Principia Discordia

P.L.U.R, motherfuckers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofwq2rhTBwE

Teh navkat loves you

What about responsibility?

Peace: Keep the peace. Encourage peace. Make peace. Do things that encourage peace daily and in all of your dealings with your fellow ravers.
Love: Give it. Have some in your heart. Do things that make it--like exchanging KandE bracelets and caring for others.
Unity: We are a family. Look out for your fellow worshippers in Dance. Keep your eyes open for those who aren't handling their shit and help them handle their shit. The same way you'd take the keys from a drunk friend, you stay aware of your fellow partyers and make sure no one's overdoing themselves. Bring someone water and insist they sit down if they look like they're losing themselves. Be a self-sufficient society that doesn't need cops called and no one going home in an ambulance.
Respect: Let people be who they are. Encourage acceptance of people's identity and choices--so long as those choices aren't hurting people. Respect those around you who may not identify the way you do--this includes non-ravers who have the right not to have your music, tastes, drugs, etc imposed upon them. Pick up your trash. Don't create filth.

http://www.livingart.com/raving/articles/article11.htm

QuoteA RAVER'S MANIFESTO

(author unknown)

Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy. Our nourishment of choice is Love. Our addiction of choice is technology. Our religion of choice is music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of choice is none. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it will never be.

You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may misunderstand us. You may be unaware of our existence. We can only hope you do not care to judge us, because we would never judge you. We are not criminals. We are not disillusioned. We are not drug addicts. We are not naive children. We are one massive, global, tribal village that transcends man-made law, physical geography, and time itself. We are The Massive. One Massive.

We were first drawn by the sound. From far away, the thunderous, muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother's heart soothing a child in her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring. We were drawn back into this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and darkness of it, we came to accept that we are all the same. We came to accept that we are all equal. Not only to the darkness, and to ourselves, but to the very music slamming into us and passing through our souls: we are all equal. And somewhere around 35Hz we could feel the hand of God at our backs, pushing us forward, pushing us to push ourselves to strengthen our minds, our bodies, and our spirits. Pushing us to turn to the person beside us to join hands and uplift them by sharing the uncontrollable joy we felt from creating this magical bubble that can, for one evening, protect us from the horrors, atrocities, and pollution of the outside world. It is in that very instant, with these very realizations that each of was truly born. We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or warehouses, or buildings you've abandoned and left for naught, and we bring life to them for one night. Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in it's purest, most intense, most hedonistic form.

In these makeshift spaces, we seek to shed ourselves of the burden of uncertainty for a future you have been unable to stabilize and secure for us. We seek to relinquish our inhibitions, and free ourselves from the shackles and restraints you've put on us for your own peace of mind. We seek to re-write the programming that you have tried to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born. Programming that tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff ourselves into the nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming that even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and run through mazes and on hamster wheels. Programming that tells us to eat from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead of nourish ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that tells us to close our minds, instead of open them.

Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by revealing the dystopian reality of the world you've created for us, we dance fiercely with our brothers and sisters in celebration of our life, of our culture, and of the values we believe in: Peace, Love, Freedom, Tolerance, Unity, Harmony, Expression, Responsibility and Respect.

Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information. Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever laws you feel you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating our existence. But know that while you may shut down any given party, on any given night, in any given city, in any given country or continent on this beautiful planet, you can never shut down the entire party. You don't have access to that switch, no matter what you may think. The music will never stop. The heartbeat will never fade. The party will never end. I am a raver, and this is my manifesto.

http://hermetic.com/bey/taz3.html#labelTAZ

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The Temporary Autonomous Zone, Ontological Anarchy, Poetic Terrorism
By Hakim Bey
THE TEMPORARY AUTONOMOUS ZONE

Pirate Utopias
THE SEA-ROVERS AND CORSAIRS of the 18th century created an "information network" that spanned the globe: primitive and devoted primarily to grim business, the net nevertheless functioned admirably. Scattered throughout the net were islands, remote hideouts where ships could be watered and provisioned, booty traded for luxuries and necessities. Some of these islands supported "intentional communities," whole mini-societies living consciously outside the law and determined to keep it up, even if only for a short but merry life.

I still don't see the responsibility. Never did, not even when I was with Kai'enne.

Catharsis through music and dance.
Revolution through unabashed hedonism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7hxRgkqK2g

Quote from: ZL 'Kai' Burington, M.S. on January 16, 2012, 09:25:57 PM
I still don't see the responsibility. Never did, not even when I was with Kai'enne.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I wish you got a chance to see what I see.

There's a lot of shitbirds who are just looking to get fucked up and don't care what they take or how they treat others. There are also those of us who choose to passively keep this park clean for others to discover as well.

Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information.

While I'm all about letting Ravers dance until their joints disintegrate, and more power to 'em, what exactly are they doing to combat ignorance?  What information are they imparting or sharing?

As far as the whole hiding from the world thing, I'm okay with that, because 99% of the population does that anyway, only they use the television.

Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 09:29:12 PM
Catharsis through music and dance.
Revolution through unabashed hedonism.

I'm okay with the catharsis thing.

I don't see the revolution, though. 

Though I gotta say, I'd rather have kids dancing at a rave than attending a Young Republican conference or joining the teabaggers.

Not that they'd have 'em, of course.  I've never seen a fat raver, and you need some cushion before the wingnuts will have you.

Calling hedonism revolution is insulting and degrading to hard working hedonists everywhere.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 16, 2012, 09:33:19 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information.

While I'm all about letting Ravers dance until their joints disintegrate, and more power to 'em, what exactly are they doing to combat ignorance?  What information are they imparting or sharing?

As far as the whole hiding from the world thing, I'm okay with that, because 99% of the population does that anyway, only they use the television.

Erowid.com
Bluelight.ru
DanceSafe.org

You have to understand that the roots of this thing started when the internet was new and revolutionary in and of itself. The sharing of information, the spirit of educating others was (and still is) a big deal. "Here's the scientific end of what you need to know about the stuff you're putting into your body" was (and to some degree, remains) a big part of this culture.

The rest of it is passive. Racism isn't tolerated. Homophobia is detestable. Nerds, geeks, books and the exchange of informed ideas are lauded.

None of this is much different than what we do right here, on this forum. We occasionally get dicks and retards who just think walking around with the five-fingered hand tattooed on their ass is "cool as fuck, man." The dance scene gets its share of the same sort of people who get it but don't really "get it." Human garbage disposals who will eat any thing you put in front of them and play with glowsticks all night, go home with some "hot raver chicks" and then proceed to act like assholes in their daily lives: nothing changed, no message learned.

The rave is nothing more than another vehicle. I'm not so naive that I believe I'm somehow superior to anyone else who has found these truths in other ways and I'm smart enough to know that those of us who are capable and hungry for this level of understanding would and will find it with and without a 4/4 beat, 303 and a bunch of sweaty ravers dancing next to us.

But it's a community...and it makes it just a little bit easier to find the others...like this community. It enhances the probability of finding like-minded souls, it validates in both words and non-words an experience and a feeling and a set of concepts otherwise impossible to articulate and when the music is thumping, the vibe is there and the people around you are plugged in, it's nothing short of magic.

Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 10:00:29 PM
You have to understand that the roots of this thing started when the internet was new and revolutionary in and of itself. The sharing of information, the spirit of educating others was (and still is) a big deal. "Here's the scientific end of what you need to know about the stuff you're putting into your body" was (and to some degree, remains) a big part of this culture.

Doesn't count.

Quote from: navkat on January 16, 2012, 10:00:29 PM

The rest of it is passive. Racism isn't tolerated. Homophobia is detestable. Nerds, geeks, books and the exchange of informed ideas are lauded.

Counts.

PLUR must rule on.
Let's trance dance till we die. Life is a dance, many dances, weaving with each other.
So...shake your body:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBGmNBDoJo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnBGmNBDoJo)

"Everybody 'round the world, welcome to the rave!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdge7PMoPaI&sns=em

I appreciate the rave scene as a place where some people can fit in and feel like they have a home and a family, but there is just no way I can take it seriously as a social movement. I know a lot of Burners who sincerely believe that Burning Man and its associated festivals and culture is some kind of social movement, too, and I just. Yeah. They're all "Our partying is changing the world!" and I'm all, um, no. Sorry dudes, I'm glad you're having fun and all, but your party is not a revolution.

In fact, you getting high and dancing in a warehouse is exactly not at all different from what young people in American have been doing for a couple centuries now.

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
I appreciate the rave scene as a place where some people can fit in and feel like they have a home and a family, but there is just no way I can take it seriously as a social movement. I know a lot of Burners who sincerely believe that Burning Man and its associated festivals and culture is some kind of social movement, too, and I just. Yeah. They're all "Our partying is changing the world!" and I'm all, um, no. Sorry dudes, I'm glad you're having fun and all, but your party is not a revolution.

In fact, you getting high and dancing in a warehouse is exactly not at all different from what young people in American have been doing for a couple centuries now.

It's just one of the more recent incarnations of the endless cycle of music/dance/catharsis/rebellion/hedonism/revolu..ohshitwefuckedup/decadence/drugs/self-destruct.

But it's still a vehicle. Without it, without places and situations in which to articulate that timeless rebellion and idealism and exchange of "right thinking" and community, you kill off a large part of the very concept within the consciousness of the potential collective before it's even born in their minds...like SOPA...and Doubleplusungood. They'll never know what they never knew. Kill the language and you kill the concept.

I believe (and you may disagree) that youthful decadence is a gateway drug to rebellion of tyrrany.

I don't do the drugs anymore. I don't need them and they're ineffective now. The cost/benefit analysis in my head tells me:
1. I learned all I'm really gonna learn from them
2. The ball's been set in motion and I'm doing a decent job at keeping it rolling (lulz) without the pillz
3. I have responsibilities now that raise risk to uncomfortable levels
4. I'm more useful to this movement, the revolution of decadence and to my fellow man as the "designated driver" for the rest of this trip, man. I'm an EMT. My job is to educate people about how to be careful and do it RIGHT and to clean their asses up off the deck when they're doing it WRONG.

My job is to take these ideals, stop chattering on about them in the bathroom of the venue with a nasty case of the eye wiggles and the teeth-grindies and put them into PRACTICE.

But I still reserve the right to dance about them responsibly when I'm off-duty.

But that seems to be basically the same as saying "being young is being part of the revolution".

What does partying have to do with it? That just seems like a glorification/justification of partying.

When I was 18-22ish the club and rave scene was huge, much more so than it is now. It was the heyday of the club kids. Same culture you describe; lots of hedonism and rebellion.

A lot of those kids went on to work for Enron and Boeing and Bank of America. There is nothing inherently rebellious or revolutionary about partying. You may be a revolutionary who parties, but don't delude yourself that it means you're doing something important.

And how many potentially effective revolutionaries get lost in the party?

It's all about experience.
Can you describe to someone else the feeling of dancing while watching the Sun going up at 3 am? It's like talking about orgasms.
Without drugs it's impossible to imagine the rave scene, but you have always the choice to say no. No one is forcing them into you.
There are dickheads, of course, but they're everywhere.
Are people doing something for the changing of the general human consciousness? I can't give an answer to this. The only to do is to go to rave, experience the rave, and then make your own conclusions.
PLUR

I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

OMG!
Where are the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu, furthermore know as the JAMS, furthermore known as the K-L-F on a rave thread!
They rocked the raves back in the nineties.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzNKXTAi658 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzNKXTAi658)

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution. It would be a bit like saying that making beads is part of the revolution, know what I mean? Or that fire dancing or getting a tattoo is part of the revolution. People tell themselves all kinds of silly things to make themselves feel good, but if partying was revolutionary the 70's wouldn't have been the end of an era of progressive thought in the US, it would have been the beginning.

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution. It would be a bit like saying that making beads is part of the revolution, know what I mean? Or that fire dancing or getting a tattoo is part of the revolution. People tell themselves all kinds of silly things to make themselves feel good, but if partying was revolutionary the 70's wouldn't have been the end of an era of progressive thought in the US, it would have been the beginning.

Actually, I do find you to be a bit revolutionary, having escaped working for a corporation and instead, fired yourself into the hybrid of an artist/businesswoman. With kids.

I am endlessly enchanted by the little, disobediant things people do that add to the fun/good/kindness/freedom pile in life. Even if it seems like bullshit to others, putting any little bit out there means acres to me.

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 08:05:43 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution. It would be a bit like saying that making beads is part of the revolution, know what I mean? Or that fire dancing or getting a tattoo is part of the revolution. People tell themselves all kinds of silly things to make themselves feel good, but if partying was revolutionary the 70's wouldn't have been the end of an era of progressive thought in the US, it would have been the beginning.

Actually, I do find you to be a bit revolutionary, having escaped working for a corporation and instead, fired yourself into the hybrid of an artist/businesswoman. With kids.

I am endlessly enchanted by the little, disobediant things people do that add to the fun/good/kindness/freedom pile in life. Even if it seems like bullshit to others, putting any little bit out there means acres to me.

I may be a revolutionary. You may be a revolutionary. However, making beads is not revolutionary, and neither is partying.

BRB gonna go take a pee for the Revolution.

VIVA LA URINATÍON.

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
They're all "Our partying is changing the world!"

I can't stand it.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 03:49:03 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
They're all "Our partying is changing the world!"

I can't stand it.

Those Crusty people are doing it too. "Our dumpster diving and not bathing is changing the world!"

:lulz:

Quote from: Nigel on January 19, 2012, 04:16:22 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 03:49:03 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
They're all "Our partying is changing the world!"

I can't stand it.

Those Crusty people are doing it too. "Our dumpster diving and not bathing is changing the world!"

:lulz:

Well, it is.  They're making it smellier.

Which is a kind of change.

Partying is changing the world is bullshit but...people keep experiencing something, both with and without drugs.
As far as I understood from reading books and post, and partly from personal experience, the "prophet syndrome" is a very common state when the higher circuits got activated. And dancing, especially to repetitive beats, had always been one of the most strongest, most reliable ways to change your consciousness.
And another thing about rave is chillout. If there would have been no raves, there would have been no downtempo, chill music, lounge music, and so on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNX2_-hlFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNX2_-hlFY)

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 04:17:01 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 19, 2012, 04:16:22 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 19, 2012, 03:49:03 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
They're all "Our partying is changing the world!"

I can't stand it.

Those Crusty people are doing it too. "Our dumpster diving and not bathing is changing the world!"

:lulz:

Well, it is.  They're making it smellier.

Which is a kind of change.

:lulz: True fact: these guys were club kids when they were young https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGkKnldZHpE

True fact #2: that is also exactly how it would go down if Roger and I ever hung out and dropped some e.

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 19, 2012, 09:17:33 PM
Partying is changing the world is bullshit but...people keep experiencing something, both with and without drugs.
As far as I understood from reading books and post, and partly from personal experience, the "prophet syndrome" is a very common state when the higher circuits got activated. And dancing, especially to repetitive beats, had always been one of the most strongest, most reliable ways to change your consciousness.
And another thing about rave is chillout. If there would have been no raves, there would have been no downtempo, chill music, lounge music, and so on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNX2_-hlFY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQNX2_-hlFY)

Right now I'm experiencing something without the use of drugs. I am experiencing the fact that I need to take a shit.

Sure, dancing can be consciousness-changing and trance-inducing. So can a Catholic Mass. Are they revolutionary, though? Fuck no. People have been having dance parties since FOR FUCKING EVER. Ecstatic, sweaty, blissful, chemically-altered dance parties. The revolutionary ones have been few and far between, and in the history of the US have mostly involved things like white girls dancing with black boys.

If I was b. In the 1900s, I'd have been a flapper.

Why not be a flapper now?

Nothing should be stopping you. Unless youre younger than 12 you were born in the 1900s. ;) plus youd beat the hipsters to it. Listen to jazz before it bacame an excuse for inability to make appealing music.

That's a mythical "before", I'm assuming.

Shhh dont kill the idea with facts.


Though truth be told i would listen to duke ellington over some pompous berklee kid in a second

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 20, 2012, 01:18:02 AM
That's a mythical "before", I'm assuming.

Say what you will, Cab Calloway was a hep cat.

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Quote from: Triple Zero on January 20, 2012, 02:08:51 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Navkat and I communicated with each other just fine as far as I can tell. Unless I'm totally missing something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4w6r3nr9OM

Is this your absolute last post for realz this time? Just curious.

Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 20, 2012, 10:22:25 PM
Is this your absolute last post for realz this time? Just curious.

I'm in the process of deleting all my posts. I will be replacing them with music, famous quotes, and a veritable cornucopia of pictures from Picasso's blue period.

Let go of your hate Billy. Believe it or not, I'll miss you the most.   

Im a likeable guy from what i hear.

Quote from: Triple Zero on January 20, 2012, 02:08:51 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

Quote from: navkat on January 21, 2012, 06:11:33 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on January 20, 2012, 02:08:51 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

I can accept that it made YOU a better person much more readily than I can accept the idea that there's something all that special/unique/elite about a party scene that somehow inherently makes people better/more evolved/more conscious.

Quote from: Nigel on January 21, 2012, 07:36:07 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 21, 2012, 06:11:33 PM

Quote from: Triple Zero on January 20, 2012, 02:08:51 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 18, 2012, 07:55:48 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 18, 2012, 06:43:32 PM
I prefer if everyone finds their own vehicle...it doesn't have to be The Rave. I'd just like to share mine sometimes.

Feel free to share the things you love! I am just saying that it's a bit silly to claim that the rave itself is inherently part of some kind of revolution.

Um. She already nuanced and elaborated on that the first time you said it. Repeatedly asserting it is just building a straw man.

So it's not a revolution. As Navkat elaborated, it's more like a "timeless rebellion", kids have always been partying and probably will always continue to do so. So maybe it's not "changing" anything, if it's always been around in some sense or another.

But what I'm taking from it, is that it is important that it does exist, and happens. Because you need to exercise your freedoms in order to keep them. And this is a beautiful thing worth keeping.

Thank you. This needed saying but I couldn't say it. When it gets to the point where repeating myself or expounding any more feels like I'm preaching or shoving my ideals up someone else's arsehole, I usually opt to remain silent and allow people to take what value they've already chosen from what I've said and shitcan the rest.

Sometimes, people argue that it's just a bunch of drugs and good times (it sorta is) that means nothing and then later, after something touches them or when no one else is around, they'll admit to some little bit of awesomeness.

Funny thing about the "ever-revolving, non-revolution" of dance/music/rebelion: it opens you up to a host of new and fantastical experiences both of closeness/sense of community with others and personal epiphanies/discoveries that you sometimes either can not or will not explain or admit because to do so either feels trite and cheapens it or makes you sound misguided and no one really understands/cares.

It made me a better person. You don't have to believe me, you don't have to agree. Just know that I genuinely believe this for a plethora of reasons you think are silly, but that I'm usually a pretty smart girl and I'm not talking bouts of hysteria with fractals and schrodinger's cat spiritualism so I'm probably not being 100% full of shit, either.

So if all you see is fun, awesome. I'm happy with that. Welcome to the party.

I can accept that it made YOU a better person much more readily than I can accept the idea that there's something all that special/unique/elite about a party scene that somehow inherently makes people better/more evolved/more conscious.

This. There is a dark underbelly to the rave scene and has been for years.  The number of old school promoters actually trying to keep what once was alive have dwindled down to almost nothing. The experience is only what you make of it.

Not to mention the fact that there is no global rave scene, it is entirely subjective from locality to locality.
My subjective experience: It's full of wankers.

People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

Quote from: Nigel on January 22, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I think you've nailed it, Nigel. And I do think that it's possible that being part of a scene can better an individual and turn them into a revolutionary. That, however, is not necessarily reflective of the scene as a whole, and probably quite the opposite, in a majority of cases.

Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 22, 2012, 11:06:33 PM

Quote from: Nigel on January 22, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I think you've nailed it, Nigel. And I do think that it's possible that being part of a scene can better an individual and turn them into a revolutionary. That, however, is not necessarily reflective of the scene as a whole, and probably quite the opposite, in a majority of cases.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at, pretty much.

Quote from: Nigel on January 22, 2012, 10:59:55 PM
People tend to say more or less the same things about whatever clique/club/group they're involved in. Rainbow Tribe, Burners, the club/rave scene, etc.

It's some kind of "feeling like a part of something greater" thing that seems ingrained. And it is important (maybe even vital for mental health) for people, especially young people, to "belong" somewhere.

I had a very strong identity as a metalhead when I was younger. And the preppies and jocks were our enemies, and borderline retarded even though they all qualified for the same exam school that I and all of my metalhead friends also qualified for.

Now I'm just some dude who likes heavy metal and goes to heavy metal concerts. I don't even really play heavy metal all of the time. I consider my band to be sorta metal but closer to hard rock. Then I go and do crazy shit like play Irish folk music or say to myself, hey, I'll figure out how to do this synth thing. Oh, hey, how bout some mandolin? Yep.

And then you have those weird moments where one of the following happens.

You're in the car with your mom, and Stairway to Heaven comes on and you both reach for the volume knob.
You're in the car with your step-father and you're in the driver's seat and you have a Cradle of Filth CD in there, and he asks, "Who's this band, I love their drummer."
You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 22, 2012, 11:11:44 PM
You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

Actually, there's only one song in the history of ever that would make my dad cool: "Rock & Roll Clown".

That is all.

Quote from: Doktor M. Phox0 on January 22, 2012, 11:16:56 PM

Quote from: Billy the Twid on January 22, 2012, 11:11:44 PM
You realize that retarded song that your dad used to sing to himself is by that band that you ended up liking independently and your dad is cooler than you thought even though you are loath to admit it.

Actually, there's only one song in the history of ever that would make my dad cool: "Rock & Roll Clown".

That is all.

Ok, so I'm talking about finding out that both me and dad like the Doors since I always thought his favorite thing to listen to was ceili music and AM talk radio. But even though it's Twid-specific, I think the overall concept is applicable.

When I was part of the Free Party/Rave scene I was all new agey bullshit and so were the majority of the other people I socialised with.  Crowds atmospheres depended on the dominant drug in circulation. LSD, mushrooms and MDMA made for a mostly good crowd. When cocaine became more dominant it got very cliquey and as I was never a coke user I was always kinda left out.  Add to that that coke makes people arrogant assholes to a certain degree, and the scene gets kinda odd. Ketamine had an odd vibe to it if a lot of people were on it. I once ran around a warehouse in Bracknell on some kind of hallucinogenic truffle muttering about "dirty donkey dust" every time I came across someone lunched out  in a K-Hole.

Another aspect that troubled me is that we all projected and internalised this "harmony with nature" ideology that was part and parcel with the scene. Yet the bass beats would frighten the animals such as deer into the roads and they would get hit by cars, and it didn't seem to bother anyone I knew.. I found that a little hypocritical.

Not to mention creepers who at 60+ were shagging barely legal girls cos they ran the sound systems and would give them free drugs and call themselves stupid names like Merlin. 

There were a few genuinely lovely people, tho, and as a lass I always felt physically safe in the environment. There were less guys playing grab-ass or starting fights than the average high street on a saturday night. There was always an element of looking out for your fellow partygoers with water, a spare ciggie paper, a free hug or ruffling someone's hair to make them rush. Mostly I feel now that the openness and connectedness was artificial and chemically induced, because a lot of the time it didn't carry through to long term friendships, or the paid club scene.

And drum and bass followed by dub at sunrise was my favourite time of the party, cos by then only the hardcore lovers of that type of tunes would be dancing and the eco-hippies would do their best to clean up after the rest of us, while the designated drivers slept it off and those barely hanging on would be just waiting to go home.

I guess I have mixed feelings about it. If i were to do it all again I would have avoided all the irritating psy-trance and new age bullshit tho.

Before I got into that whole scene I was purely a rock club girl. It expanded my taste in music, but I'm not entirely sure if that was purely the MDMA.  There is something pleasantly amusing to be the "rock chick" in amongst a bunch of "chavs" all dancing to Drum and Bass and no-one being weird with you cos your giving it the same energy to the same music. In any other environment I would have been scared and suspicious of those guys, and they would have been aggressive towards me.

Quote from: Faust on January 22, 2012, 10:41:00 PM
Not to mention the fact that there is no global rave scene, it is entirely subjective from locality to locality.
My subjective experience: It's full of wankers.

Yep. That was certainly the case in Seattle in the 90s.

And all those revolutionary raver kids have tech jobs in some Eastside corporate office park now. Except for the ones that ended up strung out and homeless.

Ive never done anything heavy. Obviously im fond of booze and occasionally weed. Did a bit of prescription stuff (valium and ritalin) but i never really saw the point. But i saw a friend rolling on e while i was drunk mind you and i thought to myself no dont want to do that it is a very unnatural looking happy...

Twid
gateway argunent is bollocks

Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 23, 2012, 01:05:15 AM
Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.

I can pay about $18 for a thirty rack of shite beer and have a great time with a small group of friends.

Honestly I don't see the point either. You get one sort of buzz from booze and another from THC. What else do you need? I talked to a couple of people who have done coke and they said it's basically that you stay up all night and talk about shit. I can do that with too many beers. WHy do I need to do coke and erode my septum and maybe get arrested?

See, if coke actually kept me up all night and made me gregarious I might like it. But it makes me cranky and sullen. And it turns EVERYONE into an asshole. What a stupid "party" drug.

Plus the part where every time you buy cocaine, you're doing your part to murder Mexican peasants. So it's stupid AND horribly immoral.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 23, 2012, 01:05:15 AM
Personally, I never saw the point of E.

A dose of the real stuff (pure molly, none of those crappy press-tabs) used to go for about $25.

I could take a $5 hit of acid and do a little speed and get twice the (essentially same) high for less than half the price.

I always liked it; it was a very calm, lucid high.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 23, 2012, 01:23:07 AM
See, if coke actually kept me up all night and made me gregarious I might like it. But it makes me cranky and sullen. And it turns EVERYONE into an asshole. What a stupid "party" drug.

Plus the part where every time you buy cocaine, you're doing your part to murder Mexican peasants. So it's stupid AND horribly immoral.

I have done it twice, and the second time I thought "OH FUCK I hated this the first time, why the hell did I do it again?"

ick.

Plus, yeah, the murdering Mexican peasants thing.

I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

Quote from: navkat on January 23, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

I love cocaine. Though I've seen two of my best friends throw their lives away abusing it, I'm one of the lucky few that seem to be able to use it and then put it away for months or years at a time without any problem.

Navkat- i think my take on is from a couple of different perspectives. Is it ready to be consumed after some organism created it without further processing (minus distillation)? For example booze weed shrooms and peyote buttons. What is its effect? How addictive is it? How is it administered? How long does the effect last? What are the health risks involved?

I gotta say, I've always though the whole "I only do natural drugs" thing is crap.

Go find some bush weed and smoke it and you'll realize exactly how processed and human-fucked-with the stuff you usually smoke really is.

Quote from: DECI4 on January 24, 2012, 08:03:25 AM

Quote from: navkat on January 23, 2012, 08:21:58 PM
I wonder if there's some common neural physiology thing that occurs among smart people that causes similar response to substances.

Specifically, I'm wondering what the selection bias is here on either a physiological and/or psychological level that causes a similar response to cocaine when it seems as though the rest of the world loves it. Is it a muted dopamine response? Or is it something else?

I love cocaine. Though I've seen two of my best friends throw their lives away abusing it, I'm one of the lucky few that seem to be able to use it and then put it away for months or years at a time without any problem.

That's too bad. Maybe you should try harder. I suggest cooking up some freebase next time.

Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisol)!

And don't burden your conscience with the fact that you, as a consumer of cocaine, are directly responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. I mean, not only are they in another country but they're not even white, so it's not like you're killing REAL people, right?

You have a point ech. I had just woken up though and was thinking more along the lines of whatever possessed people to make meth?

Short answer?

World War 2. It was originally given to soldiers to keep them alert.

:x

Distilled alcohol is about as processed and natural as heroin.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisol)!

As if the levimisol cut is confined to Seattle.  :roll: Also I find the subtle flavoring it imparts to be quite pleasant.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
And don't burden your conscience with the fact that you, as a consumer of cocaine, are directly responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. I mean, not only are they in another country but they're not even white, so it's not like you're killing REAL people, right?

Americas war on drugs are responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. Apply your humorously naive logic to some other things Americans, and perhaps even you consume and you might not be so self-righteous after all.

Quote from: DECI4 on January 24, 2012, 09:04:35 PM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisol)!

As if the levimisol cut is confined to Seattle.  :roll: Also I find the subtle flavoring it imparts to be quite pleasant.

Of course not. It's just that in other places, they cut cocaine with levamisol. In Seattle they cut baby laxative with levamisol and call it cocaine. And then the asshole hipsters and the bros from the suburbs pretend they're high and talk shit about the white trash tweekers as though there were a difference.

Quote from: DECI4 on January 24, 2012, 09:08:47 PM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
And don't burden your conscience with the fact that you, as a consumer of cocaine, are directly responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. I mean, not only are they in another country but they're not even white, so it's not like you're killing REAL people, right?

Americas war on drugs are responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. Apply your humorously naive logic to some other things Americans, and perhaps even you consume and you might not be so self-righteous after all.

Awesome point, bro.

you know, if I was in America.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 11:13:37 PM

Quote from: DECI4 on January 24, 2012, 09:08:47 PM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:24:45 PM
And don't burden your conscience with the fact that you, as a consumer of cocaine, are directly responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. I mean, not only are they in another country but they're not even white, so it's not like you're killing REAL people, right?

Americas war on drugs are responsible for the deaths of Mexicans. Apply your humorously naive logic to some other things Americans, and perhaps even you consume and you might not be so self-righteous after all.

Awesome point, bro.

you know, if I was in America.

Where you at bro?

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 11:11:13 PM

Quote from: DECI4 on January 24, 2012, 09:04:35 PM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 24, 2012, 12:22:49 PM
Oh, and that stuff you snort in Seattle? That's barely cocaine at all. But hey, enjoy your Levamisol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levamisol)!

As if the levimisol cut is confined to Seattle.  :roll: Also I find the subtle flavoring it imparts to be quite pleasant.

Of course not. It's just that in other places, they cut cocaine with levamisol. In Seattle they cut baby laxative with levamisol and call it cocaine. And then the asshole hipsters and the bros from the suburbs pretend they're high and talk shit about the white trash tweekers as though there were a difference.

I know Seattle is a small town in the grand scheme of things but its pretty unlikely that I would know your friends.

It's reasonably likely that we know some people in common, but I've honestly only ever liked one person I've met from that particular island.

And, sadly, he turned into a tweeker.

Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

Tinfoil hat time: every so often, something in me goes "would The Government or some other authoritative body put shit in the drugs on purpose to achieve some diabolical, malevolent end" and then I realize: "Silly girl! You don't have to imagine some crazy conspiracy! People are already putting shit in the drugs for profit!"

There is a documented case of a woman contracting flesh-eating bacteria from injecting "bath salts".  Which is really weird because most people who are using "bath salts" are snorting or smoking them, not injecting them. 

But that stuff is really bad news.  Experienced junkies are going on record to say it is bad shit that everyone should stay far the fuck away from. 

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

Tinfoil hat time: every so often, something in me goes "would The Government or some other authoritative body put shit in the drugs on purpose to achieve some diabolical, malevolent end" and then I realize: "Silly girl! You don't have to imagine some crazy conspiracy! People are already putting shit in the drugs for profit!"

Profit is already pretty much the only conspiracy you need.

The Raver "culture".  Hmm.  Manifestos.  High-minded ideas based on taking e and dancing til your knees explode.  Tribal images.

It sounds - to me - like a Pentacostal Church, only with dirty clothes.  Now, I'm not saying that people shouldn't rave...What you do to get your kicks is YOUR business, not mine.  But to elevate it to a religion of some kind, or a movement, just strikes me as more primate wiring.  Every primate needs a tribe, and sooner or later, they'll find one.

Fuck that noise.  You wanna dance?  Then just fucking dance.  There's no need to wrap it up in "revolution" or anything like that.  That, to my mind, would cheapen the experience of just going out and having fun.  Remember fun?  It's that stuff you used to have before you started worrying so much.  And as I've said, when primates worry, they go looking for a tribe/religion/movement.

But we aren't just primates, Navkat, we're superior mutants.  We don't NEED to believe in glorious causes that don't exist.  We can just shut up and dance LIKE HELL!

This has been your daily moment of clarity.  You may now return to peeing on trees to mark your territory.

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

Tinfoil hat time: every so often, something in me goes "would The Government or some other authoritative body put shit in the drugs on purpose to achieve some diabolical, malevolent end" and then I realize: "Silly girl! You don't have to imagine some crazy conspiracy! People are already putting shit in the drugs for profit!"

Nope, it's a cattle de-worming drug that has become the favorite cutting agent for cocaine distributors. Less noticeable in terms of flavor and appearance than other cuts, doesn't affect the burn-off temperature as much so you can fool people into thinking they're getting better coke than they actually are, and it can cause agranulocytosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agranulocytosis), which is a horrifying and potentially fatal imune system crash.

The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 25, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Dude, don't even get started here. It's like eating a bowl of metal spikes with a side of glass while listening to the sound of chalkboard robins screetching outside your window.

I'm glad I got to see the bits I did:  it re-booted my head for awhile and made me question things a little more closely instead of being happy to accept what society had chosen for me. Maybe it was just a vehicle for that which I was always capable but I'm glad it was there.

Also: people need people.

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 25, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Please explain how raves were revolutionary in a musical sense.

I mean, given that the music at raves is all stuff that has already been recorded elsewhere. And given that mixing/scratching/turntablism were already well-established in the hip-hop scene. Raves not only brought nothing new to the table, musically speaking, but their entire existence is predicated on the music being predictable.

ETA: And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's the exact opposite of revolutionary.

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

I remember reading a shipment of cola to France once got infected w staph...  It actually started eating-off people's faces...  :eek:

I heard on the radio that this girl died from eating pop rocks and giving her boyfriend a blow job at the same time.  :fnord:

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
I heard on the radio that this girl died from eating pop rocks and giving her boyfriend a blow job at the same time.  :fnord:

That is just patently false, however, the staph. thing was verified, or, I witnessed what seemed like a very convincing psychosomatic case (there might be some literature on the event?). It seems ludicrous but maybe it hitched a ride in the cutting agent?

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 25, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Yeah, that part where the music goes BOOM BOOM BOOM is right up there with Duke Ellington.

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 25, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Well, if you are referring to the physical motion of the physical record on the turntable, then you would be technically correct. 

If you are talking about the music being revolutionary in an artistic sense, uh, not so much. 

Oh is this the way they say the future's meant to feel?
Or just 20,000 people standing in a field.
And I don't quite understand just what this feeling is.
But that's okay cos we're all sorted out for E's and wizz.
And tell me when the spaceship lands cos all this has just got to mean something.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

Oh yeah the pirate radio told us what was going down.
Got the tickets from some fucked up bloke in Camden Town.
Oh and no-one seems to know exactly where it is.
But that's okay cos we're all sorted out for E's and wizz.
At 4 o'clock the normal world seems very, very, very far away.
Alright.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

Just keep on moving...
Everybody asks your name,
they say we're all the same and it's "nice one,"
"geezer"
but that's as far as the conversation went.
I lost my friends, I dance alone,
it's six o'clock, I wanna go home.
But it's "no way," "not today,"
makes you wonder what it meant.
And this hollow feeling grows and grows and grows and grows,
and you want to phone your mother and say,
"Mother, I can never come home again, cos I seem to have left an important part of my brain somewhere, somewhere in a field in Hampshire."
Alright.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

What if you never come down?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikWW4pOehk

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 05:51:49 PM

Quote from: Slurrealist on January 25, 2012, 05:41:33 PM
The rave was revolutionary...speaking from the musical point of view.

Dude, don't even get started here. It's like eating a bowl of metal spikes with a side of glass while listening to the sound of chalkboard robins screetching outside your window.

I'm glad I got to see the bits I did:  it re-booted my head for awhile and made me question things a little more closely instead of being happy to accept what society had chosen for me. Maybe it was just a vehicle for that which I was always capable but I'm glad it was there.

Also: people need people.

I agree with the bolded.

The distinction that I have been trying to make ITT is not that there is anything wrong with anyone's community of choice (there are some that are wrong, I will say that much; I don't think the KKK or the Tea Party leads to much positive enlightenment) but rather that there is nothing particularly elite about any of them. You find your enlightenment and your community in your local rave scene; I found mine in the local dialup BBS scene in 1989. Someone else might find theirs in archery club or the local Viking historical re-enactment group.

All of these are good. None of them are bad. My point is that none of them are inherently better than the others at helping their members achieve enlightenment, and I am deeply suspicious of any groups that claim they are.

Maybe that's a red herring, but I don't think it is. If we are still having this discussion, it means that something about one of our perspectives hasn't yet been conveyed clearly, so honestly, I'd like to keep talking until it is.

Quote from: LuciferX on January 25, 2012, 06:04:36 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 03:14:24 PM
Dude, that's that flesh-eating shit, right?

I remember reading a shipment of cola to France once got infected w staph...  It actually started eating-off people's faces...  :eek:

Did you read it in an email forward?

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
I heard on the radio that this girl died from eating pop rocks and giving her boyfriend a blow job at the same time.  :fnord:

:lulz:

Quote from: LuciferX on January 25, 2012, 06:27:12 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 25, 2012, 06:15:51 PM
I heard on the radio that this girl died from eating pop rocks and giving her boyfriend a blow job at the same time.  :fnord:

That is just patently false, however, the staph. thing was verified, or, I witnessed what seemed like a very convincing psychosomatic case (there might be some literature on the event?). It seems ludicrous but maybe it hitched a ride in the cutting agent?

You cannot be serious.

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 25, 2012, 06:55:09 PM
Oh is this the way they say the future's meant to feel?
Or just 20,000 people standing in a field.
And I don't quite understand just what this feeling is.
But that's okay cos we're all sorted out for E's and wizz.
And tell me when the spaceship lands cos all this has just got to mean something.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

Oh yeah the pirate radio told us what was going down.
Got the tickets from some fucked up bloke in Camden Town.
Oh and no-one seems to know exactly where it is.
But that's okay cos we're all sorted out for E's and wizz.
At 4 o'clock the normal world seems very, very, very far away.
Alright.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

Just keep on moving...
Everybody asks your name,
they say we're all the same and it's "nice one,"
"geezer"
but that's as far as the conversation went.
I lost my friends, I dance alone,
it's six o'clock, I wanna go home.
But it's "no way," "not today,"
makes you wonder what it meant.
And this hollow feeling grows and grows and grows and grows,
and you want to phone your mother and say,
"Mother, I can never come home again, cos I seem to have left an important part of my brain somewhere, somewhere in a field in Hampshire."
Alright.

In the middle of the night,
it feels alright,
but then tommorow morning.
Oh then you come down.

What if you never come down?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikWW4pOehk

funnily enough that song has being running around inside my head since page one of this thread  :lulz:

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

I actually think I remember reading something about that, but I can't remember if that's because it was for real or because it was being debunked.

Initial search homophony of stafil-o-coc seems suspicious... :roll:

Google search turns up nothing, but it does turn up several cases of people contracting MRSA (the flesh-eating staph bacteria) via sharing coke straws, so if there was an outbreak in France among cocaine users that's probably the source rather than the cutting agent itself, though if it was cut with levamisole, anyone who had a levamisole-caused immune system crash would be incredibly susceptible to MRSA.

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 02:32:51 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

Since when does staph survive on cocaine?

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:15:17 AM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 02:32:51 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

Since when does staph survive on cocaine?

I can believe that the friend had a staph infection, but the idea that the staph came from the coke seems pretty silly. I mean, there's staph everywhere so if you're susceptible for some reason, it's not unlikely that you'll pick it up, and if you're sticking a straw in your nose that someone else just had in their nose, there ya go.

Plus, if the coke was cut with levasimole, your face might rot off either way.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/6705/cocaine-laced-levamisole-may-cause-skin-rot

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:15:17 AM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 02:32:51 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

Since when does staph survive on cocaine?

I can believe that the friend had a staph infection, but the idea that the staph came from the coke seems pretty silly. I mean, there's staph everywhere so if you're susceptible for some reason, it's not unlikely that you'll pick it up, and if you're sticking a straw in your nose that someone else just had in their nose, there ya go.

Plus, if the coke was cut with levasimole, your face might rot off either way.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/6705/cocaine-laced-levamisole-may-cause-skin-rot

Jesus Christ.  People can't even do DRUGS right, anymore.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 03:59:04 AM
Google search turns up nothing, but it does turn up several cases of people contracting MRSA (the flesh-eating staph bacteria) via sharing coke straws, so if there was an outbreak in France among cocaine users that's probably the source rather than the cutting agent itself, though if it was cut with levamisole, anyone who had a levamisole-caused immune system crash would be incredibly susceptible to MRSA.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:36:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:15:17 AM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 02:32:51 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

Since when does staph survive on cocaine?

I can believe that the friend had a staph infection, but the idea that the staph came from the coke seems pretty silly. I mean, there's staph everywhere so if you're susceptible for some reason, it's not unlikely that you'll pick it up, and if you're sticking a straw in your nose that someone else just had in their nose, there ya go.

Plus, if the coke was cut with levasimole, your face might rot off either way.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/6705/cocaine-laced-levamisole-may-cause-skin-rot

Jesus Christ.  People can't even do DRUGS right, anymore.

Seriously. It's retarded.

"Hey, we have this highly profitable, highly addictive product that everyone wants. What do?"

"Let's put something in it that will make our customer's body parts rot off!"

"OK!"

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 04:44:13 AM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 03:59:04 AM
Google search turns up nothing, but it does turn up several cases of people contracting MRSA (the flesh-eating staph bacteria) via sharing coke straws, so if there was an outbreak in France among cocaine users that's probably the source rather than the cutting agent itself, though if it was cut with levamisole, anyone who had a levamisole-caused immune system crash would be incredibly susceptible to MRSA.

Yep. I think you nailed it.

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 04:45:33 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:36:54 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 04:35:32 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 04:15:17 AM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 02:32:51 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 25, 2012, 07:48:52 PM
You cannot be serious.

I know, I can't say I want to stand behind that...  Happened to my friend, confirmed by a doctor.  There was also a French tekno song from the time entitled "stafilo-coke", however that may corroborate things.  I shit you not. :aaa:

Since when does staph survive on cocaine?

I can believe that the friend had a staph infection, but the idea that the staph came from the coke seems pretty silly. I mean, there's staph everywhere so if you're susceptible for some reason, it's not unlikely that you'll pick it up, and if you're sticking a straw in your nose that someone else just had in their nose, there ya go.

Plus, if the coke was cut with levasimole, your face might rot off either way.

http://www.emaxhealth.com/6705/cocaine-laced-levamisole-may-cause-skin-rot

Jesus Christ.  People can't even do DRUGS right, anymore.

Seriously. It's retarded.

"Hey, we have this highly profitable, highly addictive product that everyone wants. What do?"

"Let's put something in it that will make our customer's body parts rot off!"

"OK!"

YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it. 

...he said, as he sipped his morning cup of coffee.

Seriously, though, haven't you learned your lesson about proselytizing? Especially in someone else's thread FFS.

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it.

Alcohol when used in moderation? Marijuana when used in moderation?

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it. 

he said, as he swallowed two aspirin.

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it. 

he said, as he solmenly vowed to never allow the lives of himself or his family to be saved or improved by modern medicine.

Quote from: Faust on January 26, 2012, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it.

Alcohol when used in moderation? Marijuana when used in moderation?

Don't bother trying to have a serious and nuanced conversation with him about this. It never works. Just mock him until he shuts up about it and feels properly embarrassed for starting this line of conversation in someone else's thread.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 11:47:20 AM

Quote from: Faust on January 26, 2012, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it.

Alcohol when used in moderation? Marijuana when used in moderation?

Don't bother trying to have a serious and nuanced conversation with him about this. It never works. Just mock him until he shuts up about it and feels properly embarrassed for starting this line of conversation in someone else's thread.

I like RWHN, I wouldn't mock him on this. It dismays me to see someone I respect locked into a repeating cycle and wont accept the possibility of alternatives.

That sort of behavior is hardly respectable, IMO.

And I'm just going to show him the same respect he's showing navkat by posting shit like that ITT when he goddamn knows how it's going to play out.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 11:22:04 AM
Seriously, though, haven't you learned your lesson about proselytizing? Especially in someone else's thread FFS.

Thread is now a clone.

<insert cut & paste response concerning drugs>

By the way, have any of you heard about this Jesus guy?  Do you have a moment to consider the fate of your immortal soul?

That depends-- do clones have souls?

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 26, 2012, 04:26:23 PM
That depends-- do clones have souls?

Jesus doesn't save threads.

I'd think that would be utterly obvious by now.

Quote from: navkat on January 26, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

:lulz:

I know right?  Then we have people banging bath-salts...  And who knows what's in that candy from china?  And, regarding methods of delivery, I think industry new pro-drug is behind amp. shortages...  Really, the mob would run things better...

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 26, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

:lulz:

I know right?  Then we have people banging bath-salts...  And who knows what's in that candy from china?  And, regarding methods of delivery, I think industry new pro-drug is behind amp. shortages...  Really, the mob would run things better...

No, they wouldn't.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:16:18 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 26, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

:lulz:

I know right?  Then we have people banging bath-salts...  And who knows what's in that candy from china?  And, regarding methods of delivery, I think industry new pro-drug is behind amp. shortages...  Really, the mob would run things better...

No, they wouldn't.

Maybe if they made the cut...

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:20:53 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:16:18 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 26, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

:lulz:

I know right?  Then we have people banging bath-salts...  And who knows what's in that candy from china?  And, regarding methods of delivery, I think industry new pro-drug is behind amp. shortages...  Really, the mob would run things better...

No, they wouldn't.

Maybe if they made the cut...

What?  You trust mobsters to cut your drugs?

:lulz:

DARWIN SAYS "HELLO!"

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:22:17 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:20:53 PM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 05:16:18 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 26, 2012, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: navkat on January 26, 2012, 06:11:23 AM
YO, CAN WE GESSOME BETTA BUSINESS BUREAU UP IN HEAH?

:lulz:

I know right?  Then we have people banging bath-salts...  And who knows what's in that candy from china?  And, regarding methods of delivery, I think industry new pro-drug is behind amp. shortages...  Really, the mob would run things better...

No, they wouldn't.

Maybe if they made the cut...

What?  You trust mobsters to cut your drugs?

:lulz:

DARWIN SAYS "HELLO!"

I know right?  When was the last time anyone had properly washed coke?  Who would do anything else?  Why is it so hard to get ahold of ether?

Hard to get ahold of ether?

:lulz:

I'd tell you how to make it for about $5 but I'm not sure you're ready for the responsibility.

Gotta step out real quick.  Just found out there's a product called "Beard Lube".

muhaha

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 26, 2012, 07:26:40 PM
Gotta step out real quick.  Just found out there's a product called "Beard Lube".

muhaha

:horrormirth:

Quote from: Faust on January 26, 2012, 11:58:22 AM

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 11:47:20 AM

Quote from: Faust on January 26, 2012, 11:35:49 AM

Quote from: RWHN on January 26, 2012, 10:37:47 AM
Drugs are just bad news all around when you get right down to it.

Alcohol when used in moderation? Marijuana when used in moderation?

Don't bother trying to have a serious and nuanced conversation with him about this. It never works. Just mock him until he shuts up about it and feels properly embarrassed for starting this line of conversation in someone else's thread.

I like RWHN, I wouldn't mock him on this. It dismays me to see someone I respect locked into a repeating cycle and wont accept the possibility of alternatives.

Sorry guys, off-handed, slightly tongue-in-cheek comments don't translate well on the internet.  If y'all really want to have that serious convo with me I'm glad to oblige but let's start another thread.  Thanks!

RWHN

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 26, 2012, 06:38:27 PM
Hard to get ahold of ether?

:lulz:

I'd tell you how to make it for about $5 but I'm not sure you're ready for the responsibility.

Why would anyone want to do ether? :? So you can get kinda dizzy and have a raging headache the next day?

To be honest, that could also be said of any alcoholic drink.

Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 10:25:46 PM
To be honest, that could also be said of any alcoholic drink.

For the most part, the reward/consequence ratio is far more favorable with alcohol.

Ether is quite the headrush, but the effects last only a few minutes, it's not really that fun, and the stabby headache is no joke. I do not recommend.

Why is it you degenerates reduce everything to huffing solvents, even if they are polar, bear with me, the intended application was to wash the coke properly, not abuse it to get high...   :eek:

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 10:47:08 PM

Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 10:25:46 PM
To be honest, that could also be said of any alcoholic drink.

For the most part, the reward/consequence ratio is far more favorable with alcohol.

Ether is quite the headrush, but the effects last only a few minutes, it's not really that fun, and the stabby headache is no joke. I do not recommend.

It only hurts when you stop.

And HST was spot-on. If you want to turn yourself into a completely desperate degenerate, ether is just the thing. Especially if you've already got a head full of acid.

Or you could just be a clean-living Holy Man^TM like me, and eschew all¹ drugs and other self-soiling behavior.






¹ Cactus and benzos, as I have demonstrated elsewhere, do not count.

And while we're on the subject of degrading practices, why the hell can't you closet cases have NORMAL homoerotic dreams, like with Tarzan slinging you around or Denzel teabagging you on a cable car, instead of having me and ECH in one involving raw meat?  I mean, neither of us is BUFF or anything...We're more buffalo, really.  Besides, we work and play well with others, just COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SETS of others than you may be accustomed to, and we sure don't have the money to throw STEAKS around.

Can't you have NORMAL fantasies, like the one where Katie Couric is dressed as Marilyn Manson and my dick is a colonoscopy probe? Now that's more of a standard he-man-type sex thing.  You perverts are so twisted, herd animals go very quiet when you approach.  They know.  THEY KNOW.

Quote from: LuciferX on January 27, 2012, 12:02:48 AM
Why is it you degenerates reduce everything to huffing solvents, even if they are polar, bear with me, the intended application was to wash the coke properly, not abuse it to get high...   :eek:

I don't even know what you're talking about. I hate cocaine and ether is for laboratories.

Quote from: Fuck You One-Eye on January 27, 2012, 03:22:35 AM

Quote from: Nigel on January 26, 2012, 10:47:08 PM

Quote from: Cain on January 26, 2012, 10:25:46 PM
To be honest, that could also be said of any alcoholic drink.

For the most part, the reward/consequence ratio is far more favorable with alcohol.

Ether is quite the headrush, but the effects last only a few minutes, it's not really that fun, and the stabby headache is no joke. I do not recommend.

It only hurts when you stop.

And HST was spot-on. If you want to turn yourself into a completely desperate degenerate, ether is just the thing. Especially if you've already got a head full of acid.

That is... oh. Man.

B and I first bonded over ether, cheap wine in an IV, and, later, an incident which I won't detail. No acid, though. Well, later, ecstasy and mushrooms, but never acid.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
And while we're on the subject of degrading practices, why the hell can't you closet cases have NORMAL homoerotic dreams, like with Tarzan slinging you around or Denzel teabagging you on a cable car, instead of having me and ECH in one involving raw meat?  I mean, neither of us is BUFF or anything...We're more buffalo, really.  Besides, we work and play well with others, just COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SETS of others than you may be accustomed to, and we sure don't have the money to throw STEAKS around.

Can't you have NORMAL fantasies, like the one where Katie Couric is dressed as Marilyn Manson and my dick is a colonoscopy probe? Now that's more of a standard he-man-type sex thing.  You perverts are so twisted, herd animals go very quiet when you approach.  They know.  THEY KNOW.

Oh

um

Oh my.

Roger done went and got holy again.

Quote from: LuciferX on January 27, 2012, 12:02:48 AM
polar bear with me

:lulz:

Quote from: Nigel on January 27, 2012, 05:39:06 AM

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 27, 2012, 03:30:46 AM
And while we're on the subject of degrading practices, why the hell can't you closet cases have NORMAL homoerotic dreams, like with Tarzan slinging you around or Denzel teabagging you on a cable car, instead of having me and ECH in one involving raw meat?  I mean, neither of us is BUFF or anything...We're more buffalo, really.  Besides, we work and play well with others, just COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SETS of others than you may be accustomed to, and we sure don't have the money to throw STEAKS around.

Can't you have NORMAL fantasies, like the one where Katie Couric is dressed as Marilyn Manson and my dick is a colonoscopy probe? Now that's more of a standard he-man-type sex thing.  You perverts are so twisted, herd animals go very quiet when you approach.  They know.  THEY KNOW.

Oh

um

Oh my.

Roger done went and got holy again.

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,31488.0.html

There was holiness oozing out from under my fingernails.

The only acid I take with my meat is acetic, balsamic and from Modena, which Alberto himself personally delivers together with some of his wife's best dairy and relatively fresh caviar  :p

Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 02:09:44 AM
The only acid I take with my meat is acetic, balsamic and from Modena, which Alberto himself personally delivers together with some of his wife's best dairy and relatively fresh caviar  :p

You're not supposed to put it on your dick, crackerhead.

Quote from: navkat on February 26, 2012, 10:23:49 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 02:09:44 AM
The only acid I take with my meat is acetic, balsamic and from Modena, which Alberto himself personally delivers together with some of his wife's best dairy and relatively fresh caviar  :p

You're not supposed to put it on your dick, crackerhead.

:lulz:

BTW on the subject of oldskool rave, Navkat you might enjoy this one:

http://www.stressfactor.co.uk/resources/portal/index.php?name=Downloads&req=viewdownloaddetails&lid=769

Just found it on my mp3 player. It's a mixtape by someone who used to post here (The Littlest Ubermensch), his stage name is DJ Tau. Crazy thing is when he was here (some years back) he was only 15 or something, so most of those tracks were made before he was born :lol: Anyway the mixtape is the absolute shit and you should check it.

Uh...THANK YOU!!! :)

Quote from: navkat on February 26, 2012, 10:23:49 PM

Quote from: LuciferX on January 28, 2012, 02:09:44 AM
The only acid I take with my meat is acetic, balsamic and from Modena, which Alberto himself personally delivers together with some of his wife's best dairy and relatively fresh caviar  :p

You're not supposed to put it on your dick, crackerhead.

:potd: