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I recently watched a documentary called "Hypernormalization"... coming off of that, I'd say that "right and left" in any real sense of the word seems to have been replaced with two fake positions, both of which are looking to manage the stability of the system, rather than truly improve anything. On the "left" the management is attempting to normalize as much as possible so that subgroups don't become so disenfranchised that they flip out and revolt. On the "right" the management is attempting to keep everything in stasis.

The documentary was pretty depressing since it focused on the idea that all politics starting in the late 70's basically gave up trying to make the world a better place. 

American turn it's back on the future when they threw Carter out in favor of Reagan.

What's hilarious, though is that both sides think their representatives aren't crazy enough.

The documentary really focused on Kissenger as being the main architect of the change... it does a nice job of cause/effect tying Kissenger's treatment of Asad in Syria leading to the creation of suicide bombers, Hezbollah, the messes with Lybia, the Iraq War, the foreign fighters in Iraq after the war, Putin, Trump and a "reality" where no one is sure what is and isn't true. I'm sure the documentary is biased itself, but it was a pretty wild ride through the past 40 years.

They have been doing this since the council of Nicaea in 325. To a greater or lesser extent.

It really annoys the fundies when you argue that their "word of god" is a party political broadcast. Take those Jehovah's Witness nutters, the original text was along the lines of not CONSUMING blood.

Need to find the citation, but I remember reading that there was an uproar over the King James text when it first came out, the papists clicked that the text had been changed to a subtle support for king over church.

The Watchtower Society are some crazy fuckers. I'd like to see if there's any buzz from them on this, but don't care to dig into their shit to find out.

As for the KJV drawing criticism... not surprising. I always thought that raising one particular translation to the status of "Infallible Word Of God" was pretty much idolatry. But folks disagreed with fire back then.

JW's have their own bible, the New Word Translation. To their minds, it is by far the most accurate translation. Granted, the guys that did the translation had no formal training in Hebrew or Greek and there are some seriously questionable translations that seem to be more about confirming their doctrine than having an exact translation. For example, John 1:1 is generally translated to something like "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Now, JW"s claim the Word is Jesus, and that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God. So in the NWT they translated John 1:1 as "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was a God." They claim that the Greek includes "an indefinate article a"... but of course every Greek scholar in existence seems to think this is nutty as Jif (or Jiffy) peanut butter. They also translated the scriptures to include "Jehovah" all over the place, where most translations have GOD or LORD (all caps).

It was my understanding that a lot of the "LORD"s were indedd a standin for "Jehovah"/"Yahweh"

Yeah, it was used in place of the Tetragrammaton. The reasoning in the JW translation, though, is less about accuracy and more about justification for their name. Isa. 43:10 seems a lot more impressive when it reads "You are my witnesses, is the utterance of Jehovah", instead of "You are my witnesses, is the utterance of the LORD"

I recently watched a documentary called "Hypernormalization"... coming off of that, I'd say that "right and left" in any real sense of the word seems to have been replaced with two fake positions, both of which are looking to manage the stability of the system, rather than truly improve anything. On the "left" the management is attempting to normalize as much as possible so that subgroups don't become so disenfranchised that they flip out and revolt. On the "right" the management is attempting to keep everything in stasis.

The documentary was pretty depressing since it focused on the idea that all politics starting in the late 70's basically gave up trying to make the world a better place. 

They have been doing this since the council of Nicaea in 325. To a greater or lesser extent.

It really annoys the fundies when you argue that their "word of god" is a party political broadcast. Take those Jehovah's Witness nutters, the original text was along the lines of not CONSUMING blood.

Need to find the citation, but I remember reading that there was an uproar over the King James text when it first came out, the papists clicked that the text had been changed to a subtle support for king over church.

The Watchtower Society are some crazy fuckers. I'd like to see if there's any buzz from them on this, but don't care to dig into their shit to find out.

As for the KJV drawing criticism... not surprising. I always thought that raising one particular translation to the status of "Infallible Word Of God" was pretty much idolatry. But folks disagreed with fire back then.

JW's have their own bible, the New Word Translation. To their minds, it is by far the most accurate translation. Granted, the guys that did the translation had no formal training in Hebrew or Greek and there are some seriously questionable translations that seem to be more about confirming their doctrine than having an exact translation. For example, John 1:1 is generally translated to something like "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Now, JW"s claim the Word is Jesus, and that Jesus is the Son of God, but not God. So in the NWT they translated John 1:1 as "In the beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God and the Word was a God." They claim that the Greek includes "an indefinate article a"... but of course every Greek scholar in existence seems to think this is nutty as Jif (or Jiffy) peanut butter. They also translated the scriptures to include "Jehovah" all over the place, where most translations have GOD or LORD (all caps).

The scripture from Isiah, about the Wolf and Lamb is believed by JW's, as literal. Their belief is that in Eden, all God's living creatures were basically vegan until the Flood. After the flood, veggies weren't as awesome as they were before, so God told Noah humans had to start eating animals (but not the blood). They believe that after Armageddon, humans and animals will return to being vegans.

I'm guessing that means sharks are gonna live on seaweed or something...

Happy to headshot any kind of zombie, if and when. Just gimme the nod 

IF they're pot zombies wouldn't that be "headshop"?

[In the Book of Revelation for instance it has the personification of famine giving out food essentially for free.]

I don't know if this qualifies (probably not), but I remember as a kid in the late 80s/early 90s playing these "choose your own adventure" games via telephone hotlines. I was curious one day and decided to look them up online, but they're not mentioned anywhere I can find them (or my google-fu is poor) except on one forum post somewhere with no replies. Maybe the Time Lords cancelled their existence.

I've had things where I've tried to remember their names or look them up but was unable to find them for years (and I then I suddenly found most of them over the course of the previous year. For those curious these included the movie "Soulkeeper", the cartoon "The Halloween Tree", the book "The Summer I Shrunk My Grandmother", and the published D&D encounter "The Shrine of Gath-Mal)

Now as for the bible you also have to keep in mind that there's at least twenty-something translations, take a look:

http://biblehub.com/ecclesiastes/1-2.htm

Also the King James version while famous is in many places a very poor translation. In the Book of Revelation for instance it has the personification of famine giving out food essentially for free.

While I agree the KJV is shit translation, I'm pretty sure this isn't actually in it.

http://biblehub.com/revelation/6-6.htm

compare:

New International Version:
Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "Two pounds of wheat for a day's wages, and six pounds of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Berean Litetal Bible
And I heard something like a voice in the midst of the four living creatures, saying, "A choenix of wheat for a denarius, and three choenixes of barley for a denarius; and you should not injure the oil and the wine."

New Living Translation
And I heard a voice from among the four living beings say, "A loaf of wheat bread or three loaves of barley will cost a day's pay. And don't waste the olive oil and wine."

King James
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, 'A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.'

Now, I checked, and I'm pretty sure the British penny is as worthless as the American penny (can one of you brits verify?) and also I did a google search and apparently some of the really miserable third world sweatshop workers get as little as one cent an hour, so if we're really generous the King James Bible is off by a factor of ten

That scripture is actually saying it will be terribly expensive for basic things like bread, and stuff like wine and olive oil will be absurdly expensive. Bread, olive oil and wine were the staples of the day.

I saw a report he's working on a Trade War, which was opposed by almost all of his cabinet. It's probably FAKE NEWS though, since everyone in the cabinet is so honored and grateful to have the opportunity to to work for him. 

 

You'll all be laughing out the other side of your mouth when the Pot Zombies take over America...

Actually, now that I think about it, Pot Zombies would probably be a major improvement at this point.

My worldview is 100% based on forgeries.

Because I cannot observe the entire world simultaneously, my "view" of it is necessarily constructed of facsimiles and impressions that exist only in my mind, and are largely informed by images and narratives that have been presented to me.

Cainad,
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My worldview is based on watching monkeys drive a planet around the sun.  Badly.

This is why I hate humans.

This visual broke my head... I've really missed you. 

Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,

I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.

Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.

29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols

You never exit chapel perilous, amirite??

Eventually... but you gotta burn the place to the ground first. 

Hi PlightOfFernandoPoo,

I totally get where you're coming from.. a couple years into RAW and Crowley and you reach a headspace where you are free. You have broken the bonds of old programs and either applied a few bugfixes or even new apps to the old wetware. "Thou Art God", "Do As Thou Will" and "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" are the Firewalls and Intrusion Detection Systems. protecting your new freedom.

Its good to get there. Hell, I think its necessary for some people (It was for me). However, little Psychonaut, the trip isn't over, you're not anywhere near the end of the ride yet. Making any assumptions, claims or conclusions at this point (or at any point) will probably cause embarrassment later.

29.Learn What You Will Is The Whole of The LOL, Lulz in the LOL!
30.Yet, the LOL has no TRUTH, except that it be LOLful.
31.Which is truth enough for those who are Wise in Some Ways.
32. Pun in the LOL, LOL under Wit.
- Liber AL Vel Lols

me me me me?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Discordia is or will ever be ready to TOPPLE THE MACHINE™, but you can at LEAST stick a crowbar in the gears here and there, can't you?

If not a crowbar, then at least a vibrating dildo!

 

Awesome piece TGRR!

I wandered around heavily in the past for awhile, back when it was new to me. Once I got through it though, I didn't see a need to get stuck in it. I still find some of the things I learned from looking at the past useful... but not in a way that should anchor us there.

As for the topic of determinism vs free will... I think the entire question is patently absurd. We can't yet put together a theory that unifies macro and quantum physics... how the hell can we even begin to make statements about macro and quantum behavior?

Also, fuck the whole obsession with "Discordian history" I mean WTF who cares? Oooo somebody once shook hands with Bob!

Thing is, Discordianism isn't about yesterday.

That's right. But we all stand on the shoulders of the madmen who came before.