Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 24, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
Sorry Mang! I conflated you with Burns.
Aha! Burns is my double. He can work on my client this morning and I can go home
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Show posts MenuQuote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 24, 2012, 07:15:30 AM
Sorry Mang! I conflated you with Burns.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 24, 2012, 03:55:30 AMQuote from: Alty on December 23, 2012, 09:06:34 PM
The again, where exactly does it end for small business? What if you don't want to employ someone who's black because you're a racist piece of garbage?
On one hand, its their business and it may fail or succeed based in the small choices they make and the relationships they build or fail yo build.
On the other hand they're a racist piece of garbage.
This guys sounds like an asshole who needs to get his monkey brain in check and/or get laid.
Courts have ruled that small businesses can practice certain types of hiring discrimination if it suits their business model. Some large businesses can also practice hiring discrimination... Hooters, for example. Many small business owners practice racial preference in hiring... unless they tell someone, who's going to know? You're describing something that is more or less impossible to legislate.
My argument isn't whether the business owner is right, it's whether the court was right in upholding his right to fire an employee for the simple reason that he doesn't, for whatever reason, want to work with her anymore. In my opinion, a small business owner should not be legally forced to continue to work with an employee they don't want to work with, for any reason. For the court to rule otherwise would throw a huge wrench in the ability of small business owners to run their businesses, which is why the rules are different for them in the first place.
Mang's argument is that the burden should be upon the business owner to get therapy so that he can deal with his issue of being attracted to his assistant.
How far do you really want to take that, if it became a precedent? I don't think any of you guys are really thinking through the absurdity of the ramifications you're proposing. Sure, in this case, you're like "That guy is wrong! It's his problem and he should have to suck it up and deal with it!" but the burden that precedent could potentially place on small business owners or other smalltime employers is pretty heavy. Alty and Mang, as small business owners, I'd like you to imagine for a moment that you found yourself the employer of an assistant that for some reason made you really uncomfortable, but you could not legally let go. Going to work puts a knot in your stomach... you hate it. The stress of the situation is taking a toll on your marriage. You are powerless to do anything about it, and your emotional state and ability to do your job is slipping.
What do you do?
That's the situation a court ruling against him would have put thousands of small business owners like yourselves in.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 23, 2012, 06:41:45 PM
Wow, you're our very own Ian Christie.
Kudos for the Dio reference. Until his death, I thought his place in the history of metal was often overlooked.(heh, I know). For sure he really brought the fantasy element to the fore-front which inspired many bands, particularily those in the Power Metal genre. And of course he brought us the devil horns (which was actually an Italian gesture created by his Mom), but I think another key is he was one of those guys who lived and breathed and unapologetically waved the Metal flag. He was an ambassador. And of course, one hell of a voice.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on December 22, 2012, 05:45:58 PMQuote from: Mangrove on December 22, 2012, 03:54:37 PMQuote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
2nded.
I think there's a number of ways in which the word 'soul' gets used. Obviously, it is the name for a particular genre of music 'soul'. However, as a musician I've noticed that there is usage of the word which brings up a stereotype regarding (so called) 'black' vs 'white' music.
The stereotype is essentially that 'black' popular music culture is cooler, hipper, looser and has more emotional heft (soul) than 'white' music which is restrained, uptight and less expressive (not soul). As such, there's plenty of Caucasian musicians who believe they play or aspire to sound what they think of as 'black'.
Check out the movie 'Crossroads' (with Ralph Macchio, not Britney). Young white kid at Julliard playing classical guitar but obsesses over country blues music in his spare time. He tracks down the legendary 'Willie Brown' and busts him out of a nursing home to go on a journey down south into the delta to learn the secrets of Robert Johnson and his 'lost song'. The whole movie is about Ralph Macchio struggling to gain musical & cultural acceptance from African Americans. "See? Look how cool I play...I'm just like you, please love and validate me!"
The movie has a supernatural twist. Willie Brown sold his soul to the devil at the crossroads in exchange for his 15 minutes of fame in the world of blues music. Ralphie steps up to the challenge to win back the contract by battling Steve Vai in a head-cutting guitar jam contest.
Ralph plays bluesy bottleneck slide riffs (played by Arlen Roth) while Steve Vai was basically being himself. Well, lo and behold Vai comes up with a lick so brain melting, Ralph's confidence is shaken - he might not win! ERHMAHGERD! And what does he do? Why, he puts down his glass guitar slide and hammers out a classical piece which had some Paganini runs in it. Vai in his role of 'Jack Butler' cannot copy the lick and thus Faustian pact annulled, Willie saved and devil unhappy but, a deal's a deal, right?
So for 99% of the movie, Ralph Macchio wants to be the ultimate blues man, until his ass gets in trouble when he meets the shred monster so he plays [ahem] so called 'difficult, proper music' and wins. [It's stupid...not as stupid as that movie 'Soul Man' about the kid who sports black face to get into college. Of course, none of the real African Americans notice..wtf...]
Contrary to the stereotype we have Wynton Marsalis who plays classical music. Jimi Hendrix idolized Bob Dylan, Charlie Parker wanted to hang with Stravinsky & Miles Davis did some of his best work with Gil Evans (who was white and Canadian). And then there's dear old Elvis who popularized 'Hound Dog', a cover of a song originally done by Big Mamma Thornton but was written by Lieber & Stoller who were Jewish. Jazz musicians love playing songs by Cole Porter who was white and gay and also works by Billy Strayhorn who was black and gay.
The reality shows a great deal of complexity and diversity. However, there's still an idea in pop culture which equates ethnicity to authenticity. It's a bullshit idea but it's there. It's why people are like "Wow...can you believe Eminem raps so well..and he's WHITE!???" One of my (black) friends (lol, love a cliche) thinks the sun rises and sets on Coldplay. Some of his other (white) friends thinks that makes him less African-American.
Congratulations, you've noticed that fucked-up racial dynamics with deep historical roots exist.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 08:28:13 PM
Well "soul" can have different connotations in this discussion. There is "Soul" as a descriptor of certain forms of music. But there is "soul" as in whether something has depth and isn't superficial.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 05:27:41 PMQuote from: Mangrove on December 21, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Hippies should be leaving the Sanskrit alone.
Maya is the term used in Hindu and Buddhist schools of thought to describe 'the illusion of permanence' not that 'nothing exists'.
Yeah, just look what they did to the "singularity" concept. It went from "the point in the future about which and after which you can no longer make accurate predictions", to "AI Jesus".QuoteThe 'illusion' is that the physical world appears on the surface (to our very limited physical perceptions) to appear one way. However, we know from SCIENCE that, indeed, there's lots of shit going on that is very different to how it seems.
Never listen to physicists. They're just making that shit up. Fucking cat is DEAD, do you hear me?
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 21, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
For what it's worth, Faith No More really didn't go out of their way to self-identify as metal, let alone funk metal. In fact, they really hated the funk metal term because, particularily in the early days, they'd get endleesly compared to the Chili Peppers. (which is horseshit because the Peppers are crap, where FNM are clearly superior)
People lazily classified FNM as funk metal because of Billy Gould's approach to bass. Of course in the past they've also been mis-labled rap-metal, thrash metal, proto nu-metal...they were just a great rock band that happened to have five very talented musicians with extremely varied musical backgrounds.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on December 21, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
Also, James Brown explained Americaâ„¢, but he did it ON PURPOSE, and he was LAUGHING AT US.
Quote from: Suu on December 14, 2012, 01:29:41 AMQuote from: Mangrove on December 13, 2012, 09:19:45 PM
PS New London & Groton???
Xanadu for bedbugs. EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!!!
And the largest submarine base in country. Though anywhere outside of Navy territory is skeevetastic or an extension of Fairfield County (Long Point) that couldn't be arsed to even share a police force with the rest of the city.
New London is high weirdness. I think Roger would like it.