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Principia Discordia => Or Kill Me => Topic started by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:05:52 pm

Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:05:52 pm
To arms! To arms!  A cry is raised.  A hue soon follows, and many are caught up in its wake.  The wave crashes over the temporal landscape, as the washed masses throw wrenches into everything they find.

Crash!  Crash!  sound the gears of society.  The cogs pause, hem, haw, and move on.  The meters are fixed, the tire is patched, and the tear in the social stocking is patched with nail polish.  Frustrated the masses slump, moan, and mutter, for what they see around them has not change it has adapted, it has overwhelmed, overcome.  The gray existence bleaches out the color of those who leave their hands in too long, searching for the lynchpin, the lever that pulls it apart.

Hold!  Hold!  For like the synchroweb that  binds the cosmos into an Erisian orgy of energy, the social fishing net which catches the souls of the unwary has no middle.  There is nothing to pull, there is nothing to burn.  Its very intangibility is the briar rabbit that lures rebels into its midst, down a cul-de-sac, and then bores them into submission with taxes and political speeches.

Go back!  Go back!  Heed the call of your mind!  What is in front of you is not in front of youit is inside you.  The grey wash that seals your eyes like a cataract comes from within!  The Man that holds you down and forces you to submit is your own Monkey of Mediocrity.  The prison has no door, because it has no walls, because it does not exist!  The sun is out, the moon is brilliant, the trees call to you from the plains.  You do not hear, for your ears are filled with the burning of your Will, a Will that runs hot but has no vent.  You consume, but you do not turn.  You spin, but you do not spiral.  You burn, but you do not bleed.

Rise up!  Rise up!  and step sideways into the antechamber.  The mirrors are different here, and your choice is now.  The bland, the ordinary, is only as far away as your next thought, and the prisms beckon you from just behind your eyes.  You fight others, thinking them to be oppressors, but we are you, and you are us, and you only fight your conceptions of us, as we you.  But the self-destructive is ultimately self-defeating, as we cannot win in a battle with ourselves.  

Create!  Create!  We think ourselves to be creative, yet we destroy in the name of freedom more often that we admit.  The non-prophet said that Destruction is not the same as Chaos; we remember that Chaos is All, anything else are subjective rationalizations made in an attempt to function.  And if All is Chaos, then the first distinction is that of creation and destruction.  Move towards the completion of the Great Work, sidestepping the petty 4D squabbles surrounding you.

To Bliss!  To Bliss!  St Campbell had it right.  When one is capable of choosing ones life, that includes the maps s/he uses.  It is not hiding to refuse the hold the Grey world attempts to impose.  It is not escapism to steal the powers of guilt an obligation back from the overlords.  Because You are the only Overlord.

Free Your Mind, and Your Ass Will Follow.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:07:18 pm
Quote from: LMNO
unding you.

To Bliss!  To Bliss!  St Campbell had it right.  When one is capable of choosing ones life, that includes the maps s/he uses.  It is not hiding to refuse the hold the Grey world attempts to impose.  It is not escapism to steal the powers of guilt an obligation back from the overlords.  Because You are the only Overlord.



I refute it thus:

OTTAWA (CP) - The United States will decide when to fire missiles over Canadian airspace whether Canada likes it or not, says America's ambassador.

The blunt warning from Paul Cellucci came minutes after Prime Minister Paul Martin announced Thursday that he will not sign on to the controversial U.S. missile defence program. "We will deploy. We will defend North America," Cellucci said.

"We simply cannot understand why Canada would, in effect, give up its sovereignty - its seat at the table - to decide what to do about a missile that might be coming toward Canada."

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2005/02/24/941137-cp.html
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:13:09 pm
Such an event affects me little.  It affects the world little.  Small men, making power plays, trying to convince the world of their might.  Pens, paper, words; what power have words, if you have found your Bliss?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:14:38 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Such an event affects me little.  It affects the world little.  Small men, making power plays, trying to convince the world of their might.  Pens, paper, words; what power have words, if you have found your Bliss?


Well, okay.  But they have the guns, and they have shown that they are not bothered in the least by using them.

It's hard to be enlightened, when you're dead.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:20:02 pm
Who is attacking you?

Who is threatening you?  How?  Intimidation? Threats? From where comes the power of intimidation?  Be it not from inside?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 06:25:12 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Who is attacking you?

Who is threatening you?  How?  Intimidation? Threats? From where comes the power of intimidation?  Be it not from inside?


No, it comes from people putting a gun against your head.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:31:37 pm
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:32:39 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.


Well, of course.  It's all about ME.

As long as *I* don't get hurt, nothing else matters.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 06:34:27 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.


I got threatened with an ASBO and prison would follow from that.  Worse than a gun, I think.  And I wouldnt take it seriously if the State didnt have the power to back it up.  And that power essentially comes down to violence.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:35:20 pm
Quote from: Kensei
Quote from: LMNO
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.


I got threatened with an ASBO and prison would follow from that.  Worse than a gun, I think.  And I wouldnt take it seriously if the State didnt have the power to back it up.  And that power essentially comes down to violence.


I have a lot of fun getting on airplanes, it turns out.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 06:37:14 pm
ASBOs are good fun.  Police issue them without recourse to the courts, putting whatever restrictions they like on your movements.  And if you break it, then it a very serious crime.  Far worse than all these muggings and burgalries lately.

What did you do to get on the list?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:39:56 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.


Well, of course.  It's all about ME.

As long as *I* don't get hurt, nothing else matters.


You read, but jump away from the truth.

The "refutation" you have posited is an announcement, a power grab, a shift of temporal reality.  No one has died because of this.  Your fear of the words our government uses cowers you, makes you want to strike helplessly at the system, a system that will envelop and smother your paltry rebellion, like a dog on a chain that continues to leap, even as it is being choked.

It entices you to strike, then will use your violence as proof that they were right, all along.  Unlock your mind, my friend.  You are scaring yourself to death.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:43:53 pm
Quote from: Kensei
ASBOs are good fun.  Police issue them without recourse to the courts, putting whatever restrictions they like on your movements.  And if you break it, then it a very serious crime.  Far worse than all these muggings and burgalries lately.

What did you do to get on the list?


I think my letter to Bush that started "Dear Pigfucker" pushed me over the top, though, to be honest, I'm not really sure.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:45:14 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.


Well, of course.  It's all about ME.

As long as *I* don't get hurt, nothing else matters.


You read, but jump away from the truth.

The "refutation" you have posited is an announcement, a power grab, a shift of temporal reality.  No one has died because of this.  Your fear of the words our government uses cowers you, makes you want to strike helplessly at the system, a system that will envelop and smother your paltry rebellion, like a dog on a chain that continues to leap, even as it is being choked.

It entices you to strike, then will use your violence as proof that they were right, all along.  Unlock your mind, my friend.  You are scaring yourself to death.


Actually, no, I'm just getting really, really pissed off.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:46:53 pm
Indeed.  What was done to put you on such a list?  Striking out blindly aginst the system, perhaps?

Youu both seem like the kind of people who would punch a cop to display your contempt, and then complain when they arrest you.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 06:47:05 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Kensei
ASBOs are good fun.  Police issue them without recourse to the courts, putting whatever restrictions they like on your movements.  And if you break it, then it a very serious crime.  Far worse than all these muggings and burgalries lately.

What did you do to get on the list?


I think my letter to Bush that started "Dear Pigfucker" pushed me over the top, though, to be honest, I'm not really sure.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'm not sure its a good or bad thing you dont know exactly what got you onto it.  I'll go with good for now.... :twisted:
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:48:39 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Indeed.  What was done to put you on such a list?  Striking out blindly aginst the system, perhaps?

Youu both seem like the kind of people who would punch a cop to display your contempt, and then complain when they arrest you.


Then you don't know me that well.

And what of you?  Are you the kind who TELLS himself he's free, but won't take any actual steps to TAKE that freedom?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:49:42 pm
Quote from: Kensei
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: Kensei
ASBOs are good fun.  Police issue them without recourse to the courts, putting whatever restrictions they like on your movements.  And if you break it, then it a very serious crime.  Far worse than all these muggings and burgalries lately.

What did you do to get on the list?


I think my letter to Bush that started "Dear Pigfucker" pushed me over the top, though, to be honest, I'm not really sure.


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I'm not sure its a good or bad thing you dont know exactly what got you onto it.  I'll go with good for now.... :twisted:


It might also have been the non-stop jakery of Dennis Hastert's office...
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 06:52:39 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Indeed.  What was done to put you on such a list?  Striking out blindly aginst the system, perhaps?

Youu both seem like the kind of people who would punch a cop to display your contempt, and then complain when they arrest you.


Then you don't know me that well.

And what of you?  Are you the kind who TELLS himself he's free, but won't take any actual steps to TAKE that freedom?


Are there things I strive for?

Yes.

Are there obstacles in my path?

Yes.

Do I overcome my obstacles?

Yes.

Are the obstacles in my own head?

Yes.

Do I feel compassion for the world?

Yes.

Do I work to bring Bliss into the world?

Yes.

Do I have Bliss?

Occasionaly.

How can you say I am not free, you who fears words?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 06:55:10 pm
Just checked him out via Google, good target.  

And LMNO, the State has real power.  It has thousands of men and women under arms. It has its own police force, holding sytems (jails), justifying departments (courts) and propaganda (the "free" press, as bought by Murdoch).  While I or you may not have bought it, most people have.  And unless you can dissolve all those by convincing those inside the named institutions above (and many more), the state still has a capacity for lethal threat deterrence.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 06:56:07 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: LMNO
Indeed.  What was done to put you on such a list?  Striking out blindly aginst the system, perhaps?

Youu both seem like the kind of people who would punch a cop to display your contempt, and then complain when they arrest you.


Then you don't know me that well.

And what of you?  Are you the kind who TELLS himself he's free, but won't take any actual steps to TAKE that freedom?


Are there things I strive for?

Yes.

Are there obstacles in my path?

Yes.

Do I overcome my obstacles?

Yes.

Are the obstacles in my own head?

Yes.

Do I feel compassion for the world?

Yes.

Do I work to bring Bliss into the world?

Yes.

Do I have Bliss?

Occasionaly.

How can you say I am not free, you who fears words?


What part of "the guns behind the words" are you not quite comprehending?

TGRR,
Is pretty sure you've never been hit with a nightstick.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 07:01:34 pm
The state has the power we give it, and it takes the power we use in direct confrontation, and turns it back upon ourselves.

Hit with a nightstick?  No.  I have never foolish enough put myself in a position where my final purposes might be compromised.  And yet, I still spread Bliss, and I still further the Great Work, and I still help others to free themselves, and I am still not limited in my desires.


LMNO
-Works towards freedom, not violence (and is not a masochist).
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 07:04:05 pm
Quote from: LMNO
The state has the power we give it, and it takes the power we use in direct confrontation, and turns it back upon ourselves.

Hit with a nightstick?  No.  I have never foolish enough put myself in a position where my final purposes might be compromised.  And yet, I still spread Bliss, and I still further the Great Work, and I still help others to free themselves, and I am still not limited in my desires.


LMNO
-Works towards freedom, not violence (and is not a masochist).


1.  Well, it USED to be that way.  However, the power the state controls now outstrips the power of the people to strip the state of its power.  Or words to that effect.

2.  You've been missing out.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on February 25, 2005, 07:04:54 pm
Ye spower comes from a gun.

hell the dali lamma knows it... it's pretty much a given.

but the pwower only comes over the masses when it is fear of the gun not the gun itself.

what we need to do is teach people how to stop worrying and come to love the bomb.

If they bomb me for what I do then I will bomb them back. do not forget this... it is important.

the bomb the glorious bomb.

but in all honesty... the bombs not going to have an effect on most of us.

and we need to start teaching people that the bomb doesn't have an effect on them.

I knew a man that told me" don't be afraid of the bomb. it can do one of two things kill you or scar you for life but it can't put ideas into your head, it can't change the way you think unless you permit it to do so." he then hobbled away useing his cane due to the damage that a bomb did  to his leg no doubt thinking of the man that was walking with him to the mess on that fateful day.

Kill you or scar you for life. thats all that a bomb can do take your life or scar you till your life ends... after all thats what happens to us... we die.

In the mean time... we live... and the quality of that life is directly tied to our attitude about life. Do not live in fear of the bomb... teach others not  to live in fear of the bomb... and yes I do realize that may mean that bombs may get used more.

adn you know... it may be me one day... walking through the streets forgetting that I live in a cold and uncaring universe merely because the sun is out and there is a cool breeze on my face the birds chirping... to hear that sound and try to react.

grabbing my daughter up in my arms ... running reunning... where to wher to.. trip fall roll my daughter fklying out of my hands,, also rolling I scramble reaching when....

do i let the rage fill me who do I go after... do I enlist into the military to get back at those bastards... Do I allow myself to become paralized with fear and inaction...do I become obsessed with bombs and become some kind of serial bomber to show everyone what happened to me spreading the pain even further.

No I tell a few people that I think will understand " don't be afraid of the bomb. it can do one of two things kill you or scar you for life but it can't put ideas into your head, it can't change the way you think unless you permit it to do so." and then i hobbnle off to the kitchen using a cain because of the bomb that damaged no doubt thinking of my daughter who was walking with me to the restaurant that fateful day.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 07:08:17 pm
Quote from: ChaosGraves:AgentOfEris

what we need to do is teach people how to stop worrying and come to love the bomb.



Too late.  The CoN already taught them to stop worrying and love reality TV.

We lose.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 07:10:39 pm
::bows to CG::
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Cain on February 25, 2005, 07:20:11 pm
Why is there this assumption it is the not-ELF-bcause-it-doesn't-exist way and  the violent way only?  Violence is another tool in the arsenal, just like mindfucks and all the other bizzare activities I find myself doing at 3am of a Tuesday morning.  

And I dont fear the bomb, I respect it for the power it does have.  It may only be able to kill me, but of what use am I dead?  Didnt Hugh once say Eris doesnt want martyrs, but for us to use our brains?  If we deny the very real power of the state, then we are setting ourselves up just for that.  I'd rather live for my cause, and I would rather try to further it while not booked into Belmarsh prison, courtesy of the Home Secretary.  However, saying that the only power he has because the people let him have it is nonsense.  He has it because over 40,000 policemen and women will obey him, and they have batons, pepper spray and guns on their side.  And unless you can "liberate" every single one of them then I am just as fucked as when I believed they did have power.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 07:21:25 pm
Quote from: Kensei
Why is there this assumption it is the not-ELF-bcause-it-doesn't-exist way and  the violent way only?  Violence is another tool in the arsenal, just like mindfucks and all the other bizzare activities I find myself doing at 3am of a Tuesday morning.  

And I dont fear the bomb, I respect it for the power it does have.  It may only be able to kill me, but of what use am I dead?  Didnt Hugh once say Eris doesnt want martyrs, but for us to use our brains?  If we deny the very real power of the state, then we are setting ourselves up just for that.  I'd rather live for my cause, and I would rather try to further it while not booked into Belmarsh prison, courtesy of the Home Secretary.  However, saying that the only power he has because the people let him have it is nonsense.  He has it because over 40,000 policemen and women will obey him, and they have batons, pepper spray and guns on their side.  And unless you can "liberate" every single one of them then I am just as fucked as when I believed they did have power.


Well said.

Violence is but one tool...even the state recognizes this.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 07:26:15 pm
There are a myriad of options... But as the non-holy book says, when one side is pushed, the other side pushes back equally.  The (falsely called) LDD has been pushing for violent revolution for quite some time now, and The (Untrue in name and deed) ELF felt opposition was in order.

If someone would care to propse a third, fourth, and fifth path, let them do so.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 07:32:10 pm
Quote from: LMNO
There are a myriad of options... But as the non-holy book says, when one side is pushed, the other side pushes back equally.  The (falsely called) LDD has been pushing for violent revolution for quite some time now, and The (Untrue in name and deed) ELF felt opposition was in order.

If someone would care to propse a third, fourth, and fifth path, let them do so.


The path of least resistance.

The path of cheap yuks while Rome burns.

The path of Slack.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 07:41:37 pm
Is this your path?

You, who preaches acting in this moment, in this world, with those hands, against that system?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on February 25, 2005, 08:49:15 pm
Quote from: LMNO
Is this your path?

You, who preaches acting in this moment, in this world, with those hands, against that system?


Sure.  Get your yuks in, but don't really expect that you''l harm the CoN.

Clarifying rant will follow, today or tomorrow.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 25, 2005, 08:51:49 pm
Appreciated.




LMNO
-Gone drinkin 'till Monday.
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on February 25, 2005, 10:19:58 pm
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Quote from: ChaosGraves:AgentOfEris

what we need to do is teach people how to stop worrying and come to love the bomb.



Too late.  The CoN already taught them to stop worrying and love reality TV.

We lose.
damnit....

reality tv?!?!?


fuck.


can we get "THEM" to bomb the cable companies?
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: gnimbley on February 25, 2005, 10:23:17 pm
Quote from: ChaosGraves:AgentOfEris
Ye spower comes from a gun.

hell the dali lamma knows it... it's pretty much a given.

but the pwower only comes over the masses when it is fear of the gun not the gun itself.

what we need to do is teach people how to stop worrying and come to love the bomb.

If they bomb me for what I do then I will bomb them back. do not forget this... it is important.

the bomb the glorious bomb.

but in all honesty... the bombs not going to have an effect on most of us.

and we need to start teaching people that the bomb doesn't have an effect on them.

I knew a man that told me" don't be afraid of the bomb. it can do one of two things kill you or scar you for life but it can't put ideas into your head, it can't change the way you think unless you permit it to do so." he then hobbled away useing his cane due to the damage that a bomb did  to his leg no doubt thinking of the man that was walking with him to the mess on that fateful day.

Kill you or scar you for life. thats all that a bomb can do take your life or scar you till your life ends... after all thats what happens to us... we die.

In the mean time... we live... and the quality of that life is directly tied to our attitude about life. Do not live in fear of the bomb... teach others not  to live in fear of the bomb... and yes I do realize that may mean that bombs may get used more.

adn you know... it may be me one day... walking through the streets forgetting that I live in a cold and uncaring universe merely because the sun is out and there is a cool breeze on my face the birds chirping... to hear that sound and try to react.

grabbing my daughter up in my arms ... running reunning... where to wher to.. trip fall roll my daughter fklying out of my hands,, also rolling I scramble reaching when....

do i let the rage fill me who do I go after... do I enlist into the military to get back at those bastards... Do I allow myself to become paralized with fear and inaction...do I become obsessed with bombs and become some kind of serial bomber to show everyone what happened to me spreading the pain even further.

No I tell a few people that I think will understand " don't be afraid of the bomb. it can do one of two things kill you or scar you for life but it can't put ideas into your head, it can't change the way you think unless you permit it to do so." and then i hobbnle off to the kitchen using a cain because of the bomb that damaged no doubt thinking of my daughter who was walking with me to the restaurant that fateful day.


::dances to CG's flute::
Title: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: chaosgraves:agentoferis on February 25, 2005, 10:29:43 pm
Quote from: Kensei
Why is there this assumption it is the not-ELF-bcause-it-doesn't-exist way and  the violent way only?  Violence is another tool in the arsenal, just like mindfucks and all the other bizzare activities I find myself doing at 3am of a Tuesday morning.  

And I dont fear the bomb, I respect it for the power it does have.  It may only be able to kill me, but of what use am I dead?  Didnt Hugh once say Eris doesnt want martyrs, but for us to use our brains?  If we deny the very real power of the state, then we are setting ourselves up just for that.  I'd rather live for my cause, and I would rather try to further it while not booked into Belmarsh prison, courtesy of the Home Secretary.  However, saying that the only power he has because the people let him have it is nonsense.  He has it because over 40,000 policemen and women will obey him, and they have batons, pepper spray and guns on their side.  And unless you can "liberate" every single one of them then I am just as fucked as when I believed they did have power.
here here... act not from fear...
 ghandi got people to line up and get hit in the head one by one over and over agin... put some cartoon music and it views like a very very andy warhollesque version of the three stooges.

do not fear the bomb... yes we may be shoot use your mind... if there are more of us there less likely it will be for anyone of us will be shot... but the higher the chance that shooting will occur... unless it's televised...

what i suggest is a 23 month reality television deprogram... and because we have a shoestring budget we ... take our program to the news... fi you hear of any protest... ANY... we go with signs and t shirts that say "I <3 The bomb" we put text on the back quick and simple with quotes from dr. strangelove...It will be a riot. If you can get peole to hold the signs and wear the shirts at concerts and waiting for star wars or that 42 movie...

anywhere that cameras may show up ... home shows... put copies on the walls...

I *heart* the bomb.


And according to schwa the heart generates strong attachment to a slogon.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 04, 2016, 10:29:18 pm
To arms! To arms!  A cry is raised.  A hue soon follows, and many are caught up in its wake.  The wave crashes over the temporal landscape, as the washed masses throw wrenches into everything they find.

Crash!  Crash!  sound the gears of society.  The cogs pause, hem, haw, and move on.  The meters are fixed, the tire is patched, and the tear in the social stocking is patched with nail polish.  Frustrated the masses slump, moan, and mutter, for what they see around them has not change it has adapted, it has overwhelmed, overcome.  The gray existence bleaches out the color of those who leave their hands in too long, searching for the lynchpin, the lever that pulls it apart.

Hold!  Hold!  For like the synchroweb that  binds the cosmos into an Erisian orgy of energy, the social fishing net which catches the souls of the unwary has no middle.  There is nothing to pull, there is nothing to burn.  Its very intangibility is the briar rabbit that lures rebels into its midst, down a cul-de-sac, and then bores them into submission with taxes and political speeches.

Go back!  Go back!  Heed the call of your mind!  What is in front of you is not in front of youit is inside you.  The grey wash that seals your eyes like a cataract comes from within!  The Man that holds you down and forces you to submit is your own Monkey of Mediocrity.  The prison has no door, because it has no walls, because it does not exist!  The sun is out, the moon is brilliant, the trees call to you from the plains.  You do not hear, for your ears are filled with the burning of your Will, a Will that runs hot but has no vent.  You consume, but you do not turn.  You spin, but you do not spiral.  You burn, but you do not bleed.

Rise up!  Rise up!  and step sideways into the antechamber.  The mirrors are different here, and your choice is now.  The bland, the ordinary, is only as far away as your next thought, and the prisms beckon you from just behind your eyes.  You fight others, thinking them to be oppressors, but we are you, and you are us, and you only fight your conceptions of us, as we you.  But the self-destructive is ultimately self-defeating, as we cannot win in a battle with ourselves. 

Create!  Create!  We think ourselves to be creative, yet we destroy in the name of freedom more often that we admit.  The non-prophet said that Destruction is not the same as Chaos; we remember that Chaos is All, anything else are subjective rationalizations made in an attempt to function.  And if All is Chaos, then the first distinction is that of creation and destruction.  Move towards the completion of the Great Work, sidestepping the petty 4D squabbles surrounding you.

To Bliss!  To Bliss!  St Campbell had it right.  When one is capable of choosing ones life, that includes the maps s/he uses.  It is not hiding to refuse the hold the Grey world attempts to impose.  It is not escapism to steal the powers of guilt an obligation back from the overlords.  Because You are the only Overlord.

Free Your Mind, and Your Ass Will Follow.

Yoink? It's from ages ago, but I think it would work well in the final sections.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Vanadium Gryllz on May 05, 2016, 11:10:31 am
I appreciate your forum archaeology skills, Q.G.

It's interesting to read stuff from >10 years ago and see what you were all thinking and talking about back then.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 05, 2016, 08:53:44 pm
Wow.  I forgot about these.

I think I had a few more of the Epistles.  Some work better than others; some were a troll for the Obsidian Mirror site.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 06, 2016, 12:39:16 pm
Wow.  I forgot about these.

I think I had a few more of the Epistles.  Some work better than others; some were a troll for the Obsidian Mirror site.

Yeah, there's a whole pile of them from right around this strata. Also a lot of back and forth about how the forum is going to hell in a handbasket.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 06, 2016, 05:42:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/FFWWyXi.jpg)
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 12, 2016, 04:10:07 pm
Who is attacking you?

Who is threatening you?  How?  Intimidation? Threats? From where comes the power of intimidation?  Be it not from inside?

Any more questions?   :lulz:
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 12, 2016, 07:20:34 pm
Who is attacking you?

Who is threatening you?  How?  Intimidation? Threats? From where comes the power of intimidation?  Be it not from inside?

Any more questions?   :lulz:

What a little shit I was.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 12, 2016, 09:35:32 pm
Who is attacking you?

Who is threatening you?  How?  Intimidation? Threats? From where comes the power of intimidation?  Be it not from inside?

Any more questions?   :lulz:

What a little shit I was.

Me too.

In fact, the one thing I never got over since 2005 was my ability to go from zero to Oppenheimer when shown contempt.  It is something I need to work on, like I've been trying to work on that "need for validation" thing.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 12, 2016, 09:37:26 pm
OK, we're gonna have to see how we can get the phrase "zero to Oppenheimer" into the public discourse.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on May 13, 2016, 12:12:36 am
"zero to Oppenheimer" is my new mantra. Sorry "Get wasted and fuck shit up" you had a good run
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2016, 01:28:03 am
"zero to Oppenheimer" is my new mantra. Sorry "Get wasted and fuck shit up" you had a good run

The new job has revitalized my shit talking.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2016, 01:15:20 pm
The universe is better off for that.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 13, 2016, 08:18:45 pm
The universe is better off for that.

Yes, though promising a 5 gallon bucket of cocaine for a flawless safety record doesn't seem to be a productive way of getting meetings to end.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 13, 2016, 08:20:35 pm
"NO ADVANCES!"
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: hoopla on May 14, 2016, 01:07:01 am
This place was so goddam different ten years ago.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Good Reverend Roger on May 14, 2016, 06:29:29 am
This place was so goddam different ten years ago.

That's because nobody had facebook to geek out on.

I think I kinda like it better this way.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on May 14, 2016, 07:33:51 am
Use of Oppenheimer as meme particle could be:

Going full (or getting all) Oppenheimer (up in here)

It(Device, argument, ill advised culinary "expedition") went Oppenheimer

Some Oppenheimer shit (refers to VERY dangerous, clandestine knowledge or business, see KYFMS)

Pull an Oppenheimer (must endanger generations to come through the pure joy of scientific discovery)
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 14, 2016, 07:40:11 pm
Bonus points for including "I have become Death".
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: hoopla on May 20, 2016, 11:53:08 pm
Pedantic: "I am become death"
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 21, 2016, 01:02:50 am
You am become dick, more like.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: hoopla on May 21, 2016, 06:29:15 am
You am become dick, more like.

Well, I've been this way for a while, but sure.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: hoopla on May 26, 2016, 06:13:01 am
You am become dick, more like.

Sorry L.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Q. G. Pennyworth on May 26, 2016, 12:21:37 pm
I love this exchange so hard and I hate that I can't see a good way to extract it for other uses.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on May 26, 2016, 12:34:02 pm
You am become dick, more like.

Sorry L.


Dude, I was kidding.









OR WAS I?

 :magick:
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Junkenstein on May 26, 2016, 12:38:07 pm
This place was so goddam different ten years ago.

The world in general was.

Wars in Iraq and elsewhere, Corporate fuckery went unchecked, X to prison pipelines were functioning at full flow, Maniacs were campaigning to get the US presidency, etc. etc. etc.

Oh wait.

Oh shit.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 07, 2020, 08:59:28 pm
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.

Okay, it's been 15 years. 

The answer is "VERY YES."
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 08, 2020, 02:33:12 am
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.

Okay, it's been 15 years. 

The answer is "VERY YES."

Someone recently brandished a gat at you? Or was it 15 year's ago?

I've been in my share of fights, one with the other holding a loaded gun pointed at me with about 4 feet of initial distance. We scuffled and the gun fortunately did not go off, but I got pistol whipped a bunch. I think he expected me to just fall over like in the movies. Dad interviened. This was a "family" matter that could have been tragic.

There's a cold feeling on the business end of the gun.  Your guts turn squirmy and the mind freezes for just a moment. One of my very worst memories, and I've been swarmed by bees. The next person to do it to me, under any authority, is in for a very wild ride.

I would rather be dead
Than live with a gun to my head
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 08, 2020, 04:49:56 am
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.

Okay, it's been 15 years. 

The answer is "VERY YES."

Someone recently brandished a gat at you? Or was it 15 year's ago?

I've been in my share of fights, one with the other holding a loaded gun pointed at me with about 4 feet of initial distance. We scuffled and the gun fortunately did not go off, but I got pistol whipped a bunch. I think he expected me to just fall over like in the movies. Dad interviened. This was a "family" matter that could have been tragic.

There's a cold feeling on the business end of the gun.  Your guts turn squirmy and the mind freezes for just a moment. One of my very worst memories, and I've been swarmed by bees. The next person to do it to me, under any authority, is in for a very wild ride.

I would rather be dead
Than live with a gun to my head

The last time someone pointed a gun at me was 2013.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 08, 2020, 09:20:16 am
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.

Okay, it's been 15 years. 

The answer is "VERY YES."

Someone recently brandished a gat at you? Or was it 15 year's ago?

I've been in my share of fights, one with the other holding a loaded gun pointed at me with about 4 feet of initial distance. We scuffled and the gun fortunately did not go off, but I got pistol whipped a bunch. I think he expected me to just fall over like in the movies. Dad interviened. This was a "family" matter that could have been tragic.

There's a cold feeling on the business end of the gun.  Your guts turn squirmy and the mind freezes for just a moment. One of my very worst memories, and I've been swarmed by bees. The next person to do it to me, under any authority, is in for a very wild ride.

I would rather be dead
Than live with a gun to my head

The last time someone pointed a gun at me was 2013.

I'm guessing that "wasn't your first rodeo" so to speak?
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: PinkTiefling on February 09, 2020, 05:42:01 am
Goddess! I lurk noore! I am here to proudly proclaim that I have not lost my grip on reality, only chosen to ignore the most current model in order to create my own! I am Otter Chaos, complete and devoid of my self-imposed filters. Hail Eris!
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 09, 2020, 06:47:37 am
Goddess! I lurk noore! I am here to proudly proclaim that I have not lost my grip on reality, only chosen to ignore the most current model in order to create my own! I am Otter Chaos, complete and devoid of my self-imposed filters. Hail Eris!

 :noob:
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2020, 06:48:44 am
Goddess! I lurk noore! I am here to proudly proclaim that I have not lost my grip on reality, only chosen to ignore the most current model in order to create my own! I am Otter Chaos, complete and devoid of my self-imposed filters. Hail Eris!

So what?

ETA:  In the interests of fairness, you think you're the only one?  You, my friend, are at the top of the rabbit hole.  It gets uglier and it gets meaner every day.  Ask anyone here.  I mean, still here.  This shit isn't good for you.  The only one that got out in time was Verthaine.  Everyone else is fodder.  Even me.

I am Doktor Howl, Bubba, and I been around.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2020, 06:49:31 am
Who has put a gun to your head?

No, really.  Put aside your grand conspiracies, and tell me if anyone recently has threatened you with a gun.

Okay, it's been 15 years. 

The answer is "VERY YES."

Someone recently brandished a gat at you? Or was it 15 year's ago?

I've been in my share of fights, one with the other holding a loaded gun pointed at me with about 4 feet of initial distance. We scuffled and the gun fortunately did not go off, but I got pistol whipped a bunch. I think he expected me to just fall over like in the movies. Dad interviened. This was a "family" matter that could have been tragic.

There's a cold feeling on the business end of the gun.  Your guts turn squirmy and the mind freezes for just a moment. One of my very worst memories, and I've been swarmed by bees. The next person to do it to me, under any authority, is in for a very wild ride.

I would rather be dead
Than live with a gun to my head

The last time someone pointed a gun at me was 2013.

I'm guessing that "wasn't your first rodeo" so to speak?

I refer to everything up until about 2015 as my misspent youth.   :lulz:
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2020, 07:03:43 am
Goddess! I lurk noore! I am here to proudly proclaim that I have not lost my grip on reality, only chosen to ignore the most current model in order to create my own! I am Otter Chaos, complete and devoid of my self-imposed filters. Hail Eris!

So what?

ETA:  In the interests of fairness, you think you're the only one?  You, my friend, are at the top of the rabbit hole.  It gets uglier and it gets meaner every day.  Ask anyone here.  I mean, still here.  This shit isn't good for you.  The only one that got out in time was Verthaine.  Everyone else is fodder.  Even me.

I am Doktor Howl, Bubba, and I been around.

Thing is, everyone thinks Discordia is happy children frolicking in the wild flowers and all that shit.  Except they're happy because they're feral and fucked up on cheap drugs, and the wild flowers are actually a trash heap in a vacant lot.  And one by one, they keel over from tetanus, while shrieking how special they are.

It's important to understand this:  Discordia hates each other.

It's also important to understand this:  In hell, you never look back.

It starts off as haiku games and three word story, word salad and cookies and pie bullshit.  It ends in terminal butthurt, smart people too fucking covered in scar tissue to function as a group or even as an individual beyond Fuck you, Jack.  Even if that "fuck you, Jack" is expressed only as sneering disdain or quiet contempt.

It's most important to understand THIS:  Discordia is bad for you.

Get out while you can.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: altered on February 09, 2020, 01:30:48 pm
I told my friends that Discordia is what happens when you tell some of the brightest, most creative people on the planet that no one will punish them for their misdeeds, then watch them punish each other for those misdeeds for a decade.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on February 09, 2020, 03:43:40 pm
Goddess! I lurk noore! I am here to proudly proclaim that I have not lost my grip on reality, only chosen to ignore the most current model in order to create my own! I am Otter Chaos, complete and devoid of my self-imposed filters. Hail Eris!
Welcome, new person!

If you tell me what reaction you expected from this your first post, I shall endeavour to accommodate you.  :)
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 09, 2020, 03:48:45 pm
I told my friends that Discordia is what happens when you tell some of the brightest, most creative people on the planet that no one will punish them for their misdeeds, then watch them punish each other for those misdeeds for a decade.

That's as good a description as I can imagine.
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: The Wizard Joseph on February 09, 2020, 07:51:07 pm
I told my friends that Discordia is what happens when you tell some of the brightest, most creative people on the planet that no one will punish them for their misdeeds, then watch them punish each other for those misdeeds for a decade.

That's as good a description as I can imagine.

Holy shit!
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: LMNO on February 10, 2020, 01:34:46 pm
:notnice:
Title: Re: Epistle Two: On the Revolution.
Post by: Doktor Howl on February 10, 2020, 09:09:18 pm
:notnice:

Well, it's not.