good thing.

And in the end it's not just that "everyone eats it up", but it's almost like everything is eating itself up. I've seen it happen. Not like really for real, but on my computer, and in forgotten dark corners of my fridge. It's always the same. Something beautiful grows, and then it reaches the edges, and the edges wilt, and the soggy ends make the entire structure unstable and it collapses into a slimy gooey mess. Or on my computer the beautiful snowflake star shape corrupts slips up and becomes a chaotic mess of flickering pixels. I wish I could say it's part of a cycle, and at some point starts up again. But I guess our world is different, since so far things have always crawled back up, even if it takes a long time.

Sucks if you were a Roman in 450CE, though, and it probably won't be much prettier for us.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Adios on September 14, 2010, 11:03:19 pm
More good stuff Dok. Chillingly good.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: The Wizard on September 15, 2010, 02:52:40 am
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We live in a world that had steadily - and with great cost - improved for a full century, but has now seemingly burst at the seams, allowing a century's worth of awful sewage and filth to come pouring out.  Orwellian bullshit is on the rise (Example:  Battered White Man Syndrome, where anyone who points out their racism is somehow racist for doing so.  Another example:  The Media Shield Act.), but we can all pretend everything is okay, so long as we have Hispanics to dump on.

Any historical context as to whether this is just a temporary (decade or so long) slump, or are we really taking a couple steps backward? Just want to know whether I should start loading up on popcorn and weaponry now.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. Nice work Dok. Enjoying these pieces immensely.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Juana Go? on September 15, 2010, 03:56:57 am
Nothing like this, I think, Semaj.


I hate it when you do this, Dok. The mundanity of all that bothers me a lot, and you point it out a little too clearly.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on September 15, 2010, 04:07:18 am
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We live in a world that had steadily - and with great cost - improved for a full century, but has now seemingly burst at the seams, allowing a century's worth of awful sewage and filth to come pouring out.  Orwellian bullshit is on the rise (Example:  Battered White Man Syndrome, where anyone who points out their racism is somehow racist for doing so.  Another example:  The Media Shield Act.), but we can all pretend everything is okay, so long as we have Hispanics to dump on.

Any historical context as to whether this is just a temporary (decade or so long) slump, or are we really taking a couple steps backward? Just want to know whether I should start loading up on popcorn and weaponry now.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. Nice work Dok. Enjoying these pieces immensely.

I can't speak for Dok, but I'd like to point out that all empires have at least one important thing in common: they collapse.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 15, 2010, 08:01:01 am
This reminds me somewhat of a conversation I had with a friend of mine on Monday. She lives in Lawrence with her fiance and hates it there, but they bought their house there because they could afford it.

I know that Lawrence is a shithole, as I'm sure other MA spags can corroborate.

Well, she came along with A Villager and I to drop off another friend back at Plattsburg, NY and when we picked her up at her house, I had noticed that there was a spraypainted board in front of a fire station that said, "Closed. Call 911." Lawrence is too cash strapped to maintain its fire department. Calls for fires in Lawrence get rerouted to North Andover, which is populated by mostly upper-middle class to wealthy. Apparently the Lawrence Police Department is suffering the same problem, which I suppose is ok, since I think I recall her fiancee saying on Saturday night that the cops have largely given up on law enforcement anyway. Meanwhile, earlier this year, their new mayor simultaneously held office as State Rep, until the state government called into question his ability to handle Lawrence's financial crisis if he's also holding a position in the House.

They basically take anything shitty happening in their city as normal. Anything they tell me about it doesn't really surprise me.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: The Wizard on September 15, 2010, 12:33:36 pm
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They basically take anything shitty happening in their city as normal. Anything they tell me about it doesn't really surprise me.

Have something to say on this topic. Rant coming on.
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I can't speak for Dok, but I'd like to point out that all empires have at least one important thing in common: they collapse.

True, I'm just not sure whether America's going to fall apart now. We've stepped in nastier shit than this.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Dysfunctional Cunt on September 15, 2010, 02:49:04 pm
Damn Dok fucking awesome!!

But, if everything is ok now, does that mean there is still a chance for improvement?  For things to get better?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Adios on September 15, 2010, 03:07:25 pm
Good stuff. It's unsettingly comforting to hear you say things are basically as normal as they can get ...

And in the end it's not just that "everyone eats it up", but it's almost like everything is eating itself up. I've seen it happen. Not like really for real, but on my computer, and in forgotten dark corners of my fridge. It's always the same. Something beautiful grows, and then it reaches the edges, and the edges wilt, and the soggy ends make the entire structure unstable and it collapses into a slimy gooey mess. Or on my computer the beautiful snowflake star shape corrupts slips up and becomes a chaotic mess of flickering pixels. I wish I could say it's part of a cycle, and at some point starts up again. But I guess our world is different, since so far things have always crawled back up, even if it takes a long time.

It was the 'normal' part that disturbs me. The accepted march of self destruction.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 03:09:16 am
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We live in a world that had steadily - and with great cost - improved for a full century, but has now seemingly burst at the seams, allowing a century's worth of awful sewage and filth to come pouring out.  Orwellian bullshit is on the rise (Example:  Battered White Man Syndrome, where anyone who points out their racism is somehow racist for doing so.  Another example:  The Media Shield Act.), but we can all pretend everything is okay, so long as we have Hispanics to dump on.

Any historical context as to whether this is just a temporary (decade or so long) slump, or are we really taking a couple steps backward? Just want to know whether I should start loading up on popcorn and weaponry now.

EDIT: Forgot to mention. Nice work Dok. Enjoying these pieces immensely.

I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 03:09:43 am
Nothing like this, I think, Semaj.


I hate it when you do this, Dok. The mundanity of all that bothers me a lot, and you point it out a little too clearly.

The worst part of evil is that it's so banal.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: The Wizard on September 16, 2010, 03:18:28 am
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I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.

Okay. Personally don't think so, but I also acknowledge that I could be wrong. Way I look at it, the world gets slowly better every year. Compare where we are to where we were during the Dark Ages, and things look pretty good. We are nowhere near perfect, hell we're not even close to acceptable, but I think things are improving. Either way though, I'm stocking up on equipment/weaponry as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 03:19:43 am
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I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.

Okay. Personally don't think so, but I also acknowledge that I could be wrong. Way I look at it, the world gets slowly better every year. Compare where we are to where we were during the Dark Ages, and things look pretty good. We are nowhere near perfect, hell we're not even close to acceptable, but I think things are improving. Either way though, I'm stocking up on equipment/weaponry as soon as possible.

We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 03:29:20 am
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I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.

Okay. Personally don't think so, but I also acknowledge that I could be wrong. Way I look at it, the world gets slowly better every year. Compare where we are to where we were during the Dark Ages, and things look pretty good. We are nowhere near perfect, hell we're not even close to acceptable, but I think things are improving. Either way though, I'm stocking up on equipment/weaponry as soon as possible.

Maybe it's the years, and maybe it's the miles, but I really even your optimism. I had hope that maybe we were going to take an upturn, but that was before 2009. The world doesn't get any better. It stays the same, but the people care less and get worse. I've met a lot of people, but only a handful really CARE about anything... and that usually gets beaten out of them when they actually try to do something about it. I used to be that way, not so long ago. And I still try for certain causes. But my days of idealistic youth are over. Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: The Wizard on September 16, 2010, 03:38:57 am
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 06:24:10 pm
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.

Five years makes all the difference. I'm only 21, ya know. Maybe in five years, you will realize that Gandhi is the only person on your list worthy of true admiration, but we will just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:25:56 pm
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.

Five years makes all the difference. I'm only 21, ya know. Maybe in five years, you will realize that Gandhi is the only person on your list worthy of true admiration, but we will just have to wait and see.

Only if your standard is "perfection".
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 06:30:54 pm
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.

Five years makes all the difference. I'm only 21, ya know. Maybe in five years, you will realize that Gandhi is the only person on your list worthy of true admiration, but we will just have to wait and see.

Only if your standard is "perfection".

Why shouldn't it be? You can admire Patton and Churchill for their various characteristics, like them, carouse with them, whatever. But a t the end of the day, are they models of what human beings should aspire to be?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:33:25 pm
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.

Five years makes all the difference. I'm only 21, ya know. Maybe in five years, you will realize that Gandhi is the only person on your list worthy of true admiration, but we will just have to wait and see.

Only if your standard is "perfection".

Why shouldn't it be? You can admire Patton and Churchill for their various characteristics, like them, carouse with them, whatever. But a t the end of the day, are they models of what human beings should aspire to be?

1.  Yes, if you're up to your arse in Nazis.  This is looking more and more likely.

2.  JACK Churchhill, incidentally.  Same war, bigger balls.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 06:37:38 pm
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We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

THIS I agree with one hundred percent. The real problem is apathy, which unfortunately is a part of human nature.

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Now, i just want to watch humanity burn itself to the ground. The world will keep on turning, same as always. But without people, it will finally start becoming a better place.

I can understand that, believe it or not. Sometimes I want to just watch humanity die out too. But I've always come out with a reason to keep trying. If the species can produce the likes of Gandhi, Patton, Jack Churchill, and similar people, then I've got hope for it. But I'm young yet. We'll see what I think in five years.

Five years makes all the difference. I'm only 21, ya know. Maybe in five years, you will realize that Gandhi is the only person on your list worthy of true admiration, but we will just have to wait and see.

Only if your standard is "perfection".

Why shouldn't it be? You can admire Patton and Churchill for their various characteristics, like them, carouse with them, whatever. But a t the end of the day, are they models of what human beings should aspire to be?

1.  Yes, if you're up to your arse in Nazis.  This is looking more and more likely.

2.  JACK Churchhill, incidentally.  Same war, bigger balls.

Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:42:24 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 06:44:36 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.

While I understand your logic, I disagree with it. But either way, I think we are in agreement about the current state of affairs.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:46:07 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.

While I understand your logic, I disagree with it. But either way, I think we are in agreement about the current state of affairs.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but okay.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 06:51:21 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.

While I understand your logic, I disagree with it. But either way, I think we are in agreement about the current state of affairs.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but okay.

I think what you are saying is something of a "Fight fire with fire"  thing. To counteract the Nazis there needs to be Pattons. If there are more Gandhis than Pattons, the violence of the Nazis while overcome the peace of the Gandhis, but if there are more Pattons than Gandhis, the "good guys" however those are defined, have a fighting chance? I don't think I articulated that very well.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:55:48 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.

While I understand your logic, I disagree with it. But either way, I think we are in agreement about the current state of affairs.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but okay.

I think what you are saying is something of a "Fight fire with fire"  thing. To counteract the Nazis there needs to be Pattons. If there are more Gandhis than Pattons, the violence of the Nazis while overcome the peace of the Gandhis, but if there are more Pattons than Gandhis, the "good guys" however those are defined, have a fighting chance? I don't think I articulated that very well.

You get Nazis by allowing them to exist.

You get rid of them by killing them.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 16, 2010, 06:58:47 pm
My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place.

 :x

Patently false.

Look at what even the illusion of a Better Way has resulted in in the U.S. over the last 2-3 years.

But anyway...

J Churchill and Patton were men of their time. They were mad (in both senses of the word) and they were effective. Oh, and it helped that they had very clear objectives to achieve victory. I have no gret liking for either of them, but you do have to admire them on some level at least.

Gandhi, however, didn't have a clear objective for victory really. He had a number of nebulous ideals, sure, and he achieved some of them (kinda). But India isn't "Free" - never has been, and whatever "Freedom" it has is not bloodless.

We don't need more Gandhis. We need Superior Gandhis. Better, Stronger, Faster, Smarter, Madder and even more Pissed Off.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 06:59:40 pm
My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place.

 :x

Patently false.

Look at what even the illusion of a Better Way has resulted in in the U.S. over the last 2-3 years.

But anyway...

J Churchill and Patton were men of their time. They were mad (in both senses of the word) and they were effective. Oh, and it helped that they had very clear objectives to achieve victory. I have no gret liking for either of them, but you do have to admire them on some level at least.

Gandhi, however, didn't have a clear objective for victory really. He had a number of nebulous ideals, sure, and he achieved some of them (kinda). But India isn't "Free" - never has been, and whatever "Freedom" it has is not bloodless.

We don't need more Gandhis. We need Superior Gandhis. Better, Stronger, Faster, Smarter, Madder and even more Pissed Off.

Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 16, 2010, 07:01:35 pm
Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.

Shit man, you know it. Fightin' Jesus' sidekick, gettin' upside the head of the usurers in The Temple.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 07:05:34 pm
Oh, I know who Mad Jack is. He wore a sword and took out Nazis with a long bow, right? Patton was arguably a modern day military genius. My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place. Unfortunately though, you are right in saying that the Nazis do exist, and thanks to the fact that human nature tends towards making people like ol' George and Jack, there won't be a shortage of them any time soon.

No, more Gandhis mean more Nazis, unfortunately.  More Pattons mean less Nazis.

While I understand your logic, I disagree with it. But either way, I think we are in agreement about the current state of affairs.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, but okay.

I think what you are saying is something of a "Fight fire with fire"  thing. To counteract the Nazis there needs to be Pattons. If there are more Gandhis than Pattons, the violence of the Nazis while overcome the peace of the Gandhis, but if there are more Pattons than Gandhis, the "good guys" however those are defined, have a fighting chance? I don't think I articulated that very well.

You get Nazis by allowing them to exist.

You get rid of them by killing them.

Ah, that's what I thought you were trying to say. I disagree with the logic there, or rather I think that Nazis are less likely to exist if people are more tolerant and peaceful in general. Not that they won't exist at all, but the Pattons and Mad Jacks will exist as well to fight them. The disconnect is that I think that Nazis are twisted Pattons. So, I believe we are viewing the world through two different lenses Dok.
My point is, if there were more people like Gandhi, there would be less chance of Nazis in the first place.

 :x

Patently false.

Look at what even the illusion of a Better Way has resulted in in the U.S. over the last 2-3 years.

But anyway...

J Churchill and Patton were men of their time. They were mad (in both senses of the word) and they were effective. Oh, and it helped that they had very clear objectives to achieve victory. I have no gret liking for either of them, but you do have to admire them on some level at least.

Gandhi, however, didn't have a clear objective for victory really. He had a number of nebulous ideals, sure, and he achieved some of them (kinda). But India isn't "Free" - never has been, and whatever "Freedom" it has is not bloodless.

We don't need more Gandhis. We need Superior Gandhis. Better, Stronger, Faster, Smarter, Madder and even more Pissed Off.
:lulz: Gandhi 2?

On a more serious note, I'm not arguing that. Which may be where the misunderstanding of each other is coming from. I am saying that if the general trend in people was to be less violent and more idealistic, like Gandhi, then fewer people would become Nazis. (See above). I'm not saying that's how it is, or that it can become that way. Just wishful thinking and pointless speculation.


Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 07:08:59 pm
Ah, that's what I thought you were trying to say. I disagree with the logic there, or rather I think that Nazis are less likely to exist if people are more tolerant and peaceful in general.

Like the Weimar Republic, you mean?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 07:09:32 pm
Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.

Shit man, you know it. Fightin' Jesus' sidekick, gettin' upside the head of the usurers in The Temple.

Hell yeah.  And Elvis.  And "Bob".

It would be like the A team, only more amazing.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 16, 2010, 07:11:13 pm
On a more serious note, I'm not arguing that. Which may be where the misunderstanding of each other is coming from. I am saying that if the general trend in people was to be less violent and more idealistic, like Gandhi, then fewer people would become Nazis. (See above). I'm not saying that's how it is, or that it can become that way. Just wishful thinking and pointless speculation.

I'm not saying that's how it is either. What I'm saying is if you populate the world with more men of peace, the Martial Bad Guys become stronger.

There is a time and a place for pacific protesters, as often violence will solve nothing (qv: the civil rights movement and the influence of MLK). But even in you argument there will always be Bad Guys with Guns ("Fewer Nazis", not "No Nazis") In which case you gotta hope you have more psychopaths on your side willing to take 'em down by any means neccessary in the name of whatever ideal it is you are basing your fight against the Nazis on.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 16, 2010, 07:12:51 pm
Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.

Shit man, you know it. Fightin' Jesus' sidekick, gettin' upside the head of the usurers in The Temple.

Hell yeah.  And Elvis.  And "Bob".

It would be like the A team, only more amazing.

Gonna have to add a Ju-Jitsu Gandhi to that old Apocalypso WOMP now. See if I don't, Herr Doktor.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 07:13:45 pm
Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.

Shit man, you know it. Fightin' Jesus' sidekick, gettin' upside the head of the usurers in The Temple.

Hell yeah.  And Elvis.  And "Bob".

It would be like the A team, only more amazing.

Gonna have to add a Ju-Jitsu Ganchi to that old Apocalypso WOMP now. See if I don't, Herr Doktor.

Woot.  I am also going to start a new WOMP thread, with 2 new cartoons pre-WOMPed and awaiting captioning.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 16, 2010, 07:16:16 pm
Ah, that's what I thought you were trying to say. I disagree with the logic there, or rather I think that Nazis are less likely to exist if people are more tolerant and peaceful in general.

Like the Weimar Republic, you mean?

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

On a more serious note, I'm not arguing that. Which may be where the misunderstanding of each other is coming from. I am saying that if the general trend in people was to be less violent and more idealistic, like Gandhi, then fewer people would become Nazis. (See above). I'm not saying that's how it is, or that it can become that way. Just wishful thinking and pointless speculation.

I'm not saying that's how it is either. What I'm saying is if you populate the world with more men of peace, the Martial Bad Guys become stronger.

There is a time and a place for pacific protesters, as often violence will solve nothing (qv: the civil rights movement and the influence of MLK). But even in you argument there will always be Bad Guys with Guns ("Fewer Nazis", not "No Nazis") In which case you gotta hope you have more psychopaths on your side willing to take 'em down by any means neccessary in the name of whatever ideal it is you are basing your fight against the Nazis on.

Yes, but I'm disagreeing with that idea.

There will be fewer (not no) Nazis, but there will still be Good Guys with Guns, too. Just not as many, and a lesser need for them.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 16, 2010, 07:20:49 pm
Just to jump in on the Gandhi thing-
After Hitler came to power and started persecuting Jews, he advised them to passively let Hitler oppress them, and the Nazis would start to respect them for their peaceful perserverance, and an outpouring of sympathy would cause other nations to put political pressure on them. Fight hate with love and all of that. History has clearly shown that that was all bunk as Nazism considers being passive as more reason to exterminate you (since you're too weak to survive) and political pressure something to pay lip service to until you have more tanks and planes so you can blatantly disregard your treaties while cackling maniacally. Just because he was an admirable man doesn't mean he had workable solutions. It would have been more adviseable for the Jews to live up to the subversive stereotype and actively try to dismantle the regime with extreme and unceasing violence.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 16, 2010, 07:23:12 pm
Further note-
While an individual may be intelligent, a group of people will not be as such and will be able to increase in power by absorbing more people into their group. More Gandhis=More Nazis, because of less resistance to them.

Just my take on it.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 16, 2010, 07:29:13 pm
Ju Jitsu Gandhi FTW.

Shit man, you know it. Fightin' Jesus' sidekick, gettin' upside the head of the usurers in The Temple.

Hell yeah.  And Elvis.  And "Bob".

It would be like the A team, only more amazing.

Gonna have to add a Ju-Jitsu Ganchi to that old Apocalypso WOMP now. See if I don't, Herr Doktor.

Woot.  I am also going to start a new WOMP thread, with 2 new cartoons pre-WOMPed and awaiting captioning.

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb163/wompcabal/Apocolypso2-JuJitsuGandhi.jpg)
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 07:40:39 pm

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Triple Zero on September 16, 2010, 09:26:22 pm
Quote
I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.

Okay. Personally don't think so, but I also acknowledge that I could be wrong. Way I look at it, the world gets slowly better every year. Compare where we are to where we were during the Dark Ages, and things look pretty good. We are nowhere near perfect, hell we're not even close to acceptable, but I think things are improving. Either way though, I'm stocking up on equipment/weaponry as soon as possible.

We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

Then where will the Visigoths come from?

As far as I can tell they were a badass East-Germanic tribe that caused the fall of the Roman empire when they revolted when the empire wouldn't feed them during a famine. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing gutless citizens would do?

I had to look them up cause I forgot most of my history lessons, so maybe I'm missing the point here?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on September 16, 2010, 09:30:44 pm
I could be wrong but I think that they are figuratively refering to the collapse of the US (by comparison of Rome) and that the gutless are the catalyzing equivalent of the Visigoths for America.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Adios on September 16, 2010, 10:06:45 pm

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.

If there is only one constant in the world it is human nature.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 16, 2010, 11:05:40 pm

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.

If there is only one constant in the world it is human nature.

Well, also light speed in a vacuum, absolute zero, Hook's Constant, Planck's Constant, and shitty TV programming.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 17, 2010, 03:26:56 am

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.

Again, not saying that it will change, or that it was possible to change. Just pointlessly thinking about how much nicer the world would be if it was.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 17, 2010, 09:51:47 am
Quote
I think we're on the first real bump on the ride down to Visigothville.  Fortunately, that means I'll be dead before it happens, and you under-30 spags can deal with the unwashed horde.

Okay. Personally don't think so, but I also acknowledge that I could be wrong. Way I look at it, the world gets slowly better every year. Compare where we are to where we were during the Dark Ages, and things look pretty good. We are nowhere near perfect, hell we're not even close to acceptable, but I think things are improving. Either way though, I'm stocking up on equipment/weaponry as soon as possible.

We've had worse times as a nation, but the times aren't the problem, as I spelled out in the OP.  The problem is gutless, entitled citizens who stopped giving a fuck about the republic the day they elected Reagan.

Then where will the Visigoths come from?

As far as I can tell they were a badass East-Germanic tribe that caused the fall of the Roman empire when they revolted when the empire wouldn't feed them during a famine. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing gutless citizens would do?

I had to look them up cause I forgot most of my history lessons, so maybe I'm missing the point here?

The Visigoths weren't the cause of the downfall, they were a symptom. Who and what they were is not as important as who and what the Empire was, when looking at the last days of Imperial Rome.

For the Slow Times in Fat City threads, I tend to think of the Visigoths as more of symbol than a direct historical analogy. They are the sickness that is being explored - and in that sense the first Visigoths are already on the Palatine.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 20, 2010, 01:25:58 am

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.

Again, not saying that it will change, or that it was possible to change. Just pointlessly thinking about how much nicer the world would be if it was.

to help you, I bolded the only word in that sentence that matters.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 20, 2010, 01:48:53 am

No, I mean from the perspective of human nature. Humans are violent by nature. If they were less violent by nature, I believe there would be fewer Nazis.

And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Human nature hasn't changed in 2,000,000 years, and I don't think it's going to start changing next Tuesday.


Again, not saying that it will change, or that it was possible to change. Just pointlessly thinking about how much nicer the world would be if it was.

to help you, I bolded the only word in that sentence that matters.

Thanks for the condescension, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 20, 2010, 04:40:48 am
If you're being condescended to, there's a good chance that it's because you said something really stupid.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 20, 2010, 04:56:43 am
If you're being condescended to, there's a good chance that it's because you said something really stupid.
If you say so. Can't say I understand the need for you to bring up something so inane after a few days and not comment on anything else in the thread, but what do I know? Not too much, apparently. 
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 20, 2010, 06:39:19 am
Can't say I understand why you'd bog up the thread with inane prattling about how wonderful the world would be if we'd all just be nice.

Anyway, you've probably been here long enough to realize that I usually check my tact at the door. It's nothing personal, everyone says stupid shit. Including (especially) me. Just pointing out (in as tactless a way as possible) that when talking about something like this, it's usually good to stick to things that lie inside the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 20, 2010, 06:53:59 am
Can't say I understand why you'd bog up the thread with inane prattling about how wonderful the world would be if we'd all just be nice.

Anyway, you've probably been here long enough to realize that I usually check my tact at the door. It's nothing personal, everyone says stupid shit. Including (especially) me. Just pointing out (in as tactless a way as possible) that when talking about something like this, it's usually good to stick to things that lie inside the realm of possibility.

Yeah, not taking it personally. Just disagreeing in an equally tactless way.  :wink:
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 20, 2010, 08:39:11 am
ECH is not nice (but hasn't yet been known to cause Nazi).

He has a point p.o.d. These threads are more about what things are now, and what can realistically be achieved in the near future from here.

And he wasn't condescending to you so much as the hippie ideal you're mindlessly spouting out the open end of your food tube.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 20, 2010, 01:32:00 pm
Oh dear. You called me p.o.d., now I can't just walk away.  :p

The issue arises when you say things like "realistically" and "realm of possibility", because for me, those words are simply that. I only made the concessions I did before because there was nothing else to say, and it was time for the conversation to end. But for me, my mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is just as possible as any other solution. Likely? No. But if we stuck with likelihoods, we wouldn't have anything to discuss either way. This all results from my personal philosophy, which will become apparent in time.

It will also become apparent that I have some sort of weird idealism bipolar disorder, so if I'm (seriously) arguing idealistically one day,  and I'm going the complete opposite route the next, well, that's normal for me.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Payne on September 20, 2010, 01:36:23 pm
Oh dear. You called me p.o.d., now I can't just walk away.  :p

The issue arises when you say things like "realistically" and "realm of possibility", because for me, those words are simply that. I only made the concessions I did before because there was nothing else to say, and it was time for the conversation to end. But for me, my mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is just as possible as any other solution. Likely? No. But if we stuck with likelihoods, we wouldn't have anything to discuss either way. This all results from my personal philosophy, which will become apparent in time.

It will also become apparent that I have some sort of weird idealism bipolar disorder, so if I'm (seriously) arguing idealistically one day,  and I'm going the complete opposite route the next, well, that's normal for me.

So what you're saying is that I should just ignore you, even when you aren't spagging up perfectly fine threads - because you're likely to just turn around and argue something totally retarded for the hell of it the next day?

Works for me.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 20, 2010, 01:42:02 pm
So what you're saying is that I should just ignore you, even when you aren't spagging up perfectly fine threads - because you're likely to just turn around and argue something totally retarded for the hell of it the next day?

Works for me.

Sure, whatever floats your boat.  :D
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 03:21:03 pm
:crankey:
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Adios on September 20, 2010, 03:24:46 pm
:crankey:

I am feverishly working on the rails to get this back on track.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Freeky on September 20, 2010, 04:11:57 pm
What kind of things would show that there IS something wrong?
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Adios on September 20, 2010, 04:29:32 pm
What kind of things would show that there IS something wrong?

Human involvement.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 20, 2010, 05:30:06 pm
But for me, my mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is just as possible as any other solution.

But for the real world, your mindlessly spouted hippie ideal is an utter impossibility, as long as humans are hard-wired with primate brains. Better to focus on ideas/solutions that can be implemented to improve the lot of humanity in spite of itself than to waste time with things that will never actually work, ever.

And for future reference, when discussing the statistical likelihood of a specific idea or course of action ever coming to pass, saying something like "but for me, blah blah blah" is akin to saying "but for me, 2+2 really does equal 5." It shows a lack of meta-thinking on your part, because if you bothered to think about what you think and WHY you think it, you'd realize that your thought on the subject at hand are being filtered through an unrealistic idea of the world and that you should possibly make some adjustments in order to more closely align your filtered worldview with reality.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 20, 2010, 05:32:17 pm
also...

Sorry Dok. I know this probably feels like a threadjack but in my mind it speaks to the issues that you are describing ITT when even the potentially superior mutants here fall victim to the sort of thinking which is responsible for the problems you've been detailing in this series.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 20, 2010, 05:43:10 pm
also...

Sorry Dok. I know this probably feels like a threadjack but in my mind it speaks to the issues that you are describing ITT when even the potentially superior mutants here fall victim to the sort of thinking which is responsible for the problems you've been detailing in this series.

No problem.  I, too, am annoyed by people who take "should be" as "the way the universe works".

Gonna do something with this.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Cain on September 20, 2010, 10:08:30 pm
If you accept the Machiavellian Intelligence Hypothesis, it's probably better to let humanity fight it out amongst itself for a while longer.  Basically, human intelligence is a by-product of an arms race between primates as to how best manipulate and gain control over each other.  Ramp that process up tenfold (or more) and you're more likely to get humans intelligent enough to solve the problems we've caused.  One way or another.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Phox on September 21, 2010, 12:19:33 am
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.

Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 21, 2010, 12:55:30 am
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.



actually, no. Without anything to back that assertion up, it sounds pretty meaningless and ignorable.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 21, 2010, 01:04:22 am
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Juana Go? on September 21, 2010, 02:44:05 am
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.
:( I disagree. I've very much enjoyed what's been posted here, even if I don't often reply.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 21, 2010, 02:45:04 am
@ECH: You are right and wrong. Hopefully, you will see why I say that soon.

Sorry for all the threadjacking, Dok, I just tend to respond to all comments directed at me, because I am more reactive than I ought to be. I'll shut up now, though.



Doesn't matter.  Horrorology was a mistake in the first place.
:( I disagree. I've very much enjoyed what's been posted here, even if I don't often reply.

Meh.  I have failed to convey anything that I've tried to get across.  It's just another excuse for mental fappery.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: East Coast Hustle on September 21, 2010, 03:05:34 am
Correction: you conveyed it quite eloquently and with great imagery....but the only people who got it were the people who already got it.

Some men, you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he GETS it. And I don't like it any more than you men.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on September 21, 2010, 03:06:59 am
Correction: you conveyed it quite eloquently and with great imagery....but the only people who got it were the people who already got it.

Some men, you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he GETS it. And I don't like it any more than you men.

1.  Same thing, I think.  There's no sense preaching to the choir.  But thanks.

2.  Cool Hand Luke doesn't make eschaton.  He makes eschaton BETTER.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Jasper on September 21, 2010, 06:29:35 am
Just sounding this out, but I 'get' and enjoy Horrorology.  It deserves more time to grow.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: President Television on October 22, 2010, 01:29:57 am
I get Horrorology and I feel like I really am learning something from it. I don't post because I don't feel like I have anything to add and I don't want to take up space doing nothing more than congratulating Howl.
Title: Re: Slow Time in Fat City™, part 5: Quotes from the Edge.
Post by: Doktor Howl on October 22, 2010, 02:31:43 am
Just sounding this out, but I 'get' and enjoy Horrorology.  It deserves more time to grow.

Yeah, I just needed a sulk.