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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 11:07:47 pm »

You are splitting hairs, the indigenous peoples were decimated, and the survivors faced ethnic cleansing where their culture was taken from them.
If you want to argue the language used: They were wiped out, they just weren't fully extinguished and as I already said, I was unaware of any previous reparations until the case the government settled last week, which they obviously fought tooth and against if the original amount was as you listed in 2007 and the real settlment this year,  I was basing that off news however I assuned around five years I didnt think that the process could have dragged on that long so you have me there

The bottom line is the Canadian government made a wholly inadequate token gesture and then had to be forced via legal means to meet its obligation, which I saw as a recent development based on the news story from last week.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 09:53:26 pm »

Making up new ones? I wasn't going to labour this but from my perspective it looks like the Canadian government gave a pittance of 27 million to the entire remaining population of the survivors of cultural and literal ethnic cleansing.
This being such an inexcusable low figure, that the indigenous people sued them for what they deserved and finally won 2 Billion out of the gov, which is less then what they should have received in the first place. And this wrapped up: last week

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 09:22:59 pm »

Why would I read a British Tabloid? I was reading this last week, has there been a scheme for redress available before it?

That's what I just said.  There was a settlement agreement in 2007.  https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100015576/1571581687074
The then-prime minister issued an apology in 2008, not this "5 years ago" you guessed at.

This isn't some new thing that suddenly showed up last week.

I wasn't aware of the earlier settlment, the article I linked is about the Canadian government settling its lawsuit and for what looks like a lot more then the 27 million they did previously.
2bn as of last week, its why I mentioned it, it was recently I saw it

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 08:38:45 pm »

Fair, wasnt it was only in the last 5 years they acknowledged the schools taking native American kids, changing their names and completely hiding their heritage, not to mention lots and lots of them died. But they have taken an official stance on that now accepting wrongdoing (as long as there is absolutely no talk of reparation)

What on earth are you talking about?  Survivors of residential schools have been eligible for reparation payments since 2007.  Are you just making shit up, or did you read this in some British tabloid?

Why would I read a British Tabloid? I was reading this last week, has there been a scheme for redress available before it?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/22/canada-to-pay-indigenous-more-than-2bn-over-residential-schools

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 08:32:08 pm »

Apologies yeah I was reading a more reactionary take on it,Canada is gradually becoming more and more right wing and yes did wipe out the indigenous people.

Not to whitewash the atrocities committed, or anything, but there are 1.8 million indigenous living in Canada, about 5% of the population.  Their cultural history has been decimated, but they haven't been wiped out.

[...]  though I couldn't see it any time soon based on the medical malpractice suit culture it shares with other countries

I'm not sure where you got that from.  Canada's rate of medical malpractice lawsuits is a fraction of the US, and the payouts are much lower.  We have more in common with Europe.  Who are you comparing us to?

I knew the indigenous people had a small group but five percent is way higher and better then I expected.

To clarify the pocess for a doctor to lose their licence or be uninsurable in Canada is one to two cases which is in line with most European countries, it results in doctors erring on the side of caution, and hesitating or simply referring people to the emergency services to pass the buck. It results in better accountability but much more feet dragging

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 08:20:34 pm »

Fair, wasnt it was only in the last 5 years they acknowledged the schools taking native American kids, changing their names and completely hiding their heritage, not to mention lots and lots of them died. But they have taken an official stance on that now accepting wrongdoing (as long as there is absolutely no talk of reparation)

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 07:57:56 pm »

Apologies yeah I was reading a more reactionary take on it,Canada is gradually becoming more and more right wing and yes did wipe out the indigenous people. In some ways they have even been worse than the US in confronting thier history on that.

There would be a number of things would need to break in their medical system to ever arrive at that hypothetical outcome, but it's not impossible given enough time for it to be abused that way, though I couldn't see it any time soon based on the medical malpractice suit culture it shares with other countries

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 10:49:30 am »

I'm not putting words in your mouth but the discussion did start in the context of Canada in regards to canadas medically assisted dying held up as a convenient way to get rid of 'themuns.

I have no doubt the US systems and UK have issues for Trans or mental disability patients and is on a downward trajectory: that is fact, the above, specifically regarding canada is dubious

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 10:40:18 am »

I'm not saying it doesnt exist, I agreed that the UK system lacks accountability, the UK system is crumbling, but its a multi variable problem: being deliberately run down by the Tories over decades in an attempt to justify privatization, lack of staffing, massive demand on the system, and yes to top it off a healthy dose of bias can make it extra dangerous to specific groups, but the problems for everyone using it.
The NHS in Europe is not the norm, it is also the only fully public body which gives rise to a lot of the issues on accountability.

Holding the US (a failed nation and dystopia) and the UK (a crumbling moneypit) up as examples of why Canada is running death programs to target homeless, trans, mentally ill people is daft.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 09:42:28 am »

When I was living in the UK I saw the NHS is an unwieldy machine that  is a black hole for accountability: patients dropped of lists, never notified of specific dates for treatment, and as such missed, but these looked like major incompetence rather than maliciousness. In terms of racism it manifests in a weird way:
I never once saw a native UK doctor, instead it was majority Indian, Pakistani, Nigerian etc, they were all excellent but bring their own cultural bais to the job. A lot in Indian doctors come from very wealthy families accustomed to the caste system and can be dismissive of problems for poor/ homeless etc.  That said I was in Essex and I know this varies hugely depending on where you are.

The only overt racism I experienced was for being Irish from the secretary on the desk, who openly said I was only in the UK to "use the free NHS"

In Ireland, Spain, the Netherlands etc, it is much much easier for doctors to be struck off or sued into oblivion, so much so that in Ireland it has created a paralysis where doctors will go out of their way to do the minimum possible for the patient, which for obvious reasons creates its own problems.

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 08:16:23 am »

I do routinely forget that the US gave syphilis to Black people just to see what would happen.
Abusee happened everywhere as late as the 60s, however most other countries went in the other direction and added accountability while the US seems to double down instead

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 30, 2023, 07:32:01 am »

Sounds like hysteria, and heres why: A doctor potentially ending their high paid, lucrative career just to suggest euthanasia to vulnerable people is the stretch, its not realistic.

They problem is as you describe, they don't care about you, they wont offer the real support any more then they would offer the most visible and highly scrutinised option.
My experience is and has always been: doctors will offer you the easiest option FOR THEM, the golden rule of medicine is not "first do no  harm" it is "first, cover your ass"

And as I said in that very post, my experience is that "plenty of doctors will break the law because they know you can't do shit". I'm not alone, either, I know lots of people have stories like this. Very common amongst disabled AFAB people, because, funny enough, doctors think they're being "hysterical". And medical racism is so common that they have quantified the average amount that doctors undermedicate Black patients for pain. Almost never are there consequences for any of this. One of the more gruesome cases is that of Tyra Hunter. The ER staff who mocked her while she died in front of them were never even disciplined. And this one was, in part, transphobia, so it's real close to home for me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tyra_Hunter

Is it hysteria if it's already happening? In fact, evidence suggests that it happens all the goddamn time, just like cops shooting Black people in the street and walking free.

Ok yes, there is a big difference between American medicine, and other counties. Elsewhere Doctors are routinely struck off or can't get insured due to complaints or law suits that drove up their premium.
This has has a cooling effect where doctors do the minimum and often miss out on real issues as they won't do anything more invasive than an xray for fear it puts them out of the job, basically a patient needs to demand things like CTs ect off their own bat

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Apple Talk / Re: Open Bar: Curbside Pickup Only

« on: January 29, 2023, 10:58:28 pm »

Sounds like hysteria, and heres why: A doctor potentially ending their high paid, lucrative career just to suggest euthanasia to vulnerable people is the stretch, its not realistic.

They problem is as you describe, they don't care about you, they wont offer the real support any more then they would offer the most visible and highly scrutinised option.
My experience is and has always been: doctors will offer you the easiest option FOR THEM, the golden rule of medicine is not "first do no  harm" it is "first, cover your ass"

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Apple Talk / Re: Elon Musk to Purchase Niche Fetish Site PrincipiaDiscordia.com for Record $16

« on: January 29, 2023, 10:48:58 pm »

Well at least we know elons account on pd.com now

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Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories

« on: January 10, 2023, 02:42:08 pm »

The quote was taken out of context by the British press, as part of their ongoing crusade against Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

C'mon now, you don't really believe the Times, Sun, Mail and Telegraph give a single fuck about Muslim lives and wouldn't be cheering on this distorted account in any other circumstance, do you?

I didnt look at where reuters source led, ewww.