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#2536
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
October 25, 2018, 07:40:10 PM
Hedging on the subject like he does is more about "the big win" and a fallback plan in case that fails. Making it up lets people say "at least there weren't any people actually at risk!", it's a weaker narrative, to be used only if "false flag" fails to stick because it just makes the left liars, not pure goddamn evil. If they could get away with blaming child sacrifices to satan on the left as a whole, they would. I'm not entirely remembering but I think that may have even been one narrative thread of the whole stupid fucking Pizzagate thing.

I don't see these things as the same because the end effects are different.
#2537
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Mail bomb speculation thread
October 25, 2018, 07:30:33 PM
As much as I want to say you're right, LMNO, the right simply don't gain from that particular twist in the story as much as the false flag tall tale. As they've amply demonstrated, they very specifically speak to what they think is most good for their political side. So when faced with "Weakens Dems but doesn't make them look outright hideously evil" and "Paints the left as cartoon mustache twirling villains gone bad, somehow," they'll pick that second one every time.

The fact only a few of their creatures haven't gotten the memo and have been spouting other lines makes it obvious this is the case, in my opinion.

WRT speculation on where this goes: I can't help but think that yes, this /is/ a lone crazy radical, not an organized group action. The problem is that abortion clinic bombings and murders (LOL at this "hurrr Republicans don't do this" bullshit tubefeed they're trying to ram into the public sphere) similarly began with lone crazies created by extreme public discourse. And it escalated from there. I foresee the same thing here, unfortunately, especially since the right is essentially portraying the left as not caring about anyone's lives, not even their own side's. It's similar to the extreme rhetoric of the anti-abortion activists in the 80s, and the results are likely to be similar or worse, I would guess.
#2538
Quote from: Cain on October 25, 2018, 06:29:44 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 24, 2018, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: Hoopla! on October 24, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
Votes on him not mentioning it at all?

He's already jabbering about how we'll get the bad guys.

Anyone else think McGinnes was in on this?  It fits his general air of incompetence.

FWIW, I don't think the Proud Boys as a group are behind the others.

They're a streetfighting group, it's all about proving their "manly virility" by shoving their fist in some poor bastard's face as part of a 10 vs 1 beatdown.  Bombs just don't have the same effect, it's a different psychological profile with different motivations.

The timing is suspicious, I will agree, but otherwise it doesn't fit.  The bomber's almost certainly from a far-right milieu though, so he may be a "fan" of the Proud Boys, even if he's not a member himself or getting help from them.

I'd say the quotes sound appropriate there. My first guess was a member of a rival group from the Proud Boys. If the one package was from the same individual, I'd buy that all the way instead of just having the suspicion.
#2539
I love you grouchy bastards anyway.
#2540
Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the heads up, I've forgotten everyone but the core cast of characters here.
#2541
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on October 25, 2018, 12:14:44 AM
For a bombing attempt 2mweeks before an election this is pretty much a best-case scenario, nobody got hurt, and it will generate sympathy for the democrats while painting the republicans in a bad light and putting focus on non-islamic terrorism.

You're forgetting two words:

"False flag."

As in, "The Democrats knew they were going to lose the election so they sacrificed their own people in a false flag attack to get the sympathy vote! They're sickos!"

As in, "I normally consider myself a centrist but those democrats went too far with that false flag bomb attack. It even had that one senators name on the return address!"

You're foolish to believe this is a sympathy win for democrats. Anyone right of, oh, say, Bill Clinton (far from a true leftist, but not quite a centrist either) is going to be at risk for the opposite, a baseless disgust vote against the left.
#2542
This thread is the first I've heard of this. I'm remembering Transmet here, which both comforts and worries me. I need an expert opinion on where this goes next.
#2543
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
October 23, 2018, 03:54:20 AM
Well, this happened.

https://apple.news/Au-KjGa2jT-iEjChIcCvv4A

I am legitimately surprised that it took this long and yet ever happened at all. I figured it would have been all or nothing for this fucking swine.

I guess he's letting us know where we're heading. Barbed wire and ammunition futures truly are the smart investments, boys and girls.
#2544
Aneristic Illusions / Re: Random News Stories
October 19, 2018, 05:10:37 PM
https://twitter.com/JeremyPoxon/status/1053037595771338753?s=19

Worth actually reading the paper. There's no bad or shaky conclusions being drawn here, it's legitimately the case. Hard to say showing support for "a strong leader" who "ignores parliament/congress" isn't showing authoritarian beliefs.

UK spags might be interested in seeing the horrormirth of the chart of UK attitudes in one of the appendices: everyone else has a v notch on a near linear line, or an overall M shaped response to the questions.

The UK has a goddamn U shaped graph. Only the self identified political fringes are sane on (I forget what topic, I think immigration or civil rights?), anyone who doesn't describe themselves as far-left/right cannot be trusted. It was like a 10% drop between far right and center right for fucks sake.