Principia Discordia

I've been considering the feasaibility of HIMEOBS a raid on these guys for a while now.

1) They're conspiratards, like Reptilian crowd.  When you raid them, they immediately assume you are paid shills of the New World Order/Zionists/internationalists/bankers/reptilians/Illuminati/sodomite aliens from Zeta Reticuli etc  This is amusing to me.

2) The mods don't seem to do much.  Plus, while the forum is relatively fast moving, it is shittily coded.  I very much doubt flood control exists, and we can see the effects of our flood attacks far more easily.

3) Those of us already over there can, once the assault has finished, come up with all sort of outlandish conspiracy theories to feed the membership there about HIMEOBS' aim.  If we say something like they are anti-Ron Paul activists, it'll likely generate a few PaulBots interest, and maybe some attention from that area.

The only problems I can see are organizing things this end, and that pictures are not allowed.  We could just use text, but I'd rather we had some HIMEOBS ASCII artwork to hit the place with, along with more usual ones you can get via Encyclopedia Dramatica etc

Questions & comments?

Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2008, 04:47:08 PM
I've been considering the feasaibility of HIMEOBS a raid on these guys for a while now.

1) They're conspiratards, like Reptilian crowd.  When you raid them, they immediately assume you are paid shills of the New World Order/Zionists/internationalists/bankers/reptilians/Illuminati/sodomite aliens from Zeta Reticuli etc  This is amusing to me.

2) The mods don't seem to do much.  Plus, while the forum is relatively fast moving, it is shittily coded.  I very much doubt flood control exists, and we can see the effects of our flood attacks far more easily.

3) Those of us already over there can, once the assault has finished, come up with all sort of outlandish conspiracy theories to feed the membership there about HIMEOBS' aim.  If we say something like they are anti-Ron Paul activists, it'll likely generate a few PaulBots interest, and maybe some attention from that area.

The only problems I can see are organizing things this end, and that pictures are not allowed.  We could just use text, but I'd rather we had some HIMEOBS ASCII artwork to hit the place with, along with more usual ones you can get via Encyclopedia Dramatica etc

Questions & comments?

Sounds like a GODlike GASM and maybe a good first field trip if we start throwing out serious recruiting links today and tomorrow, then plan the raid for this weekend?

Maybe a quick howto on proxy, tools and trolling? I can help wherever necessary... well assuming I can get this damned video embedded in the ColbertGASM entry on the Wiki... [[embedvideo]] seems like a non working tag.

Actually, recruiting first might be a good idea.  Discordians, for some reason, are generally respected in the conspiracy community, especially among amateurs.

Since we normally have to crater places we recruit from anyway, doing it like this will just mean we have proper plans in place.

Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2008, 05:04:16 PM
Actually, recruiting first might be a good idea.  Discordians, for some reason, are generally respected in the conspiracy community, especially among amateurs.

Since we normally have to crater places we recruit from anyway, doing it like this will just mean we have proper plans in place.

Muhahahahahahaha

I'm down. Can you give us some background on this place?

Roger posted a bunch of links of hijinks going down there, right?


ooh - and they allow anonymous posting, right?

Semi-anonymous.  You have an ID number assigned, probably by session and IP.  But since when has that ever been a problem, right...?

Lots of Ron Paul fans.

Lots of people into chemtrails, New Age stuff, UFOs, Federal Bank, strange weather etc  Its essentially conspiracy theorism only without the really heavyweight in depth writing etc, so it tends to shrill and ad hominem instead of research and discussion.

Its a clean sight, like sfw? 

Quote from: Cain on January 24, 2008, 04:47:08 PM


Questions & comments?

I've been trolling them for weeks.  They have the thinnest skin in the world.

It's great fun.  I recommend it highly.

So what are some weak points? Any discussions that usually lead to drama?

Who are the power-users and what are their buttons?


is there an approach that is more favorable than others?
ie
- is it better to become "one of them" first, to gain credibility?
-or do you catch more flies with vinegar, going in guns blazing, calling people out?


I've only spent about an hour trolling around on there. I think I even have an account. My limited impression was that due to the quasi-anonyminity, flames seem to be the tone. No pussyfooting around!

Quote from: Professor Cramulus on January 25, 2008, 01:24:33 AM
So what are some weak points? Any discussions that usually lead to drama?

Who are the power-users and what are their buttons?


is there an approach that is more favorable than others?
ie
- is it better to become "one of them" first, to gain credibility?
-or do you catch more flies with vinegar, going in guns blazing, calling people out?


I've only spent about an hour trolling around on there. I think I even have an account. My limited impression was that due to the quasi-anonyminity, flames seem to be the tone. No pussyfooting around!

Just go on and talk Ron Paul down.

Then step back and watch the yahoos holler!

(http://static.flickr.com/86/228812315_b45b29f444_m.jpg)

Quote from: East Coast Hustle on January 25, 2008, 05:36:47 AM
(http://static.flickr.com/86/228812315_b45b29f444_m.jpg)

LOL, black dude's in the back. Racist.

Quote from: Diseris on January 25, 2008, 01:10:25 AM
Its a clean sight, like sfw? 

Pretty much.  Although a lot of "where's the tower, where's the gun" types that employers may not appreciate.  There are no images on the forum, except for the site logo (gray alien) so pretty sfw.

QuoteI've been trolling them for weeks.  They have the thinnest skin in the world.

It's great fun.  I recommend it highly.

Rata wants to try some recruitment first.  Since you've been there longest, do you think any of them show real potential?  I've noticed a couple of the Ron Paul fans who've sensibly engaged with you seem pretty alright, but there are far too many guests in the threads I post in to get any real idea about possible people.

Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2008, 11:36:54 AM

Quote from: Diseris on January 25, 2008, 01:10:25 AM
Its a clean sight, like sfw? 

Pretty much.  Although a lot of "where's the tower, where's the gun" types that employers may not appreciate.  There are no images on the forum, except for the site logo (gray alien) so pretty sfw.

QuoteI've been trolling them for weeks.  They have the thinnest skin in the world.

It's great fun.  I recommend it highly.

Rata wants to try some recruitment first.  Since you've been there longest, do you think any of them show real potential?  I've noticed a couple of the Ron Paul fans who've sensibly engaged with you seem pretty alright, but there are far too many guests in the threads I post in to get any real idea about possible people.

Oh ah, I had meant recruiting from existing resources and using the site as the first "field trip"... not recruiting from the site... but then maybe that would be LOLful too.

Either/or.  That sounds better, actually.

Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2008, 05:42:47 PM
Either/or.  That sounds better, actually.

W00t. Do we have documentation/essays or anything to walk people through setting up the basics for a bombardment?

We need ASCII graphics first.  That's an absolute.  Not much fun raiding without them.  However, if its going to be a GASM, then perhaps we should look at using Discordian rants and symbology, including Golden Apples, Fnords and the like.  If someone could whip up some large ASCII graphics and decent texts for use in that, it would be a start.

Next we need real time coordination....the IRC chat room would be the best place to use for that.  We'd need to show people how to get in there.  We also need a set time for the raid to take place, preferably a time when east coast, west coast and UKers might be able to take part.

Finally, we need to teach people the basics about proxies.  Nothing fancy, but how to hook up to Tor, use manual ones and CGI in order to avoid bans.

I'm up for being recruited... Might need to be walked through this though.

I'm down provided the training Cain just mentioned goes down, because I doubt I'd be much help without it.

If we put a HOW TO TROLL section on the OMGASM wiki, what would it's Table of Contents be?

maybe something like

-the trolling essay on types of trolling (will dig up and link if necessary)
-I did it for the lulz from E.D.?
-remaining anonymous using Tor and Proxies
-some example screenshots of awesome trolls

I can whip up something from the HIMEOBS training manual, but it'll take a while to sort through it all.  Probably until tomorrow.

If we're going to make it a larger raid (GASM style) we might want to consider who we will approach in the meantime.

Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2008, 06:37:10 PM
I can whip up something from the HIMEOBS training manual, but it'll take a while to sort through it all.  Probably until tomorrow.

If we're going to make it a larger raid (GASM style) we might want to consider who we will approach in the meantime.

Agreed. This should also have a Wiki entry so we can direct our hand picked recruits to it over the next couple days and then coordinate the attack.

http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Trolling

This is somewhat messy right now.  I'm going to have lunch, then take a crack at formatting it.  Its also very long, but roughly laid out in order of usefulness.

Quote from: Cain on January 25, 2008, 05:52:20 PMWe need ASCII graphics first.  That's an absolute.  Not much fun raiding without them.  However, if its going to be a GASM, then perhaps we should look at using Discordian rants and symbology, including Golden Apples, Fnords and the like.  If someone could whip up some large ASCII graphics and decent texts for use in that, it would be a start.

http://s23.org/wiki/ASCII_art (big nude "eris" ascii, though it's not really eris, but a rather famous oldskool ascii nude with HAIL ERIS written below it, but blah)
http://www.asciiartfarts.com/20020323.html (sacred chao)
http://www.chris.com/ascii/ (a whole bunch of ascii art, no discordian, but there are a couple of "Bob" asciis)
http://www.chris.com/ascii/art/html/tools.html (toolbox!!)
http://www.ascii-art.de/ascii/ (even more ascii art)

.. BUT these ASCIIs will look like shit because you need a monospaced font for them, which is not available on that forum (i tried [ font=Courier] but it ignored the tag -- good for them, i suppose).

but there are also "MSN-style" ASCIIs out there that work with proportionally spaced fonts. i just doubt there will be much erisiania out there.

then again, ASCII-art used to be a big "scene", and is probably still alive. it would really surprise me if there aren't any discordian ASCII-artists out there.

correction: they seem to have a [ code ] tag, which might give a monospaced font. i'll try it out later.

apart from that, a quick recon shows that they have a LOT of different smileys, so you could easily ITT the board using all their smileys.

also it is possible to post youtube vids and google vids inline (you have to click to play though).

yeah, suspicion confirmed, surround your ASCII with [code ] tags and it will appear monospaced, so ASCII-art away! :D

This sounds rather fun.

One of the tactics my WWIV home board used to use when we trolled FIDOnet was the insidious threadjack; four or five of us would gradually start having an in-depth conversation, across threads, about some pre-chosen topic, preferably something we knew a mod was intensely interested in or passionate about. The more threads we could get turned to this topic before being caught on to, the more lulz. There was one guy who was so pissed off by this, by the time he figured it out, that mentioning a kite would immediately enrage him. 'Twas funny.

I would be interested.....

sounds like fun!  :D

Cain, are you coordinating this? If so where should we be sending new recruits?

I'm going to finish editing the Trolling page today.

I suggest sending them to the #discord chat room when advertising.  Its the best place for them.

I'll draw up a list of possible places to inform, and pick a time, and make some graphics.

I'm in.  I will need to review the "training" page but I'm up for something, getting rather boring in my little life these days!

http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Trolling

Given a little more time, I'll include a troll "starter pack" of useful downloads.

OK, I've finished the trolling page, avec downloads (2 links).

I'll get to work on the propaganda now.

Quote from: Cain on January 29, 2008, 04:53:47 PM
OK, I've finished the trolling page, avec downloads (2 links).

I'll get to work on the propaganda now.

Do you have any proxy info that would be ueful from behind Websense? Currently Tor fails for obvious reasons and I'm having no luck building an SSH tunnel to forward the Tor stuff. (I don't think it likes being proxied as a proxy ;-))

Hmm...have you tried using website translation pages to get to the site in question?  They can act as cheap proxies and may not be blocked.

I never really had to fight Websense so I'm not sure how good it is.  The only similar program I had to face had blocks on searching certain terms, so it was easily tricked, but from my reading that does not seem to be the case here.

Quote from: Cain on January 29, 2008, 05:34:41 PM
Hmm...have you tried using website translation pages to get to the site in question?  They can act as cheap proxies and may not be blocked.

I never really had to fight Websense so I'm not sure how good it is.  The only similar program I had to face had blocks on searching certain terms, so it was easily tricked, but from my reading that does not seem to be the case here.

Good idea... I can get to most of the sites in question just fine, just not through any proxy service... I'll have to play around and see if a translation site would cover my tracks well enough. Maybe I'll use it to poke at one of my sites and then check the logs.

Thanks for the idea.

As for websense, it does a couple things, it blocks specific sites and it blocks sites with keywords (like proxy). I think I just need to find a useful list of open web proxies and I'll be fine... of course searching for open proxies is also blocked by the damned software. Sadly, Websense is one of the few security tools here that I don't have my hands on. :(

Translation may not allow you to login on an account (it'll keep logging you out), but since GLP has guest posting, that is not a problem.

I used to know a couple of unblocked proxy sites, a couple of years ago, but they seem to be all banned now.

Yo, the trolling page looks great, Cain.

Quote from: Professor Cramulus on January 30, 2008, 01:11:52 AM
Yo, the trolling page looks great, Cain.

Agreed. Question--in Browsers > Firefox, should it be "multiple tabs" (currently "tags")?

Opps, probably.

I should proof read these things more often.

I run Mozilla Firefox with the Tor addon.  This masks my IP just fine.  I have tried to join the GLP website and it will not allow me to join with Tor running.  It always comes back with a message saying that my IP is banned.  I have used TOR to switch to a new identity but it always comes back with the message I mentioned before.  This confuses me..... :(

ETA:  It does allow me to join with my real IP but I haven't done that as of yet. 

Help?

It might be that all the nodes have been banned already.

Try a website like www.proxy.org.

Also, with GLP, I wouldn't bother signing up.  Posting as a guest will be more than sufficient.

that's odd, the tests i had done (with the fonts etc) were done via Tor and it worked fine.

but i didn't register, just post anonymously.

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/53/gasm1largexl1.jpg)

What do you think?  Size aside?

Brilliant! Ok. We have training material, we have a real-world Lab environment (LOL) and (I'm guessing) Cain is willing to lead this foray.

So, we probably need a thread to point n00bs at (which doesn't contain the target's domain name) so we can get a roll call etc. I have pointed a few people to IRC but in one case, they had no idea what IRC was and in the other, they said that the logged in and it was dead...

It looks to me like we have all the balls in order... now its just a matter of physics and luck.

1. blurry but that's wha you meant by size, right?

2. the GASM logo is a semi-transparent PNG image, so on a white background it should not have a black rectangle

3. the word "raid" maybe sounds a bit too 4channish / Anonymous-like? how about "crusade" or uhm i dunno, something else?

4. what format is this going to be? if text/html, you can't use this font because people might not have it (although you can enter substitution fonts for that case), if it will be an image, people cannot click the links. at least make sure the links are entirely on one line in that case.

rat: about IRC we can also put up a few links that people can just click on, either IRCatwork or a pjirc java applet host somewhere (anywhere).
5. feb 2nd is in two days, can we get the word out that quickly?

but, i like it!

also good idea might be to re-issue a short reminder at the set time at all the places where this is spread, just to get the instant gratification crowd, "oh something is happening? let's take a look", get them to the IRC channel and talk them into joining right there right then.

Ratatosk:  Well, I was hoping that IRC would act as the main command centre for anyone wanting to take part.  This would be the the advertising, telling people what they needed to know, and hopefully they'd turn up either here on in IRC and from there on in we could coordinate.

000:

1) Yeah, mostly.  I have it both in pdf and .doc format, if anyone could figure out how to get a single, high quality screenshot/jpg of the entire page.

2) I like this one better, but OK.

3) Not really a Crusade though, either.  barely a Jihaad, although that could work.  Foray maybe, as well.

4) I think sooner is better than later.  If we say next Friday, I doubt anyone will show up.

This Saturday sounds great. and I agree with linking for IRC 000, that makes good sense.

Maybe we could call it a skirmish, mission (gasM) or just "Field Trip"?

- i could make the screenshot out of the pdf, but i'm leaving in a few moments, so it might be better if somebody else did it.

- if it's okay with faust i could even set up the java applet at http://principiadiscordia.com/irc or something. since an applet runs client side, it would use no bandwidth other than the code for the applet itself (around ~200k IIRC)

- for GASM, somebody just tag some relevant links with both "gasm" and "glpgasm" on del.icio.us and it'll appear on the feed automagically. we could even post screenshots to flickr if we wanna show off (but they'd have to be (incorrectly) marked as "photo" otherwise they don't seem to appear on public feeds, and i dunno if flickr likes that, i wouldn't use my own account for that, but a new one is easily made)

1) How about "strike"?

2) I'll upload the pdf with a couple of changes.

3) If not, mibbit.com works easily

4) sounds good.

5) Who should we invite?  EB&G and POEE are a given...23ae?  The Myspace groups?  I'll certainly post it up to my blog once it is finished.

http://mihd.net/4whiac

This is the .doc version.

mibbit.com looks SWOTE, thanks for the link!

i looked through the FAQ and the following link already has the server and channel filled in, for ease of use:

http://mibbit.com/?server=irc.maddshark.com&channel=%23discord

That link would be better to put in the raid poster then, because it would send them immediately there, regardless of technical skill.

February 2nd is a Saturday, not a Friday

Yeah, I realized that needed to be changed as well.  Edit: fixed http://mihd.net/fspk35

What is at the mihd link? That domain is also now blocked.

That was the updated, .doc version of the picture, so hopefully someone could edit it into something a bit nicer looking.

Damn, I have birthday parties all day Saturday.

I have a Cthulhu Live game to run Sat night, but I'll be on the first crew for sure :).

Will people be in the chat room to help n00bs throughout the day? I'm working on setting up a shell with Emacs IRC running, but till then I have no access during the day.

If so, I'll post the IRC link in some forums today.

What stuff is ready to blitz the poor unsuspecting Discordians with?

http://mibbit.com/?server=irc.maddshark.com&channel=%23discord

http://mihd.net/fspk35
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=OMGASM
http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Trolling

Is all of this ready for use as propaganda, or is final polishing still in process? I have posts ready and waiting for a GO.

I believe all of it is finished.  If you can make any improvements on the poster for the raids (a high quality jpg of the entire page, for example) that would be perfect, if not just use the text it contains.

Otherwise, its all ready, and I'm doing absolutely nothing on Saturday, so I can direct people around.

Secondly, I'll be drawing up some standard text files tomorrow for spamming use, which will be placed on BIP.  I'll hand those links out to recruits as I get them.

Just to add, for those advertising the strike on Saturday, take out the links to Godlikeproductions.  Keep the name in, just remove the link.  That way, hopefully no-one will shoot their trolling load early.

We've got 5 from EB&G, so far.

Should I post the above in my livejournal community?

Yes, please.

Done.

if I'm around, I'm down...let's burn these mothers down....

I will do my best to be around at the appropriate time.  Fuck em....... :evil:

http://www.poee.co.uk/bip/index.php?title=Text_files

13 text files for your usage.

http://theinvisiblecollege.com/pt.php

Remember to test your proxy with the POST test before raiding.

I may or may not be there.

Quote from: saint aini on February 02, 2008, 04:05:07 AM
http://theinvisiblecollege.com/pt.php

Remember to test your proxy with the POST test before raiding.

I may or may not be there.

Also...  don't forget to try Torcheck if you're using TOR

If you need help getting TOR to work right under windows, check out the Vidalia project


http://torcheck.xenobite.eu/
https://torcheck.xenobite.eu/

I ran Torcheck.  Tor is running successfully.   :evil: It does tell me that I might want to turn referer recording off, but I can't find where to do that.  Also, for people that run Tor... TorButton is a must addon.  With this handy little button that it puts on your browser, you can easily turn Tor on and off. 

Here is the link for those that may not have TorButton installed.

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/2275

I wouldn't bother with the proxy in the first strike.  It just slows you down, and what are they gonna do with it anyway?

for referers, there's probably a config setting, but this ffox extension gives you some more control: http://www.stardrifter.org/refcontrol/ -- just that if you don't know, i wonder if it's useful.

also i agree with Cain, unless you're planning something illegal, you dont need the proxy. on the slight chance you get an IP-ban, that would be the moment to switch to a proxy then.

I'll be on IRC at 12:30

I'll be on from 12:00 EST (5pm in the UK).  Right now I'm doing other stuff...

a bit late perhaps, but i tagged the relevant links on del.icio.us. who knows, it might fish one or two people.

they now also have been picked up by the GASMfeed:
http://elvicities.com/~ananames/gasmfeed.html

any photos (screenshots) uploaded to flickr tagged "glpgasm" will get added to the feed automagically.

I am ready and online :lulz:

T-minus 15:00 minutes until the strike.  If you're planning on joining, even if you turn up late, get on IRC and we'll help.

Sorry, I'm laet...let's do this thing...

ITS ON :D

(been on for a while)

it's fun even

screens will follow later

I'm over there, but was unable to get into chat at any point.

did you use
http://mibbit.com/?server=irc.maddshark.com&channel=%23discord

?

  :sad:   i couldnt make it.... how'd it go?

I missed it, but I am joining and attacking immediately.

Remember to tell them you are a Discordian/to beware Discordians.

Who was responsible for that Vegetarian vs. Meat-Eater war over there about a week or two ago?

Sounds like one of the POEE crew I invited.  Those are always fun.  Mix in abortion, the war in Iraq and the death penalty and you can create self-sustaining flame wars.