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Principia Discussion / Re: What does it mean to Immanentize the Eschaton?
« Last post by Doktor Howl on September 24, 2023, 04:48:00 am »opinions on "Don't Let THEM Immanetize the Eschaton"
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Principia Discussion / Re: Local 73rd Hermits Cabal
« Last post by Doktor Howl on September 24, 2023, 04:45:59 am »Individual called Altered,
why are you even here?
Iffin you want to smash and destroy everything weird, why not convert to Thelema and serve Ra Hoor Khuit?
I disregard your aggro control trip. Discordianism is chill hippie shit designed to be open-ended.
Also, I'm even doing it in a formal way that rhymes with the old way. And this forum is so quiet that there can expected to be nothing new for the next several decades. Why ban anyone?
How about you fuck off?
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Principia Discussion / Re: Local 73rd Hermits Cabal
« Last post by altered on September 23, 2023, 07:40:00 pm »1: I am here because I've been here for ages and some people I like are here. Where the hell else would I be?
2: I am provably weirder than you. Like, it's actually possible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of context, that I am weirder than you.
Some examples:
--I have 199 people living in my head. Not a joke, this is diagnosed, although using "people" for some of them may be a stretch.
--Actually, example of that: there are not one, but two individual consciousnesses in here that perceive themselves as a hive mind inhabiting a large pack of walking, predatory clams. Like, wobbling around on a fan of geoduck siphons, navigating by sonar using their beards to receive sound and scraping their valves together to make sound, and beating prey to death with their sharpened, beak-shaped valves. They aren't even the weirdest things in here. This isn't lol-random shit, this is literally a fair description of precisely 2 of the 199 beings in my head.
--My actual legal name is "Curse Fraudulence Null". Yes, for real.
--I ask everyone to refer to me as they would an object, an idea, an abstract notion, an unexpected xenomorph folded up in the closet. "It". "That". "Thing". Half of this is that I hate people and being associated with them, the other half is setting expectations.
--I have befriended and worked with multiple successful musicians, videogame developers, film directors, published authors, etc. They see me as one of their kind, even though I have never released work.
--I'm in the process of gearing up to write a queer-plural exegesis of Torah and the Zohar, using the Talmud as a guide, but with the recognition that a being like me would not have been foreseen or understood by the sages.
--I've constructed a half-dozen complete languages, just for fun.
--This list continues.
This, my reaction to your garbage on the floor, is not you being too weird. This is you being too normal. I've seen this shit a thousand times. There are thousands of people exactly like you, speaking only from personal experience, which means there's bound to be millions.
3: Discordianism is not nice. Discordianism is a religion whose goddess is one of chaos and strife. Here, from Wikipedia, is Hesiod describing Eris's children. Parentheticals are the translations of the names of her children, and a fair description of their roles.
"And hateful Eris bore painful Ponos (Hardship),
Lethe (Forgetfulness) and Limos (Starvation) and the tearful Algea (Pains),
Hysminai (Battles), Makhai (Wars), Phonoi (Murders), and Androktasiai (Manslaughters);
Neikea (Quarrels), Pseudea (Lies), Logoi (Stories), Amphillogiai (Disputes),
Dysnomia (Anarchy) and Ate (Ruin), near one another,
and Horkos (Oath), who most afflicts men on earth,
Then willing swears a false oath."
If you don't like that Eris, don't worry, there's another one. From Homer:
"... and Discord [Ἔρις] that rageth incessantly, sister and comrade of man-slaying Ares; she at the first rears her crest but little, yet thereafter planteth her head in heaven, while her feet tread on earth. She it was that now cast evil strife into their midst as she fared through the throng, making the groanings of men to wax."
I should stress, yeah, these two Erises are generally considered to be different goddesses with the same name. I feel kinship with the latter, who I tend to call "Eris Militant". Interestingly, that's also definitely the one who threw the original Apple of Discord. Hm.
"Hippie shit" is a distortion. It's not a wholly untrue one, it's just missing the coat of paint for the filth and shit underneath. Eris is not a nice lady. She's a shit-stirrer and menace. She makes people fight for her own entertainment, and doesn't particularly care if they live or die, so long as it's funny.
Bluntly put: no, you're wrong.
4: There's nothing formal about bumping ancient threads that have nothing to do with whatever the fuck you're doing. "Word salad" is not a valuable addition. It is, by definition, all noise, no signal.
As for the forum being so quiet that they wouldn't ban anyone, don't worry! I can make everyone, especially the admins, sick of my shit in a hot second. And I can 100% take you with me.
2: I am provably weirder than you. Like, it's actually possible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of context, that I am weirder than you.
Some examples:
--I have 199 people living in my head. Not a joke, this is diagnosed, although using "people" for some of them may be a stretch.
--Actually, example of that: there are not one, but two individual consciousnesses in here that perceive themselves as a hive mind inhabiting a large pack of walking, predatory clams. Like, wobbling around on a fan of geoduck siphons, navigating by sonar using their beards to receive sound and scraping their valves together to make sound, and beating prey to death with their sharpened, beak-shaped valves. They aren't even the weirdest things in here. This isn't lol-random shit, this is literally a fair description of precisely 2 of the 199 beings in my head.
--My actual legal name is "Curse Fraudulence Null". Yes, for real.
--I ask everyone to refer to me as they would an object, an idea, an abstract notion, an unexpected xenomorph folded up in the closet. "It". "That". "Thing". Half of this is that I hate people and being associated with them, the other half is setting expectations.
--I have befriended and worked with multiple successful musicians, videogame developers, film directors, published authors, etc. They see me as one of their kind, even though I have never released work.
--I'm in the process of gearing up to write a queer-plural exegesis of Torah and the Zohar, using the Talmud as a guide, but with the recognition that a being like me would not have been foreseen or understood by the sages.
--I've constructed a half-dozen complete languages, just for fun.
--This list continues.
This, my reaction to your garbage on the floor, is not you being too weird. This is you being too normal. I've seen this shit a thousand times. There are thousands of people exactly like you, speaking only from personal experience, which means there's bound to be millions.
3: Discordianism is not nice. Discordianism is a religion whose goddess is one of chaos and strife. Here, from Wikipedia, is Hesiod describing Eris's children. Parentheticals are the translations of the names of her children, and a fair description of their roles.
"And hateful Eris bore painful Ponos (Hardship),
Lethe (Forgetfulness) and Limos (Starvation) and the tearful Algea (Pains),
Hysminai (Battles), Makhai (Wars), Phonoi (Murders), and Androktasiai (Manslaughters);
Neikea (Quarrels), Pseudea (Lies), Logoi (Stories), Amphillogiai (Disputes),
Dysnomia (Anarchy) and Ate (Ruin), near one another,
and Horkos (Oath), who most afflicts men on earth,
Then willing swears a false oath."
If you don't like that Eris, don't worry, there's another one. From Homer:
"... and Discord [Ἔρις] that rageth incessantly, sister and comrade of man-slaying Ares; she at the first rears her crest but little, yet thereafter planteth her head in heaven, while her feet tread on earth. She it was that now cast evil strife into their midst as she fared through the throng, making the groanings of men to wax."
I should stress, yeah, these two Erises are generally considered to be different goddesses with the same name. I feel kinship with the latter, who I tend to call "Eris Militant". Interestingly, that's also definitely the one who threw the original Apple of Discord. Hm.
"Hippie shit" is a distortion. It's not a wholly untrue one, it's just missing the coat of paint for the filth and shit underneath. Eris is not a nice lady. She's a shit-stirrer and menace. She makes people fight for her own entertainment, and doesn't particularly care if they live or die, so long as it's funny.
Bluntly put: no, you're wrong.
4: There's nothing formal about bumping ancient threads that have nothing to do with whatever the fuck you're doing. "Word salad" is not a valuable addition. It is, by definition, all noise, no signal.
As for the forum being so quiet that they wouldn't ban anyone, don't worry! I can make everyone, especially the admins, sick of my shit in a hot second. And I can 100% take you with me.
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High Weirdness / Dracula May Have Wept Blood
« Last post by Brother Mythos on September 23, 2023, 07:24:59 pm »"Dracula may have wept blood on tear-stained letters, chemical analysis reveals"
I bookmarked this article last month, but hadn't had time to read it until today. Anyway, as per the article:
"New research published this month in the journal Analytical Chemistry details how an innovative protein analysis technique has uncovered a rich bevvy of biochemical evidence about the life and health of the most famous (alleged) vampire in history — indeed, the inspiration for Count Dracula himself.
His sweating fist cantering across the surface of Romanian rag paper in swooping lines of 15th Century Latin as steadily as his armies swept through the Carpathian mountains, we know for certain that Vlad Drăculea — merciless defender of Wallachia, harbinger of an estimated 80,000 deaths — wept and bled into the very ink of his hand-written letters. But now it seems that Vlad the Impaler, namesake of Bram Stoker's 1897 epistolary horror, may have even wept literal tears of blood, as described in the oldest stories about him."
Here's the link: https://www.salon.com/2023/08/24/dracula-may-have-wept-blood-on-tear-stained-letters-chemical-analysis-reveals/
I bookmarked this article last month, but hadn't had time to read it until today. Anyway, as per the article:
"New research published this month in the journal Analytical Chemistry details how an innovative protein analysis technique has uncovered a rich bevvy of biochemical evidence about the life and health of the most famous (alleged) vampire in history — indeed, the inspiration for Count Dracula himself.
His sweating fist cantering across the surface of Romanian rag paper in swooping lines of 15th Century Latin as steadily as his armies swept through the Carpathian mountains, we know for certain that Vlad Drăculea — merciless defender of Wallachia, harbinger of an estimated 80,000 deaths — wept and bled into the very ink of his hand-written letters. But now it seems that Vlad the Impaler, namesake of Bram Stoker's 1897 epistolary horror, may have even wept literal tears of blood, as described in the oldest stories about him."
Here's the link: https://www.salon.com/2023/08/24/dracula-may-have-wept-blood-on-tear-stained-letters-chemical-analysis-reveals/
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Principia Discussion / Re: Discordian Mantras and List of Entities
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 11:00:30 am »also about mantras, something about one-syllable words ending in a vowel.
One syllable words are for intonation without trying too much pronounciation. The vowel at the end is so an individual can hold the note for a long time, trail off, and zone out.
a Hare Krishna mantra being a permutation of words.
"hare krishna , krishna hare , krishna krishna , hare hare" 01 10 11 00
Adapted to Discordianism, both Eris and Discord as words do not end in vowels with this mantra scheme. Therefore more one-syllable words ending in vowels , two syllable words with both syllables endings in vowels , are required as materials for creating new mantras.
One syllable words are for intonation without trying too much pronounciation. The vowel at the end is so an individual can hold the note for a long time, trail off, and zone out.
a Hare Krishna mantra being a permutation of words.
"hare krishna , krishna hare , krishna krishna , hare hare" 01 10 11 00
Adapted to Discordianism, both Eris and Discord as words do not end in vowels with this mantra scheme. Therefore more one-syllable words ending in vowels , two syllable words with both syllables endings in vowels , are required as materials for creating new mantras.
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Principia Discussion / Re: Local 73rd Hermits Cabal
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 10:45:55 am »It is called 73rd because there are 73 days in a season.
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Principia Discussion / Re: Local 73rd Hermits Cabal
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 10:42:35 am »thine 
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Principia Discussion / Re: Discordianism as Liquid Religion - Mäkelä & Petsche, Cult. & Rel., 14(4):411-423
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 10:27:57 am »In the past, and for many countries in the present, the State determined the religion of the masses, using threats of death or force to maintain Order.
In Confucianism, there is this idea of Public Rites and Private Rites. Something decentralized like Discordianism is balanced almost entirely to Private Rites. In contrast, the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are balanced towards Public Rites with some admonishing towards Private Rites.
In Confucianism, there is this idea of Public Rites and Private Rites. Something decentralized like Discordianism is balanced almost entirely to Private Rites. In contrast, the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are balanced towards Public Rites with some admonishing towards Private Rites.
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Principia Discussion / Re: What does it mean to Immanentize the Eschaton?
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 10:10:18 am »about 9/11 conspiracies
I've followed the 9/11 conspiracy yarns that I have encountered, and also the Crusade that occured after. And the reasons the states involved claimed, and also the other possible reasons for invading the wrong countries. Including the nature of Sunni Islam and behavior of al-Qaeda factions. Also the dumbing of America and gradual deevolution of the USA into monarchist attitudes. Ventrue
I've followed the 9/11 conspiracy yarns that I have encountered, and also the Crusade that occured after. And the reasons the states involved claimed, and also the other possible reasons for invading the wrong countries. Including the nature of Sunni Islam and behavior of al-Qaeda factions. Also the dumbing of America and gradual deevolution of the USA into monarchist attitudes. Ventrue
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Principia Discussion / Re: What does it mean to Immanentize the Eschaton?
« Last post by Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 09:50:25 am »opinions on "Don't Let THEM Immanetize the Eschaton"
"immanetize" , to make something immanent, suddenly revelevant, like a threat looming over the horizon, like to put a time limit on something in that the end is near,
also, to "not man-ify" , in the sense of robotize
I tend to think of "the Eschaton" as a surveillance computer , and "immanitize" can be to remove human interface , or to turn the computer on and then it has too much power. In the sense of 50s era scifi .
"THEM" as faceless order people, herding about and doing sinister activities to further reduce human society.
"immanetize" , to make something immanent, suddenly revelevant, like a threat looming over the horizon, like to put a time limit on something in that the end is near,
also, to "not man-ify" , in the sense of robotize
I tend to think of "the Eschaton" as a surveillance computer , and "immanitize" can be to remove human interface , or to turn the computer on and then it has too much power. In the sense of 50s era scifi .
"THEM" as faceless order people, herding about and doing sinister activities to further reduce human society.