WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE?
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/04/daily_pledge_of_allegiance_req.html
DON'T MAKE ME TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND.
OHOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEE!
:teabagger1:
We said the Pledge of Allegiance every day in my school. Only towards the end of my senior year did it become a problem. Kids started rising up . . . and getting detention and then suspension. Apparently if you don't say it, you're an un-American commie-pinko faggot bastard or something. And if you DO say it, then you're a Patriotic hero of my little ponies and stars spring from your twat dispensing truth, justice, and seasonally appropriate confetti.
I didn't really care one way or the other. It was just another bullshit part of school and one of the least irritating ones at that.
The pledge itself is meaningless because it's swearing an oath to be loyal to one country above all others, made by little kids who know nothing of world affairs, have no understanding of political events HERE, and in most cases have never even been to another country, much less lived there. IOW, they can't make an informed choice. It's like making a bunch of eight year olds say marriage vows to somebody they haven't even met.
Everybody's OK with that because it doesn't mean anything, anyway. Like CPD said, it's just another bullshit part of school. You just have to SAY it, not mean it or understand the implications. It sends a really bullshit message to kids about giving their word (with hand over heart) but nobody seems to give a fuck about that.
"SAY THE SHIT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEAN IT, JUST SAY IT OR ELSE."
What the SHIT
I know my state is 99.9% inbred rednecks, but I didn't expect THIS.
It struck me as a Texas/Florida/Alabama/Mississippi thing too.
What I remember of Oregon is mostly hippies and winos, not THOSE.
Oh, it hasn't passed yet. It's just some wingnut bullshit being reported by the Oregonian, a newspaper so bullshit that they can't give it away. It won't pass.
There has NEVER been a law requiring the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools in my entire life. I mean, Oregon is insane and inbred as fuck, it was illegal to be black here until like 1950, but it's also so fiercely individualistic that it won't even put fucking fluoride in the water and all the poor people are dying from tooth-decay-related heart failure. This state is insane in a completely different way. The rep proposing this bill is from MEDFORD, which is basically Oregon's Bakersfield but more inbred.
So Medford wants to be part of Arizona. I would let them, and I would give them all back to Mexico if I could.
Oh, and NOBODY has noticed that the fucking author is so illiterate that they mention a place called "Rouge River", which DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST YOU INBRED HILLBILLY PIECE OF SHIT.
I can't access the comments AT ALL. I'm blocked. Those fucking tweaked out motherfuckers.
It'll be good practice for the future, when they have to say other irrelevant bullshit they don't mean for no good reason.
Quote from: Cain on April 28, 2013, 06:36:07 PM
It'll be good practice for the future, when they have to say other irrelevant bullshit they don't mean for no good reason.
You just summed up the state's biggest newspaper in one perfectly concise sentence.
Oh, and then it DID pass. Really, fuckers? Fuck.
I am happy to note that my old family friend and State rep for my district was the guy who spoke out most harshly against it.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
What the SHIT
I know my state is 99.9% inbred rednecks, but I didn't expect THIS.
:fnord: (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33947.msg1257178.html#msg1257178) 99.44%
Quote from: hirley0 on April 28, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
What the SHIT
I know my state is 99.9% inbred rednecks, but I didn't expect THIS.
:fnord: (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,33947.msg1257178.html#msg1257178) 99.44%
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 06:50:47 PM
Quote from: Cain on April 28, 2013, 06:36:07 PM
It'll be good practice for the future, when they have to say other irrelevant bullshit they don't mean for no good reason.
You just summed up the state's biggest newspaper in one perfectly concise sentence.
I was thinking job interviews, but yes.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 28, 2013, 08:15:56 AM
We said the Pledge of Allegiance every day in my school. Only towards the end of my senior year did it become a problem. Kids started rising up . . . and getting detention and then suspension. Apparently if you don't say it, you're an un-American commie-pinko faggot bastard or something. And if you DO say it, then you're a Patriotic hero of my little ponies and stars spring from your twat dispensing truth, justice, and seasonally appropriate confetti.
I didn't really care one way or the other. It was just another bullshit part of school and one of the least irritating ones at that.
I have my Junior High Principal to thank for cementing my will like no one else ever could.
By 8th grade I had decided I would sit for the pledge.
By 9th I grew the balls to do it. There were a few of us. I don't know I could have done it on my own. There was a gulf war and stuff--it made it easier.
My Principal was not pleased. He called us out in the middle of a school assembly. Accused us of being disrespectful. Trying to show off. Something along those lines. It fucking sucked.
I learned then and there that I had a choice between sucking it up and being a fucking hypocrite, or sucking it up and being derided and shamed. He didn't cement my will to never be a hypocrite. He cemented my will to suck it up.
Fuck anybody who forces that choice on kids.
Quote from: NoLeDeMiel on April 28, 2013, 08:31:15 PM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 28, 2013, 08:15:56 AM
We said the Pledge of Allegiance every day in my school. Only towards the end of my senior year did it become a problem. Kids started rising up . . . and getting detention and then suspension. Apparently if you don't say it, you're an un-American commie-pinko faggot bastard or something. And if you DO say it, then you're a Patriotic hero of my little ponies and stars spring from your twat dispensing truth, justice, and seasonally appropriate confetti.
I didn't really care one way or the other. It was just another bullshit part of school and one of the least irritating ones at that.
I have my Junior High Principal to thank for cementing my will like no one else ever could.
By 8th grade I had decided I would sit for the pledge.
By 9th I grew the balls to do it. There were a few of us. I don't know I could have done it on my own. There was a gulf war and stuff--it made it easier.
My Principal was not pleased. He called us out in the middle of a school assembly. Accused us of being disrespectful. Trying to show off. Something along those lines. It fucking sucked.
I learned then and there that I had a choice between sucking it up and being a fucking hypocrite, or sucking it up and being derided and shamed. He didn't cement my will to never be a hypocrite. He cemented my will to suck it up.
Fuck anybody who forces that choice on kids.
Shitty situation, no doubt.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Oh, and then it DID pass. Really, fuckers? Fuck.
I am happy to note that my old family friend and State rep for my district was the guy who spoke out most harshly against it.
WELCOME
TO
ARIZONA
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Oh, and then it DID pass. Really, fuckers? Fuck.
I am happy to note that my old family friend and State rep for my district was the guy who spoke out most harshly against it.
WELCOME
TO
ARIZONA
Or Texas. Or Florida.
Quote from: stelz on April 29, 2013, 03:28:53 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 28, 2013, 07:06:26 PM
Oh, and then it DID pass. Really, fuckers? Fuck.
I am happy to note that my old family friend and State rep for my district was the guy who spoke out most harshly against it.
WELCOME
TO
ARIZONA
Or Texas. Or Florida.
Also Arizona.
QuoteFrederick ended his remarks by quoting folks singer John Prine: "The flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."
That's great. :lol:
In high school we said the pledge every day as well as a moment of silence for praying. I never said the pledge nor cared about it. It was just a couple of minutes for my friends and I to shoot the shit during class. It always seemed very child indoctrination-esque/culty to me. Looking back I wonder how many of my classmates get hard-ons seeing a flag lapel pin on a politician now because of saying the pledge every day though. I mean it has to work on at least some kids, right?
Personally, I see nothing wrong with legally forcing minors to swear fealty to a society that's systematically fucking them over.
We had the pledge every day. I stopped saying it around 2nd or 3rd grade because I thought it was stupid.
Never did have a teacher complain about it though.
Quote from: Sita on April 29, 2013, 03:27:54 PM
We had the pledge every day. I stopped saying it around 2nd or 3rd grade because I thought it was stupid.
Never did have a teacher complain about it though.
Same here. But in 6th grade homeroom, I had a teacher who said that anyone who didn't feel like saying it could remain seated if they chose. I ran into him when I was in high school, and that came up. He said that the pledge in and of itself was un-American and contrary to everything the founders had said. It's basically a holdover from the 50s, when the same sort of MAKE EVERYONE LISTEN TO US mentality that we have today was running wild in the nation.
You know, when they threw people in jail for unpopular political ideologies, etc.
Quote from: Aucoq on April 29, 2013, 01:33:30 PM
QuoteFrederick ended his remarks by quoting folks singer John Prine: "The flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore."
That's great. :lol:
In high school we said the pledge every day as well as a moment of silence for praying. I never said the pledge nor cared about it. It was just a couple of minutes for my friends and I to shoot the shit during class. It always seemed very child indoctrination-esque/culty to me. Looking back I wonder how many of my classmates get hard-ons seeing a flag lapel pin on a politician now because of saying the pledge every day though. I mean it has to work on at least some kids, right?
Lew is fucking awesome. He's an old family friend, as well as being my district's rep.
Quote from: The Johnny on April 28, 2013, 07:15:42 AM
OHOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEE!
:teabagger1:
I still say that girl in the bottom right hand corner is gonna kill all of those fuckers, one fine day.
ABOUT
fuckin time something happens here to shake things up.
AND
it's as shocking as a piece of toast.
LOVE
the notion that being asked to recite the pledge is like being bullied.
FUCK
And then she's gonna EAT 'em.
Quote from: E.O.T. on April 30, 2013, 09:18:30 PM
ABOUT
fuckin time something happens here to shake things up.
AND
it's as shocking as a piece of toast.
LOVE
the notion that being asked to recite the pledge is like being bullied.
FUCK
Of course. There's absolutely nothing wrong with coercing children to pledge allegiance to a nation that is fucking them over from birth.
It's just fine.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 09:13:46 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on April 28, 2013, 07:15:42 AM
OHOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEE!
:teabagger1:
I still say that girl in the bottom right hand corner is gonna kill all of those fuckers, one fine day.
Hopefully soon.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: E.O.T. on April 30, 2013, 09:18:30 PM
ABOUT
fuckin time something happens here to shake things up.
AND
it's as shocking as a piece of toast.
LOVE
the notion that being asked to recite the pledge is like being bullied.
FUCK
Of course. There's absolutely nothing wrong with coercing children to pledge allegiance to a nation that is fucking them over from birth.
It's just fine.
Sort of like there's nothing wrong with one inmate expecting his "girlfriend" to call him "Big Daddy" after a little prison rape.
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
BECAUSE
The one thing that makes America worth having is "Fuck you, I don't give a shit".
IF
I answer the draft, report to jury duty, and pay my taxes
THEN
That's all the fucking loyalty the USA needs.
PD (the WHOLE THING) supports separatism because some of us think that using the arm of the law to enforce a ritual of obedience is a bit fucked? :lulz:
:troll:
Quote from: Cainad on May 01, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
PD (the WHOLE THING) supports separatism because some of us think that using the arm of the law to enforce a ritual of obedience is a bit fucked? :lulz:
:troll:
Also, I have to share the country with shit like this:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/30/man-loses-life-savings-at-carnival-but-wins-giant-banana-with-dreadlocks/
Quote from: Cainad on May 01, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
PD (the WHOLE THING) supports separatism because some of us think that using the arm of the law to enforce a ritual of obedience is a bit fucked? :lulz:
:troll:
WELL
every person one meets on the street may agree to that notion, but it is meaningless
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
BECAUSE
The one thing that makes America worth having is "Fuck you, I don't give a shit".
IF
I answer the draft, report to jury duty, and pay my taxes
THEN
That's all the fucking loyalty the USA needs.
THAT
strikes me as a shitty attitude
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 01:17:32 AM
Quote from: Cainad on May 01, 2013, 12:46:31 AM
PD (the WHOLE THING) supports separatism because some of us think that using the arm of the law to enforce a ritual of obedience is a bit fucked? :lulz:
:troll:
WELL
every person one meets on the street may agree to that notion, but it is meaningless
So is the pledge, except as a means of conditioning people to accept authority.
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
BECAUSE
The one thing that makes America worth having is "Fuck you, I don't give a shit".
IF
I answer the draft, report to jury duty, and pay my taxes
THEN
That's all the fucking loyalty the USA needs.
THAT
strikes me as a shitty attitude
But that's the awesome part. I get to have my shitty attitude whether you like it or not, and you can be just as civic-minded as YOU please. Thing is, I won't tell you to be shitty, and you don't tell me to be all patriotic.
I spent enough time in uniform to see how this country gets the bills paid and, frankly, it isn't worth the corn in my shit.
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
Well, to begin with, pledging allegiance to the flag is pledging allegiance to the regime, not to the people. If you happen to disagree with the regime, it's a forced lie under duress. I am not super down with my kids being forced to pledge allegiance to a surveillance regime which makes free use of torture and indefinite detainment, in violation of its own constitution.
Yes, it is all pretty much just symbolic, but symbolism can be meaningful and it can have an effect on the way we think.
The first definition Merrian-Webster gives for "allegiance" is "the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegiance).
HAR HAR.
Quote from: stelz on May 01, 2013, 04:38:14 AM
The first definition Merrian-Webster gives for "allegiance" is "the obligation of a feudal vassal to his liege lord" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allegiance).
HAR HAR.
:lulz: How appropriate.
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 01:20:45 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:39:07 AM
Quote from: E.O.T. on May 01, 2013, 12:36:17 AM
IT SEEMS
to go against most sense to want to eat old nasty meat, even in the most dire times.
I AM
as surprised, as is every person i've spoken to about this new ruling. i don't understand why people would be upset by this, except for juvenile reasons. We are citizens of the United States, why would we not pledge our allegiance to the flag we stand as citizens under?
I WAS NOT
aware that p.d. supported separatist motions against/ within/ for the United States. I think that is very interesting, however incredibly unlikely.
BECAUSE
The one thing that makes America worth having is "Fuck you, I don't give a shit".
IF
I answer the draft, report to jury duty, and pay my taxes
THEN
That's all the fucking loyalty the USA needs.
THAT
strikes me as a shitty attitude
Tell it to Mark Twain. What's shitty about questioning leadership at every level, at every age? How is their trust earned? By the colors of a flag waved over countless bodies? If they want my allegiance they should do something to earn it, it doesn't come automatically. That's largely what's wrong with everyone. They just go with the rank flow.
Or tell it to Thomas Paine.
Oh snap, 1700's.
America's over, folks. Nothing to see here, move along...