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Yup - seemed strangely appropriate.

Short hair, one month ago:


My hair is doing weird shit today:

You missed me on keeping things strange.

Sorry about that, I started with your initial four categories, added people who agreed with them, and forgot to add your name.  Fixed now.

Fuck it, sign me up for 2, 3, and 4. Sounds like a good time.

Okay done.

At this stage now, I'd really like to concentrate on what the categories should be, rather than who-goes-where.  I.e. I want to make sure I didn't miss anyones input first.  I'll create a new thread within the next few days with category revisions, once that discussion tapers off.  I don't want to turn this into a bureaucratic mush, but I do want to make sure that everyones voice is heard.

 

Can't breathe!

[The flawed list]

Holy crap that took longer than I expected.  Okay, so I've probably misrepresented a bunch of you.

Sorry about that.

My approach here was to start with Rogers 4 points, and add a new point each time something new/distinctive seemed to crop up.  I've also filtered out anything which looked like a personal goal.  The rationale being that this thread is about what we can hope to accomplish together, if we share any external goals outside of ourselves and immediate community.  E.g. I may have a goal to have a bigger zing zang, but at the end of the day, I'm gonna have to order them there pills from the internet myself, you know?

Also, I was ruthless about trying to strip out means from goals.  E.g. my original input was all means.  So my name doesn't appear - oops.

#2 and #4 are clear winners.  But they are also vague and broad categories.  E.g. #2 could equally, in my view, be called - "make people less stupid, including ourselves".  I find it interesting that the votes correspond to my view of what Discordianism originally was about, but I'm most likely lo5'ing that.


The flawed list

1) Maximize Freedom
  Roger
 Charley Brown
 LMNO, PhD
 Cuddlefish
 Reeducation
 Hover Cat

2) Reality tunnel escape/intellectual improvement/think for yourself
  Roger
 LMNO, PhD
 Hoopla
 RHWN
 Doktor Blight
 Niamh
 Cuddlefish
 Requia
 Nigel
 Dr. James Semaj
 Eater of Clowns
 Pastor Miskatonic Zappathruster
 NET
 Demolition_Squid
 Hover Cat
  Doktor Phox

3) Keep things strange, or more so
  Roger
 LMNO, PhD
 Cuddlefish
 Dr. James Semaj
 Kai
  Doktor Phox

4) Have Fun
  Roger
 LMNO, PhD
 Hoopla
 Doktor Blight
 Niamh
 Cuddlefish
 Dr. James Semaj
 NET
 Hover Cat
 Canis latrans eques
 P3nT4gR4m
  Doktor Phox

5) Change Political/Cultural climate
 Doktor Blight
 Xooxe

6) Evangelism
 Cuddlefish
 NET
 Cramulus

7) Reduce Apathy
 Dr. James Semaj


What next?

Let's argue about categories!

I'm looking for suggestions about any additional categories I missed, or any obvious way to split up/rearrange the existing ones.


What then?

Then we can make corrections about who-goes-where.  Probably in a new thread.  I missed the boat on "reduce apathy", but I'll have to wait to vote for it.  

Anyone on the board who missed the original discussion is - of course - more than welcome to join in, too.


What then, then?

Where to go from there depends highly on what areas we figure we actually have consensus on.  Hopefully it'll be obvious.  IMO the best result would be if the answer arose spontaneously out of community discussion.  Personally, I'd be delighted to see groups/cabals branching off into separate projects, but we'll see I guess.

I should really upload a pic without the top of my head all cropped off, but the work-arounds are awesome!

A proposed Tennessee law would make following the Islamic code known as Shariah law a felony, punishable by 15 years in jail stoning.

Opportunity missed.

What is the relationship between Crazy Eddie and the bureaucratic ethos that process must be followed?  I.e is the Crazy Eddie head of a union who notes that the prerequisites for strike are already there - and doesn't have the stomach to not strike, or is he a random guy with a sudden flash of inspiration?

It ends up being a swing at the macro-Machine.  But if the focus, aim, and intent are based upon the macro-Machine, your actions are likely to be compromised and will most likely be inefficient.  Local efforts only work when they are immersed and informed by the local culture and environment.  If you are shaping your local efforts based on aims for the macro-Machine, you are likely to miss intricate and vital details that would maximize the impact of your local actions. 

I don't see why you can't do both.  Let me offer up an example.  There's little point me going outside and putting up posters in an effort to spread a message of "Think For Yourself, Schmuck!" today - it feels like a drop in the ocean.

However, if it were a coordinated action/message over a dozen cities in North America and Europe, etc.. I could write a local events-magazine (the path from their offices to the nearest subway station would also feature the posters), pointing out that they're also mysteriously showing up in Amsterdam, New York and Australia.  Now these are still tiny drops, but they start to look bigger and have much more potential to capture attention to the message.

The cumulative effect of many local operations is a swing at the macro-Machine.

I don't see any way around it.

WHY!? WHY!? WHY WOULDN'T HE JUST FUCK ME INSTEAD!? 

Let's just nip that in the bud


As an aside, I think we should all post 16 year old passport photos, will somebody please think of the WOMPs?

Meh - children are their own future, fuck 'em.

It's starting to make sense to me.  But I may be lo5'ing it.

So, as long as people are creating, and Thinking for Themselves, who cares if they're Discordian?  You'll have a better time interacting with them, and communication of ideas will be easier.  Think pragmatically rather than idealistically: So long as other people are behaving in a manner you like, who gives a fuck what their core belief engine is?

That's the end-game/winning scenario, definitely.

What is driving my car at the moment is the thought that the link between "Creating" and "TFY:S" could be much stronger, and I don't see how to make it stronger without putting conscious effort into a Message.

Unless you're saying that Creating is the Message?  In which case - in recent history we moved from being a society of creators to a society of consumers - was there more "TFY:S" around back then?  Is there more "TFY:S" in developing nations who are less dominated by consumer culture?