I have no idea where the original thread went, but I posted a new track at The Spider Project Page. (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject)
It's Rant 18, Cainad reading Cramulus, music courtesy of my parent's baby grand piano.
I'm gonna try to get this cranking again. I still have two bits by TGRR and Cainad doing one of Squiddie's on file. To work!
YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
I love Spider Project.
Oooooo, me too!
:mittens: for the project as a whole
:mittens: for making me not totally hate the sound of my croaky voice. :lol:
Croaky my ass, boyo. Your voice is :fap:
Yeah, once I got it in the right space, it totally worked.
I have a few more ideas bouncing in my head, so another TGRR one should be showing up in a few weeks.
SO
how does this work? people send you their spoken word material and you rock out to it? Are you planning this as a release?
1. Go to the thread titled, "Hey, LMNO" started by TGRR in Apple Talk. That's where the Spider meme really started.
2. Choose a piece in the thread. Double check whether the piece you want to do hasn't already been done.
3. Record yourself reciting the piece, using whatever technology is available.
4. Send it to me.
5. I set it to music.
OR
Write your own music, like Roaring Biscuit did. Then send me separate tracks for editing/mixing.
O holy shit that was awesome.
Alphapance, thou hast mail. Let me know what you want me to do with the mp4's.
Amazing... Rant 1 so far is my favorite.
Jenne, send both to earfatigue.productions (at) gmail.com. I'll piece together the best bits of both. And thanks!
Okiedokie, artichokie!
Ok, got another one of Roger's (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions#!/artist/song_details/6227161) up. Short, loud.
I think I'm almost 20% done. I think Jenne's will be next.
oh wow :mittens:
I really like that one.
Quote from: Cainad on December 03, 2010, 08:43:38 PM
oh wow :mittens:
I really like that one.
Thanks!
It was vaguely Birthday Party/Neubauten inspired.
:aaa:
Imma go pick one now.
If you ever want to use anything I posted, you're welcome to it. Not going to suggest anything, as it would end up being too subjective.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 04, 2010, 02:33:07 AM
If you ever want to use anything I posted, you're welcome to it. Not going to suggest anything, as it would end up being too subjective.
I can't recall if you wrote anything in that thread. Remember, this project is dedicated soley to the thread that started the Spiders/Pills theme.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 06, 2010, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Blight on December 04, 2010, 02:33:07 AM
If you ever want to use anything I posted, you're welcome to it. Not going to suggest anything, as it would end up being too subjective.
I can't recall if you wrote anything in that thread. Remember, this project is dedicated soley to the thread that started the Spiders/Pills theme.
Ah, right. I'll think of something then.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 03, 2010, 12:50:51 PM
Ok, got another one of Roger's (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions#!/artist/song_details/6227161) up. Short, loud.
I think I'm almost 20% done. I think Jenne's will be next.
Oooh, I like the new one. A LOT! And yay! Me next! (I hope!)
Working from home has it's perks.
Jenne's rant. (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions?popup_render=%2Fcontroller%2Fartist%2Fadd_song%2F284942%3Ffrom_activate%3Dtrue#!/artist/song_details/6322906) She's got a great voice for it.
damnit... blocked from work :sad:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
Working from home has it's perks.
Jenne's rant. (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions?popup_render=%2Fcontroller%2Fartist%2Fadd_song%2F284942%3Ffrom_activate%3Dtrue#!/artist/song_details/6322906) She's got a great voice for it.
You made my year, man. :mittens:
Considering it's December, I guess I made it just under the wire.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 06:54:50 PM
Considering it's December, I guess I made it just under the wire.
BEST HOLIDAY GIFT EVARRRR! My lil bro likes it (ok, "younger"--he's 34). He says it sounds great! (Hope you didn't mind I showed it off...)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on December 10, 2010, 05:20:25 PM
Working from home has it's perks.
Jenne's rant. (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions?popup_render=%2Fcontroller%2Fartist%2Fadd_song%2F284942%3Ffrom_activate%3Dtrue#!/artist/song_details/6322906) She's got a great voice for it.
Holy heck yes, Jenne sounds great reading this stuff off! Music background is excellent too; I love how it drops off for the last few phrases.
That sounded great!
:eek:
Phox,
Self-conscious about her voice now.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 11, 2010, 06:29:38 AM
:eek:
Phox,
Self-conscious about her voice now.
Looking forward to hearing it. If I get at least a "pretty decent" in my submission to the thread, I'll record it and send it.
Quote from: Doktor Phox on December 11, 2010, 06:29:38 AM
:eek:
Phox,
Self-conscious about her voice now.
You haven't sent me anything yet, have you?
Not a problem.
Kai's rant, "Days Pass" is up. Rant 9.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898 (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
It needs some EQ/level tweaking, but i just wanted to share.
Tweaked the song, changed up a few beats, boosted some bass. TGRR is next.
Like it. Not sure about the voice effects, though they fit quite well.
LOVE It!
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
:mittens:
I was still talking too fast.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
:mittens: :mittens: :mittens: :mittens: :mittens: :mittens:
Favorite rant, favorite track.
Funny thing, when I was toying with that one before I wrote my own, I kept scrapping it because I thought I was speaking too slowly.
Oh and an update: As soon as I get over this fucking cold, I'll start working on mine again. I have recorded it a few times, and I haven't quite got a delivery that I thought worked for what I was shooting for with the narrative.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 23, 2011, 11:51:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
:mittens:
I was still talking too fast.
Amusingly, I actually slowed your track down to 87% of it's original speed.
If I didn't know better, I'd advise to lay off the biker speed.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 03:27:54 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 23, 2011, 11:51:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
:mittens:
I was still talking too fast.
Amusingly, I actually slowed your track down to 87% of it's original speed.
If I didn't know better, I'd advise to lay off the biker speed.
FACT: When I met TGRR he was speaking at his normal pace, the act of which caused such friction that his teeth melted and his lips burst into flames. After drowning the conflagration in gravy, he casually declared he would go "freshen up" and returned with a mismatched and out of place set of new teeth concealed by what looked like, and I can only hope was, mangled raw chicken wings. When rushing to the bathroom to go vomit I accidentally wandered into what had to be his harvesting zone, also the kitchen of this establishment, and what I saw relaxed my stomach...and my bowels right along with it. Curiously neither he nor Richter questioned why I returned to the table wearing the head chef's pants, though I swear Richter threw me a look of solemn knowing.
These continue to be excellent, LMNO. In the process of recording my own pieces as well as the Who Are We? stuff I've come to the conclusion that I don't know how anyone in my presence is able to tolerate the sound of pure revulsion that seems to emanate from my face when I move it around in an attempt to communicate.
I like this idea, and the dark trip-hop sound suits it, although I do have a few issues. More often than not the instruments used tend to clump around the same frequency range as the vocals and steals energy from them. What sounds like a lack of compression means you sometimes have the vocals sticking out at larger volumes than resting comfortably in the mix, did you turn them up to compensate? I get that the music is essentially rap backing tracks, but they're in danger of falling into monotony due to the lack of contrast, maybe if you give the music a few more different sections or gave the voices more dynamics and expression you could retain interest. The one called "Spiders" started to get cool near the end with a new dischord but I think was maybe too late and not really long enough. The actual content of the vocals is cool, but I don't think you'll achieve what you want with just how good the words are. I'm not sure how much of this is down to the lo-q versions you've put up for reverbnation but the tracks are all pretty short and there doesn't seem to be a need to lose that much quality if you recorded at 24bit and then busted it down to 16.
Your criticisms are noted, and appreciated. Further mixing will be needed, I'm just trying to get ideas down right now.
However, recording at 24 bit and then reducing to 16 bit is really fucking stupid. Why record with a 144dB dynamic range and then crush it down to 96dB? It's like completing an oil painting and then taking a black-and-white picture of it.
You don't "keep" the subtleties of 24 bit recording when you bounce down to 16; and unless you're releasing it as a DVD, you're never going to hear it, because no other commercial format supports it.
So you have a copy on multiple formats and different qualities. Bouncing down to 16 isn't to preserve the quality at 24. Actually creating the music in a higher quality allows greater control and precision when writing, even if you have to loose some to make it CD standard. Yes, your audience probably won't hear all the details, but writing off doing it hi quality in the first place is like saying it's not worth perfecting instrumental skill because the audience has no idea what you're doing, not really.
That's exatly what I'm saying. You sound like this guy I once engineered for who wanted to record a track of tambourine and mute it for the remaineder of the recording, and mixdown, because he'd know it was there.
There is no reason other than assbag wankery to record something no one will ever hear. I suppose you also care about sounds below the noise floor too, don't you?
Umm. There's also the fact that the vocals are recorded by people who may or may not know what they are doing. Just putting that out there.
No, I wasn't talking in terms of such extremes like leaving in muted channels (waste of memory) or floor vibrations, I was meaning more the shit actually coming out of the speaker, the stuff people DO hear and the stuff you can hear when you're playing/writing. If you're not able to hear as many frequencies as possible, you have less room for creativity. It's the thousands of tiny changes that make the difference, (take for instance how small the changes are when you sidechain) and they DO have an audiable impact on the final thing. And not all of your audience are going to be ignorant to music, after all, and even those who are can still tell if a track "sounds right" or not. I also didn't know if you were going for the lo-fi sound intentionally.
And yeah, I get that the vocalists may not know what they're doing but that's what criticism is for, right? All I was asking for in that regard was more AUDIBLE passion - more emotion, doesn't have to be overwhelming or dramatic, even the subtle changes make the difference... a sharp spit of emphasis on particular words maybe, or a gradual build of energy put into the words. The words are great but I'm not immersed when I'm listening, Im not sure the vocalists are -really feeling- what they're saying at the time.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 24, 2011, 02:01:27 PM
I like this idea, and the dark trip-hop sound suits it, although I do have a few issues.
Of course you do. You always do.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 24, 2011, 02:32:33 PM
Yes, your audience probably won't hear all the details, but writing off doing it hi quality in the first place is like saying it's not worth perfecting instrumental skill because the audience has no idea what you're doing, not really.
Fucking gasbag.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 03:27:54 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 23, 2011, 11:51:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 23, 2011, 07:25:12 PM
Another new track... TGRR with the "It's hard to know when the Spiders came and made everything real" rant.
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
Rant 8.
Free for streaming and download.
:mittens:
I was still talking too fast.
Amusingly, I actually slowed your track down to 87% of it's original speed.
If I didn't know better, I'd advise to lay off the biker speed.
Interesting thing is, I don't do that in person or while ranting improv for youtube stuff.
TGRR,
Doesn't deal with scripts well.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 24, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
The words are great but I'm not immersed when I'm listening, Im not sure the vocalists are -really feeling- what they're saying at the time.
WHAT'S MY MOTIVATION? UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
If you'd read or listened to the material, you'd know we weren't intending on doing cartwheels.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 24, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
No, I wasn't talking in terms of such extremes like leaving in muted channels (waste of memory) or floor vibrations, I was meaning more the shit actually coming out of the speaker, the stuff people DO hear and the stuff you can hear when you're playing/writing. If you're not able to hear as many frequencies as possible, you have less room for creativity. It's the thousands of tiny changes that make the difference, (take for instance how small the changes are when you sidechain) and they DO have an audiable impact on the final thing. And not all of your audience are going to be ignorant to music, after all, and even those who are can still tell if a track "sounds right" or not. I also didn't know if you were going for the lo-fi sound intentionally.
And yeah, I get that the vocalists may not know what they're doing but that's what criticism is for, right? All I was asking for in that regard was more AUDIBLE passion - more emotion, doesn't have to be overwhelming or dramatic, even the subtle changes make the difference... a sharp spit of emphasis on particular words maybe, or a gradual build of energy put into the words. The words are great but I'm not immersed when I'm listening, Im not sure the vocalists are -really feeling- what they're saying at the time.
Ok, I'll tell you what: this is one of my rants.
Quote from: LMNOI don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the spiders are trying to help me. I mean, they know things. They know what will make me attractive, they know what will make me popular. They know what I should be listening to. And for a small fee, they can all be mine. They have ideas, too; so all I have to do is repeat their ideas, and then I'll have ideas. And they're always right -- the proof is right there on TV. See? All the pundits are saying the same thing. Just like the spiders whispered into my ear.
The spiders say that it's a good thing to spend 60 hours a week grinding your soul to a nub just so you can almost afford a mortgage -- because then you're safe. Plus, the pills they give you fill up that hollow emptiness in your gut - and if that doesn't do the job, by God a glass of whiskey and some out-of-focus internet pronography will do the trick! Thanks to the spiders, I don't have to do anything when I get home from work. I can just sit here, and watch other people pretending to do the things I don't have the time or the motivation to do. It's right there, on the screen. Now hush: The new Melrose Place is about to come on, and my Megan Fox downloads are almost complete.
Show me how it's done.
Ok. I will.
Incidentally, there are a couple of leitmotivs being used. The main one is in its rawest state on rant 2 (track 3), "...And those pills. Fuck. They're everywhere."
In case you wanted to be thematic.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
However, recording at 24 bit and then reducing to 16 bit is really fucking stupid. Why record with a 144dB dynamic range and then crush it down to 96dB? It's like completing an oil painting and then taking a black-and-white picture of it.
You don't "keep" the subtleties of 24 bit recording when you bounce down to 16; and unless you're releasing it as a DVD, you're never going to hear it, because no other commercial format supports it.
This is contrary to everything i have learned, in personal research, practice and at college doing a music tech diploma.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/qa0910-1.htm (http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep10/articles/qa0910-1.htm)
For the record:
Quote from: SoundOnSoundA sensible headroom margin is essential when tracking, to avoid the risk of clipping and allow you to concentrate on capturing a great performance without panicking about the risk of 'overs'. A similar margin is also required when mixing, to avoid overloading the mix bus and plug-ins (yes, I know floating-point maths is supposed to make that irrelevant, but there are compromises involved that can be easily avoided by maintaining some headroom!).
Once the mix is finished, the now redundant headroom can be removed, and that is a standard part of the mastering process for digital media like CD and MP3[/i]
when you design a digital image (or "picture") you do it at the greatest possible manageable DPI, so that you lose less quality when you reduce its resolution. The same
is true of audio. More room for maneuvering is always preferable to the perfectionist, or just someone who is serious about their art.
http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id=2417&frm=1 (http://www.homerecordingconnection.com/forum.php?action=view_thread&id=2417&frm=1)
QuoteJust to oversimplify - if you are recording at 24 bit then you can afford to run the signal far less "hot", and as a result you can bypass the need for a compressor "limiting" the signal to ensure you used all the available bitdepth ('cos 16bit isn't a lot).
Once the signal is in the PC, you can apply software compression to get things more under control.
Now, i don't profess to be an authority on Audio (yet, a degree in acoustics is going to sort that right out though :D ) but this error seems obvious to an academic audio n00b like myself.........
This thread is no longer a fun exercise that LMNO is doing for the shit of it.
It is now a thread full of self-appointed fucking gasbags that should all drink drano and fucking die. Each and every one of you wannabe expert shit-knockers. Seriously. Did you think you were going to IMPRESS anyone with your Goddamn bullshit? Are we to stand in awe of your superior knowledge? Are you expecting LMNO to redo everything to make YOU happy?
I fucking hate you all. Die in a burning car wreck. That is all.
LMNO, let me know if you want a thread split. We can have a thread for the know-it-all shitgobblers, and one for your project.
It's ok. I'm surprised it lasted this long. Not gonna stop, though.
Shub, I do have a degree in music production and engineering, and while what you say is true about giving yourself a saftey net as far as dynamic range goes, a competent engineer will get the levels right the first time. You're not adding anything to the mix, you're simply covering your own ass. And, much like playing a Rickenbacker through a Big Muff and a Marshall stack, the kind of clarity they're referring to cannot be discerned in the majority of modern music.
And, for 3D3N's, and others' sake, I will endevour to provide a short essay about my philosophy of what The Spider Project "is", from its creation to its completion.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
It's ok. I'm surprised it lasted this long. Not gonna stop, though.
Shub, I do have a degree in music production and engineering, and while what you say is true about giving yourself a saftey net as far as dynamic range goes, a competent engineer will get the levels right the first time. You're not adding anything to the mix, you're simply covering your own ass. And, much like playing a Rickenbacker through a Big Muff and a Marshall stack, the kind of clarity they're referring to cannot be discerned in the majority of modern music.
And, for 3D3N's, and others' sake, I will endevour to provide a short essay about my philosophy of what The Spider Project "is", from its creation to its completion.
the essay is actually a good idea, for many reasons, clarity of your mission being one.
a competant engineer may get the levels right the first time, but a competant engineer should also consider that they are not infallible, and use all the tools at their disposal for the best possible result. not leaving yourself a safety net is how you end up on the floor with a broken spine. And no offence mate, but you didnt get them right first time. Im not telling you what to do, i am presenting you with what i have learned and been taught hopefully to expand BOTH our experiences (but im not so vain as to think that the way i know is the only way). I mean, is that not how you learn, through questioning discussing and practice???
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
This thread is no longer a fun exercise that LMNO is doing for the shit of it.
It is now a thread full of self-appointed fucking gasbags that should all drink drano and fucking die. Each and every one of you wannabe expert shit-knockers. Seriously. Did you think you were going to IMPRESS anyone with your Goddamn bullshit? Are we to stand in awe of your superior knowledge? Are you expecting LMNO to redo everything to make YOU happy?
I fucking hate you all. Die in a burning car wreck. That is all.
Yes roger, that is all you have to add to a technical discussion. Well done you angry muggle, i knew it wouldn't be long before you jumped in to save your "war-buddy" a-la grecque.
Just save the hatred for those that care, and next time you might want to find out a little about what "gas bags" are talking about before you steal someone elses insult to use at people using terms you might not understand.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 07:02:58 PM
It's ok. I'm surprised it lasted this long. Not gonna stop, though.
Shub, I do have a degree in music production and engineering, and while what you say is true about giving yourself a saftey net as far as dynamic range goes, a competent engineer will get the levels right the first time. You're not adding anything to the mix, you're simply covering your own ass. And, much like playing a Rickenbacker through a Big Muff and a Marshall stack, the kind of clarity they're referring to cannot be discerned in the majority of modern music.
And, for 3D3N's, and others' sake, I will endevour to provide a short essay about my philosophy of what The Spider Project "is", from its creation to its completion.
You've been turning out quality for years now without their "help".
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
Yes roger, that is all you have to add to a technical discussion. Well done you angry muggle, i knew it wouldn't be long before you jumped in to save your "war-buddy" a-la grecque.
Just save the hatred for those that care, and next time you might want to find out a little about what "gas bags" are talking about before you steal someone elses insult to use at people using terms you might not understand.
Did you just say "muggle"?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
Yes roger, that is all you have to add to a technical discussion. Well done you angry muggle, i knew it wouldn't be long before you jumped in to save your "war-buddy" a-la grecque.
Just save the hatred for those that care, and next time you might want to find out a little about what "gas bags" are talking about before you steal someone elses insult to use at people using terms you might not understand.
Did you just say "muggle"?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
you can read?????? awesome. teach me master.
Unlimited thread time?
Quote from: Charley Brown on January 24, 2011, 07:41:26 PM
Unlimited thread time?
listen up dickhole, as much as you are entitled to your opinion, and entitled to express it, I am entitled to have a vocational discussion with people in my chosen field. If my view differs from theirs, does that make me less than human??? does that mean i waive my right to post???
I find it quite hypocritical that you outwardly profess a needfor "thinking for ones self", but as soon as someone with an opinion differing from an "alpha" on here you all get all hyper-shit-pelt-action.
But then you already know you are hypocrites,I've seen you all discussing it for years.
and you just get worse.
IN THE BEGINNING...
Roger wrote me a letter, posted in Apple Talk. It was a deliciously paranoid work about spiders and pills, and all but demanded a response. Getting into the right headspace, I offered up more observations about modern culture and advertising. Then some more people got into the act. The thread grew organically, with a good chunk of the board tossing in their perspective of what "Spider" "Pills" "Webs" and "HAPPY™" means to them.
Next thing you know, someone has snatched them up, threw them into a layout program, added images, and created a PDF of the first few pages of the thread. It was pretty impressive, and had an impact on me. I decided to set the thread to music. I quickly looked around for inspiration or examples.
For starters, the pieces were essentially spoken word prose, with one or two exceptions. My mind turned in a few different directions. The Golden Palominos Dead Inside album came instantly to mind, as did Anton Feir's Japanese chattering Dreamspeed. More than a few things of Burroughs has been set to music, and then there's Tom Waits' spiels. Einstürzende Neubauten and The Birthday Party also have similar uses of spoken/non-meter words, so I thought I'd start in that direction.
TGRR was nice enough to record himself on his computer, which added an interesting element-- a non-musician speaking through a low-quality mic, which is intended to be the focal point of the entire song. Background noise and timing became key elements to account for when editing the pieces. Other PD people did the same, and Roaring Biscuit even wrote an entire piece over in Eurospaglandia.
The other main limitation was that I have both a real job and a real band. And being married, I have a woman I love involved in my life as well. So, I've taken to waking up at 5:15 am on weekday mornings to sit in front of my computer for 45 minutes before the coffee maker goes off and begins the workday, and less often for 30 minutes between when I get home after work and when I start making dinner.
Oh, that reminds me. The equipment I'm working on is a DigiRack 3 (four dual XLR inputs, four ¼" inputs), on ProTools7 (standard package, with standard plug-ins), a few Shure mics (SM57, 52) and a bargain-basement condenser mic. I have an imitation Squire guitar with a warped neck, and a Memphis bass I picked up for $50. And it's in the back room of my condo, where my drum set is not. So, 97% of the percussion is MIDI (Reason, BFD, Xpand). Add that to the list of limitations.
As the project progressed, I felt free to wander into whatever musical place I felt worked. I borrowed heavily from/was inspired by Scorn, Underworld, Dead Can Dance, Tommy Guerrero, NIN... there's even an obvious Interpol nod in there. I pretty much just start poking around on one device or another, and see where it goes. The rules are more like suggestions, and if it works, it stays.
I come from mainly a punk/DIY background, and am a big fan of the SST label from the 80s. As such, I feel that mistakes have just as much possibility as accuracy. Add to that both my relative inexperience playing non-percussion instruments, and the above limitations of equipment and submitted vocal tracks, and you get what you can call a "lo-fi" product. But it's not really lo-fi like K records, it's just avoiding that high-gloss polish you get from commercial product, or pure electronica that never sees a microphone and everything is step-recorded into MIDI. I dunno if you have access to XMU, the satellite indie rock station, but they're playing a lot of the sound this project is headed towards: Deerhoof, Grizzly Bear, Black Keys, Wavves, Best Coast, No Age, Warpaint. Stuff like that.
So, there you go. Something that started on September 25, 2009 has been kept alive for more than a year, simply because I'm a stubborn fuck. Go ahead, ASK ME ANYTHING!
Shub doesn't care. UR DOIN' IT WRONG IN SHUB'S EXPERT OPINION.
Everyone's a fucking producer.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 07:50:41 PM
IN THE BEGINNING...
Roger wrote me a letter, posted in Apple Talk. It was a deliciously paranoid work about spiders and pills, and all but demanded a response. Getting into the right headspace, I offered up more observations about modern culture and advertising. Then some more people got into the act. The thread grew organically, with a good chunk of the board tossing in their perspective of what "Spider" "Pills" "Webs" and "HAPPY™" means to them.
Next thing you know, someone has snatched them up, threw them into a layout program, added images, and created a PDF of the first few pages of the thread. It was pretty impressive, and had an impact on me. I decided to set the thread to music. I quickly looked around for inspiration or examples.
For starters, the pieces were essentially spoken word prose, with one or two exceptions. My mind turned in a few different directions. The Golden Palominos Dead Inside album came instantly to mind, as did Anton Feir's Japanese chattering Dreamspeed. More than a few things of Burroughs has been set to music, and then there's Tom Waits' spiels. Einstürzende Neubauten and The Birthday Party also have similar uses of spoken/non-meter words, so I thought I'd start in that direction.
TGRR was nice enough to record himself on his computer, which added an interesting element-- a non-musician speaking through a low-quality mic, which is intended to be the focal point of the entire song. Background noise and timing became key elements to account for when editing the pieces. Other PD people did the same, and Roaring Biscuit even wrote an entire piece over in Eurospaglandia.
The other main limitation was that I have both a real job and a real band. And being married, I have a woman I love involved in my life as well. So, I've taken to waking up at 5:15 am on weekday mornings to sit in front of my computer for 45 minutes before the coffee maker goes off and begins the workday, and less often for 30 minutes between when I get home after work and when I start making dinner.
Oh, that reminds me. The equipment I'm working on is a DigiRack 3 (four dual XLR inputs, four ¼" inputs), on ProTools7 (standard package, with standard plug-ins), a few Shure mics (SM57, 52) and a bargain-basement condenser mic. I have an imitation Squire guitar with a warped neck, and a Memphis bass I picked up for $50. And it's in the back room of my condo, where my drum set is not. So, 97% of the percussion is MIDI (Reason, BFD, Xpand). Add that to the list of limitations.
As the project progressed, I felt free to wander into whatever musical place I felt worked. I borrowed heavily from/was inspired by Scorn, Underworld, Dead Can Dance, Tommy Guerrero, NIN... there's even an obvious Interpol nod in there. I pretty much just start poking around on one device or another, and see where it goes. The rules are more like suggestions, and if it works, it stays.
I come from mainly a punk/DIY background, and am a big fan of the SST label from the 80s. As such, I feel that mistakes have just as much possibility as accuracy. Add to that both my relative inexperience playing non-percussion instruments, and the above limitations of equipment and submitted vocal tracks, and you get what you can call a "lo-fi" product. But it's not really lo-fi like K records, it's just avoiding that high-gloss polish you get from commercial product, or pure electronica that never sees a microphone and everything is step-recorded into MIDI. I dunno if you have access to XMU, the satellite indie rock station, but they're playing a lot of the sound this project is headed towards: Deerhoof, Grizzly Bear, Black Keys, Wavves, Best Coast, No Age, Warpaint. Stuff like that.
So, there you go. Something that started on September 25, 2009 has been kept alive for more than a year, simply because I'm a stubborn fuck. Go ahead, ASK ME ANYTHING!
:mittens:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 07:58:08 PM
Shub doesn't care. UR DOIN' IT WRONG IN SHUB'S EXPERT OPINION.
Everyone's a fucking producer.
thought you could read roger. obviously not.
nowhere do i state i am an expert, far from it in fact. try again
I hope to get the last side of the piano-frame fixed this month so it can stand upright again without falling apart or on my feet. After some tuning it should play on the level of "rusty cat" - just what I need to supplement my gameboy and record everything through a dead dog's anus. I know this isn't state-of-the-art but I always liked the lo-fi stuff.
Btw LMNO, I loved the entire project so far. Just felt like putting that out there.
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 24, 2011, 07:58:08 PM
Shub doesn't care. UR DOIN' IT WRONG IN SHUB'S EXPERT OPINION.
Everyone's a fucking producer.
thought you could read roger. obviously not.
nowhere do i state i am an expert, far from it in fact. try again
Yeah, you said that, in the same breath in which you said he was doing it wrong. :lulz:
Shub, your so called technical discussion was a bunch of nit picking about informed stylistic choices, not a simple back and forth about the various aspects of the production. The fact that you decided to throw your weight around with your education on the subject in an attempt to add credence to your argument supports that you aren't interested in talking about it, but telling everyone else how much better you know about it than they do. So really, if you're going to try to pull high ground on anyone, take a look at your own poor fucking choices here.
3D3N, your own criticism of the project sounds a lot less like a recommendation for improvement than it does a request to conform it to your own palate.
But hey, I don't have a fucking music degree, so feel free to self felate sitting on the bullshit thrones you've constructed for yourselves.
I'd like to also mention that this is Bring & Brag. It's to show people what you've been working on, and without a specific request for criticism has very rarely been used as such.
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 24, 2011, 08:31:02 PM
Shub, your so called technical discussion was a bunch of nit picking about informed stylistic choices, not a simple back and forth about the various aspects of the production. The fact that you decided to throw your weight around with your education on the subject in an attempt to add credence to your argument supports that you aren't interested in talking about it, but telling everyone else how much better you know about it than they do. So really, if you're going to try to pull high ground on anyone, take a look at your own poor fucking choices here.
3D3N, your own criticism of the project sounds a lot less like a recommendation for improvement than it does a request to conform it to your own palate.
But hey, I don't have a fucking music degree, so feel free to self felate sitting on the bullshit thrones you've constructed for yourselves.
I'd like to also mention that this is Bring & Brag. It's to show people what you've been working on, and without a specific request for criticism has very rarely been used as such.
so what makes you assume that when imin the studio tomorrow that i'm not going to test it out?
you guys can be so short sighted
and like i told roger, i NEVER claimed to be an expert. i said i was a n00b.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
From their posts, I think they're more into Willow Smith, you know,
Whip My Hair.
TGRR,
Knows you didn't think I'd forgiven you for bringing Taylor Swift to MY attention.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
assumptions again.
can you say "pi-an-o"?
can you say "gui-tar"?
can you say "vi-o-lin"???
not that we need to prove ourselves to you, but i definateley think you need to rethink assumptions. because we favour techno we cant possibly know what a haunting waltz the Danse Macabre is?
and youre using SM57s for vocals. is that deliberate?? and isnt the 52 for a kick?
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 08:47:26 PM
so what makes you assume that when imin the studio tomorrow that i'm not going to test it out?
you guys can be so short sighted
and like i told roger, i NEVER claimed to be an expert. i said i was a n00b.
Where in that post did I say anything about testing something out? Maybe you can be more clear as what it is that you'll be testing. You do that. And when you get the results, they will serve a better purpose being inserted into your own rectum than they will being shared. You're dishonest in your intentions, in your conversation, and the fact that you can't compose a coherent sentence lends me little faith that you're able to compose a coherent song.
For instance. Short sighted? Do you just toss out phrases that make you feel bigger, because calling anyone here short sighted without any reference to what we're failing to see makes about as much sense, well, the rest of your post.
Where did I say you claimed to be an expert. It's hilarious to me that while you're claiming Roger can't read, you're failing to see the implications of your own statement. Yes, you said you're relatively new to the whole field. In the same breath, you used the fact that you have any kind of background in it at all to support your claims. Those two thoughts put together say in no unclear terms that you feel, even as a "humble" student of the field, you are somehow in a better position to judge such matters than those you're speaking to.
Hey, maestro, cool it on the sound courses. Maybe go take some gen-eds for a bit and learn how to think. The technical shit can wait until you're able to parse the meaning of a paragraph.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 24, 2011, 08:58:55 PM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 08:47:26 PM
so what makes you assume that when imin the studio tomorrow that i'm not going to test it out?
you guys can be so short sighted
and like i told roger, i NEVER claimed to be an expert. i said i was a n00b.
Where in that post did I say anything about testing something out? Maybe you can be more clear as what it is that you'll be testing. You do that. And when you get the results, they will serve a better purpose being inserted into your own rectum than they will being shared. You're dishonest in your intentions, in your conversation, and the fact that you can't compose a coherent sentence lends me little faith that you're able to compose a coherent song.
For instance. Short sighted? Do you just toss out phrases that make you feel bigger, because calling anyone here short sighted without any reference to what we're failing to see makes about as much sense, well, the rest of your post.
Where did I say you claimed to be an expert. It's hilarious to me that while you're claiming Roger can't read, you're failing to see the implications of your own statement. Yes, you said you're relatively new to the whole field. In the same breath, you used the fact that you have any kind of background in it at all to support your claims. Those two thoughts put together say in no unclear terms that you feel, even as a "humble" student of the field, you are somehow in a better position to judge such matters than those you're speaking to.
Hey, maestro, cool it on the sound courses. Maybe go take some gen-eds for a bit and learn how to think. The technical shit can wait until you're able to parse the meaning of a paragraph.
Yeah, he says he's a noob, but then gives me shit for DARING to take part in a technical discussion.
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
assumptions again.
can you say "pi-an-o"?
can you say "gui-tar"?
can you say "vi-o-lin"???
not that we need to prove ourselves to you, but i definateley think you need to rethink assumptions. because we favour techno we cant possibly know what a haunting waltz the Danse Macabre is?
and youre using SM57s for vocals. is that deliberate?? and isnt the 52 for a kick?
You really need to re-read that post, especially to the band references, and then research the quality of production each one has.
Also: A microphone records sounds. Each mic flavors the sound in a specific way. Depending on what flavor you want, you use that mic. There is no "wrong" choice. So yes, I use a 57, a 52 (google "bass proximity effect"), the crappy condensor mic... I've even used the dictaphone function on my cellphone. And if you recall, the other voices were recorded on the onboard mic of their computer.
That post of yours reveals volumes about how restrictive your brain is working.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
LMNO, this project is cool and all, but have you considered autotuning them bitches and tossing on a 4/4 beat? I think I could get more into it.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 24, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
LMNO, this project is cool and all, but have you considered autotuning them bitches and tossing on a 4/4 beat? I think I could get more into it.
:lulz:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on January 24, 2011, 09:05:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
LMNO, this project is cool and all, but have you considered autotuning them bitches and tossing on a 4/4 beat? I think I could get more into it.
Nonsense. 3/4 beat with a choir in the background.
:fuckmittens:
I need to borrow Trip's vocoder, I guess.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 09:03:30 PM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 08:53:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
assumptions again.
can you say "pi-an-o"?
can you say "gui-tar"?
can you say "vi-o-lin"???
not that we need to prove ourselves to you, but i definateley think you need to rethink assumptions. because we favour techno we cant possibly know what a haunting waltz the Danse Macabre is?
and youre using SM57s for vocals. is that deliberate?? and isnt the 52 for a kick?
You really need to re-read that post, especially to the band references, and then research the quality of production each one has.
Also: A microphone records sounds. Each mic flavors the sound in a specific way. Depending on what flavor you want, you use that mic. There is no "wrong" choice. So yes, I use a 57, a 52 (google "bass proximity effect"), the crappy condensor mic... I've even used the dictaphone function on my cellphone. And if you recall, the other voices were recorded on the onboard mic of their computer.
That post of yours reveals volumes about how restrictive your brain is working.
nope, no restrictions. just asking. i kind of assumed that it would be for effect, but i wasn't sure (or shure) if you had some trick or other up your sleeve that i didnt know about.
i beleive that i dont know everything. thats kinda why i use forums.
tell you what, ill stop with the sarcastic responses if youll talk to me on a level that isnt on a million foot high plinth.
and then we can talk turkey
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 24, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
nope, no restrictions. just asking. i kind of assumed that it would be for effect, but i wasn't sure (or shure) if you had some trick or other up your sleeve that i didnt know about.
i beleive that i dont know everything. thats kinda why i use forums.
tell you what, ill stop with the sarcastic responses if youll talk to me on a level that isnt on a million foot high plinth.
and then we can talk turkey
You hear that, LMNO, he's willing to have a discussion so long as you don't pull the exact same shit he already tried, before it backfired and he got embarrassed.
If you want to start an engineering thread, I'd suggest using the techmology & scientism subforum.
I have to chip in for a moment. At the start of it, it was really just constructive criticism. But when LMNO replies "nah I'm not gonna do that", it's not the moment to turn the thread into a technical discussion about sound mastering instead of constructive criticism.
That said, [even though I haven't heard all of the tracks yet] I do agree that often I find myself wishing the vocals in LMNO's music would be a bit clearer. There's all sorts of different ways to accomplish that though.
And if your sound editing program supports it, indeed go for the 24bit option while editing the song, and convert to 16bit after. It's indeed the same thing as if you were to make graphics, you create the picture at a higher resolution and scale it down before publishing. You don't get any extra resolution out of it, but when you put all the different things together at a higher resolution, merge it and then scale it down, the end result will be smoother. Think about it like adding up items on a receipt bill, if you round all the items to the dollar first, and then add them, you will get a less accurate result than when you add the items first, and then round the total.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
For the record, I don't begrudge them that they wished it sounded more like Britney Spears. I just chalk it up to them not being exposed to enough music other than purely computer generated.
Awwww :cry:
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 09:19:59 PM
I need to borrow Trip's vocoder, I guess.
YES YOU SHOULD :D
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
not heard any of kais stuff yet. link me.
and as for it being genre appropriate, thats the point of that stuff, she's a classical pianist trying to capture the psytrance sound. she did a much better job than i did. nearest i got to it was "planeshifts" but im still not 100% happy with it.
we also realised that our respective sounds are nothing like the spider project, it was me that enquired about contributing to it though, not her. i thought it was a long shot, but i couldnt see any harm in asking.
so theres no room for techno with the spiders then?
...
Why don't we just stop right now until you listen to the whole thing, ok? It's obvious you haven't heard it, and I don't feel like talking to you about something you haven't even listened to yet.
And you can still do something if you want to. I'm not stopping you.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
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Why don't we just stop right now until you listen to the whole thing, ok? It's obvious you haven't heard it, and I don't feel like talking to you about something you haven't even listened to yet.
And you can still do something if you want to. I'm not stopping you.
dude, its obvious i havent heard it all because i told you in a PM. that is nothing you deduced. i also told you i was going to spend the next week looking into ALL of it.
posts, chunes, anything.
changed my mind now though. really not worth the bother, i get enough "alpha" rubbish from local yobs, i dont need it from a fellow musician too. sure ill listen anyway, and i know you wont be bothered by my descision not to contribute, at least not in public.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 09:19:59 PM
I need to borrow Trip's vocoder, I guess.
I will kill you. I will come to Boston and kill everyone. Then I will shit on Franklin's grave.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
So music to pop E and twirl glow-sticks around to?
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 25, 2011, 12:24:10 AM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
So music to pop E and twirl glow-sticks around to?
some of it, yes. some just stumble around to it, depends on what they've had.
but there are more ways to enjoy psy than just parties.
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
Right. So, dubstep.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:41:39 AM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
Right. So, dubstep.
*sighs*
would it matter if i said "no"?
If I sound bitchy, it's because you come into this thread criticizing the Project as if you've heard everything. So when I try to address and reference the project and speak to it's parts, AND YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO IT, it's annoying, because it makes you sound like you're talking out of your ass.
And if you consider my behavior, which has been more open and conciliatory than almost anyone else here on PD.com, as "alpha", you're certainly not going to have much fun here.
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:43:57 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:41:39 AM
Quote from: Shub-Crackerath on January 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 25, 2011, 12:18:37 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
Right. So, dubstep.
*sighs*
would it matter if i said "no"?
Not really.
Rock n roll was doing just fine until you Brits fucked it up.
So, um.....WTF...I hear nothing wrong with this music, but I didn't study music and I used to work around heavy machinery so maybe I have shitty ears........
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 25, 2011, 01:34:33 AM
So, um.....WTF...I hear nothing wrong with this music, but I didn't study music and I used to work around heavy machinery so maybe I have shitty ears........
There's nothing wrong with it. Shub and D3 are just being douches.
I hear nothing wrong with this music, and I'm also a fucking musician. Maybe it's because I mostly play punk/gothy shit (yes, that's right, Phox plays goth music, go fuck yourselves :lulz:). However, I played classical clarinet and piano before I ever picked up a guitar.
Also, side note, I actually UNDERSTAND what LMNO is shooting for. When I started recording, I recorded on on a shitty computer mic and mixed tracks by PLAYING THEM SIMULTANEOUSLY AND HOLDING THE MIC UP TO THE SPEAKER. Sounded like shit, but then, I really didn't give a fuck. 7 years later, I make no claim of being a professional sound engineer, but I have techniques that suit me and I am happy with the way I do things. I'm sure I do things WAY differently than LMNO (and he'd probably be horrified to see my setup :lol:), but I'm not going to complain about the way he engineers his tracks BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS FUCKING TRACKS. [/pissed]
I doubt that even makes sense, but I can't remember what i typed and absolutely refuse to read it. :box:
It made sense to me. :)
(He'd probably be horrified by my set up too)
I actually feel like a dick for not having made the effort to check out the Spider Project until now.
Quote from: Canis latrans eques on January 25, 2011, 02:03:34 AM
I actually feel like a dick for not having made the effort to check out the Spider Project until now.
Don't. It wasn't until I was here for awhile and after I met LMNO in person before I did. There's a lot of stuff to wade through here, especially If you're trying to figure out a reference that happened in 2006.
Ok I want to clear this up and speak from the heart: Never at any point was I claiming the things I pointed out were what was wrong with the music, quit putting words into my mouth. I'm of the opinion that music is highly subjective and there is no right or wrong way. These were personal observations and suggestions as to what could be done not what MUST be done. Take them or leave them, I doubt I could (or would want to) ever tell anyone on here what to do anyway. I'm sorry if I caused offence LMNO, but it's a fairly odd concept that a seasoned professional wouldn't welcome critical commentary. Apologies for the assumption, I made it purely because I personally welcome criticism and if you want to listen to my own music and make your own critical comments, I would be honoured. And as regards to the ensuing debate about recording quality I was operating under the assumption that we were merely engaged in a lively debate about one of the few subjects I know a little of and I was happy that you seemed to be going for it. Again, I'm sorry.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 25, 2011, 02:19:36 AM
Ok I want to clear this up and speak from the heart: Never at any point was I claiming the things I pointed out were what was wrong with the music, quit putting words into my mouth. I'm of the opinion that music is highly subjective and there is no right or wrong way. These were personal observations and suggestions as to what could be done not what MUST be done. Take them or leave them, I doubt I could (or would want to) ever tell anyone on here what to do anyway. I'm sorry if I caused offence LMNO, but it's a fairly odd concept that a seasoned professional wouldn't welcome critical commentary. Apologies for the assumption, I made it purely because I personally welcome criticism and if you want to listen to my own music and make your own critical comments, I would be honoured. And as regards to the ensuing debate about recording quality I was operating under the assumption that we were merely engaged in a lively debate about one of the few subjects I know a little of and I was happy that you seemed to be going for it. Again, I'm sorry.
You mentioned being a noob in the same breath as having a degree in the subject. It seems like poorly covering your ass in case it backfired, and it came across as critical in a bad way. Also, it detracted from the thread, or at least, I thought. Further, I have no idea what you were talking about, as I'm sure others didn't except for LMNO. I do some home recording, I'm a musician, but I'm just that. A musician. I don't know crap about recording gear or methods, I just tool around until it sounds acceptable, and then when I want to put something out there that I think I can't do, I pay money for someone else to record it (split 5 ways with the rest of my band). It came to a point where you should have just started up another thread.
Just my two cents.
Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 25, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
You mentioned being a noob in the same breath as having a degree in the subject.
You might want to check your facts.
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Quote from: Doktor Blight on January 25, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
You mentioned being a noob in the same breath as having a degree in the subject.
You might want to check your facts.
Sorry, got you confused with Shub. But as far as I'm concerned the rest of my statement stands.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 25, 2011, 02:19:36 AM
Ok I want to clear this up and speak from the heart: Never at any point was I claiming the things I pointed out were what was wrong with the music, quit putting words into my mouth. I'm of the opinion that music is highly subjective and there is no right or wrong way. These were personal observations and suggestions as to what could be done not what MUST be done. Take them or leave them, I doubt I could (or would want to) ever tell anyone on here what to do anyway. I'm sorry if I caused offence LMNO, but it's a fairly odd concept that a seasoned professional wouldn't welcome critical commentary. Apologies for the assumption, I made it purely because I personally welcome criticism and if you want to listen to my own music and make your own critical comments, I would be honoured. And as regards to the ensuing debate about recording quality I was operating under the assumption that we were merely engaged in a lively debate about one of the few subjects I know a little of and I was happy that you seemed to be going for it. Again, I'm sorry.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
Your criticisms are noted, and appreciated. Further mixing will be needed, I'm just trying to get ideas down right now.
5 pages, 2 or 3 of your comments, an attempted threadjack, and a shitstorm later, you are complaining about LMNO not being receptive to criticism? :boring:
Quote from: Doktor Phox on January 25, 2011, 02:44:38 AM
Quote from: 3D3N on January 25, 2011, 02:19:36 AM
Ok I want to clear this up and speak from the heart: Never at any point was I claiming the things I pointed out were what was wrong with the music, quit putting words into my mouth. I'm of the opinion that music is highly subjective and there is no right or wrong way. These were personal observations and suggestions as to what could be done not what MUST be done. Take them or leave them, I doubt I could (or would want to) ever tell anyone on here what to do anyway. I'm sorry if I caused offence LMNO, but it's a fairly odd concept that a seasoned professional wouldn't welcome critical commentary. Apologies for the assumption, I made it purely because I personally welcome criticism and if you want to listen to my own music and make your own critical comments, I would be honoured. And as regards to the ensuing debate about recording quality I was operating under the assumption that we were merely engaged in a lively debate about one of the few subjects I know a little of and I was happy that you seemed to be going for it. Again, I'm sorry.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 02:25:06 PM
Your criticisms are noted, and appreciated. Further mixing will be needed, I'm just trying to get ideas down right now.
5 pages, 2 or 3 of your comments, an attempted threadjack, and a shitstorm later, you are complaining about LMNO not being receptive to criticism? :boring:
This.
Ok, so to prevent more thread drift I propose we sort this out elsewhere more appropriate.
Quote from: 3D3N on January 25, 2011, 02:52:19 AM
Ok, so to prevent more thread drift I propose we sort this out elsewhere more appropriate.
Wise choice.
We now return you to the Spider Project.
Yeah, this mental, pedantic masturbation shit needs breaking off from this otherwise great and wonderful thread.
Goddammit I feel like I've just waded through a thousand-monkey shitflinging episode. And I feel bad for Alphapance that he was subjected to this. What he's doing is a GIFT to PD.com and himself. Drinking a gallon of prune juice and then letting your asshole reign is not the way to engage someone in an ontological debate on the fucking finer points of musical fucking recording and expression.
Fuck.
Assholes.
Break it off, I say. Please.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 24, 2011, 10:19:07 PM
By the way, I'm listening to 3D3N's music on reverbnation, and her music is perfectly genre-appropriate for what her intentions are, Psychtrance or whatever they're calling it nowadays.
It's also clear that it has nothing in common with The Spider Project, so confusion is understandable. And I bet Kai's "Days Pass" piece really annoys you.
What the fuck is psychtrance? Is that the next generation of dubstep?
no idea.
psytrance on the other hand is psychedelic trance. a fusion of goa trance and acid tekno, psytrance is quite diverse considering, and can be quite progressive too. i could reccomend some sample artists if you really want to know....
So music to pop E and twirl glow-sticks around to?
Fuck off. Shit on the noob all you like, but don't shit on goa/psytrance for no other reason than you don't like the guy that mentions it. With all the complex interlocking melodies, there's bunch of really brilliant stuff (not what I link below btw) I like to compare to what Bach would have made if he'd lived in the 90s and you'd give him a synthesizer. Whether that's a good thing is another question.
Oh, and in case anyone cares, the easiest way to distinguish Techno from Psytrance is simply that where Techno goes UNTZ, Psytrance goes BOK. There's more to it of course, but this is the easiest to spot.
To answer an unasked question, no I don't think it would be a suitable genre for Spider Music tracks.
Though there are some psytrance artists that really successfully combine powerful guitar music and psytrance, which really works, because the intertwining synthetic melodies have the same sort of energy to them as a long and fast guitar solo (think Daft Punk's
Aerodynamic, sort of).
There is one psytrance artist, Infected Mushroom, that also tried to incorporate meaningful kinds of vocals in his music, with mixed success IMO.
Illuminaughty and
Converting Vegetarians are great fun, but on his newer album (
Vicious Delicious) he took a bit more serious, even political route with
Becomining Insane and especially
Artillery (the artist is Israeli, where goa/psytrance always has been really big).
* Converting Vegetarians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqc8JNzniUc)
(lyrics are hilarious: this is the time of, the revolution, cooking the next step, converting vegetarians, into the midnight, giving it to you, never again will I sell out--I'M ASSUMING he's converting vegetarians to a more sensible diet, not the other way around)* Illuminaughty (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlTnKsekQMs)
(unsure if this refers to "our" Illuminati or not)* Becoming Insane (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqHTHUhSOls)
(spanish guitar! :) this is the first in the playlist with the typical psytrance bokbokbokbok-beat, Remind me the story that I won't get insane // Before I change again...)* Artillery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNV3tGpWrgQ)
(more guitar and obvious political anti-war message)the above in one playlist (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=285D542059ECF62E) (sound quality is pretty good for Youtube, and--especially this selection--is really nothing at all like your run-of-the-mill bokbok tekkno psytrance, so if you can stand a very "electronic finish", they're really nice songs. Tripzip recommends highly)Quote from: RogerRight. So, dubstep.
Nah. My brother showed me, and I figured it out, dubstep that is. it's basically anything sort of simple electronic experimental wankery, not too fast, not too loud, and then below that you add a bunch of basslines that are so low, half of the range is below hearing, intended for being felt with your organs if speakers are powerful enough.
And that's it.
The audible part of Dubstep is really just an excuse for carrying subsonic basslines. If listened on speakers that can't manage this, you might really wonder what's going on--which is not much, because you're not hearing/experiencing half of it.
FYI this is not an endorsement of Dubstep, just explanation.
HOWEVER, if you ever manage to figure out the technology for your Brown Note Machine, and you need a willing test-audience, look no further than Dubstep-fans :)
Hey, and if you can put that other device back together again, why not try to see if they perhaps need a light technician for Dubstep parties? :evil:
Quote from: Jenne on January 25, 2011, 03:33:25 AM
Yeah, this mental, pedantic masturbation shit needs breaking off from this otherwise great and wonderful thread.
Goddammit I feel like I've just waded through a thousand-monkey shitflinging episode. And I feel bad for Alphapance that he was subjected to this. What he's doing is a GIFT to PD.com and himself. Drinking a gallon of prune juice and then letting your asshole reign is not the way to engage someone in an ontological debate on the fucking finer points of musical fucking recording and expression.
Fuck.
Assholes.
Break it off, I say. Please.
YES BUT ALSO,
NO.
There's one thing that really BUGS me about this thread:
(and this is not really directed at you, Jenne, quoted for context, mostly)
On the one hand both Shub and 3D3N have given solid, technical and detailed constructive criticism and advice about [some of] LMNO's tracks.
On the other hand, they're being douches about it.
Which LMNO picked up
just fine, UNTIL everybody else jumped on their shit not just for being douches but ALSO for talking about technical audio geekery, calling it mental masturbation and pedantic. Which is BULLSHIT because it also makes
me less likely to discuss technical audio shit in a thread like this [which got fucking IGNORED and buried under two pages of ass (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=27418.msg998862#msg998862) because everybody was too busy shitting on the n00bs instead of talking music and/or project].
It's almost
exactly the same as what happened with the whole "Arial" debacle about the Pterodactyl shirts a few years back. Net, being quite the expert on graphics design and typography, tried to explain why Arial would be a bad typographic design choice. Unfortunately he was being a douche about it, as well as too late to change anything, and a shitstorm ensued. Result? Not only have I seen people actually seriously question the value of typography (which is like questioning the use of parametric equalizers in studio sound mastering), but also, from then on, every time people were having a serious discussion about typographic design, some
hilarious mongol jumps in saying "LOL ARIAL".
And there's a couple more technical or specialist topics that got quite difficult to discuss.
Listen, we got a tremendous group of wildly varying intelligent and specialist knowledge and skills on this board. Let's not discourage ourselves from sharing that knowledge and those skills.
If you want to jump on someone being a douche, critique their douchiness, not the technical subject. Especially not if you have no idea WTF you/they are talking about. Cause it makes you look stupid and REALLY reminds me of highschool clique monkey games where the jocks bullying the antisocial nerds for getting high grades, made OTHER PEOPLE want to hide their skills lest they be mocked as well.
Seriously, 3D3N and Shub provided more than enough ammo to target their character and behaviour, that you really don't need to drag in and smear a topic that other audiophiles on this forum actually DO enjoy talking (and occasionally wanking) about.
Quote from: Triple Zero
everything
Thank you. Truly.
I fucked up. Pure and simple.
Quote from: Triple Zero on January 25, 2011, 09:04:37 AM
Fuck off. Shit on the noob all you like, but don't shit on goa/psytrance for no other reason than you don't like the guy that mentions it. With all the complex interlocking melodies, there's bunch of really brilliant stuff (not what I link below btw) I like to compare to what Bach would have made if he'd lived in the 90s and you'd give him a synthesizer. Whether that's a good thing is another question.
Well, yes. Another question entirely.
Hey. After reading this, I just wanted to say- I downloaded the Spider Project again this morning after I saw there were new bits I'd missed, and listened to it on my morning walk.
Absolutely brilliant stuff. Thanks for putting it together, LMNO, and thanks everyone else who has been involved in it. I love it.
is there a collection of the rants somewhere (other than the thread), and maybe some indication of which have been done or not?
need to get back into the habit of writing things again :)
x
edd
Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on January 25, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
is there a collection of the rants somewhere (other than the thread), and maybe some indication of which have been done or not?
need to get back into the habit of writing things again :)
x
edd
There was a PDF, I don't know how complete is was (as in, some things were written after it was compiled).
The Reverbnation page (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898) shows the songs that have been done, listing the rants in the order they were written.
Currently, we've got 1-9, 13, 17-18, and 26. I'm working on 16 right now (RWHN), and I have audio from Cainad for 14 and maybe 15, I can't remember.
I haven't touched anything after Cram's "Lament for the Tricksters", if you want to give another one a go.
Mind if I call dibs on "Hush now my darling..." (that's one of yours). Probably can't start until after wednesday though
xx
Edd
I did have some ideas about that... I'll PM you, and we can talk about it.
Well, suffice it to say 1) I think there's a time and place to call someone down for work they've done but NOT in a thread that highlights a project like THIS (that's what I was RIGHTLY upset about) and 2) I dislike being put into a category--albeit with some caveats--of shitting on "noobs." Those folks aren't N00BS--they're trolls. Or acting like trolls. And they shit where they ate. Repeatedly.
I have no opinion of the genre of music under discussion. I think my absence of comment there was plain as can be. However, I do take ENORMOUS exception to the "you're so wrong" attitude of folks who have been here before (or not?) and take a ginormous dump all over LMNO and his techniques. Moral for me is: don't stand up for others, because you get shit on. Moral for others: please do start another fucking thread if you want to debate techniques of something technical that you think you have expertise in that sharing about might help others in the future.
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Quote from: Roaring Biscuit! on January 25, 2011, 03:10:37 PM
is there a collection of the rants somewhere (other than the thread), and maybe some indication of which have been done or not?
need to get back into the habit of writing things again :)
x
edd
There was a PDF, I don't know how complete is was (as in, some things were written after it was compiled).
The Reverbnation page (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898) shows the songs that have been done, listing the rants in the order they were written.
Currently, we've got 1-9, 13, 17-18, and 26. I'm working on 16 right now (RWHN), and I have audio from Cainad for 14 and maybe 15, I can't remember.
I haven't touched anything after Cram's "Lament for the Tricksters", if you want to give another one a go.
Did or did it not get cross-posted at EB&G? I thought it was but I could be mistaken.
I don't know if Spiders did. 30 Days of Eris might have been.
I have a Word doc that's basically the "Print" of the thread with spurious comments taken out. I can send that to you, if you like.
...no no is fine. I don't recall if Bella's WIPING EB&G or just handing it wholecloth to FP/CU. Might be worth datamining for projects like this, which tended to be a catchall at different points for some of the projects started here.
I know I myself have a tiny few writings I did there but never showed here that I should grab.
I think, other than a post or two on kabala/tarot that doesn't need to be saved, I used EB&G as a mirror site for content, which means it would be over here, as well.
...Although, come to think of it, I do remember writing out an explanation/analysis of Horrormirth to someone over there. Maybe I should go look for it.
I've just downloaded all the music and I'm really enjoying it.
My favorite so far is the 11th track. Great music, great voice, great rant.
That's all I wanted to say.
Thanks!
RWHN's rant #16 is up. (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions?popup_render=%2Fcontroller%2Fartist%2Fadd_song%2F284942%3Ffrom_activate%3Dtrue#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
New Rant is up, SquidBurger's "Festering Cyst", as told by Cainad. Rant #14.
Go here for all the Rants (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 08, 2011, 11:22:51 PM
Thanks!
RWHN's rant #16 is up. (http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions?popup_render=%2Fcontroller%2Fartist%2Fadd_song%2F284942%3Ffrom_activate%3Dtrue#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
Finally listened to this today. Came out great!
I need to tweak the bass, add a fuzzier bit, but thanks!
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
New Rant is up, SquidBurger's "Festering Cyst", as told by Cainad. Rant #14.
Go here for all the Rants (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
I tried to listen to it, and it made my 'puter all asplodey. :lulz:
Quote from: Doktor Phox on February 25, 2011, 12:38:15 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
New Rant is up, SquidBurger's "Festering Cyst", as told by Cainad. Rant #14.
Go here for all the Rants (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
I tried to listen to it, and it made my 'puter all asplodey. :lulz:
Damn, I thought Alphapance did a pretty bang-up job of diluting the computer-destroying properties of my voice.
Whole thing is sweet, and I'm really impressed to see that it's made it to 16 tracks so far. That is a damn respectable collection right thar!
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Quote from: Doktor Phox on February 25, 2011, 12:38:15 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 24, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
New Rant is up, SquidBurger's "Festering Cyst", as told by Cainad. Rant #14.
Go here for all the Rants (http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject#!/artist/artist_songs/614898)
I tried to listen to it, and it made my 'puter all asplodey. :lulz:
Damn, I thought Alphapance did a pretty bang-up job of diluting the computer-destroying properties of my voice.
Whole thing is sweet, and I'm really impressed to see that it's made it to 16 tracks so far. That is a damn respectable collection right thar!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
But yes, this track was excellent as always. I DID find myself getting a bit distracted from the vocals by the music once or twice. Not sure if it was the mix or what, but maybe think about tweaking it a little?
The mixes are never finished. Which vocals did you miss?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 25, 2011, 12:42:45 PM
The mixes are never finished. Which vocals did you miss?
I'm not sure. It was about a minute and a half or two minutes in, I think. Re-listening to it, it actually sounds great. Could have been that the music was just too interesting the first time. :lulz:
Heh. Damn my musical genius!
For realsie, I think that's where the drums start fading in, and the seagull guitar gets a bit crazier, right?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on February 25, 2011, 01:50:01 PM
Heh. Damn my musical genius!
For realsie, I think that's where the drums start fading in, and the seagull guitar gets a bit crazier, right?
Yeah, that's about it. :wink:
LOVE IT. Cainad's voice was perfect, and the upbeat music just hit the right spots in the narrative. Another masterpiece, LMNO!
Quote from: Jenne on February 26, 2011, 10:49:22 PM
LOVE IT. Cainad's voice was perfect, and the upbeat music just hit the right spots in the narrative. Another masterpiece, LMNO!
Thanks, but you'd never know it from the amount of coaching LMNO had to give me through PMs before I was able to shake off enough of the "droning teenager monotone" for it to work. :lol:
Was hella fun to read though, with all those harsh sibilant sounds and visceral imagery.
You considered that upbeat music?
A woman after my own heart.
...what is it usually considered? :D I could listen to it for DAYS. :D
Quote from: Cainad on February 26, 2011, 11:54:04 PM
Quote from: Jenne on February 26, 2011, 10:49:22 PM
LOVE IT. Cainad's voice was perfect, and the upbeat music just hit the right spots in the narrative. Another masterpiece, LMNO!
Thanks, but you'd never know it from the amount of coaching LMNO had to give me through PMs before I was able to shake off enough of the "droning teenager monotone" for it to work. :lol:
Was hella fun to read though, with all those harsh sibilant sounds and visceral imagery.
Once my cold is over, Imma read the "WHO ARE WE?" script. Gonna use the same media device as I did for the Spiders Project. Since my brother STOLE my recording of what I did a few years back in his stuido ( :crankey: ), I'll have to redo it.
Quote from: Jenne on March 02, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
...what is it usually considered? :D I could listen to it for DAYS. :D
"Listenability" and "upbeat" are not the same, in my book. With an implied tempo of 60bpm, and an emphasis on minor thirds, I figured "dark" would be the right adjective. Then again, the clean guitar/bass plays major fourths and octaves and evokes Eno's
Music for Airports, so you could be right.
Either way, I appreciate that you like it.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 02, 2011, 06:53:11 PM
Quote from: Jenne on March 02, 2011, 05:31:13 PM
...what is it usually considered? :D I could listen to it for DAYS. :D
"Listenability" and "upbeat" are not the same, in my book. With an implied tempo of 60bpm, and an emphasis on minor thirds, I figured "dark" would be the right adjective. Then again, the clean guitar/bass plays major fourths and octaves and evokes Eno's Music for Airports, so you could be right.
Either way, I appreciate that you like it.
...yeah, dunno...a lot of what you posted goes over my head. I usually like a muted upbeat sort of tone to music when I listen...too slow and I get bored or lose interest in it, too fast and I get antsy and change the dial. Unless I feel like getting riled up.
I'm one of the few people I know that classical music stimulates rather than puts me to sleep. If the tempo's quick, then my mind is not resting. At all.
But I'm glad you're glad--I'm very proud to be a small part of what you're creating here. Glad you've stuck with it through much sacrifice, too (sleep is a premium in this house).
Status check. LMNO, did you get my files and are you happy with them? I can re-record if you'd like.
Ah, yes. Apologies, I've been trying to nail down one of EoC's rants.
I think there's a flubbed line in the last paragraph of yours, "latest celebrity gossip." If you don't mind re-doing that, cool.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 08, 2011, 01:09:09 PM
Ah, yes. Apologies, I've been trying to nail down one of EoC's rants.
I think there's a flubbed line in the last paragraph of yours, "latest celebrity gossip." If you don't mind re-doing that, cool.
Yeah, I'll redo that last paragraph then.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 08, 2011, 01:09:09 PM
Ah, yes. Apologies, I've been trying to nail down one of EoC's rants.
I think there's a flubbed line in the last paragraph of yours, "latest celebrity gossip." If you don't mind re-doing that, cool.
I'm not positive I mentioned it in my e-mail, but if I did a shitty job on the recording I won't take offense if you need another take or scrap it.
This is the first time I've recorded my own voice and listened to it. It seems a few people are recording theirs in pieces and then adding the best takes together to make the whole track? That's very smart. I didn't know you could do that, so I just re-recorded it. Over and over and over. The words lost all meaning after a while and I can't tell if the palpable loathing present is what I sound like on a regular basis or just a product of the resentment I had toward flubbing the last line of a six minute long reading.
The experience left me distinctly questioning why anyone would subject themselves to me speaking by choice. So really, thanks for helping me learn who my real friends are. 8)
:lulz: But I know what you mean, EoC. Mine's short, so re-reading it only twice seemed to help. I remember when I was recording the "Who Are WE?" with my brother a couple of years back, I tried playing with the inflection so much that I ended up changing the meaning here and there, or intended focus or whatever, such that he'd make me go back and re-do it if he thought that individual take was ass or whatever.
Can't wait for this damned cold to be over and done (longest cold EVAR!) so I can record that mother.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 08, 2011, 01:09:09 PM
Ah, yes. Apologies, I've been trying to nail down one of EoC's rants.
I think there's a flubbed line in the last paragraph of yours, "latest celebrity gossip." If you don't mind re-doing that, cool.
I'm not positive I mentioned it in my e-mail, but if I did a shitty job on the recording I won't take offense if you need another take or scrap it.
This is the first time I've recorded my own voice and listened to it. It seems a few people are recording theirs in pieces and then adding the best takes together to make the whole track? That's very smart. I didn't know you could do that, so I just re-recorded it. Over and over and over. The words lost all meaning after a while and I can't tell if the palpable loathing present is what I sound like on a regular basis or just a product of the resentment I had toward flubbing the last line of a six minute long reading.
The experience left me distinctly questioning why anyone would subject themselves to me speaking by choice. So really, thanks for helping me learn who my real friends are. 8)
I've got no problem with your voice. The problems I'm having are creative -- I've got an initial idea of what to do, but I'm having a bitch of a time hammering it into shape. I think I'm going to have to pull an Oblique Strategy card if this keeps up.
In addition, I've been asked to mix a for realsie song for a band down in Philly, which takes priority.
If I haven't said it recently, I really appreciate everyone's contributions. It gives me a lot more options.
ATTN: Navkat
Yes, I'm a sound engineer. Please to find some of my work here:
http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions
And here:
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
My latest remix for Grubstake isn't up yet, it's still being mastered.
O HAI.
HAZ MYOOZIK.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on March 23, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
ATTN: Navkat
Yes, I'm a sound engineer. Please to find some of my work here:
http://www.reverbnation.com/earfatigueproductions
And here:
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
My latest remix for Grubstake isn't up yet, it's still being mastered.
HAWT.
THE PILLZ GIVE YOU A POUCH LIEK KANGAROOS HAVE AN YOU KEEP YUOR SKREEMZ IN IT.
:mittens:
(I don't often give mittens).
You've been here since 2006. How is it possible you haven't heard this stuff yet?
But, thanks anyway for the mittens!
Raped by Food is also a must-hear classic.
Richter got drunk and posted this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SpOjFgN198
SIX MOTHERFUCKING MINUTES FROM EOC.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
last song on the list.
Fuck, that one took a long time, believe it or not.
Oh shit, you used the longer of the two? Can't wait to get home and check it out.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 07, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
SIX MOTHERFUCKING MINUTES FROM EOC.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
last song on the list.
Fuck, that one took a long time, believe it or not.
Whoa. Suddenly my goofy ass voice sounds heavy.
Cool, LMNO.
Is there a piece I would be best doing? I have an Australian accent without a great deal of bass.
Also, sorry if this was covered, but is there a reason Squidburger's not for download?
It's not? Lemme fix that.
Also, let me check which ones still need doing.
Ok, you should be able to download Squid's now.
Also, this one might work, if you wanted to record it:
Quote from: CorvidiaMy memory is kind of fuzzy. What did I do yesterday? Or last week? I can't really remember. I think it's the pills the spider gives me, but I'm not sure. I don't really want to stop taking them, so does it matter anyway? I suppose I can live with a bad memory if it means I can be happy and warm for the moment.
But sometimes, sometimes when I miss a dose, the world snaps into sharp focus and I know what I've been doing with my life and I see all time time I've wasted in front of glowing screens. I hear the cold wind that blows through the web and the glowing box snows. I can't bear the chill and I can't bear the now loud, harsh hissing of the glowing box. I scramble for my pills, frantically popping open the lid with my thumb as I grab it.
And then, later, before the pills kick in, the spiders come to visit me. There, there, they say while I shake in the aftermath of something I'm beginning to forget. Just remember to take them on time, ok?
Sounds good. Job for tomorrow possible.
I still have a few things in the queue, and I'm gonna be remixing some Frost Heaves tracks as well. No rush.
LMNO I have a couple takes of the last line for you. I just need to get around to getting them off my thingy and getting them to you.
:lmnuendo:
Goddamnit. :argh!:
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 07, 2011, 04:42:49 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on April 07, 2011, 01:17:21 AM
SIX MOTHERFUCKING MINUTES FROM EOC.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
last song on the list.
Fuck, that one took a long time, believe it or not.
Whoa. Suddenly my goofy ass voice sounds heavy.
Cool, LMNO.
Wow...THAT sounds ultrafuckingcool, man. Your voice is NOT goofy...ass. :D It's very awesome.
Hee hee. Am lovin' it.
Cordivia's rant (featuring Suu) is now up at http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898 . It's rant number 19.
I did n't realize I had stacked two piano pieces next to each other, but what the hell.
If that link doesn't work for you, the main page is at http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject.
If there's any left, I'm in.
There are plenty.
Go here http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=22326.0
Cross-reference what's been written with what's been recorded.
Choose one.
Send me a file of you reading it.
I'll get to it eventually.
I will have to check this out when I'm not still on the clock.
Meat up stories have affected my listening experience.
Listening to 'was I dreaming that' and all I wanted to hear was 'I am American and I have rights.'
Which is quite odd, since Triple Zero had nothing to do with that one. That's a LMNO/Payne collab.
Dammnit. I'll hush now.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 03, 2011, 11:11:23 AM
Cordivia's rant (featuring Suu) is now up at http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898 . It's rant number 19.
:mittens:
You had an audience of 5 yesterday (me, suu, luna, richter and schwarzwälderkirschtorte)
it's awesome! kind of like a beat poem. I especially liked the ending.
Like this one. Suu did awesome, and I liked the instrumentation.
I sound very much like a Long Islander in that one, methinks. Fuck. I thought I shook that accent 20 years ago.
Which is why I thought building a standard canon at the fifth would be a nice juxtaposition.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on June 06, 2011, 01:52:13 PM
Which is why I thought building a standard canon at the fifth would be a nice juxtaposition.
I thought it worked very well.
Quote from: Your Evil Stepmother on June 04, 2011, 10:59:49 PM
I sound very much like a Long Islander in that one, methinks. Fuck. I thought I shook that accent 20 years ago.
Once LI gets to you, there's no shaking it. It's like herpes.
Before the last few months of my highschool years, when I found that campus out at Southampton, I never ever would have thought I'd follow in family footsteps and go to school there. Now I'm looking at grad school options there. :lulz:
Both of my parents still have prominent Long Island accents, not as much as they used to, but it's still there. My sister has a Rhode Island accent, we're not entirely sure how that happened, but she came out not being able to say her R's properly despite being the ONE TRUE CRACKER out of the entire family.
I guess mine came back being around all these goddamn cawksuckahs, after I worked so hard to get rid of it. :(
Bump. Because I felt like listening....
At long last, a new track. http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898 The new one's number 11: "Spider Rant 11 - Jim - Maybe I'm Wrong".
Free streaming and downloading available.
downloading, will lsiten later, then tell you how awesome it is :)
I liked it
SWEET! Sounds awesome, too...
And a quicker follow-up, Phox, Rant 32 - "That Sound Again".
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
As per usual, free stream/download.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 23, 2011, 09:31:24 PM
And a quicker follow-up, Phox, Rant 32 - "That Sound Again".
http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_songs/614898
As per usual, free stream/download.
Sweet! I really liked the way you cut it and the outro was really good. Actually, I thought the whole thing was well done, but the fade out really... er, struck a chord. :oops:
:) This looks really neat! posting to keep tabs and go through it whEn I have a bit more time than I have ATM.
Rant 10, courtesy of RWHN... http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject
Yeah, trying to stay humble.
Listen to it or perish, assholes.
:mittens:
And not just because it was mine. It has a great ear-feel to it.
Bad-ass! I love that this is still coming out, bit by bit. You're a superhero, LMNO.
That was delightfully creepy.
Listening now .. It reminds me a bit of that NIN track, I think from the Y34RZ3R0 remixes album. It's the phone-filtered whispering, probably.
Ok it's finished. I didn't pay attention to the lyrics sorry :) But I liked it! Will listen again :)
(... I tried looking for the track but I don't have the album near and Youtube didn't help either)
"Zeroes and Ones", probably.
I tend to wear my influences rather blatantly; although I usually don't realize it at the time.
Good stuff LMNO.
13 Caban {Earth /I haz end
iZ that allowed under the new Rule
Glad you liked it!
(since I don't know what that post means, I'm just going using that as a default assumption)
(LMNO, yes it was
zeroes and ones)
Quote from: hirley0 on February 23, 2012, 03:58:44 AM
13 Caban {Earth /I haz end
I think this means he's obtained a doomsday device that can end the Earth.
Quote from: hirley0iZ that allowed under the new Rule
And wants to know whether that's okay with everybody.
Well Hirley0, I could start a poll thread for you, see what people think?
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 23, 2012, 04:45:21 PM
(LMNO, yes it was zeroes and ones)
Quote from: hirley0 on February 23, 2012, 03:58:44 AM
13 Caban {Earth /I haz end
I think this means he's obtained a doomsday device that can end the Earth.
Quote from: hirley0iZ that allowed under the new Rule
And wants to know whether that's okay with everybody.
Well Hirley0, I could start a poll thread for you, see what people think?
:lol:
Hey Nigel, are you still willing to narrate your Spider rants?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 24, 2012, 01:05:21 AM
Hey Nigel, are you still willing to narrate your Spider rants?
yes... I completely forgot about it, but yes, I am. Probably not until Spring Break though, is the only thing.
Would you mind terribly PMing me a link to the thread?
Wow. It's been a really long time since I updated this.
However, thanks to my friends at Winter Hill Death Cult, we have another Spiders track, written by Cainad.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject/song/17375369-spider-rant-15-cainad-crawls-out
Hopefully, this will be motivation to get rest of these finished.
Holy crap, it's really been over a fucking year?
What the hell happened?
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 21, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
Holy crap, it's really been over a fucking year?
What the hell happened?
Same thing that happened to LOBB. :lulz:
"I'm just on a short hiatus".
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on May 21, 2013, 06:09:54 PM
Wow. It's been a really long time since I updated this.
However, thanks to my friends at Winter Hill Death Cult, we have another Spiders track, written by Cainad.
http://www.reverbnation.com/thespiderproject/song/17375369-spider-rant-15-cainad-crawls-out
Hopefully, this will be motivation to get rest of these finished.
Oh my god.
This is so damn
cool. You consistently manage to turn my weird writing voice into something that's listenable (I hate reading my own stuff out loud most of the time).
This is fucking kick-ass, LMNO. I think I wet myself.
Fuck me sideways! That was fucking awesome!