Butthurt is a funny thing. Everyone thinks that everyone else should be able to hear THEIR horrible truths, etc, without getting butthurt, but for fuck's sake, don't expose ME to THEIR shit, right? Also, everyone thinks everyone else's butthurt is silly and juvenile, but that THEIRS is a LEGITIMATE GRIPE.
So you have people who haven't spoken directly to each other in years, on account of ancient, dusty butthurt that only they remember the reason for (or maybe not).
Discordianism: We stick apart because there was never any other option. OOK!
Another great thing about butthurt is that it is the tar baby out of the old Uncle Remus story.
You get a bit of butthurt, so you lash out. And you get stuck in more of the butthurt. Then you start putting the boot in, and before you know it, you're immobilized by the butthurt which is, I'd like to add, a condition that exists only in your own head. You are essentially allowing yourself to be paralyzed by your monkey brain, which is obviously running your human brain around with a steering wheel jammed up its metaphorical arse.
It's really hard for me to give up a grudge. However, I do recognize that, so I really consider the situation before I decide to go Full Grudge.
Sadly, this is what makes me so sensible and suck an throwing a full wobbler, and why I suck at trolling.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 03, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
It's really hard for me to give up a grudge. However, I do recognize that, so I really consider the situation before I decide to go Full Grudge.
Sadly, this is what makes me so sensible and suck an throwing a full wobbler, and why I suck at trolling.
I am the opposite...I will go FULL FUCKING POTATO in a heartbeat, but by the next day, I've forgotten all about it. My grudges may have some level of infamy attached to them, but they're actually very rare. Hugh, Lauren, Eldora, Eric, Captain Utopia, Uncle BadTouch...That's really about it.
Rage is more satisfying than butthurt.
Eric...?
Maybe I'm brain farting, but I don't recall Eric. Was that Tent?
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:06:50 PM
Eric...?
Maybe I'm brain farting, but I don't recall Eric. Was that Tent?
Way before your time.
Look at members "Great Teacher Largo" and "Rupert Giles". Squick.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 03, 2013, 06:44:35 PM
It's really hard for me to give up a grudge. However, I do recognize that, so I really consider the situation before I decide to go Full Grudge.
Sadly, this is what makes me so sensible and suck an throwing a full wobbler, and why I suck at trolling.
Hear-hear!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:06:50 PM
Eric...?
Maybe I'm brain farting, but I don't recall Eric. Was that Tent?
Way before your time.
Look at members "Great Teacher Largo" and "Rupert Giles". Squick.
Regurgitated whiteboi Buddhism, a failed attempt to post your IP...
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:06:50 PM
Eric...?
Maybe I'm brain farting, but I don't recall Eric. Was that Tent?
Way before your time.
Look at members "Great Teacher Largo" and "Rupert Giles". Squick.
Regurgitated whiteboi Buddhism, a failed attempt to post your IP...
And, under "Eric", an attempt to put the moves on Medeo's 9 year old sister, followed by endless rationalizations as to why that sort of thing is okay.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:15:47 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
Quote from: stelz on April 03, 2013, 08:06:50 PM
Eric...?
Maybe I'm brain farting, but I don't recall Eric. Was that Tent?
Way before your time.
Look at members "Great Teacher Largo" and "Rupert Giles". Squick.
Regurgitated whiteboi Buddhism, a failed attempt to post your IP...
And, under "Eric", an attempt to put the moves on Medeo's 9 year old sister, followed by endless rationalizations as to why that sort of thing is okay.
EXPLOSIVE.
PROJECTILE.
VOMIT.
I must have misinterpreted something, because that sounded like someone knowingly hit on a 9 year old and then argued that it was an okay thing to do.
It takes a lot for me to "let 'er rip" on someone. Confrontation, conflict, generally make me turn inward. I either start assessing what I did wrong or how I might have been misunderstood. When all else fails, I exit: either because I'm hurt/insulted or pissed and no good can come of either of those or because I feel persecuted and hide.
I really don't troll much anymore because it requires SO MUCH ENERGY. In order to be any good at it, I have employ some "method actor" techniques where I get into a character role and abandon my own good sense. This is grrreat on the internet where the whole anonymity thing makes it easier to "pretend to be an asshole." I'm a better "lone wolf" troll because it's difficult to keep my shit straight when people who know me are in the same soup. At some point, it it feels like "just arguing" as a team sport.
A lot of my characters are like female "GIGGLES" characters ("look at mah bewbz!") who are rooted in fragments of my personality but I have my own gang of religious nuts, feminazis, militant-liberals and weirdos swimming around in here.
I made the mistake once of trying to introduce "drug liberty" rants in a Minutemen forum, using their own anti-government shit against them just to see where that went. It was easy because I was just taking a topic I cared about at that time and turning up the volume to induce cognitive dissonance. I was promptly walled out and shut down. Those fuckers are paranoid.
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 03, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
I must have misinterpreted something, because that sounded like someone knowingly hit on a 9 year old and then argued that it was an okay thing to do.
No, you nailed it in one.
He isn't here anymore, under any of his monikers.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:34:21 PM
I really don't troll much anymore because it requires SO MUCH ENERGY.
Lassitude breeds lassitude.
But to get back on-topic of Butthurt: I have some personal feelings about this here but if I out them, people are going to get butthurt.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:35:31 PM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:34:21 PM
I really don't troll much anymore because it requires SO MUCH ENERGY.
Lassitude breeds lassitude.
Fuck you. I had to look up lassitude.
And fuck. You're right.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:34:30 PM
Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on April 03, 2013, 08:31:47 PM
I must have misinterpreted something, because that sounded like someone knowingly hit on a 9 year old and then argued that it was an okay thing to do.
No, you nailed it in one.
He isn't here anymore, under any of his monikers.
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/126/314/3cd8a33a.png?1306264975)
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
But to get back on-topic of Butthurt: I have some personal feelings about this here but if I out them, people are going to get butthurt.
Well, now EVERYONE'S gonna be butthurt, because they will assume you mean them, even if you don't, so you may as well spew.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
But to get back on-topic of Butthurt: I have some personal feelings about this here but if I out them, people are going to get butthurt.
Then they deserve it. Big difference in butthurt and real pain.
Butthurt is self indulgence and attention whoring and should be inflicted and mocked well and often.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
But to get back on-topic of Butthurt: I have some personal feelings about this here but if I out them, people are going to get butthurt.
Well, now EVERYONE'S gonna be butthurt, because they will assume you mean them, even if you don't, so you may as well spew.
WELL...If you promise to try not to get butthurt (lol), I'll go into it at length as soon as I get back from picking up Lex.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:43:12 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 03, 2013, 08:40:38 PM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 03, 2013, 08:35:59 PM
But to get back on-topic of Butthurt: I have some personal feelings about this here but if I out them, people are going to get butthurt.
Well, now EVERYONE'S gonna be butthurt, because they will assume you mean them, even if you don't, so you may as well spew.
WELL...If you promise to try not to get butthurt (lol), I'll go into it at length as soon as I get back from picking up Lex.
I promise to do my best.
When it comes to butthurt, I simply don't have the effort.
If interacting with someone has become more hassle than it's worth, then I take the "oh well, stop" approach. A better man than me would take this on by refusing to get butthurt at all, forgiving those who trangress against him etc etc.
In my case, I just stop reading them. Stop interacting all together. If it's going to cause problems, and I'm not looking for problems, it is the better solution, for everyone involved. After a while, it becomes almost second nature, and you don't even have to work with it.
I have enough stress-inducing things in real life, without needing it online as well.
Quote from: Cain on April 03, 2013, 08:45:41 PM
When it comes to butthurt, I simply don't have the effort.
If interacting with someone has become more hassle than it's worth, then I take the "oh well, stop" approach. A better man than me would take this on by refusing to get butthurt at all, forgiving those who trangress against him etc etc.
In my case, I just stop reading them. Stop interacting all together. If it's going to cause problems, and I'm not looking for problems, it is the better solution, for everyone involved. After a while, it becomes almost second nature, and you don't even have to work with it.
I have enough stress-inducing things in real life, without needing it online as well.
I wouldn't equate refusing to get butthurt with forgiving.
More like, "Ah, fuck 'em."
I am BUTTHURT at the following people for the following reasons:
Stella - reminds me of shitty overpriced beer
navkat - not BUTTHURT but pre-emptively BUTTHURT for when she posts her things about BUTTHURT
Roger - a person hairier than I should not exist
LMNO - savage drumming is cracking the walls of the tenement I live in and making it hard to close the door
Luna - is over ten years my senior and LOOKS YOUNGER THAN I DO
Roger - drumming up rumors about the SECOND HALF OF THE JOKE
Ippie - you know what you did you bastard
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Roger - drank coffee in front of me on a day when I was abstaining from coffee
Cain - due to a variety of reasons I shan't go into presently, I found myself stranded in Nigeria bout a decade ago with my funds tied up in frozen accounts. I sent him an e-mail requesting a small amount just to get mys ass out of Africa and he didn't even fucking respond.
Gogira - name makes too light of the King of Monsters
Roger - just HAS to be on a list more times than anyone else
I can hardly be held responsible for your failure to deliver the second half of the joke, after you rigged the election. I mean, sure, the job LOOKS easy, EVERYONE'S job looks easy to EVERYONE ELSE. But then you GOT the job, and it wasn't so easy, was it? NO. And then you were forced to get the fuck out of dodge on Jimmy Carter's lear jet, like all those Haitian generals, back during Clinton's term.
You can't control the people unless you control the military, and they won't come out of the barracks if you DON'T HAVE THE PUNCHLINE.
If it's any comfort, I hate that fucking beer and THEY NEED TO KEEP MY NAME OFF OF THEIR WOMBAT PISS.
It would have been worth it even if your butt was thrice as hurt. i regret nothing.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Damn you EoC! I'd challenge you to a game of schpööpel, but I know you'll lose!
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on April 03, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Damn you EoC! I'd challenge you to a game of schpööpel, but I know you'll lose!
Fat chance, Waffles. Schpööpel* is my favorite drinking/carnival/casino/word game!
*which I did not look on wikipedia to see if it's real
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 09:49:40 PM
Quote from: Waffles, Viking Princess of Northern Belgium on April 03, 2013, 09:33:02 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Damn you EoC! I'd challenge you to a game of schpööpel, but I know you'll lose!
Fat chance, Waffles. Schpööpel* is my favorite drinking/carnival/casino/word game!
*which I did not look on wikipedia to see if it's real
Pffft. The Americas hasn't seen a Schpööpel champion since Leif Erikson.
But
my Butt doesn't hurt.
And anyway, people wouldn't care so much about being butthurt if you were nice enough to give them a reach-around.
just sayin...
Okay, as promised, my long-ass thoughts on the butthurt thing:
People around here get butthurt more than we really need to because we're not following some basic rules...some of them are even our
own. 1. It's the fucking internet. People say shit. 5 times out of 7, It's not about you, it's about
them. Know why? BECAUSE YOU AREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING ROOM. They're not really addressing
you, even when they
are. They're running at the mouth, haplessly and you are standing (or putting yourself) in the way.
2. Again (and I can't stress this enough)
YOU AREN'T IN THE FUCKING ROOM. Nobody can see your facial expressions. Sarcasm, laughter, a good portion of the human experience gets lost. Drowned out in walls of text. So do the recoils and looks of hurt, interruptions, interjections in normal conversation that signal to a person to stop and clarify or change tack. In a normal mano y mano, if someone starts running their mouth, it's easy to stop them and say "Wait a minute. You DO know my mom DIED of Fruit Roll-up addiction, don't you?" Then sensitivity can occur. This doesn't make the person a phoney-baloney, mincing words, it's a necessary part of human exchange when someone is RUNNING OFF AT THE MOUTH. It's a moment for them to pause and really THINK about what they actually mean: you've given them perspective, now they have to factor that into the flow. They have to now reassess their own perspective in less 2-dimensional, overly-simplistic terms and put the brakes on some of the mercilessly one-sided shit that might've rolled out of their mouth otherwise.
In the forum medium, they get to dump their entire, unrebutted opinion onto the page and then YOU, dear reader, have to get pelted with the entire, fucking diatribe, getting hotter and hotter with every one-sided word. Then you let 'em have it. So the original poster is now left with a choice: If they change tack NOW, they look like they're backpeddling. If they don't, they're digging in and screeching. The only winning move becomes not to play (which is what I do).
3. Riding The Correct MILSPEC Humvee. Okay, so you're right. The other guy's opinions are lame. You've got your shit figured out, can point to citations, are pretty sure you're using a good blend of common sense and empathy when formulating your view on the matter and the other guy's being a calloused or uninformed dumbass. Or he's a corpsefucker. Whatever. Okay, so put on your Captain America helmet, climb onto your MOTORCYCLE and zip on through. You're right, other credible people agree with you (or not. But probably so. Who cares?) and you've illuminated an area where the other guy needs to grow up a little bit. This is Easy Rider, man. SO WHY ARE YOU STRAPPING YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS INTO A GIANT, STUFFY, GAS-GUZZLING MONSTROSITY OF RIGHTNESS AND DRIVING ALL OVER THE THREAD FOR SIX MORE PAGES? At some point, it just starts to look like a circle-jerk at some dumbshit's expense before he's had a chance to go back and school himself. Again, fostering screeching or flouncing.
"If ya wanna be a bird, why don't you try a little flyin?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwq55kt8x4g)
4. Not letting people off the hook gracefully. Even when someone
tries to change tack, self-correct or open another door, people station themselves in front of every exit and screech:
Dude A: "Okay, x, y and z
is true but moving onto my other point about a,e,i,o and u..."
PeeDee: "YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT X, Y AND Z, DUMBSHIT!"
Dude: "Okay! I only said that because ___ and ___. Let's just leave "sometimes y" out of it for a minute and..."
PeeDee: "THAT IS THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. X, Y AND Z ARE BACKED BY SCIENTIFIC FACTS, YOU UNINFORMED MONKEY-NOZZLE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS RUINED FOR THE DAY. POSSIBLY EVEN THE
WEEK. THIS WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER."
5. The Mee Toos. If shit's getting
heated, the only reasons to fucking pipe up should be:
a. You are lending a measured and well-balanced validation to someone's argument that they, themselves didn't cover or that you have an alternative way of articulating/presenting for the purpose of
helping someone be better informed or gain fair perspective and in the name of benevolence. This can be
assertive if need be. Piping in to tell someone "Yes, but that's not what you
said." Or pointing out a logical fallacy. Or posting citation.
b. One party is CLEARLY being a douchenozzle and causing genuine harm, distress or making threats--in which case, we all stick together. We do not tolerate stalking, threats, manipulation or downright nastiness against one of our own.
OR
c. You're just ganging up/white knighting/showing allegiance for your favorite(s). If this is the case, stop. Stop. STOP.
Here's the difference: Roger seeing some jerkoff having a difficult time accepting Nigel as a strong, female opponent and telling that guy where to stick is as only a man can call-out another man is Right On. Someone popping in to reiterate all of Roger's points when he's already doing a fine job of nailing someone's balls to a chair is just schadenfreude. You're enjoying yourself. Or masturbating Roger. I don't care which. Stop it. However...
6. NOT stepping in when it's necessary/The Right Thing To Do. If someone is
clearly getting bullied or when someone's unfairly drowning/stumbling...OR because the person who's wrong is "higher ranking" and you don't have the integrity enough to try to bring things into focus, that's just fucked. It should be a welcome part of discourse for someone to say "Hey, dude, you have a lot of clout here but I gotta tell ya, FNG23 has a point. He's floundering about it but here's where he's solid: ..."
7. Exaggerated outrage directed at other members but disguised as righteous conscientiousness. Really? It bothers you THAT, FUCKING MUCH that some chucklehead called all Hatian sugar-cane farmers a bunch of sketchy marshmallow-fuckers? REALLY? Are you really THAT FUCKING OUTRAGED that someone had the GALL to suggest that school uniforms are in fact, NOT a form of fascist indoctrination, but rather, a way to equalize students in mixed socioeconomic neighborhoods? REALLY? THAT makes them a fascist goat-fucker with no value to the human race? REALLLLLY????? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING STUPID? DID YOUR YOUNGER BROTHERS ALWAYS WIN AT THE WEEKLY ASS-KICKING CONTESTS IN YOUR OBVIOUSLY DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME???? You people make me SICK. YOU ARE THE REASON THE TEABAGGERS ARE WINNING. Go back to your Sarah Lee cream puffs and watch Oprah give away Vespas, sock-defiler.
See where I'm going with this?
8. Willful ignorance/continued feigned misunderstanding.If someone makes their point, you misunderstand and challenge their point, loudly and obnoxiously and then they
clarify the misunderstanding, STOP ATTACKING THEM FOR THE THING YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. Really. This gets like a runaway train in here sometimes. A little necessary disclosure: I'm biased on this point and I'll tell you why and then you can decide whether the point is still credible based on that but it's a fine example to underscore this...
Remember last year when I got into it with some people on here for comments I made about the military? It was the Anarchism and Welfare thread. I made a point about the dissonance between some of stupid/nasty things people
say they want to do or
fantasize about doing and what they
actually end up wanting to do when finally faced with that choice in reality. To illustrate my point, I used the metaphor that there exist
some people in this country who join the military because they want to (and I quote because I served with some of them) "blow shit up." But the minute someone gives them the keys to the tank, they comprehend the gravity of the situation and the idea of "blowing shit up" loses its charm quick.
Coyote rebutted with the fact that his service in the Army was always intended to be peaceful and anti-militaristic from the start and that he
never intended to blow
anything up, ever, nor was there ever a chance that he would.
Then
I replied with something that was supposed to come out like: "Well, when you joined, if it turned out they didn't have a peaceful billet for you and the Army changed its mind, screwed you over and put a rocket-launcher in your hands, you'd be stuck blowing shit up. And even though that's never what you intended, you'd be
stuck doing it and it'd be your own fault too because they told you when they swore you in and you agreed and promised that if the Army ever asked you to kill someone, you would."
What I actually
said was:
QuoteTwo points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT I WAS HANOI JANE, CARESSING THE HAND OF A VIET-CONG FLIGHT OFFICER WITH HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON OF THE BIG ONE, POINTED RIGHT AT THE HAIGHT.
Someone decided I was calling Coyote, Roger, his son, myself and the entire length and breadth of US SVMs and Vets baby-killers. Then I tried to clarify. No dice. I felt genuinely bad and tried to fix it. Over and over, I tried to make my point that he, I, Rog, all of us...we signed a contract with the
military. Military inherently
means use of militant force. Militant force implies people get killed by weapons. People getting killed by weapons necessarily means someone pulled some triggers somewhere along the way...whether they
wanted to or not, triggers got squeezed. We are the ones who agreed to be the squeezers and many of us agreed to that hoping we'd never
really have to but knowing deep-down that we
might.
It didn't matter. No matter what I said, I was told that CLEARLY, I was calling coyote some nasty shit. It just got worse and worse. Runaway train. I was struck several times with thoughts about that scene in the Shawshank Redemption when Andy says "Don't be obtuse" and the warden was all like "WHAAAT did you call me?!?"
Somewhere along the way, someone in that mess
had to have either
known what I was really trying to say but chose keep riding that train all the way to Jackson...or simply refused to get to the bottom of it with me because they'd already
decided what I meant and where I could shove my Jell-o Pudding Pop that day and they weren't about to let me keep it in the wrapper no matter WHAT the truth was.
I tried to stick it out but it became apparent that I really wasn't offering anyone anything of worth so...exit navkat.
9. Failure to compartmentalize flame-topics to their original thread. On the surface, this
seems to not be a problem but we all do this thing where we discredit or disarm someone's argument based on their statements in a thread where they were caught with their pants down. It follows them in the form of nicknames and dismissals.
10. Inability to apologize/admit wrong. If you tore them down
publicly, you should apologize
publicly...or at least apologize privately but make the public effort to make nice without hiding behind some lame "I'm going to be the bigger person here" baloney.
11. We need to let shit roll off our backs. So, someone waxed your nozzle widdershins instead of deasil. Okay, so? Let them be. It doesn't mean you lost or that they're right, it means you opted not to decorate your cage with their skull.
:mittens:
Better response tomorrow. Bedtime for Bonzo.
But if we follow those rules, no one will get cake!
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 04, 2013, 12:18:00 AM
Okay, as promised, my long-ass thoughts on the butthurt thing:
People around here get butthurt more than we really need to because we're not following some basic rules...some of them are even our own.
1. It's the fucking internet. People say shit. 5 times out of 7, It's not about you, it's about them. Know why? BECAUSE YOU AREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING ROOM. They're not really addressing you, even when they are. They're running at the mouth, haplessly and you are standing (or putting yourself) in the way.
2. Again (and I can't stress this enough) YOU AREN'T IN THE FUCKING ROOM. Nobody can see your facial expressions. Sarcasm, laughter, a good portion of the human experience gets lost. Drowned out in walls of text. So do the recoils and looks of hurt, interruptions, interjections in normal conversation that signal to a person to stop and clarify or change tack. In a normal mano y mano, if someone starts running their mouth, it's easy to stop them and say "Wait a minute. You DO know my mom DIED of Fruit Roll-up addiction, don't you?" Then sensitivity can occur. This doesn't make the person a phoney-baloney, mincing words, it's a necessary part of human exchange when someone is RUNNING OFF AT THE MOUTH. It's a moment for them to pause and really THINK about what they actually mean: you've given them perspective, now they have to factor that into the flow. They have to now reassess their own perspective in less 2-dimensional, overly-simplistic terms and put the brakes on some of the mercilessly one-sided shit that might've rolled out of their mouth otherwise.
In the forum medium, they get to dump their entire, unrebutted opinion onto the page and then YOU, dear reader, have to get pelted with the entire, fucking diatribe, getting hotter and hotter with every one-sided word. Then you let 'em have it. So the original poster is now left with a choice: If they change tack NOW, they look like they're backpeddling. If they don't, they're digging in and screeching. The only winning move becomes not to play (which is what I do).
3. Riding The Correct MILSPEC Humvee. Okay, so you're right. The other guy's opinions are lame. You've got your shit figured out, can point to citations, are pretty sure you're using a good blend of common sense and empathy when formulating your view on the matter and the other guy's being a calloused or uninformed dumbass. Or he's a corpsefucker. Whatever. Okay, so put on your Captain America helmet, climb onto your MOTORCYCLE and zip on through. You're right, other credible people agree with you (or not. But probably so. Who cares?) and you've illuminated an area where the other guy needs to grow up a little bit. This is Easy Rider, man. SO WHY ARE YOU STRAPPING YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS INTO A GIANT, STUFFY, GAS-GUZZLING MONSTROSITY OF RIGHTNESS AND DRIVING ALL OVER THE THREAD FOR SIX MORE PAGES? At some point, it just starts to look like a circle-jerk at some dumbshit's expense before he's had a chance to go back and school himself. Again, fostering screeching or flouncing.
"If ya wanna be a bird, why don't you try a little flyin?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwq55kt8x4g)
4. Not letting people off the hook gracefully. Even when someone tries to change tack, self-correct or open another door, people station themselves in front of every exit and screech:
Dude A: "Okay, x, y and z is true but moving onto my other point about a,e,i,o and u..."
PeeDee: "YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT X, Y AND Z, DUMBSHIT!"
Dude: "Okay! I only said that because ___ and ___. Let's just leave "sometimes y" out of it for a minute and..."
PeeDee: "THAT IS THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. X, Y AND Z ARE BACKED BY SCIENTIFIC FACTS, YOU UNINFORMED MONKEY-NOZZLE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS RUINED FOR THE DAY. POSSIBLY EVEN THE WEEK. THIS WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER."
5. The Mee Toos. If shit's getting heated, the only reasons to fucking pipe up should be:
a. You are lending a measured and well-balanced validation to someone's argument that they, themselves didn't cover or that you have an alternative way of articulating/presenting for the purpose of helping someone be better informed or gain fair perspective and in the name of benevolence. This can be assertive if need be. Piping in to tell someone "Yes, but that's not what you said." Or pointing out a logical fallacy. Or posting citation.
b. One party is CLEARLY being a douchenozzle and causing genuine harm, distress or making threats--in which case, we all stick together. We do not tolerate stalking, threats, manipulation or downright nastiness against one of our own.
OR
c. You're just ganging up/white knighting/showing allegiance for your favorite(s). If this is the case, stop. Stop. STOP.
Here's the difference: Roger seeing some jerkoff having a difficult time accepting Nigel as a strong, female opponent and telling that guy where to stick is as only a man can call-out another man is Right On. Someone popping in to reiterate all of Roger's points when he's already doing a fine job of nailing someone's balls to a chair is just schadenfreude. You're enjoying yourself. Or masturbating Roger. I don't care which. Stop it. However...
6. NOT stepping in when it's necessary/The Right Thing To Do. If someone is clearly getting bullied or when someone's unfairly drowning/stumbling...OR because the person who's wrong is "higher ranking" and you don't have the integrity enough to try to bring things into focus, that's just fucked. It should be a welcome part of discourse for someone to say "Hey, dude, you have a lot of clout here but I gotta tell ya, FNG23 has a point. He's floundering about it but here's where he's solid: ..."
7. Exaggerated outrage directed at other members but disguised as righteous conscientiousness.
Really? It bothers you THAT, FUCKING MUCH that some chucklehead called all Hatian sugar-cane farmers a bunch of sketchy marshmallow-fuckers? REALLY? Are you really THAT FUCKING OUTRAGED that someone had the GALL to suggest that school uniforms are in fact, NOT a form of fascist indoctrination, but rather, a way to equalize students in mixed socioeconomic neighborhoods? REALLY? THAT makes them a fascist goat-fucker with no value to the human race? REALLLLLY????? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING STUPID? DID YOUR YOUNGER BROTHERS ALWAYS WIN AT THE WEEKLY ASS-KICKING CONTESTS IN YOUR OBVIOUSLY DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME???? You people make me SICK. YOU ARE THE REASON THE TEABAGGERS ARE WINNING. Go back to your Sarah Lee cream puffs and watch Oprah give away Vespas, sock-defiler.
See where I'm going with this?
8. Willful ignorance/continued feigned misunderstanding.
If someone makes their point, you misunderstand and challenge their point, loudly and obnoxiously and then they clarify the misunderstanding, STOP ATTACKING THEM FOR THE THING YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. Really. This gets like a runaway train in here sometimes. A little necessary disclosure: I'm biased on this point and I'll tell you why and then you can decide whether the point is still credible based on that but it's a fine example to underscore this...
Remember last year when I got into it with some people on here for comments I made about the military? It was the Anarchism and Welfare thread. I made a point about the dissonance between some of stupid/nasty things people say they want to do or fantasize about doing and what they actually end up wanting to do when finally faced with that choice in reality. To illustrate my point, I used the metaphor that there exist some people in this country who join the military because they want to (and I quote because I served with some of them) "blow shit up." But the minute someone gives them the keys to the tank, they comprehend the gravity of the situation and the idea of "blowing shit up" loses its charm quick.
Coyote rebutted with the fact that his service in the Army was always intended to be peaceful and anti-militaristic from the start and that he never intended to blow anything up, ever, nor was there ever a chance that he would.
Then I replied with something that was supposed to come out like: "Well, when you joined, if it turned out they didn't have a peaceful billet for you and the Army changed its mind, screwed you over and put a rocket-launcher in your hands, you'd be stuck blowing shit up. And even though that's never what you intended, you'd be stuck doing it and it'd be your own fault too because they told you when they swore you in and you agreed and promised that if the Army ever asked you to kill someone, you would."
What I actually said was:
QuoteTwo points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT I WAS HANOI JANE, CARESSING THE HAND OF A VIET-CONG FLIGHT OFFICER WITH HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON OF THE BIG ONE, POINTED RIGHT AT THE HAIGHT.
Someone decided I was calling Coyote, Roger, his son, myself and the entire length and breadth of US SVMs and Vets baby-killers. Then I tried to clarify. No dice. I felt genuinely bad and tried to fix it. Over and over, I tried to make my point that he, I, Rog, all of us...we signed a contract with the military. Military inherently means use of militant force. Militant force implies people get killed by weapons. People getting killed by weapons necessarily means someone pulled some triggers somewhere along the way...whether they wanted to or not, triggers got squeezed. We are the ones who agreed to be the squeezers and many of us agreed to that hoping we'd never really have to but knowing deep-down that we might.
It didn't matter. No matter what I said, I was told that CLEARLY, I was calling coyote some nasty shit. It just got worse and worse. Runaway train. I was struck several times with thoughts about that scene in the Shawshank Redemption when Andy says "Don't be obtuse" and the warden was all like "WHAAAT did you call me?!?"
Somewhere along the way, someone in that mess had to have either known what I was really trying to say but chose keep riding that train all the way to Jackson...or simply refused to get to the bottom of it with me because they'd already decided what I meant and where I could shove my Jell-o Pudding Pop that day and they weren't about to let me keep it in the wrapper no matter WHAT the truth was.
I tried to stick it out but it became apparent that I really wasn't offering anyone anything of worth so...exit navkat.
9. Failure to compartmentalize flame-topics to their original thread.
On the surface, this seems to not be a problem but we all do this thing where we discredit or disarm someone's argument based on their statements in a thread where they were caught with their pants down. It follows them in the form of nicknames and dismissals.
10. Inability to apologize/admit wrong.
If you tore them down publicly, you should apologize publicly...or at least apologize privately but make the public effort to make nice without hiding behind some lame "I'm going to be the bigger person here" baloney.
11. We need to let shit roll off our backs.
So, someone waxed your nozzle widdershins instead of deasil. Okay, so? Let them be. It doesn't mean you lost or that they're right, it means you opted not to decorate your cage with their skull.
It would be impossible for me to agree with this post more than I currently do.
Awesome post Navkat! Very well said!
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 04, 2013, 12:18:00 AM
Okay, as promised, my long-ass thoughts on the butthurt thing:
People around here get butthurt more than we really need to because we're not following some basic rules...some of them are even our own.
1. It's the fucking internet. People say shit. 5 times out of 7, It's not about you, it's about them. Know why? BECAUSE YOU AREN'T EVEN IN THE FUCKING ROOM. They're not really addressing you, even when they are. They're running at the mouth, haplessly and you are standing (or putting yourself) in the way.
2. Again (and I can't stress this enough) YOU AREN'T IN THE FUCKING ROOM. Nobody can see your facial expressions. Sarcasm, laughter, a good portion of the human experience gets lost. Drowned out in walls of text. So do the recoils and looks of hurt, interruptions, interjections in normal conversation that signal to a person to stop and clarify or change tack. In a normal mano y mano, if someone starts running their mouth, it's easy to stop them and say "Wait a minute. You DO know my mom DIED of Fruit Roll-up addiction, don't you?" Then sensitivity can occur. This doesn't make the person a phoney-baloney, mincing words, it's a necessary part of human exchange when someone is RUNNING OFF AT THE MOUTH. It's a moment for them to pause and really THINK about what they actually mean: you've given them perspective, now they have to factor that into the flow. They have to now reassess their own perspective in less 2-dimensional, overly-simplistic terms and put the brakes on some of the mercilessly one-sided shit that might've rolled out of their mouth otherwise.
In the forum medium, they get to dump their entire, unrebutted opinion onto the page and then YOU, dear reader, have to get pelted with the entire, fucking diatribe, getting hotter and hotter with every one-sided word. Then you let 'em have it. So the original poster is now left with a choice: If they change tack NOW, they look like they're backpeddling. If they don't, they're digging in and screeching. The only winning move becomes not to play (which is what I do).
3. Riding The Correct MILSPEC Humvee. Okay, so you're right. The other guy's opinions are lame. You've got your shit figured out, can point to citations, are pretty sure you're using a good blend of common sense and empathy when formulating your view on the matter and the other guy's being a calloused or uninformed dumbass. Or he's a corpsefucker. Whatever. Okay, so put on your Captain America helmet, climb onto your MOTORCYCLE and zip on through. You're right, other credible people agree with you (or not. But probably so. Who cares?) and you've illuminated an area where the other guy needs to grow up a little bit. This is Easy Rider, man. SO WHY ARE YOU STRAPPING YOURSELF AND YOUR FRIENDS INTO A GIANT, STUFFY, GAS-GUZZLING MONSTROSITY OF RIGHTNESS AND DRIVING ALL OVER THE THREAD FOR SIX MORE PAGES? At some point, it just starts to look like a circle-jerk at some dumbshit's expense before he's had a chance to go back and school himself. Again, fostering screeching or flouncing.
"If ya wanna be a bird, why don't you try a little flyin?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwq55kt8x4g)
4. Not letting people off the hook gracefully. Even when someone tries to change tack, self-correct or open another door, people station themselves in front of every exit and screech:
Dude A: "Okay, x, y and z is true but moving onto my other point about a,e,i,o and u..."
PeeDee: "YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT X, Y AND Z, DUMBSHIT!"
Dude: "Okay! I only said that because ___ and ___. Let's just leave "sometimes y" out of it for a minute and..."
PeeDee: "THAT IS THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD. X, Y AND Z ARE BACKED BY SCIENTIFIC FACTS, YOU UNINFORMED MONKEY-NOZZLE. YOUR CREDIBILITY IS RUINED FOR THE DAY. POSSIBLY EVEN THE WEEK. THIS WILL HAUNT YOU FOREVER."
5. The Mee Toos. If shit's getting heated, the only reasons to fucking pipe up should be:
a. You are lending a measured and well-balanced validation to someone's argument that they, themselves didn't cover or that you have an alternative way of articulating/presenting for the purpose of helping someone be better informed or gain fair perspective and in the name of benevolence. This can be assertive if need be. Piping in to tell someone "Yes, but that's not what you said." Or pointing out a logical fallacy. Or posting citation.
b. One party is CLEARLY being a douchenozzle and causing genuine harm, distress or making threats--in which case, we all stick together. We do not tolerate stalking, threats, manipulation or downright nastiness against one of our own.
OR
c. You're just ganging up/white knighting/showing allegiance for your favorite(s). If this is the case, stop. Stop. STOP.
Here's the difference: Roger seeing some jerkoff having a difficult time accepting Nigel as a strong, female opponent and telling that guy where to stick is as only a man can call-out another man is Right On. Someone popping in to reiterate all of Roger's points when he's already doing a fine job of nailing someone's balls to a chair is just schadenfreude. You're enjoying yourself. Or masturbating Roger. I don't care which. Stop it. However...
6. NOT stepping in when it's necessary/The Right Thing To Do. If someone is clearly getting bullied or when someone's unfairly drowning/stumbling...OR because the person who's wrong is "higher ranking" and you don't have the integrity enough to try to bring things into focus, that's just fucked. It should be a welcome part of discourse for someone to say "Hey, dude, you have a lot of clout here but I gotta tell ya, FNG23 has a point. He's floundering about it but here's where he's solid: ..."
7. Exaggerated outrage directed at other members but disguised as righteous conscientiousness.
Really? It bothers you THAT, FUCKING MUCH that some chucklehead called all Hatian sugar-cane farmers a bunch of sketchy marshmallow-fuckers? REALLY? Are you really THAT FUCKING OUTRAGED that someone had the GALL to suggest that school uniforms are in fact, NOT a form of fascist indoctrination, but rather, a way to equalize students in mixed socioeconomic neighborhoods? REALLY? THAT makes them a fascist goat-fucker with no value to the human race? REALLLLLY????? ARE YOU THAT FUCKING STUPID? DID YOUR YOUNGER BROTHERS ALWAYS WIN AT THE WEEKLY ASS-KICKING CONTESTS IN YOUR OBVIOUSLY DYSFUNCTIONAL HOME???? You people make me SICK. YOU ARE THE REASON THE TEABAGGERS ARE WINNING. Go back to your Sarah Lee cream puffs and watch Oprah give away Vespas, sock-defiler.
See where I'm going with this?
8. Willful ignorance/continued feigned misunderstanding.
If someone makes their point, you misunderstand and challenge their point, loudly and obnoxiously and then they clarify the misunderstanding, STOP ATTACKING THEM FOR THE THING YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. Really. This gets like a runaway train in here sometimes. A little necessary disclosure: I'm biased on this point and I'll tell you why and then you can decide whether the point is still credible based on that but it's a fine example to underscore this...
Remember last year when I got into it with some people on here for comments I made about the military? It was the Anarchism and Welfare thread. I made a point about the dissonance between some of stupid/nasty things people say they want to do or fantasize about doing and what they actually end up wanting to do when finally faced with that choice in reality. To illustrate my point, I used the metaphor that there exist some people in this country who join the military because they want to (and I quote because I served with some of them) "blow shit up." But the minute someone gives them the keys to the tank, they comprehend the gravity of the situation and the idea of "blowing shit up" loses its charm quick.
Coyote rebutted with the fact that his service in the Army was always intended to be peaceful and anti-militaristic from the start and that he never intended to blow anything up, ever, nor was there ever a chance that he would.
Then I replied with something that was supposed to come out like: "Well, when you joined, if it turned out they didn't have a peaceful billet for you and the Army changed its mind, screwed you over and put a rocket-launcher in your hands, you'd be stuck blowing shit up. And even though that's never what you intended, you'd be stuck doing it and it'd be your own fault too because they told you when they swore you in and you agreed and promised that if the Army ever asked you to kill someone, you would."
What I actually said was:
QuoteTwo points:
1. Of COURSE you didn't join to kill anyone, neither have you said or done anything to indicate that you would enjoy taking lives. Troll account is trollish.
2. That said, the military is inherently violent and you are an adult, of legal age and entered willingly into a contract whose terms imply that you will likely, at some point, be required to take a life to not be in breach of that contract. I did it, you did it, I understand. There a level of disconnect from the following truth: "the purpose of the military is to kill people in a situation wherein my elected officials have determined they will not listen to reason." It's easy to forget when you're in your early 20s and indulging fantasies in your head of decoding intel and jumping out of airplanes but it is nonetheless true and your own fault/responsibility if, after jumping out of airplanes, your orders include putting a slug into the head of a 12 year old child, pointing a gun at you.
OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU WOULD HAVE THOUGHT I WAS HANOI JANE, CARESSING THE HAND OF A VIET-CONG FLIGHT OFFICER WITH HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON OF THE BIG ONE, POINTED RIGHT AT THE HAIGHT.
Someone decided I was calling Coyote, Roger, his son, myself and the entire length and breadth of US SVMs and Vets baby-killers. Then I tried to clarify. No dice. I felt genuinely bad and tried to fix it. Over and over, I tried to make my point that he, I, Rog, all of us...we signed a contract with the military. Military inherently means use of militant force. Militant force implies people get killed by weapons. People getting killed by weapons necessarily means someone pulled some triggers somewhere along the way...whether they wanted to or not, triggers got squeezed. We are the ones who agreed to be the squeezers and many of us agreed to that hoping we'd never really have to but knowing deep-down that we might.
It didn't matter. No matter what I said, I was told that CLEARLY, I was calling coyote some nasty shit. It just got worse and worse. Runaway train. I was struck several times with thoughts about that scene in the Shawshank Redemption when Andy says "Don't be obtuse" and the warden was all like "WHAAAT did you call me?!?"
Somewhere along the way, someone in that mess had to have either known what I was really trying to say but chose keep riding that train all the way to Jackson...or simply refused to get to the bottom of it with me because they'd already decided what I meant and where I could shove my Jell-o Pudding Pop that day and they weren't about to let me keep it in the wrapper no matter WHAT the truth was.
I tried to stick it out but it became apparent that I really wasn't offering anyone anything of worth so...exit navkat.
9. Failure to compartmentalize flame-topics to their original thread.
On the surface, this seems to not be a problem but we all do this thing where we discredit or disarm someone's argument based on their statements in a thread where they were caught with their pants down. It follows them in the form of nicknames and dismissals.
10. Inability to apologize/admit wrong.
If you tore them down publicly, you should apologize publicly...or at least apologize privately but make the public effort to make nice without hiding behind some lame "I'm going to be the bigger person here" baloney.
11. We need to let shit roll off our backs.
So, someone waxed your nozzle widdershins instead of deasil. Okay, so? Let them be. It doesn't mean you lost or that they're right, it means you opted not to decorate your cage with their skull.
You had me at "masturbating Roger."
Awesome post, Navkat!
Mathematical! Thanks!
I'd argue one point, and I think Cain would, too.
When I'm catching shit over something, provided I'm right, it is nice to occasionally have someone back me up. "Higher rank", whatever that is, notwithstanding.
Yeah. I think that is kinda implied under six, but not explicitly said.
It's definitely nice to be acknowledged when you're right, especially when you have six or seven different jackasses harping on about something at you. I distinctly recall being told over at EB&G, more than once, that no-one bothered backing me up because "I did a good enough job of that myself". Well, it would've been nice if someone had said so. I remember feeling like I was getting slammed from several different directions and no-one was willing to actually look at what was said or say "you're being dickweeds, calm the fuck down". Except me, in those actual arguments.
It's not a very nice feeling.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
I am BUTTHURT at the following people for the following reasons:
Stella - reminds me of shitty overpriced beer
navkat - not BUTTHURT but pre-emptively BUTTHURT for when she posts her things about BUTTHURT
Roger - a person hairier than I should not exist
LMNO - savage drumming is cracking the walls of the tenement I live in and making it hard to close the door
Luna - is over ten years my senior and LOOKS YOUNGER THAN I DO
Roger - drumming up rumors about the SECOND HALF OF THE JOKE
Ippie - you know what you did you bastard
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Roger - drank coffee in front of me on a day when I was abstaining from coffee
Cain - due to a variety of reasons I shan't go into presently, I found myself stranded in Nigeria bout a decade ago with my funds tied up in frozen accounts. I sent him an e-mail requesting a small amount just to get mys ass out of Africa and he didn't even fucking respond.
Gogira - name makes too light of the King of Monsters
Roger - just HAS to be on a list more times than anyone else
I'm butthurt that you're not butthurt at me! :argh!:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 04, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
I am BUTTHURT at the following people for the following reasons:
Stella - reminds me of shitty overpriced beer
navkat - not BUTTHURT but pre-emptively BUTTHURT for when she posts her things about BUTTHURT
Roger - a person hairier than I should not exist
LMNO - savage drumming is cracking the walls of the tenement I live in and making it hard to close the door
Luna - is over ten years my senior and LOOKS YOUNGER THAN I DO
Roger - drumming up rumors about the SECOND HALF OF THE JOKE
Ippie - you know what you did you bastard
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Roger - drank coffee in front of me on a day when I was abstaining from coffee
Cain - due to a variety of reasons I shan't go into presently, I found myself stranded in Nigeria bout a decade ago with my funds tied up in frozen accounts. I sent him an e-mail requesting a small amount just to get mys ass out of Africa and he didn't even fucking respond.
Gogira - name makes too light of the King of Monsters
Roger - just HAS to be on a list more times than anyone else
I'm butthurt that you're not butthurt at me! :argh!:
NIGEL - can never remember I live on the far east side of Portland
Very well-said, Navkat! That was an excellent post.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 05, 2013, 12:02:11 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 04, 2013, 11:40:10 PM
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on April 03, 2013, 08:56:08 PM
I am BUTTHURT at the following people for the following reasons:
Stella - reminds me of shitty overpriced beer
navkat - not BUTTHURT but pre-emptively BUTTHURT for when she posts her things about BUTTHURT
Roger - a person hairier than I should not exist
LMNO - savage drumming is cracking the walls of the tenement I live in and making it hard to close the door
Luna - is over ten years my senior and LOOKS YOUNGER THAN I DO
Roger - drumming up rumors about the SECOND HALF OF THE JOKE
Ippie - you know what you did you bastard
Waffle - My disagreement with Waffle Iron stems from our fundamentally different perspective regarding the issue of obscure 19th century philosopher/poet Foehershel Byarlsimone. While Mr. Iron insists that his post-Baroque soliloquies are reminiscient of his predecessor and mentor Drekselern Pridistansen I find them more in the style of the Bjorn Fjarlmane in that their umlauts are arranged in a manner meant to evoke sensory delight. And I just can't forgive that shit.
Roger - drank coffee in front of me on a day when I was abstaining from coffee
Cain - due to a variety of reasons I shan't go into presently, I found myself stranded in Nigeria bout a decade ago with my funds tied up in frozen accounts. I sent him an e-mail requesting a small amount just to get mys ass out of Africa and he didn't even fucking respond.
Gogira - name makes too light of the King of Monsters
Roger - just HAS to be on a list more times than anyone else
I'm butthurt that you're not butthurt at me! :argh!:
NIGEL - can never remember I live on the far east side of Portland
THAT'S BETTER. :crankey:
Steaming assholes, the lot of ya.
Are steaming assholes similar to hickory smoked horse buttholes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO0kRE5OTZI)?
Quote from: Cain on April 04, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
Yeah. I think that is kinda implied under six, but not explicitly said.
It's definitely nice to be acknowledged when you're right, especially when you have six or seven different jackasses harping on about something at you. I distinctly recall being told over at EB&G, more than once, that no-one bothered backing me up because "I did a good enough job of that myself". Well, it would've been nice if someone had said so. I remember feeling like I was getting slammed from several different directions and no-one was willing to actually look at what was said or say "you're being dickweeds, calm the fuck down". Except me, in those actual arguments.
It's not a very nice feeling.
You know, this is verry difficult for me to do because the both of you are "elder" members and both strong and capable enough to handle shit on your own that it feels almost
wrong to jump in and start opening my mouth. The little Wanda Sykes in my head goes "Mind yo' business, woman! What makes you think he needs YOUR damned help?"
Also, there's that whole "Me Too" thing I mentioned. It's my personal bugbear. One thing vexes me to no end is a "goody-two-shoes" yes-man for the popular kids. Over the years, we've had a few of those and they remind me of little, sweaty dingleberries, every time. And I can almost set my watch to them: "Hup! Rog and ZombieCopulator23 are at it again! I guess that means ___ should be along any minute now to wrap up all of Rog's points for him and tell ZombieCopulator23 how disgusting he is. Waaait for iiit....in 5, 4, 3..."
I realize this is my own personal bar in the cage and it's presenting you guys with an unfair double-standard and makes me every bit a sheep as the dingleberries--except I'm a sheep in my own Lone Wolf's clothing. I will try to do better.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 05, 2013, 02:53:13 PM
You know, this is verry difficult for me to do because the both of you are "elder" members and both strong and capable enough to handle shit on your own that it feels almost wrong to jump in and start opening my mouth.
Then put yourself in my shoes.
Or Cain's.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 05, 2013, 03:03:22 PM
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 05, 2013, 02:53:13 PM
You know, this is verry difficult for me to do because the both of you are "elder" members and both strong and capable enough to handle shit on your own that it feels almost wrong to jump in and start opening my mouth.
Then put yourself in my shoes.
Or Cain's.
I'll do better.
Quote from: navkat: navkat of...navkat! on April 05, 2013, 02:53:13 PM
I'm a sheep in my own Lone Wolf's clothing.
I've never nominated my own shit for newsreel before but I think this is one of our core values!
Try being on my side of the pile. Particularly in the drug threads over the years. I know I'm in the minority to begin with on that particular topic, but when things get particularly nasty, I'll get some PM support, which I definitely appreciate don't get me wrong, but every once in awhile it would be nice to get a little public support too. You don't have to agree with my point of view 100%, or at all, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if someone stepped up and said, publicly, "hey, can we back off a bit?"
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on April 05, 2013, 03:12:57 PM
Try being on my side of the pile. Particularly in the drug threads over the years. I know I'm in the minority to begin with on that particular topic, but when things get particularly nasty, I'll get some PM support, which I definitely appreciate don't get me wrong, but every once in awhile it would be nice to get a little public support too. You don't have to agree with my point of view 100%, or at all, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if someone stepped up and said, publicly, "hey, can we back off a bit?"
Great.
GREAT.
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(*nudge*)
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on April 05, 2013, 03:12:57 PM
Try being on my side of the pile. Particularly in the drug threads over the years. I know I'm in the minority to begin with on that particular topic, but when things get particularly nasty, I'll get some PM support, which I definitely appreciate don't get me wrong, but every once in awhile it would be nice to get a little public support too. You don't have to agree with my point of view 100%, or at all, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if someone stepped up and said, publicly, "hey, can we back off a bit?"
Well, I don't believe in backing off, but I think I gave you credit where credit is due, down in the head full of fuck thread.
I had my butt removed to prevent the Hurt, but then I became full of shit. :sad: