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Principia Discordia => Techmology and Scientism => High Weirdness => Topic started by: Cain on October 25, 2011, 08:45:05 AM

Title: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cain on October 25, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
Especially not when 20 million of them escape

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15439754

QuoteA highway in the US state of Utah was temporary closed after a lorry carrying at least 20m bees overturned, freeing the insects.

The bees were being transported to California, ready to pollinate an almond crop next spring.

Interstate 15 was closed down for several hours while local beekeepers worked overnight to recapture the bees.

The trip was among the last of 160 truckloads of bees being sent south from Adee Honey Farms in South Dakota.

Authorities closed the southbound lanes of the highway, near the Arizona border, for several hours on Sunday night. The road reopened early on Monday morning, but officials have warned drivers to keep their windows closed.

"The driver lost control, hit the concrete barrier and rolled over," said Corporal Todd Johnson of the Utah Highway Patrol. "Of course, we then had bees everywhere."
'Complete loss'

Driver Louis Holst and his wife Tammie were dragged out of the overturned trailer by first responders, but were swarmed by the escape bees on the highway.

"We just started swinging our clothes," Mr Holst told the Associated Press news agency. "They stung her all up and down her neck."

Mr Holst said he was stung about a dozen times and suffered a gash on his forehead. His wife also was both stung and bruised.

Two police officers were also stung.

Richard Adee, owner of Adee Honey Farms, said this truckload, worth approximately $116,000 (£72,500) was "pretty much a complete loss".

Local beekeepers worked overnight to capture the bees, but on Monday most of the inhabitants of the 460 hives were gone or dead.

"We tried to move them [the bees] as far out of the metropolitan area as we could," beekeeper Melvin Taylor told the Reuters news agency. "Because when those bees come alive today, they are going to be mad that their house is all [broken] apart."

Earlier this summer, an estimated 14m bees escaped from an overturned truck on a Idaho highway.

Here's an idea: dont transport bees by truck! 
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Faust on October 25, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
I wonder... would it be possible to set up beehives in a truck, have them pollenate during the day, and at night while they are sleeping move on to another area.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Telarus on October 25, 2011, 11:27:19 AM
Quote from: Faust on October 25, 2011, 10:00:03 AM
I wonder... would it be possible to set up beehives in a truck, have them pollenate during the day, and at night while they are sleeping move on to another area.

This is pretty much general practice, but they do it for 2-3 days, and then hive the bees for a day before transporting them. Our mono-culture agriculture system in the US is HEAVILY dependent on "pollinators for hire".
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 25, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
Again?

No really, this has to be the second time this year that I've read about truckloads of bees losing their load. WTF is going on in those trucks? Are the bees rocking from side to side in tandem?
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 25, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
GODDAMN IT!!!! I NEED THOSE BEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 25, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
The trip was among the last of 160 truckloads of bees being sent south from Adee Honey Farms in South Dakota.

This makes perfect sense.

After all, if it was among the first, there's no way they'd be like "hey, let's do another 160 of those!".

Quote"The driver lost control, hit the concrete barrier and rolled over," said Corporal Todd Johnson of the Utah Highway Patrol.

"Of course, we then had bees everywhere."

Brilliant assessment of the situation, here.




Quote from: Cainad on October 25, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
Again?

No really, this has to be the second time this year that I've read about truckloads of bees losing their load. WTF is going on in those trucks? Are the bees rocking from side to side in tandem?

Seriously. I'm expecting Bruce Campbell to show up any moment now.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 02:50:16 PM
ARGGHHH WHAT THE FUCK, I NEED MY BEE FIX


I AM NOT GOING BACK TO WASPS
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 25, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
GODDAMN IT!!!! I NEED THOSE BEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh no you don't!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 25, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
Again?

No really, this has to be the second time this year that I've read about truckloads of bees losing their load. WTF is going on in those trucks? Are the bees rocking from side to side in tandem?

Seriously. I'm expecting Bruce Campbell to show up any moment now.

...

Nobody? Anybody?
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2011, 03:15:47 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 01:34:27 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 25, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
Again?

No really, this has to be the second time this year that I've read about truckloads of bees losing their load. WTF is going on in those trucks? Are the bees rocking from side to side in tandem?

Seriously. I'm expecting Bruce Campbell to show up any moment now.

...

Nobody? Anybody?

Sorry, I get it, B-movie :lmnuendo:

I was just more afraid of the idea of Coyote with even more bees.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 25, 2011, 03:17:11 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 03:07:48 PM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 25, 2011, 01:16:48 PM
GODDAMN IT!!!! I NEED THOSE BEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh no you don't!
I AM ABOUT TO LOSE BUSINESS TO THE WASP PEDELERS!!!!!!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Jasper on October 25, 2011, 05:21:59 PM
Quote from: Cain on October 25, 2011, 08:45:05 AM
Here's an idea: dont transport bees by truck! 

Cain, the Free Market demands it, and it doesn't care about "common sense" or your "stationery beehive" hogwash.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2011, 05:37:04 PM
This isn't just one truck a year, guys. I don't think you understand the /scale/ of the almond pollination timeframe.

You see, almonds are a very high cash crop. Very high. But also very difficult to pollinate. Generally it takes many bee visits to a single flower to get a pollen transfer. Bumble bees are much more effective at an individual flower, but they are harder to domesticate and the smaller numbers of bumble bee hives is outstripped by huge hives of honey bees. They're less efficient but numbers overwhelm.

So, the majority of almond production in the world is in southern California, and the bloom period takes place for just a few weeks in the spring. The almond producers want to milk those trees for everything they can produce. Since an unpollinated flower will not fruit, they need bees. Lots of bees.

Lets just put it this way. For a short period every year, 90% of all the honey bee hives in the country are sent to soucal for almond pollination. That is a LOT of bees. And the bees allow the almond growers to make a shitton of money. What other way would you suggest they transport these tens of thousands of hives to soucal? Plane? Ship? Truck is the cheapest, fastest and least dangerous transport method for large numbers of stinging insects. About once a year, one of these trucks gets in a wreck and releases the angry hives. That's just part of the risk these apiculturists take, because they get paid well for their bee loan.

So, it comes down to simple economics. Either the bee keepers from all over could keep their bees for that period, when nothing is in bloom in their farms and orchards, and have to care for them anyway;

or they could take a risk and ship the hives to SouCal almond orchards and make some money for their effort.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2011, 05:39:39 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 25, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
Again?

No really, this has to be the second time this year that I've read about truckloads of bees losing their load. WTF is going on in those trucks? Are the bees rocking from side to side in tandem?

:lulz: That was my exact reaction!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2011, 05:59:00 PM
I've had it with these motherfucking bees on this motherfucking plane!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline. When the blight first hit the feral population here, we had over a decade of poor fruit pollination, but then the formerly endangered (due to being outcompeted by honeybees) native bee species rebounded beautifully and we also saw the recovery of some native plant species that honeybees didn't do a good job of pollinating. We have whole fields full of miner bees now, and mason bees EVERYWHERE. They were both endangered species when I was a kid.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline.

:(

WELL AND I HOPE THE ORCKADIAN HONEYBEE DECLINES TO DEATH!!! :argh!:

SO THERE.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 25, 2011, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 25, 2011, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline.

:(

WELL AND I HOPE THE ORCKADIAN HONEYBEE DECLINES TO DEATH!!! :argh!:

SO THERE.


THE ORKNEYS ARE IN EUROPE!!!

Actually, I think European honeybees are fine, as long as they're in Europe. It's not that I want to give up honey or anything, but if it's a choice between that and losing our native pollinators, it seems like a fair trade.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Rumckle on October 25, 2011, 10:55:40 PM
How else is Oprah going to fuel her crazy plans?

(http://www.lesspopmorefizz.com/img/Bees.gif)


Though, I would have thought there'd be some safety measures as to not release millions of bees when a truck crashes
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 26, 2011, 11:55:20 AM
Like, millions of tiny shackles?
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Rumckle on October 26, 2011, 12:21:23 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of tiny amounts of explosives attached to proximity sensors on every bee
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 27, 2011, 03:55:38 AM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

The genetic diversity is mostly the fault of the breeders. There are plenty of subspecies of honey bee hanging around the old world. It's just that people select for a few characters they find beneficial for productivity and don't consider the genetic bottleneck occurring as a consequence. Most of the hives in the US have queens from a small number of queens.

I mean, hell man, they're domestic animals. Domestic animals with chitin, membranous wings, stingers and the perchance to swarm, but they're still domestic. Think of all the problems that livestock and crop farmers have to deal with; honey bees have the same sorts of problems. You bring in genetic diversity, that will solve some problems, but the productivity will go down because the behavior is almost completely genetic and trained by careful selection. It's a real issue.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 27, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline. When the blight first hit the feral population here, we had over a decade of poor fruit pollination, but then the formerly endangered (due to being outcompeted by honeybees) native bee species rebounded beautifully and we also saw the recovery of some native plant species that honeybees didn't do a good job of pollinating. We have whole fields full of miner bees now, and mason bees EVERYWHERE. They were both endangered species when I was a kid.

A major problem. Honey bees are generalists, they don't pollinate all that well, they don't /buzz/ very much (like bumble bees do) but their numbers overwhelm. I love the solitary bees, the ones you're talking about. I love that they're coming back now that honey bees are declining. And bumble bees. Bumble bee honey is supposed to be really good, too, they just don't make much of it.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 27, 2011, 05:04:29 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 27, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline. When the blight first hit the feral population here, we had over a decade of poor fruit pollination, but then the formerly endangered (due to being outcompeted by honeybees) native bee species rebounded beautifully and we also saw the recovery of some native plant species that honeybees didn't do a good job of pollinating. We have whole fields full of miner bees now, and mason bees EVERYWHERE. They were both endangered species when I was a kid.

A major problem. Honey bees are generalists, they don't pollinate all that well, they don't /buzz/ very much (like bumble bees do) but their numbers overwhelm. I love the solitary bees, the ones you're talking about. I love that they're coming back now that honey bees are declining. And bumble bees. Bumble bee honey is supposed to be really good, too, they just don't make much of it.

I would love to taste bumble bee honey! I wouldn't want to take away from their larvae though. I love those guys. We had a nest of them that lived in the birdhouse (!) on the big old fir tree, Harold, in my yard when I was a kid.

(Harold was a girl. I know fir trees are androgynous, but we all called Harold "she".)
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Reginald Ret on October 27, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 05:04:29 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 27, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline. When the blight first hit the feral population here, we had over a decade of poor fruit pollination, but then the formerly endangered (due to being outcompeted by honeybees) native bee species rebounded beautifully and we also saw the recovery of some native plant species that honeybees didn't do a good job of pollinating. We have whole fields full of miner bees now, and mason bees EVERYWHERE. They were both endangered species when I was a kid.

A major problem. Honey bees are generalists, they don't pollinate all that well, they don't /buzz/ very much (like bumble bees do) but their numbers overwhelm. I love the solitary bees, the ones you're talking about. I love that they're coming back now that honey bees are declining. And bumble bees. Bumble bee honey is supposed to be really good, too, they just don't make much of it.

I would love to taste bumble bee honey! I wouldn't want to take away from their larvae though. I love those guys. We had a nest of them that lived in the birdhouse (!) on the big old fir tree, Harold, in my yard when I was a kid.

(Harold was a girl. I know fir trees are androgynous, but we all called Harold "she".)
You had a tree named Harold?? (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold)
Did anybody who knew about that tree help program the Fallout games?
Because there's a ghoul named Harold in the fallout games that has a tree growing out of his brain, Named Bob (or Herbert if Harold feels like annoying Bob) That in Fallout 3 has grown into a whole forest, the only healthy forest in the entire series.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 27, 2011, 09:22:50 PM
Quote from: Regret on October 27, 2011, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 27, 2011, 05:04:29 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 27, 2011, 03:58:58 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 25, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 25, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 25, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Quote from: Cramulus on October 25, 2011, 05:45:37 PM
thanks for that explanation, Kai - makes a lot of sense

This is also a good time to point out that almond pollination may be one of the prime reasons for honey bee decline in North America. They have several parasites, viruses, low genetic diversity (most of the queens in North America come from a few breeding compounds),

And once a year the majority of hives are sent to SouCal where they are closely packed together in orchards.

Sounds like a recipe for disease and parasite disaster to me.

Ooh, never thought of that. Is there a way to increase genetic diversity? May be tricky with bees since they can do the parthenogenesis thing.

I kinda hope the European honeybees continue to decline. When the blight first hit the feral population here, we had over a decade of poor fruit pollination, but then the formerly endangered (due to being outcompeted by honeybees) native bee species rebounded beautifully and we also saw the recovery of some native plant species that honeybees didn't do a good job of pollinating. We have whole fields full of miner bees now, and mason bees EVERYWHERE. They were both endangered species when I was a kid.

A major problem. Honey bees are generalists, they don't pollinate all that well, they don't /buzz/ very much (like bumble bees do) but their numbers overwhelm. I love the solitary bees, the ones you're talking about. I love that they're coming back now that honey bees are declining. And bumble bees. Bumble bee honey is supposed to be really good, too, they just don't make much of it.

I would love to taste bumble bee honey! I wouldn't want to take away from their larvae though. I love those guys. We had a nest of them that lived in the birdhouse (!) on the big old fir tree, Harold, in my yard when I was a kid.

(Harold was a girl. I know fir trees are androgynous, but we all called Harold "she".)
You had a tree named Harold?? (http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Harold)
Did anybody who knew about that tree help program the Fallout games?
Because there's a ghoul named Harold in the fallout games that has a tree growing out of his brain, Named Bob (or Herbert if Harold feels like annoying Bob) That in Fallout 3 has grown into a whole forest, the only healthy forest in the entire series.

That's so cool! I never played Fallout.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 12:12:00 AM
It's a pretty cool post-apocalyptic RPG, from what I've heard. Though I never played it, I hear nothing but good about it.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2011, 01:16:59 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 12:12:00 AM
It's a pretty cool post-apocalyptic RPG, from what I've heard. Though I never played it, I hear nothing but good about it.

I think I'm going to get it; it's super-cheap on Amazon.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
Don't just go with my recommendation, though. I'm not a gamer at all :)

Afaik, the basic story is that the shit hit the fan and people went into their atomic bunkers and you go out to get water or something. But then shit's all fucked.

(Somebody who actually played this game: HELP)
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2011, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
Don't just go with my recommendation, though. I'm not a gamer at all :)

Afaik, the basic story is that the shit hit the fan and people went into their atomic bunkers and you go out to get water or something. But then shit's all fucked.

(Somebody who actually played this game: HELP)

I asked my 12-year-old son and he informed me that it is AWESOME

That's pretty much all the recommendation I need! Although, I've never finished playing a game in my entire life and I don't know what the odds are that I'll finish this one. On the other hand, it's only $14.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 28, 2011, 01:32:14 AM
I played through Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas.  I highly recommend the former, and while the latter was good I wasn't crazy about it.

I've heard good things about the first two as well, but never got around to either.  The third is pretty immersive - it's a large world that can be pretty empty and seems thoroughly forlorn and dangerous.  It has some very good geek references, some actually terrifying moments, and there's an awesome in-game DJ named

THREEE DAWWWGG AWWWOOOOOO!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 28, 2011, 01:32:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
Don't just go with my recommendation, though. I'm not a gamer at all :)

Afaik, the basic story is that the shit hit the fan and people went into their atomic bunkers and you go out to get water or something. But then shit's all fucked.

(Somebody who actually played this game: HELP)

I asked my 12-year-old son and he informed me that it is AWESOME

That's pretty much all the recommendation I need! Although, I've never finished playing a game in my entire life and I don't know what the odds are that I'll finish this one. On the other hand, it's only $14.

At one point you get a gavity hammer. Think superscienced sledgehammer that you get to hit people with.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Eater of Clowns on October 28, 2011, 01:33:44 AM
Oh, and it's very strange that Fallout came up in a discussion about bees.

The name of the company that puts it out?  Bethesda Softworks.  And in Fallout 3 you can visit their derelict building.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:57:43 AM
I am TOTALLY getting it!

I hope it runs OK in Windows 7; I read that it tends to hang. OTOH, I have a friend who is selling off her xbox 360.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cain on October 28, 2011, 08:26:10 AM
Bethseda made Fallout, didn't they?  And, well Bethseda also made The Elder Scrolls.  I would trust them based on that (basically, for me, any RPG made by Bethseda or Bioware seems worth buying on the reputational strength of the company in question alone).

Also, it should run just fine with Windows 7.  If it does not, find the .exe file that starts the game and run it as an administrator.  This never seems to fail with Windows 7, I've played games that came out in 1999 using the OS.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 28, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
Bethesda made Fallout 3, which is definitely very good. A different company made Fallout and Fallout 2 (which I've never played), but they are very different from the 3rd game, being turn-based RPGs with an isometric view.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Telarus on October 28, 2011, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Cainad on October 28, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
Bethesda made Fallout 3, which is definitely very good. A different company made Fallout and Fallout 2 (which I've never played), but they are very different from the 3rd game, being turn-based RPGs with an isometric view.

I would seriously recommend Fallout 2 for some of the best of the 2d isometric RPG genre. Plus, you get all of the background to get the references in Fallout 3.

It's a time burner, but fun with a clever combat system (which inspired Fallout 3's combat system).
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cramulus on October 28, 2011, 03:28:06 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 01:28:53 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:23:57 AM
Don't just go with my recommendation, though. I'm not a gamer at all :)

Afaik, the basic story is that the shit hit the fan and people went into their atomic bunkers and you go out to get water or something. But then shit's all fucked.

(Somebody who actually played this game: HELP)

I asked my 12-year-old son and he informed me that it is AWESOME

That's pretty much all the recommendation I need! Although, I've never finished playing a game in my entire life and I don't know what the odds are that I'll finish this one. On the other hand, it's only $14.

FALLOUT 3 RULES

don't worry about "finishing" it, it's a sandbox game. Just have fun playing in the environment.

When I last played fallout 3, I made John McCain as my character. I decided that my backstory was that after the 08 election, I was frozen in carbonite and did not wake up until now. So I played the game as if I'm rebuilding America from the ground up. I actually had a fuckton of fun wandering around asking myself "What would John McCain do?"

and the answer to that question was usually "drink whiskey and beat robots with a baseball bat"

Unbeknownst to me, a friend of mine played the entire game as Sarah Palin with a sniper rifle. It's possible to get really creative with fallout 3 and ignore the quests/plot.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Reginald Ret on October 28, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
Finding out what really is going on in the game-world was for me the greatest part of the Fallout games. So i'm not going to spoil it.

Mentioning Elder scrolls reminds me of this spell i created in ES: Oblivion huge area low fire damage over time for hunting deer, with added soultrap effect. It basically set every living thing in a 100ft radius on fire for a few seconds, and then steals the soul of every cute cuddly forest creature it killed.

And now i want to play both Fallout3 and Oblivion again :P
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Scribbly on October 28, 2011, 06:59:54 PM
Fallout 3 and New Vegas stole too many hours of my life.

And then I got a PC that could play them and they stole even more with an epic amount of awesome mods.

And now Skyrim is coming out and I have preordered that too.

:cry:
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cain on October 29, 2011, 12:32:44 AM
I'm refusing to put Skyrim on pre-order. 

Because, pretty much, that's all I want for Xmas, and I'm terrible when it comes to presents (people never know what to buy me, scotch aside).  I'm going to make it a little easier this year.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?

When you get the 360, that game is AWESOME!!!!!!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?

When you get the 360, that game is AWESOME!!!!!!

SA-WEEEET!
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Don Coyote on October 29, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?

When you get the 360, that game is AWESOME!!!!!!

SA-WEEEET!

The hero says such pithy lines as "filling my brain with more smartness?" and "Just as orcs and blend" and "It's like making orc salsa"
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?

When you get the 360, that game is AWESOME!!!!!!

SA-WEEEET!

The hero says such pithy lines as "filling my brain with more smartness?" and "Just as orcs and blend" and "It's like making orc salsa"

Oooh I am down with that shit! I really hope the xbox pans out, it would be rad (and give me something else to do at night besides pathetically clicking the refresh button on the forums).

Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 29, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 02:05:23 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 02:01:13 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:46:18 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 29, 2011, 12:17:24 AM
Quote from: Donald Coyote on October 29, 2011, 12:08:03 AM
Quote from: Nigel on October 28, 2011, 04:33:51 PM
All of this is great info... thank you! Also I might be buying my friend's Xbox 360, which would rule. I have Elder Scrolls V on pre-order for my son's birthday.

Orcs Must Die! (http://www.robotentertainment.com/games/orcsmustdie)


O RLY?

When you get the 360, that game is AWESOME!!!!!!

SA-WEEEET!

The hero says such pithy lines as "filling my brain with more smartness?" and "Just as orcs and blend" and "It's like making orc salsa"

Oooh I am down with that shit! I really hope the xbox pans out, it would be rad (and give me something else to do at night besides pathetically clicking the refresh button on the forums).

I haven't been playing many games lately, but another great thing that I regularly use my XBox for is playing video files. You can put 'em on a flash disk and then play your grainy-ass video clips that you pirated/ripped of of YouTube on a bigger screen! It's seriously the greatest thing.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Triple Zero on October 29, 2011, 05:33:39 PM
... but you can also just hook a VGA or HDMI cable from your laptop into your TV, right?

That's how I watch my downloaded movies etc.

Except when I'm alone usually I just put on earphones and watch it on my netbookie, cause I'm lazy.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 30, 2011, 01:52:36 AM
It's interesting how this thread went from a truckfull of bees to video games.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2011, 02:32:43 AM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 30, 2011, 01:52:36 AM
It's interesting how this thread went from a truckfull of bees to video games.

BASICALLY THE SAME THING, AMIRITE?
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cainad (dec.) on October 30, 2011, 05:02:50 AM
Quote from: Triple Zero on October 29, 2011, 05:33:39 PM
... but you can also just hook a VGA or HDMI cable from your laptop into your TV, right?

That's how I watch my downloaded movies etc.

Except when I'm alone usually I just put on earphones and watch it on my netbookie, cause I'm lazy.

Yeah but you can't play video games on an hdmi cable
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Salty on October 30, 2011, 07:26:27 AM
I would like to interrupt this intense nerdery by saying that I am irrationally terrified of bees and allergic to almonds (which pisses me off because almonds are MOTHERFUCKING DELICIOUS) and this article make me shit my pance with both fear and rage. And allergies.

Nerds.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞ on October 30, 2011, 09:46:17 AM
Quote from: Alty on October 30, 2011, 07:26:27 AM
I would like to interrupt this intense nerdery by saying that I am irrationally terrified of bees and allergic to almonds (which pisses me off because almonds are MOTHERFUCKING DELICIOUS) and this article make me shit my pance with both fear and rage. And allergies.

Nerds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on October 30, 2011, 05:10:47 PM
Quote from: Alty on October 30, 2011, 07:26:27 AM
I would like to interrupt this intense nerdery by saying that I am irrationally terrified of bees and allergic to almonds (which pisses me off because almonds are MOTHERFUCKING DELICIOUS) and this article make me shit my pance with both fear and rage. And allergies.

Nerds.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Nephew Twiddleton on October 30, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
Can bees even survive in alaska? Also right with you there. Extremely melissaphobic.
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Cain on October 30, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EverythingsWorseWithBees?from=Main.ptitle7lfbn5vy
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Kai on October 31, 2011, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 30, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
Can bees even survive in alaska? Also right with you there. Extremely melissaphobic.

http://www.alaskabees.com/
Title: Re: A truck full of bees sounds perfectly reasonable and not at all insane
Post by: Salty on October 31, 2011, 09:02:22 PM
Quote from: 'Kai' ZLB, M.S. on October 31, 2011, 03:31:40 PM
Quote from: Nph. Twid. on October 30, 2011, 05:23:32 PM
Can bees even survive in alaska? Also right with you there. Extremely melissaphobic.

http://www.alaskabees.com/

T'aint natchrle.
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