Principia Discordia

Principia Discordia => Think for Yourself, Schmuck! => Topic started by: Cain on December 09, 2011, 09:37:19 PM

Title: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Cain on December 09, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
This conforms to my preconcieved notions about how people in power behave:

Teh WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501236.html)

Quote[N]ew research in political science and psychology has provided a novel explanation for why leaders and managers regularly let their followers down and resort to the kind of "layoffs and pay cuts are good for you" talk that defines absurdity. These studies show that leaders often emerge from communities not because they are ruthless, but because they are skilled at managing social relationships.

    Something happens to people once they acquire power, however, and the transformation appears to be psychological...[V]olunteers made to feel powerful, even in a trivial laboratory experiment, almost instantly lose the ability to see things from other people's points of view...

    [P]ower exacerbates many cognitive biases. People who lack power turn out to be more accurate in guessing the opinions of those around them, whereas those in power tend to be inaccurate. Because subordinates are also hesitant to tell superiors things they do not want to hear, the problem gets worse, with powerful people having even less input and perspective about how others think and feel...

    Not having power forces you to see things from other people's points of view and increases empathy and social behavior. Having power allows you to ignore other points of view -- depriving you of the social skills that led to power in the first place. When powerful people such as Musharraf say and do things that are absurd, in other words, it could be that they are simply unaware of how they appear to others.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 09, 2011, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: Cain on December 09, 2011, 09:37:19 PM
This conforms to my preconcieved notions about how people in power behave:

Teh WaPo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501236.html)

Quote[N]ew research in political science and psychology has provided a novel explanation for why leaders and managers regularly let their followers down and resort to the kind of "layoffs and pay cuts are good for you" talk that defines absurdity. These studies show that leaders often emerge from communities not because they are ruthless, but because they are skilled at managing social relationships.

    Something happens to people once they acquire power, however, and the transformation appears to be psychological...[V]olunteers made to feel powerful, even in a trivial laboratory experiment, almost instantly lose the ability to see things from other people's points of view...

    [P]ower exacerbates many cognitive biases. People who lack power turn out to be more accurate in guessing the opinions of those around them, whereas those in power tend to be inaccurate. Because subordinates are also hesitant to tell superiors things they do not want to hear, the problem gets worse, with powerful people having even less input and perspective about how others think and feel...

    Not having power forces you to see things from other people's points of view and increases empathy and social behavior. Having power allows you to ignore other points of view -- depriving you of the social skills that led to power in the first place. When powerful people such as Musharraf say and do things that are absurd, in other words, it could be that they are simply unaware of how they appear to others.

Wow... that's fascinating!
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Lord Cataplanga on December 09, 2011, 10:01:46 PM
Very interesting. It appears that true communication really only exists between equals. Who would have thought?
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Phox on December 10, 2011, 12:49:37 AM
Hmm. Fascinating indeed.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on December 10, 2011, 04:16:22 AM
(http://amultiverse.com/files/comics/2011-10-24-Eat-The-Rich.png)
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Saint Wolfsong on January 18, 2012, 01:18:28 AM
What does discordia mean to me?  what does discordia mean to ME?? I'll TELL you what discordia means to me!

It means......

Halp, Halp, probability waves are collapsing all around me!!!!

Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Telarus on January 18, 2012, 02:00:02 AM
Quote from: Saint Wolfsong on January 18, 2012, 01:18:28 AM
What does discordia mean to me?  what does discordia mean to ME?? I'll TELL you what discordia means to me!

It means......

Halp, Halp, probability waves are collapsing all around me!!!!

Waves are not measured in feet and inches, they are measured in increments of fear.

-Buzzy Trent.

Don't seek, don't search, don't ask, don't knock, don't demand - relax. If you relax, it comes. If you relax, it is there. If you relax, you start vibrating[moving] with it.

-Osho

One of the greatest things about the sport of surfing is that you need only three things: your body, a surf-board, and a wave.

-Naima Green

Calm in quietude is not real calm. When you can be calm in the midst of activity, this is the true state of nature. Happiness in comfort is not real happiness. When you can be happy in the midst of hardship, then you see the true potential of the mind.

-Huanchu Daoren

Some people may become overly reliant on the program and its people and meetings. This type of rigid participation enables people to avoid addressing the pain and issues that lie beneath the addiction. Surf now, apocalypse later.

-Beachside graffiti in California.

The master in the art of living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his information and his recreation, his love and his religion. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence at whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him he is always doing both.

-Zen Wisdom

Surfing expresses ... a pure yearning for visceral, physical contact with the natural world.

-Matt Warshaw

The feminine is more powerful than the masculine, the soft is more powerful than the hard, the water is more powerful than the rock.

-Osho
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Don Coyote on January 18, 2012, 02:02:16 AM
Quote from: Telarus on January 18, 2012, 02:00:02 AM
Quote from: Saint Wolfsong on January 18, 2012, 01:18:28 AM
What does discordia mean to me?  what does discordia mean to ME?? I'll TELL you what discordia means to me!

It means......

Halp, Halp, probability waves are collapsing all around me!!!!

Waves are not measured in feet and inches, they are measured in increments of fear.

-Buzzy Trent.

Don't seek, don't search, don't ask, don't knock, don't demand - relax. If you relax, it comes. If you relax, it is there. If you relax, you start vibrating[moving] with it.

-Osho

One of the greatest things about the sport of surfing is that you need only three things: your body, a surf-board, and a wave.

-Naima Green

Calm in quietude is not real calm. When you can be calm in the midst of activity, this is the true state of nature. Happiness in comfort is not real happiness. When you can be happy in the midst of hardship, then you see the true potential of the mind.

-Huanchu Daoren

Some people may become overly reliant on the program and its people and meetings. This type of rigid participation enables people to avoid addressing the pain and issues that lie beneath the addiction. Surf now, apocalypse later.

-Beachside graffiti in California.

The master in the art of living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his information and his recreation, his love and his religion. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence at whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him he is always doing both.

-Zen Wisdom

Surfing expresses ... a pure yearning for visceral, physical contact with the natural world.

-Matt Warshaw

The feminine is more powerful than the masculine, the soft is more powerful than the hard, the water is more powerful than the rock.

-Osho

:lol:
Very nicely put.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Telarus on January 18, 2012, 02:13:23 AM
 :thanks:
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: Wolfgang Absolutus on February 09, 2012, 12:31:53 AM
So what you are saying is... Ayn Rand is superman.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: East Coast Hustle on February 14, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
You're working hard at proving the "people with Wolf in their username" maxim, aren't you? :lulz:
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: kingyak on February 14, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
I just started reading Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test, which examines the idea that it's the other way around (people with no emotions are more likely to attain power). Of course, it's a Jon Ronson book, so I'm guessing it'll mostly be wacky misadventures with occasional anecdotal interludes.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 09:35:54 PM
Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on February 14, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
You're working hard at proving the "people with Wolf in their username" maxim, aren't you? :lulz:

He's fucking tireless.
Title: Re: Power and Stupidity
Post by: minuspace on March 05, 2012, 08:19:36 AM
Quote from: kingyak on February 14, 2012, 09:26:50 PM
I just started reading Jon Ronson's The Psychopath Test, which examines the idea that it's the other way around (people with no emotions are more likely to attain power). Of course, it's a Jon Ronson book, so I'm guessing it'll mostly be wacky misadventures with occasional anecdotal interludes.
Generally disposable, either way?