Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: altered on November 24, 2022, 03:17:32 AM

Title: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on November 24, 2022, 03:17:32 AM
We all knew that, but they've finally decided to put their back into it.

The latest anti-queer targeted attack has the father of the perpetrator on camera saying he's just relieved his son isn't gay. Making a point of saying he taught his son to be violent, because it's what works. Sounded proud, damn near.

And all the usual fools, politicians and talking heads alike, aren't saying thoughts and prayers. Not this time. They're looking for more. And the Dems won't even call it what it is: a blatantly targeted attack on the queer community.

I can't get out, so I really hope everyone else stuck on this boat with me is also ready to scrap like it's Tetsuo: The Iron Man.

I expect full-blown pogroms soon. Not "next couple years" soon, either.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Cain on November 24, 2022, 09:22:28 AM
Agreed. The rhetoric around this attack has been highly disturbing. Rather than disassociate themselves from the attacker, popular commentators have outright defended his actions and tried to justify them.

Twitter's probably going to end up being the Radio Rwanda of this too, when it happens. "LibsofTikTok" published information on another act in Colorado mere hours after the first attack, the implication being clear, "do them in too". With Musk dropping all protections for trans people from the platform (with deliberate malice in mind) there's going to be a concerted online effort to radicalise people who are already on the edge of violence.

This will not end well.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Doktor Howl on November 25, 2022, 03:41:16 AM
WE'RE FINE.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: lexi on November 25, 2022, 05:45:32 PM
the head of twitter already "exiled" their own trans kid who wanted no association. twitter now does the same to us

when i saw this three months ago i still held some hope it wasn't necessary

(https://i.imgur.com/sy8vX8i.png)

options seem to be: declare the war they started, or they pick us off one by one

i've felt relatively safe walking the streets the last two years, but how long until i can say that again
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 16, 2022, 07:17:26 PM
They're trying to make a list of us in Texas. A secret list. They're going to register us. I'm not even exaggerating.

https://archive.ph/YYI7V

When do people realize this is preliminary work toward genocide?
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on December 17, 2022, 05:55:29 PM
Jesus, things are accelerating much faster then I expected, stay safe out there guys
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 18, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
A small mercy for Cain's worry of Twitter being the Radio Rwanda of the trans genocide: Musk banned posting out to any major social media platform today (NO FACEBOOK! NO INSTAGRAM!) and many of the smaller Twitter-replacements (with Truth Social singled out even, the man is divorced from fucking Donald) -- including using things like Linktrees.

The platform probably dies an ignominious death before winter's end. And if Musk isn't vigorously ejected from the companies with government contracts, it'll be a Christmas miracle -- no one is putting anything behind a man who violates anti-trust law on a fucking social media site.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2022, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: altered on December 18, 2022, 06:59:42 PM
A small mercy for Cain's worry of Twitter being the Radio Rwanda of the trans genocide: Musk banned posting out to any major social media platform today (NO FACEBOOK! NO INSTAGRAM!) and many of the smaller Twitter-replacements (with Truth Social singled out even, the man is divorced from fucking Donald) -- including using things like Linktrees.

The platform probably dies an ignominious death before winter's end. And if Musk isn't vigorously ejected from the companies with government contracts, it'll be a Christmas miracle -- no one is putting anything behind a man who violates anti-trust law on a fucking social media site.

Holy shit.  That man is a fucking IDIOT.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 18, 2022, 10:59:52 PM
He really does make Howard Hughes and his piss jars look rational.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Cain on December 18, 2022, 11:10:34 PM
As someone on Facebook mentioned, this is the "don't link to any other forums" move every admin of every dying forum tries to pull.

It's a fucking death spiral now. He's banning critical journalists and doing other dumb shit, but it doesn't really matter now.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 18, 2022, 11:56:48 PM
It turns out you can in fact buy laughter like this. It's very expensive and you don't get to join in the fun, but you can buy it.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Bruno on December 19, 2022, 04:55:26 AM
He can make that poll say whatever he wants it to say. This seems like it's just a way for him to step down while saving face.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Cain on December 19, 2022, 02:52:43 PM
The new policy has been scrubbed from the Twitter support profile and Twitter policy webpage, btw
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Suu on December 21, 2022, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: altered on November 24, 2022, 03:17:32 AM
I expect full-blown pogroms soon. Not "next couple years" soon, either.

I've been saying this for the last couple of years and nobody wants to believe me. Once Joanne Rowling came out as full blown TERF and you watched the seas part on social media, it was clear where this was going. I honestly fucking think the straights were salivating at the idea of monkeypox being the next AIDS, they want genocide.

This isn't fucking funny and I am not being dramatic, dammit. All part of why I want the fuck out of this country as soon as I can.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Suu on December 21, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Quote from: altered on December 16, 2022, 07:17:26 PM
They're trying to make a list of us in Texas. A secret list. They're going to register us. I'm not even exaggerating.

https://archive.ph/YYI7V

When do people realize this is preliminary work toward genocide?

They already know, that's why nothing is happening.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on December 21, 2022, 01:57:31 PM
Paxton should have been in prison like, eight years ago anyway. And nobody's stepping in to make that happen or stop this.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 21, 2022, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: Suu (parody account) on December 21, 2022, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: altered on November 24, 2022, 03:17:32 AM
I expect full-blown pogroms soon. Not "next couple years" soon, either.

I've been saying this for the last couple of years and nobody wants to believe me. Once Joanne Rowling came out as full blown TERF and you watched the seas part on social media, it was clear where this was going. I honestly fucking think the straights were salivating at the idea of monkeypox being the next AIDS, they want genocide.

This isn't fucking funny and I am not being dramatic, dammit. All part of why I want the fuck out of this country as soon as I can.

I kept my mouth shut when I saw the writing on the wall in 2018. A trans woman got approved for asylum in NZ because of how bad things were in the UK. That's when I knew the US was definitely going to go further. We always try to outdo the rest of the world when it comes to pointless cruelty, it's all we have in our blood.

I've been yelling for the past year or so. I saw Club Q coming a year prior, and LoTT or an identical stochastic terrorism nexus was practically a given from the start of the pandemic. Moore County was apparently a test run by former parts of Atomwaffen and certainly specifically targeted drag events in particular.

And yeah, obviously they don't give a fuck. But I want them to have to fucking say it. I want them to announce they're my enemy. I want them to make it real clear what they're about.

Anyway, I can never leave. I'm too poor, too disabled, too dregs-of-the-societal-scum-heap for anyone to take me. I'm stuck here until I die.

All I'm saying is that I intend to go down hard and make people have regrets.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Suu on December 21, 2022, 11:17:49 PM
Quote from: altered on December 21, 2022, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: Suu (parody account) on December 21, 2022, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: altered on November 24, 2022, 03:17:32 AM
I expect full-blown pogroms soon. Not "next couple years" soon, either.

I've been saying this for the last couple of years and nobody wants to believe me. Once Joanne Rowling came out as full blown TERF and you watched the seas part on social media, it was clear where this was going. I honestly fucking think the straights were salivating at the idea of monkeypox being the next AIDS, they want genocide.

This isn't fucking funny and I am not being dramatic, dammit. All part of why I want the fuck out of this country as soon as I can.

I kept my mouth shut when I saw the writing on the wall in 2018. A trans woman got approved for asylum in NZ because of how bad things were in the UK. That's when I knew the US was definitely going to go further. We always try to outdo the rest of the world when it comes to pointless cruelty, it's all we have in our blood.

I've been yelling for the past year or so. I saw Club Q coming a year prior, and LoTT or an identical stochastic terrorism nexus was practically a given from the start of the pandemic. Moore County was apparently a test run by former parts of Atomwaffen and certainly specifically targeted drag events in particular.

And yeah, obviously they don't give a fuck. But I want them to have to fucking say it. I want them to announce they're my enemy. I want them to make it real clear what they're about.

Anyway, I can never leave. I'm too poor, too disabled, too dregs-of-the-societal-scum-heap for anyone to take me. I'm stuck here until I die.

All I'm saying is that I intend to go down hard and make people have regrets.

Strap up. Not even kidding. I mean, what are they gonna do? Actually pass gun laws? And if they try discriminatory laws, the Hague is going to pay attention really fucking fast.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 22, 2022, 09:48:13 AM
I'm saying nothing but noting that I have a long-standing interest in firearms design and understand all of the engineering principles involved, down to the ergonomics.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on December 26, 2022, 08:14:43 PM
Something it's worth keeping in mind in the UK:

Our self defence laws are not as clearly defined as many other countries.

Essentially, a major factor in whether the force used to defend yourself is 'proportional' is whether you do what is 'honestly and instinctively necessary' to do so.

Carrying something which is then used as a weapon opens the door for the police to decide that you were not acting instinctively; you were carrying a weapon with the premeditated desire to use it, at which point they may decide that you rather than or as well as your assailant have a case to answer.

This is obviously a very wooly area but particularly as a marginalised person in the UK it is worth being aware of the risks of going armed, even though theoretically it is legal to carry a knife under three inches in length, a sturdy walking stick etc. The authorities do not tend to extend the benefit of the doubt to our communities, regardless of what guidelines say.

I am emphatically not advising that we should disarm ourselves. By the time it gets to court it is highly likely that cases such as this will be thrown out - but it is also fair to say that UK prisons are not a kind place for many people even for very short stays and that limiting contact with the police altogether is often the best advice when looking to keep yourself safe.

I am saying though that if you are preparing for situations where you may be forced to defend yourself it is also important to consider how the police will view the methods used (likely in the most uncharitable light possible) and how much effort they will want to put into talking to you after the fact when you have successfully gotten yourself to safety.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on December 26, 2022, 09:39:30 PM
In the USA, guns are legal to carry around, and that's only going to get easier as these fools have their way with the legal apparatus.

In the USA, we also have mass shootings, far-right extremists in law enforcement, and a now-regular series of domestic terrorist attacks on power substations. Oh yeah, more of those yesterday, up in Washington.

One day soon, someone you know in the US (and this goes for anyone and everyone) is going to be in one of those blackouts. And if they're outspoken and queer, black, far-left or any other number of acceptable target identities, a year or two down the line it's about 50/50 they don't survive to see the power come back. So in the US, going armed isn't an optional thing. They're coming for us.  Not being armed or part of a robust defensive infrastructure (e.g. surrounded by people who ARE armed and on your side) is itself suicide now.

Some of my partners, many friends, and countless other possible targets are at risk of suicide if they have access to self-defense tools, so I'm all too aware there's large numbers of people in the same boat I am who will still be going unarmed, because murder by Proud Boy is a possibility, but suicide by handgun is a certainty. But if no one around here arms up, no one will be left to give those people a chance.

The UK, of course, is a different beast.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Suu on January 01, 2023, 04:10:00 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on December 26, 2022, 08:14:43 PM
Something it's worth keeping in mind in the UK:

Our self defence laws are not as clearly defined as many other countries.

Essentially, a major factor in whether the force used to defend yourself is 'proportional' is whether you do what is 'honestly and instinctively necessary' to do so.

Carrying something which is then used as a weapon opens the door for the police to decide that you were not acting instinctively; you were carrying a weapon with the premeditated desire to use it, at which point they may decide that you rather than or as well as your assailant have a case to answer.

This is obviously a very wooly area but particularly as a marginalised person in the UK it is worth being aware of the risks of going armed, even though theoretically it is legal to carry a knife under three inches in length, a sturdy walking stick etc. The authorities do not tend to extend the benefit of the doubt to our communities, regardless of what guidelines say.

I am emphatically not advising that we should disarm ourselves. By the time it gets to court it is highly likely that cases such as this will be thrown out - but it is also fair to say that UK prisons are not a kind place for many people even for very short stays and that limiting contact with the police altogether is often the best advice when looking to keep yourself safe.

I am saying though that if you are preparing for situations where you may be forced to defend yourself it is also important to consider how the police will view the methods used (likely in the most uncharitable light possible) and how much effort they will want to put into talking to you after the fact when you have successfully gotten yourself to safety.

Nothing a roll of coins in a tube sock can't solve. Keep both socks in your bag with you at all times. And another roll or two of coins. You now have evidence it wasn't premeditated. You were going to the bank to cash in your change, and like to keep extra socks on you just in case it rains.

Here, I recommend keeping a baseball bat in your car, along with a glove and a ball or two. You were on your way to batting practice.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on January 01, 2023, 06:31:12 AM
Yup. I'd give more examples but you know... KYMS.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: QuestionsTheSoil on February 28, 2023, 01:49:17 AM
People are getting more and more open about wanting trans people like me dead or institutionalized.

Everything keeps getting worse.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on February 28, 2023, 02:03:04 AM
As I described a few years back, exploring my personal association with monstrosity:

"You're a baby lost in a hostile environment of soft meat beasts and labyrinthine tunnels, all trying to kill you. You have acid blood and teeth and claws but they have assault rifles and hate. Your life will be brutish and short if you don't do unto them first."

We're the xenomorphs in the vents.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 07, 2023, 04:59:23 PM
I haven't been keeping this up to date, because I have come to realize that generally people already are too goddamn aware, or they don't believe it until they see it aiming at them.

See, I am sure some of you thought the title of this thread referred to those of you who are like me. They're coming for Us Weirdo Trannies. Right?

Oh no. They're coming for you personally. Do take a look.

https://legiscan.com/TN/text/HB0878/id/2670622

Read the text. It's like 3 lines, in big font, double-spaced. Read the whole thing. Read it again.

So, while all of this is happening, what exactly are /you/ doing? Oh, I see.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 07, 2023, 08:27:04 PM
Yeah. I haven't been keeping UK TERFwatch up to date either for similar reasons.

They spent most of last year firing shots.

Now they've openly declared war.

I can see how it goes from here and at this point I don't see any changing that.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 08, 2023, 05:47:22 PM
Hey, remember when a disabled autistic it/its furry transfem leaked the TSA no-fly list? Look what it found now!

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails/

Now will the NYT report on this? No. Of course not. Nor will any of the TERFy rags of the UK. This will have no broader repercussions at all. This will hurt no careers, it will do no damage, it will be buried with all the pomp and circumstance of a mouse turd in a cereal box.

But it's there.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: QuestionsTheSoil on March 10, 2023, 06:02:41 PM
They'll strike at you, and then say "you started it."
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: lexi on March 11, 2023, 03:25:19 PM
Quote from: altered on March 08, 2023, 05:47:22 PM
Hey, remember when a disabled autistic it/its furry transfem leaked the TSA no-fly list? Look what it found now!

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails/

Now will the NYT report on this? No. Of course not. Nor will any of the TERFy rags of the UK. This will have no broader repercussions at all. This will hurt no careers, it will do no damage, it will be buried with all the pomp and circumstance of a mouse turd in a cereal box.

But it's there.

yup. none of this requires a degree in journalism to find. read another article posing as news today which gleefully repeated anti-trans talking points from SEGM. who are they i wonder without any wonder, and yeah, this was on the first search page result for just "SEGM" without any additional terms: https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/

journalism is under threat from its own ranks only - they don't want to acknowledge that war either
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 12, 2023, 02:51:24 AM
Cops watching Nazis, actual full blown swastika-flag-waving armed insurgent Nazis, point guns at queer people and just shrugging about it.

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone here (I would 10000% think less of anyone surprised by it at this point), but it's a datapoint.

Acumen Nation's Gun Lover is the song you should listen to.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 12, 2023, 09:47:31 AM
Meanwhile a friend went to the anti-SFP (A Scottish christofascist group) protest and got scolded by the organisers for flipping them the bird because it might "antagonise" them.

Glad we understand the scale of the threat.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 13, 2023, 12:49:59 AM
I found out today that a friend of most(!) of my friends, someone I didn't know, was detransitioned to death. The story is available if you want to find it. It's not mine to tell.

That said? The people who did this should have holes put in their fucking heads and be dragged through the streets in sacks.

Transphobes are murderers whether or not they raise a hand, or even say a fucking /word/ against us. Their hands are all red with fucking blood. Their souls are withered husks.

I am of the mind now that the only option is overwhelming, outrageous violence. If they walk away under their own power they must be maimed beyond recognition. Take fingers. Gouge eyes. Embody the Doom Slayer, because there is no other god of sufficient wrath.

And I'm done with the fucking cis "allies". I haven't been able to go two days without running into Nazis pulling guns on us in public, a new expose of just how fucking stacked against us fucking everything is, and now a dead girl I never met or heard of, but was only a SINGLE FUCKING JUMP removed from.

This isn't even the /first/. Last year, last fucking year, it was Elise Malory.

And what do the cis people in my life do? They sing to their stupid tiny dog that shits everywhere and bites all the other dogs for no reason, and they talk about how I have it /so good/ because I don't have a job (because of disability) and just laze around all day (false as fuck).

I have a hate like an oxyacetylene flame. I have a head full of names written in blood. I have enemies all around and no respite from hostility and violence. I have a community they're killing in plain fucking sight and no one even sheds a fucking tear.

If a transphobe has an unbroken bone in their body, it had better be because you're taking it for a FUCKING trophy. Good fucking night.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 23, 2023, 08:58:37 PM
No one is safe.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/mar/23/world-athletics-council-excludes-transgender-women-from-female-events

Read the article, because it doesn't stop at transfems.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on March 23, 2023, 10:06:42 PM
So anyone with a non specific genetic condition has to pass a testosterone low pass filter? That's nuts.

Does it bar a woman with increased testosterone which naturally happens post 40s?

And it only applies to the women's games? For fairness if there is a low pass filter on the woman's games there should be a high pass on the mens?
Any man without enough testosterone would  be eliminated for not being manly enough.

I said that as a joke but now I can actually see that being floated as a serious idea
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 24, 2023, 06:16:12 AM
Not even post-40 in some women.

This is codifying what happened to Caster Semenya and saying that it was good, actually.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 24, 2023, 06:55:41 PM
All bigotry is intertwined. The final position of any bigotry recreates all other bigotries.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Cain on March 24, 2023, 08:10:32 PM
QuoteHowever Coe also stressed that he would set up a working group that would consult with transgender athletes and review any fresh research that emerged.

Bullshit. What "fresh" evidence? The Olympics has allowed trans athletes for over 20 years at this point, and they based their decision on some extremely in-depth studies. How many trans athletes have gone on to win medals, again? You'd think Laurel Hubbard won golds across the board, given the coverage.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 25, 2023, 01:11:05 AM
It just gets worse, folks. Are you in Florida? You had better hope you don't get any reproductive cancers or breast cancer. If you need hormone treatment for menopause, forget it. This one has no bottom. https://newrepublic.com/post/171330/florida-gop-anti-trans-bill-extreme-ban-treatment-breast-cancer
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 25, 2023, 01:14:09 AM
By the way, studies currently are very suggestive that COVID exposure increases susceptibility to cancer a non-trivial amount. Nothing conclusive in the absolute (yet), but the data is trending towards potentially accelerating the course of cancer, reactivating latent/dormant cancer cells, and more besides.

So if you've had COVID, and those studies bear out, and you're in Florida, you'd better hope it's nothing in your bits that gets it. You will die. If you don't die, your doctor is fucked.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 25, 2023, 07:15:21 AM
This site (https://translegislation.com/) is useful for watching the scale of this stuff over in the US.

If I remember correctly the phrase that Biden likes to use is that he has trans people's backs.

Would be nice to see that translate into some kind of meaningful pushback against this.

Right now the only news I hear out of the US is Republicans trying to take horrific measures against trans folks, Democrats saying that it isn't very nice of them to do that, and trans people desperate for help being told that the only solution is to vote Democrat. Which doesn't honestly seem to be helping that much.

But any real political fightback against Republicans on this would (as I understand it) require them to fight state legislators and ultimately the Supreme Court, and they couldn't even do that for abortion. I'm not going to hold my breath.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 25, 2023, 07:18:07 PM
There is meaningful pushback, actually. From, like, two ladies.

https://www.salon.com/2023/03/24/nebraska-dem-with-trans-son-vows-to-block-all-bills-no-one-in-the-world-holds-a-grudge-like-me/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/03/democrat-machaela-cavanaugh-stopped-anti-trans-nebraska-bill.html

Yeah, that's it. Two cis gals in Nebraska that you've never heard of are holding back the fucking Adversary /by themselves./ Unsupported.

No one else cares to do anything but shrug and say empty words of encouragement. "Cheer up, so I don't have to see you being unhappy"-ass bullshit.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 25, 2023, 07:26:44 PM
Those were wonderful to read.

It isn't enough but holy shit it was nice to read about someone doing something.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 26, 2023, 08:02:28 PM
Quote from: altered on March 08, 2023, 05:47:22 PM
Hey, remember when a disabled autistic it/its furry transfem leaked the TSA no-fly list? Look what it found now!

https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails/

Now will the NYT report on this? No. Of course not. Nor will any of the TERFy rags of the UK. This will have no broader repercussions at all. This will hurt no careers, it will do no damage, it will be buried with all the pomp and circumstance of a mouse turd in a cereal box.

But it's there.

There's more. https://maia.crimew.gay/posts/the-emails-2/
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2023, 04:08:27 PM
They're saying the Nashville shooter was trans because she put "he/him" on a social media account. She was assigned female at birth and she went by Audrey.
I'm obviously NOT the arbiter of who qualifies as trans, so if I'm overstepping you're all welcome to tell me to STFU.
But didn't they pull this same shit after Uvalde?
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/two-far-right-miami-groups-helped-spread-fake-news-about-uvalde-school-shooter-14565763 (https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/two-far-right-miami-groups-helped-spread-fake-news-about-uvalde-school-shooter-14565763)
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2023, 04:46:09 PM
Think it was also referenced in the psychos manifesto but I could be wrong about that
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2023, 07:01:54 PM
I'd have to see it for myself, and of course they haven't released it. I just keep finding things like this:

"We have a manifesto," Drake told reporters. "We have some writings that we're going over that pertain to this date, the actual incident. We have a map drawn out of how all this was gonna take place."

"There's right now a theory that we may be able to talk about later, but it's not confirmed," he added. "So, we'll put that out as soon as we can."

Drake hinted that one theory on the motive may involve Hale's transgender identity. While police identified Hale as a woman, some of the shooter's social media profiles suggest that Hale may have used he/him pronouns.


https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hales-manifesto-reveals-details-about-targeted-attack-1790687 (https://www.newsweek.com/audrey-hales-manifesto-reveals-details-about-targeted-attack-1790687)

So essentially, some cops in Nashville have a manifesto (that we can't see) and a theory based on "he/him" on a social media profile.
I did find a photo of her in mens' clothes (tie, etc.) But not everyone who does that identifies as trans, obviously.

I still feel like they're spinning the fuck out of this.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2023, 07:27:12 PM
Yeah im sceptical too, so I watched the school viid, the attacker is in men's clothes but unless the manifesto says: I am doing this in part or because (something related to being trans) its only part of the story.

It could be entirely coincidental and not part of the motivation of the attacker and used to overshadow the barbaric attack. Hopefully they will publish it even if that means giving these cowards a platform

Someone pointed out the leading cause of death in the USA for under 12s is gunshots, passed out car crashes in 2020. No ones discussing that
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2023, 07:42:48 PM
I never see it mentioned outside of blue spaces.
Except once. Somehow FOX let this lady slip past the censors.  :lulz:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1640406172573351943 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1640406172573351943)
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on March 28, 2023, 08:13:32 PM
I hate to say it but this is one of those instances where the truth doesn't matter. It's out there now. It can't be taken back.

Fucking terrified of what the revenge attacks this inspires are going to look like.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2023, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on March 28, 2023, 07:42:48 PM
I never see it mentioned outside of blue spaces.
Except once. Somehow FOX let this lady slip past the censors.  :lulz:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1640406172573351943 (https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1640406172573351943)
Lol Charlton Heston will climb out of whatever salted earth he was buried in and force a rifle into her hands
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Faust on March 28, 2023, 09:49:38 PM
Quote from: Scribbly on March 28, 2023, 08:13:32 PM
I hate to say it but this is one of those instances where the truth doesn't matter. It's out there now. It can't be taken back.

Fucking terrified of what the revenge attacks this inspires are going to look like.

If not retaliatory attacks: the already looming in background "transgender = mental illness" crowd with use it to push through more controls more hurdles, more hoops and they won't find much resistance
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on March 29, 2023, 01:28:02 AM
I say look at history. Historically, what happens when a marginalized group is even accused of having one of their members commit a crime against children?

I sincerely suspect I will have someone I know be targeted with intent to kill in the near future. Before year's end.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on April 08, 2023, 04:48:05 PM
Well, by now I'm sure you all know the Dems sold us out to the bigots.

I was on team "Biden, because the other option is worse" in 2020, but it really is indistinguishable now. Biden says "okay, sure, go ahead and discriminate against trans children" the same week that a state passes genital inspections of children.

My activism was very much focused on trying to support the existence of electoral change alongside violent agitators, because that's how you get results.

There's just one problem. Right now, electoral change is so incremental that it is BACKPEDALING. It is literally giving the enemy what they want and shrugging, in, charitably, the hope they will do nothing with that power. (Uncharitably and far more realistically, it's because they don't care enough about minorities to save them rather than sell out to fascists.)

It's very likely I will not survive to see the election. And the election after next is a pipe dream: there almost certainly won't be one, whether because of open civil war or because the GOP has installed a Christofascist dictator for life.

So I hope everyone realizes that my abandonment of incrementalist progress in favor of out-right accelerationism right now, to tear down the burning building rather than try to calm the flames, is because the roof is collapsing NOW. There is no time to go back in again and save more people, we have to try and stop the fire from getting everyone who already is on their way out. They won't be there to save if we take our time.

It's the trolley problem writ large. If we keep doing what we've been doing, everyone we want to save will be dead. We might be able to stop them from being genocided if we treat this like what it fucking is.
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on April 08, 2023, 04:51:37 PM
(This isn't "vote for the bad guys" accelerationism, by the way. It's "vote with [REDACTED].")
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Doktor Howl on May 10, 2023, 07:15:47 PM
Quote from: altered on March 29, 2023, 01:28:02 AM
I say look at history. Historically, what happens when a marginalized group is even accused of having one of their members commit a crime against children?

I sincerely suspect I will have someone I know be targeted with intent to kill in the near future. Before year's end.

Or maybe just your doctor.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-transgender-UNC-Duke-644667457768?utm_source=ForYou&utm_medium=HomePage&utm_id=Taboola
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: altered on May 10, 2023, 10:23:55 PM
The docs are gonna die first, absolutely. But that won't stop trans people from existing, they'll just get their shit done in other countries.

So they'll have to start coming for us directly. I genuinely expect to find out a partner, metamour or dear friend got a loaded gun pointed at them before Christmas. Coin-flip odds the gun gets fired, and another coinflip between "warning shots" and "aimed fire".
Title: Re: They're coming for you.
Post by: Scribbly on May 25, 2023, 01:54:48 PM
Friend shared A Self Defense Study Guide for Trans Women and Gender Non-Conforming / Nonbinary AMAB Folks (https://www.silversprocket.net/2021/09/13/a-self-defense-study-guide-for-trans-women-and-gender-non-conforming-nonbinary-amab-folks/?) with me. Much of this is sensible and good to know/keep in mind IMO.