Since coming out, I've noticed something which was only exacerbated by the Covenant School shooting:
I lost the right to be an individual.
I'm held accountable for the actions of complete strangers.
We were treated like we all had blood on our hands because we shared one common trait (in my case, more than one) with a single shooter.
I'm trans first, a person later.
At it's worse, I was suicidal, and thought that maybe offing myself wouldn't be bad because some trans autist dying would make people happy after one of them killed a bunch of kids.
I know this has happened to other groups throughout history, I know I'm not the first, but fuck.
Live. Live to spite the motherfuckers.
Spite makes Eris smile. It's not a healthy smile, but it still counts.
Fuck the humans. Nobody likes those guys.
Is this because of the school shooting thing?
I'd argue (not that there is any point arguing with the people that will use that as an excuse), that the country with almost daily school shootings, will due to averages have shooters represented from every group, age, ethnicity, sex, just based on the sheer quantity of them.
It's a very inclusive activity, we are likely less then a year away from someone's 90 year old grandmother shooting up a school to complete the bell curve.
That bell curve however still sits in the centre with disgruntled white boys.
It is exhausting, I totally understand that.
Just try to remember that the only thing worse than being hated by these monsters would be their approval. They are scum, and deserve nothing but your contempt.
Quote from: QuestionsTheSoil on April 19, 2023, 03:50:07 PM
Since coming out, I've noticed something which was only exacerbated by the Covenant School shooting:
I lost the right to be an individual.
I'm held accountable for the actions of complete strangers.
We were treated like we all had blood on our hands because we shared one common trait (in my case, more than one) with a single shooter.
I'm trans first, a person later.
At it's worse, I was suicidal, and thought that maybe offing myself wouldn't be bad because some trans autist dying would make people happy after one of them killed a bunch of kids.
I know this has happened to other groups throughout history, I know I'm not the first, but fuck.
First time?
Born in 1980, discovered I was bi-sexual while Thatcher's section 28 was in full effect. Raised a catholic in the fucking heart of East Anglia (birthplace of Cromwell and protestant central) got beat up at school after the Warrington bombings. Blah, blah blah my life story isn't the point.
The point, my take away from experiencing prejudice and the realities of human nature? Are we actualy worth saving?
Seriously, we figure out slavery is wrong back in 1830 and jump into colonialism. We figure out colonialism is wrong and jump into hating the fascists and then the commies and fuck up countries like Iran and Afghanistan to prove a point. We figure out hating gays is wrong and jump into hating transgender.
Wait till we get into transhumanism and people replace body parts with replacements better than the original, that will be a sexy little shit storm. Whether your genitals match your birth certificate will be so yesterday after that.
The fact is, we love to hate and we love to fight. If you are in the crosshairs, all you can do is ride it out before society finds it's next target and it will.
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
Quote from: altered on April 27, 2023, 01:04:23 AM
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
Maybe he just likes fascists. :lulz:
Google his screen name.
Getting some real Wolfpoet vibes tbh.
ETA: It's not impossible that there's two ex-Catholic Norse Pagan Bisexuals who hold right wing views, share that story about prostitute hygiene that comes up when you google his username, and hold an interest in Discordian forums.
But it would be a strange coincidence.
Quote from: altered on April 27, 2023, 01:04:23 AM
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
That's nice dear
Quote from: Scribbly on April 27, 2023, 04:14:28 AM
Getting some real Wolfpoet vibes tbh.
ETA: It's not impossible that there's two ex-Catholic Norse Pagan Bisexuals who hold right wing views, share that story about prostitute hygiene that comes up when you google his username, and hold an interest in Discordian forums.
But it would be a strange coincidence.
There is no end to that sort, no matter how many condoms you sell.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 27, 2023, 06:11:18 PM
Quote from: altered on April 27, 2023, 01:04:23 AM
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
That's nice dear
Well, aren't you just a condescending cunt?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2023, 03:34:20 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 27, 2023, 06:11:18 PM
Quote from: altered on April 27, 2023, 01:04:23 AM
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
That's nice dear
Well, aren't you just a condescending cunt?
To be honest I
did miss the fascist stuff until altered called it out because I didn't read much past 'first time?'
I'd written him off as a condescending cunt after the first paragraph.
To come into a thread like this with some edgelord "Are we worth saving? Imagine how much worse it's going to get when we get to transhumanity!" take I mean, fuck.
I'm surprised he can type a post with his head so far up his own ass. It'd be impressive if it wasn't still caked in shit.
Why thankyou.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 29, 2023, 06:09:09 PM
Why thankyou.
I'm giving you a few more posts to see if you can post without being an utter blowhole.
I am already doing the side eye thing over the "fascism was an invented enemy" thing.
:america:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 30, 2023, 08:24:10 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 29, 2023, 06:09:09 PM
Why thankyou.
I'm giving you a few more posts to see if you can post without being an utter blowhole.
I am already doing the side eye thing over the "fascism was an invented enemy" thing.
:america:
I'm fairly certain the point I made was not "Fascism was an invented enemy" but "Fascism requires an invented enemy and uses that as the pretext for gaining power".
No. Actually, you lied.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 24, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
Seriously, we figure out slavery is wrong back in 1830 and jump into colonialism. We figure out colonialism is wrong and jump into hating the fascists and then the commies and fuck up countries like Iran and Afghanistan to prove a point. We figure out hating gays is wrong and jump into hating transgender.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928583334970400818/1102357839747497994/image.png)
Provably false. Literally a lie. You said something false on purpose to cover your ass after your pro-fascist statement got caught. You said something anyone can use their very own functional eyes to verify the falsity of because you got caught and you hope people won't pay attention to what you said, just what you say that you said.
Next up is either:
an excuse for why that's a mistake (despite being deeply embedded in a list where literally every other item on said list has the same element of "unjust hatred" in common, you /can't/ make that mistake, that is a purposeful act buddy),
an accusation of the admins stealth-editing your posts (the crew here doesn't do that as a rule -- as a very hard rule, in fact),
or "sociological experiment" (please, i need my fix).
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 27, 2023, 03:46:47 AM
Quote from: altered on April 27, 2023, 01:04:23 AM
Hey, Fallenkezef.
Hey buddy.
Did you think you could just sneak anti-fascism into your list of fucked up bigotries and exploitations? Did you think that no one would notice that?
Did you think no one would notice your attempt to diminish the /actual real genocidal actions/ being taken against trans people among all of this? Or that you tried to pretend like slavery and colonialism ended when they /provably/ have not?
Oh. Also. Did you think that we would forget you made incredibly fucked up statements and never fucking provided your promised responses to push-back against your weird eugenics-flavored views?
I will not roll over for people like you. I will not lay down and take it like a fucking dog while the boot steps down. I will not accept minimizing and shrugging off and the damn-near denial of provable real factual political reality in the real world we really live in, right now, visible with your own fucking eyeballs. And neither should anyone else.
You're trying to poison /my/ queer siblings with the idea that there's nothing to do but shrug and give the fuck up, that eventually it will all get better if we ignore it, and we'll probably survive because it's not that bad, after all, some few people survived much worse historical situations! You're trying to infect them with inaction and hopelessness and self-doubt with your insipid fucking claims. And I will not abide that behavior.
You are not an ally, you're a pseudo-centrist jackal trying to sap all the will and urgency out of scared, marginalized people, for whatever fucking reason. You're preying on people getting hammered with self-doubt and societal hatred and being disenfranchised out of all aspects of life on a scale unseen in the Anglosphere in almost 100 years. You're an opportunist, a scavenger, a fucking vulture, and whatever identity you think makes you share our struggle, you're not with us.
You aren't queer.
You're a turncoat, if you were ever in any kind of community with us at all. You're a snake. You're a traitor, and the time where I have any sympathy for traitors and sell-outs is long since past. You are not welcome. You will never be welcome again, if you ever were.
Get fucked.
Maybe he just likes fascists. :lulz:
He likes the boot, he licks the boot.
He's here for humiliation.
Quote from: altered on April 30, 2023, 11:24:05 PM
No. Actually, you lied.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 24, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
Seriously, we figure out slavery is wrong back in 1830 and jump into colonialism. We figure out colonialism is wrong and jump into hating the fascists and then the commies and fuck up countries like Iran and Afghanistan to prove a point. We figure out hating gays is wrong and jump into hating transgender.
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928583334970400818/1102357839747497994/image.png)
Provably false. Literally a lie. You said something false on purpose to cover your ass after your pro-fascist statement got caught. You said something anyone can use their very own functional eyes to verify the falsity of because you got caught and you hope people won't pay attention to what you said, just what you say that you said.
Next up is either:
an excuse for why that's a mistake (despite being deeply embedded in a list where literally every other item on said list has the same element of "unjust hatred" in common, you /can't/ make that mistake, that is a purposeful act buddy),
an accusation of the admins stealth-editing your posts (the crew here doesn't do that as a rule -- as a very hard rule, in fact),
or "sociological experiment" (please, i need my fix).
I made no moral statements on whether the feelings where just or not. It's a lie that Americans went from hero worshiping Hitler in the 30's to hating everything fascist in the 40's? Even though the horrific eugenics policies of the Germans where, in part, based on the American policies of the south?
The point is identity politics are part and parcel of the system and this latest attack on Trans is just part of that. To fight the issue you need to understand it and figure the best way of doing that. Which is not a kneejerk jump to the left.
Who is the best defence of Trans rights in Florida right now? Who is doing the most to fight and defeat De Santis and his policies? Disney, let that sink in.
Go fuck yourself.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on April 24, 2023, 10:45:20 PM
If you are in the crosshairs, all you can do is ride it out before society finds it's next target and it will.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 03, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
To fight the issue you need to understand it and figure the best way of doing that.
So you're saying that in order to fight the issue, all you can do is ride it out? That seems internally inconsistent.
And you think that "society" will move on to new targets? It couldn't possibly keep attacking the same old targets, while it adds new ones?
Quote
I made no moral statements on whether the feelings where just or not.
So, just to clarify...are you pro-fascist or anti-fascist? The neutral ground is, of course, indistinguishable from pro-fascism for all practical purposes.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 03, 2023, 10:34:34 PM
So, just to clarify...are you pro-fascist or anti-fascist? The neutral ground is, of course, indistinguishable from pro-fascism for all practical purposes.
I'm anti-fascist, however these days the left define anything they disagree with as fascist. From the political viewpoint I'm (more or less) content with my country's constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 03, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
these days the left define anything they disagree with as fascist.
1. I am on the left.
2. I disagree with you.
3. (stipulated) "the left define anything they disagree with as fascist".
Therefore, you are fascist.
Okay, perhaps it is a bit much to use your overbroad and ill-conceived generalization as the sole basis for that deduction. But, your narrow categorization of "the left" is one I would only expect to hear from someone on the far-right.
Of course, if you're so naive of history that you think that bigotry moves on from one target to the next, it isn't surprising that your political views are regressive.
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 03, 2023, 09:52:50 PM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 03, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Go fuck yourself.
That's nice dear
So we have one of those Andrew Tate fans here, who like to speak in condescending tones to women.
You're gonna go far, shitsock.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on May 04, 2023, 04:22:10 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 03, 2023, 10:48:47 PM
these days the left define anything they disagree with as fascist.
1. I am on the left.
2. I disagree with you.
3. (stipulated) "the left define anything they disagree with as fascist".
Therefore, you are fascist.
Okay, perhaps it is a bit much to use your overbroad and ill-conceived generalization as the sole basis for that deduction. But, your narrow categorization of "the left" is one I would only expect to hear from someone on the far-right.
Of course, if you're so naive of history that you think that bigotry moves on from one target to the next, it isn't surprising that your political views are regressive.
He's one of those Andrew Tate cunts, who thinks what he's doing is "masculine."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 04, 2023, 04:56:05 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 03, 2023, 09:52:50 PM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 03, 2023, 02:21:57 PM
Go fuck yourself.
That's nice dear
So we have one of those Andrew Tate fans here, who like to speak in condescending tones to women.
You're gonna go far, shitsock.
You need to watch Mrs Brown's boys
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
I find it's a little more polite than "go fuck yourself".
It's really not.
You were given a choice, dumbass.
Being extremely charitable you used a poor analogy and were called on it. If you'd held your hands up then and there maybe some people would have thought "Eh, this guy acts like he's just been kicked in the head by a horse but he's just a moron, not malicious." Not everyone, admittedly. Some of us have reasons to discard anyone who even looks like they might be dogwhistling. Combined with your post history and the fact you still haven't addressed that, well, I'd definitely be giving you the side-eye for a good long time even if you hadn't carried on.
"Go fuck yourself" was a chance for you to go back, read what you just said, realise the sheer extent of your ignorance, how fucking insulting it is, and reevaluate just what you want your time in this community to look like.
You made your choice. You doubled down. After all, it's not you that's incapable of communicating like a human being. It's everyone ELSE who is just being MEAN and RUDE! And surely, there's not a single thing poor, bleeding heart FK did to deserve rudeness. Why, I'm just clutching my pearls.
You want to talk about perception? You want to know why everyone just seems to call you a fascist?
Well fuck, buddy, there might just be some clues buried in this thread right here. Who can say?
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Lets drill down into this hypocrisy shall we? Dismissing a "man in a dress"? That's a REALLY insulting way to describe drag don't you think?
Considering it was a "man in a dress" that started the stonewall riots. Considering the fact that Florida recently passed the death penalty for child abuse convictions and will now try to use that legislation to threaten and harass homosexual (and straight) people who dress in drag and conduct story time readings. But that's ok apparently as a "man in a dress" is somehow misogynistic.
Lets look at the "man in a dress" who's catchphrase I love so much shall we? Brendan O'Carroll is a massive supporter of the LGBT+ community. He's used the show to support gay rights and the to campaign for the legalisation of gay marriage in Ireland.
Great Job. Top Work. No Notes.
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:07:50 AM
You were given a choice, dumbass.
Being extremely charitable you used a poor analogy and were called on it. If you'd held your hands up then and there maybe some people would have thought "Eh, this guy acts like he's just been kicked in the head by a horse but he's just a moron, not malicious." Not everyone, admittedly. Some of us have reasons to discard anyone who even looks like they might be dogwhistling. Combined with your post history and the fact you still haven't addressed that, well, I'd definitely be giving you the side-eye for a good long time even if you hadn't carried on.
"Go fuck yourself" was a chance for you to go back, read what you just said, realise the sheer extent of your ignorance, how fucking insulting it is, and reevaluate just what you want your time in this community to look like.
You made your choice. You doubled down. After all, it's not you that's incapable of communicating like a human being. It's everyone ELSE who is just being MEAN and RUDE! And surely, there's not a single thing poor, bleeding heart FK did to deserve rudeness. Why, I'm just clutching my pearls.
You want to talk about perception? You want to know why everyone just seems to call you a fascist?
Well fuck, buddy, there might just be some clues buried in this thread right here. Who can say?
Aye, who can say?
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Lets drill down into this hypocrisy shall we? Dismissing a "man in a dress"? That's a REALLY insulting way to describe drag don't you think?
Considering it was a "man in a dress" that started the stonewall riots. Considering the fact that Florida recently passed the death penalty for child abuse convictions and will now try to use that legislation to threaten and harass homosexual (and straight) people who dress in drag and conduct story time readings. But that's ok apparently as a "man in a dress" is somehow misogynistic.
Lets look at the "man in a dress" who's catchphrase I love so much shall we? Brendan O'Carroll is a massive supporter of the LGBT+ community. He's used the show to support gay rights and the to campaign for the legalisation of gay marriage in Ireland.
Great Job. Top Work. No Notes.
Once again: Go fuck yourself.
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Lets drill down into this hypocrisy shall we? Dismissing a "man in a dress"? That's a REALLY insulting way to describe drag don't you think?
Considering it was a "man in a dress" that started the stonewall riots. Considering the fact that Florida recently passed the death penalty for child abuse convictions and will now try to use that legislation to threaten and harass homosexual (and straight) people who dress in drag and conduct story time readings. But that's ok apparently as a "man in a dress" is somehow misogynistic.
Lets look at the "man in a dress" who's catchphrase I love so much shall we? Brendan O'Carroll is a massive supporter of the LGBT+ community. He's used the show to support gay rights and the to campaign for the legalisation of gay marriage in Ireland.
Great Job. Top Work. No Notes.
Once again: Go fuck yourself.
That's nice dear
Seems folks can't deal with dissonance in the echo chamber. Allot of broken mirrors around here it would appear.
Please dont let this stop the shitting on this moron but:
I wont hear ill of Brendan O'Carroll, I don't like Mrs browns boys but that character cannot be reduced to the cliched joke of a man in a dress.
Agnes brown is an incredibly accurate portrayal of an Irish Mammy, and both his portrayal and Angelica Houstons (yes its THAT agnes brown) elicit aspects of the character in interesting ways
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Lets drill down into this hypocrisy shall we? Dismissing a "man in a dress"? That's a REALLY insulting way to describe drag don't you think?
Considering it was a "man in a dress" that started the stonewall riots. Considering the fact that Florida recently passed the death penalty for child abuse convictions and will now try to use that legislation to threaten and harass homosexual (and straight) people who dress in drag and conduct story time readings. But that's ok apparently as a "man in a dress" is somehow misogynistic.
Lets look at the "man in a dress" who's catchphrase I love so much shall we? Brendan O'Carroll is a massive supporter of the LGBT+ community. He's used the show to support gay rights and the to campaign for the legalisation of gay marriage in Ireland.
Great Job. Top Work. No Notes.
Once again: Go fuck yourself.
That's nice dear
Seems folks can't deal with dissonance in the echo chamber. Allot of broken mirrors around here it would appear.
Instead of irritating people who don't want to interact with you, have you considered swallowing rat poison
Quote from: Faust on May 04, 2023, 09:40:05 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:26:32 AM
Quote from: Fallenkezef on May 04, 2023, 09:12:08 AM
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 07:14:42 AM
THAT'S what you're referencing?
So you're saying you're not being a misogynist because you're using the dismissive catchphrase of a man in a dress when addressing a trans woman?
Great job. Top work. No notes.
Lets drill down into this hypocrisy shall we? Dismissing a "man in a dress"? That's a REALLY insulting way to describe drag don't you think?
Considering it was a "man in a dress" that started the stonewall riots. Considering the fact that Florida recently passed the death penalty for child abuse convictions and will now try to use that legislation to threaten and harass homosexual (and straight) people who dress in drag and conduct story time readings. But that's ok apparently as a "man in a dress" is somehow misogynistic.
Lets look at the "man in a dress" who's catchphrase I love so much shall we? Brendan O'Carroll is a massive supporter of the LGBT+ community. He's used the show to support gay rights and the to campaign for the legalisation of gay marriage in Ireland.
Great Job. Top Work. No Notes.
Once again: Go fuck yourself.
That's nice dear
Seems folks can't deal with dissonance in the echo chamber. Allot of broken mirrors around here it would appear.
Instead of irritating people who don't want to interact with you, have you considered swallowing rat poison
No, does it come in multiple flavours?
Give it a try and you could report back, or dont
Quote from: Faust on May 04, 2023, 09:39:02 AM
Please dont let this stop the shitting on this moron but:
I wont hear ill of Brendan O'Carroll, I don't like Mrs browns boys but that character cannot be reduced to the cliched joke of a man in a dress.
Agnes brown is an incredibly accurate portrayal of an Irish Mammy, and both his portrayal and Angelica Houstons (yes its THAT agnes brown) elicit aspects of the character in interesting ways
Not throwing any shade at O'Carroll.
Just think it's
very interesting that FK chose that character in this particular context.
It's almost like everything he says has some kind of unfortunate subtext to it. What a
strange coincidence.
Just going to leave this here for no particular reason.
Quote from: SartreNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 04, 2023, 09:39:02 AM
Please dont let this stop the shitting on this moron but:
I wont hear ill of Brendan O'Carroll, I don't like Mrs browns boys but that character cannot be reduced to the cliched joke of a man in a dress.
Agnes brown is an incredibly accurate portrayal of an Irish Mammy, and both his portrayal and Angelica Houstons (yes its THAT agnes brown) elicit aspects of the character in interesting ways
Not throwing any shade at O'Carroll.
Just think it's very interesting that FK chose that character in this particular context.
It's almost like everything he says has some kind of unfortunate subtext to it. What a strange coincidence.
Just going to leave this here for no particular reason.
Quote from: SartreNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
That's a fun little game
"We do not know what we want and yet we are responsible for what we are - that is the fact."
Quote from: Scribbly on May 04, 2023, 09:58:34 AM
Quote from: Faust on May 04, 2023, 09:39:02 AM
Please dont let this stop the shitting on this moron but:
I wont hear ill of Brendan O'Carroll, I don't like Mrs browns boys but that character cannot be reduced to the cliched joke of a man in a dress.
Agnes brown is an incredibly accurate portrayal of an Irish Mammy, and both his portrayal and Angelica Houstons (yes its THAT agnes brown) elicit aspects of the character in interesting ways
Not throwing any shade at O'Carroll.
Just think it's very interesting that FK chose that character in this particular context.
It's almost like everything he says has some kind of unfortunate subtext to it. What a strange coincidence.
Just going to leave this here for no particular reason.
Quote from: SartreNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
You are right, literally everything he says has the overtone. That subtle circumspect approach to bigotry is such a peevish thing