Moreover, Mustaine stated that Christianity helped him to get back in the saddle - from baptised Lutheran, through being Witness of Jehova, through reading satanic bible and practising black magic, Dave returned to Christianity and became new-born Christian [10].
For the first time in a zillion years, I browsed through guitar magazines at the bookstore. A 'reader's letter' suggested that Dave Mustaine was a born againer. I found this hard to believe, however Wiki says it's true.
WTF?
Born again heavy metal? Does this mean we're due a Stryper revival?
Yep. I think he said he came back to God right around the same time he injured his arm or hand or hair or whatever. I'm more inclined to believe it happened sometime after the Rust In Peace recording sessions and tour because that's when Megadeth started to blow chunks. It must have turned him slightly less prickish too because he's let Ellefson back into the band. Now if he'd only get Marty Friedman and Nick Menza back, maybe he could make some decent music again.
I wonder if he ever plays Five Magics these days. That song seems a little un Born-Again-y.
Also, did you know that Tom Araya from Slayer was a member of the Catholic Church? It's true. Kinda weird, but apparently he has no problem reconciling his faith with Reign in Blood and South of Heaven.
Though, I do have to say there are actually a couple of decent examples of Christian Metal bands. Galactic Cowboys were one. Kings X, though less overt with their Christianity, are another. Well, I guess that's about it actually.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 09, 2010, 02:21:03 AM
Yep. I think he said he came back to God right around the same time he injured his arm or hand or hair or whatever. I'm more inclined to believe it happened sometime after the Rust In Peace recording sessions and tour because that's when Megadeth started to blow chunks. It must have turned him slightly less prickish too because he's let Ellefson back into the band. Now if he'd only get Marty Friedman and Nick Menza back, maybe he could make some decent music again.
I wonder if he ever plays Five Magics these days. That song seems a little un Born-Again-y.
Also, did you know that Tom Araya from Slayer was a member of the Catholic Church? It's true. Kinda weird, but apparently he has no problem reconciling his faith with Reign in Blood and South of Heaven.
Though, I do have to say there are actually a couple of decent examples of Christian Metal bands. Galactic Cowboys were one. Kings X, though less overt with their Christianity, are another. Well, I guess that's about it actually.
I had heard a bit about the Slayer/Catholic thing before. If you check out the Wiki page on Megadeth, there's a quote from Mustaine about blaming Friedman for making the band too 'pop'. There was me thinking 'ok, so they finally got someone in the band who can play the guitar...' but what do I know? :lol:
Neither Reign in Blood nor South of Heaven is overtly anti-catholic. the songs are allegory, so I'm not sure what he would need to reconcile.
Galactic Cowboys put out one brilliant album, and it had barely a word to say about god. The other albums are mediocre, and still don't really talk much about god. The only really good band I can think of that is overtly christian is Six Feet Deep (not to be confused with Six Feet Under).
Notice Megadeth did not make that list, as they haven't made a good album since Rust In Peace, which is starting to outweigh the fact that Rust In Peace is probably the single best metal album ever released.
There are much better christian bands out there, like
phlebotomized (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_0GhrcQhcQ)
and Vomitorial Corpulence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tj5v5wxWNw&feature=related)
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 09:47:04 AM
Neither Reign in Blood nor South of Heaven is overtly anti-catholic. the songs are allegory, so I'm not sure what he would need to reconcile.
OK, aside from "Behind the Crooked Cross".
and "Jesus Saves".
OTOH, his Catholicism comes out in "Silent Scream", which is an anti-abortion song.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 09:47:04 AM
Neither Reign in Blood nor South of Heaven is overtly anti-catholic. the songs are allegory, so I'm not sure what he would need to reconcile.
OK, aside from "Behind the Crooked Cross".
and "Jesus Saves".
OTOH, his Catholicism comes out in "Silent Scream", which is an anti-abortion song.
Jesus Wept is my favorite Suffocation song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoFbpOAx_XE
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 09:47:04 AM
Neither Reign in Blood nor South of Heaven is overtly anti-catholic. the songs are allegory, so I'm not sure what he would need to reconcile.
From the wiki page on Slayer it quotes him as saying he is very comfortable in his faith that song lyrics that might run counter are no problem for him. He goes on to pretty much say it's asinine that anyone of faith would feel bothered or threatened by something as trite as a song, book, movie, etc. So he seems to have a pretty healthy attitude and at the end of the day, he says if it's a good song it's a good song.
QuoteGalactic Cowboys put out one brilliant album, and it had barely a word to say about god. The other albums are mediocre, and still don't really talk much about god. The only really good band I can think of that is overtly christian is Six Feet Deep (not to be confused with Six Feet Under).
I'd say the first two GC albums are good. And actually there is at least one overt reference to god on "Speak to Me" from the debut album. Also, "If I Were A Killer" is definitely an anti-abortion song. But certainly they don't wear it on their sleeve like Stryper.
QuoteNotice Megadeth did not make that list, as they haven't made a good album since Rust In Peace, which is starting to outweigh the fact that Rust In Peace is probably the single best metal album ever released.
The new album, what I've heard of it, seems to be somewhat of a return to form, but it just doesn't have the fire that RIP had. And I would agree that RIP IS the best metal album ever released. In fact it just won the March-Madness styled tournament they had over at www.bnrmetal.com just barely beating out Master of Puppets. I imagine, though a rather small victory, that makes Mustaine happy.
Quote from: Mangrove on April 09, 2010, 04:42:08 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 09, 2010, 02:21:03 AM
Yep. I think he said he came back to God right around the same time he injured his arm or hand or hair or whatever. I'm more inclined to believe it happened sometime after the Rust In Peace recording sessions and tour because that's when Megadeth started to blow chunks. It must have turned him slightly less prickish too because he's let Ellefson back into the band. Now if he'd only get Marty Friedman and Nick Menza back, maybe he could make some decent music again.
I wonder if he ever plays Five Magics these days. That song seems a little un Born-Again-y.
Also, did you know that Tom Araya from Slayer was a member of the Catholic Church? It's true. Kinda weird, but apparently he has no problem reconciling his faith with Reign in Blood and South of Heaven.
Though, I do have to say there are actually a couple of decent examples of Christian Metal bands. Galactic Cowboys were one. Kings X, though less overt with their Christianity, are another. Well, I guess that's about it actually.
I had heard a bit about the Slayer/Catholic thing before. If you check out the Wiki page on Megadeth, there's a quote from Mustaine about blaming Friedman for making the band too 'pop'. There was me thinking 'ok, so they finally got someone in the band who can play the guitar...' but what do I know? :lol:
What really made RIP-era Megadeth work, in my opinion, was having both Friedman and Mustaine doing leads. They clearly had different styles with Mustaine being more stacatto and Friedman's being a bit more fluid. But when they came together on tunes like Holy Wars and Hangar 18 it was (pardon the cliche) magic. Also, Menza was a monster behind the kit.
Agreed. Hangar 18 might be my single favorite piece of guitarwork ever. Skolnick is probably my favorite metal guitarist, but Mustaine and Friedman together was a thing of beauty.
I didn't think the first GC album was all that good, but "Space In Your Face" has been one of my favorite albums since I was 16. Dane Sonnier was wicked underrated as a guitar player.
In other news, Stryper are currently working on a covers album.
I listened to the new Megadeth album today.
It's not very good for the most part, though there are a couple of tracks that sort of remind me of "Peace Sells" crossed with the better stuff on "Cryptic Writings". The best song on the album though, IMO, is the instrumental intro track and that's never a good sign. Also, knowing that Mustaine is born-again makes the anti-governmental paranoia that's always been present in his lyrics come off sounding like Teabagger metal. Whether intentional or not, the effect is detrimental to my enjoyment of the album.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 11, 2010, 06:18:20 AM
I listened to the new Megadeth album today.
It's not very good for the most part, though there are a couple of tracks that sort of remind me of "Peace Sells" crossed with the better stuff on "Cryptic Writings". The best song on the album though, IMO, is the instrumental intro track and that's never a good sign. Also, knowing that Mustaine is born-again makes the anti-governmental paranoia that's always been present in his lyrics come off sounding like Teabagger metal. Whether intentional or not, the effect is detrimental to my enjoyment of the album.
I know this feeling. Mrs Mang' & I experienced it today when we stopped by our local arts center and noticed a car that was plastered with stickers including:
Don't tread on me
Buck Ofama (with a hammer & sickle logo)
Something badly worded...think it was about gun control
Something about anyone with an Obama sticker being stupid and...piece de resistance!!
SARAH PALAIN 2012
Needless to say, were busting to know who the car belonged to. A Fat blonde white woman.
In other news: I saw Megadeth with Friedman in 1992 when they toured with the album that followed on from RIP (Countdown to extinction??). It was a pretty cool gig, Friedman was particularly cool. In fact, he was the chief reason why I went.
:lulz: at the bumper sticker lady.
If I could figure out how to list my favorite bands in order, no matter what order they were in I'm 100% certain that Megadeth would be the highest-ranked band I've never seen live. And now there would be no reason to bother.
:sadbanana:
I would love to see a Big 4 concert. Despite the fact it would feature Metallica. Especially if it features an Anthrax fronted by John Bush.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on April 12, 2010, 01:55:38 PM
I would love to see a Big 4 concert. Despite the fact it would feature Metallica. Especially if it features an Anthrax fronted by John Bush.
I don't know why a concert with Megadeth, Slayer, Anthrax, and Testament would have to include Metallica.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 12, 2010, 07:05:04 AM
If I could figure out how to list my favorite bands in order, no matter what order they were in I'm 100% certain that Megadeth would be the highest-ranked band I've never seen live. And now there would be no reason to bother.
:sadbanana:
Sorry dude.
No doubt, I'll totally kill what shred of credibility I had, by mentioning that the support band were Pantera and, not caring for them, I stayed in the bar and waited until they got off stage before entering the venue.
Don't be concerned about credibility, everyone likes what they like. You did miss a chance to see one of the best guitar players that ever picked up a six-string, and you'll never get the chance again. He was a special talent regardless of whether you generally like their music or not. If you're not a fan, check out their cover of Black Sabbath's "Planet Caravan" and listen to his playing.
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 13, 2010, 07:02:19 AM
Don't be concerned about credibility, everyone likes what they like. You did miss a chance to see one of the best guitar players that ever picked up a six-string, and you'll never get the chance again. He was a special talent regardless of whether you generally like their music or not. If you're not a fan, check out their cover of Black Sabbath's "Planet Caravan" and listen to his playing.
And this is the thing. I didn't like Pantera, still don't. But Step Mang #3 does and he played me that very Black Sabbath cover and I was like: "Uh oh...that guy was really good and he's dead. Oops."
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 10:59:21 AM
Quote from: Emerald City Hustle on April 09, 2010, 09:47:04 AM
Neither Reign in Blood nor South of Heaven is overtly anti-catholic. the songs are allegory, so I'm not sure what he would need to reconcile.
OK, aside from "Behind the Crooked Cross".
Though I can see and anti-Christian interpretation of the song, I've always thought "Behind the Crooked Cross" is about Nazis, told from the point of view of a German soldier as he becomes disillusioned with Hitler, with the crooked cross being a swastika. So I don't see a need to reconcile that with Catholicism, either (unless you were referring to the Hitler Youth background of the Pope, and not an anti-Christian message in the song itself).
I always interpreted it more generally, as a screed against the Catholic Church using its power militarily, either directly or through proxies. Not that I've really ever given it that much thought. South of heaven is my least favorite Slayer album, aside from anything that came out after "Diabolus en Musica".