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Why not?  What harm does it do?  

why not require everyone who buys a beer to undergo screening for alcoholism ? and who do you want intruding into peoples lives like this? the gov?

Alcohol is legal, marijuana is not.  Is it arbitrary?  Sure.  But show me human-made laws that aren't arbitrary.  But a simple screening is harmless and would take an hour, max, of a person's time.  And if the person really does have a problem they would reap huge benefits from being referred to treatment.  I look at it in the same way that a person has to take a defensive driving course for certain driving violations.  It's a formality one has to go through when they violate a certain law.  If they don't want to go through it, either don't violate the law, or become a lot better at violating it without being caught. 

we were talking about small amounts for personal use being ok and that it should be legal  which is more comparable to alcoholism tests for buying a beer then driving classes for violations... what happens to someone that has committed a crime that harms no one is often far worse than arbitrary i would rather see them "get help" for there harmless choice than go to jail but only if its still illegal 

if pot is legalized  part of the laws surrounding it need to address preventing its being glamorized (no advertising) and laws for selling to kids should be tightly enforced and carry heavy punishment to prevent the spread of easy access to kids that you worry about, but its hard to say that criminalization is some how better than taking such steps as part of the legalization process would end up being..

It's not hard for me to say.  One of the biggest access points for alcohol is relatives and known adults.  If you have more of these access points with legal marijuana, it's really a no-brainer that it will be more accessible.  And again, I know it is already quite accessible, but I firmly belief the needle needs to move down.  Any measure that it moves up is unacceptable in my view. 

i cant come up with any proof for this one.. but after a brief explosion of drug use from the curious trying it (small amount) and the REAL numbers of users becoming apparent (the larger part of any increase) the amount of use will become fairly constant and if the surrounding laws and penalty are done properly (strict enough) the number of known adults and relatives (and strangers willing to buy for kids) would end up being close to the same.

because i don't work in your industry i don't see the harm done by pot "??" as out weighing the harm done by the war on drugs in there pointless and un-winnable effort against it, i doubt we ever will have the same view...

its been a long time since i hung with the pot heads... i suppose those those crazy kids these days could be firing up bowls of baby laxative thinking its green bud.... what do i know

none of the parasites want their budget slashed or their perks cut ...just this week i saw (on TV) cal-trans employees hanging out at palm-springs golf resorts and riding go carts on the public's tax dollar... some other gov blood suckers were just caught washing there personal vehicles and that's just the small shit when it comes to government waste... i am beginning to think this stuff is the norm in this state.
as much as i tend to agree with legalization this is going to end up being an ass raping of the public some how, i just know it..

up here in northern CA the news is reporting legalization statistics.. i wonder if Arnold is preparing to make a push for full legalization? not just the medical we already have??

First of all, people try all kinds of tricks with weed to make it seem better than it is, second of all, I'm not sorely misinformed, I agree that its should be legalized. I just love how you jump to conclusions all of a sudden making me out to be the bad guy when I merely state my opinion to you. Thanks for showing me your the idiot.

other than adding water to make it weigh more (old trick easy to spot), i have never heard of anything being added to pot, ...its a plant.. either it came from good seed and was grown right or it wasn't there is nothing you can do to change it or make it worth enough more to make fucking with it worth the time..  i call BS

Call what you will, but when you deal with these people you see what they will do to get an extra buck from shitty weed they get. They do just about anything to make it more potent without having potency in the beginning. Call it what you will but from what I have seen they do just about anything to get that extra amount for it without using up all their stash. 

sounds like tweekers more than pot heads,
its been a long time since i was around those circles, but pot dealers lived off repeat business and regular customers way back then, and i seriously doubt it has changed, anyone that fucked with shit would loose far more in business than they could ever make adding shit and trying to pass it off, i just don't buy that anything you can add would make it seem that much better and actually fool someone, and that someone would kill the chance of regular customers.... again i think BS

First of all, people try all kinds of tricks with weed to make it seem better than it is, second of all, I'm not sorely misinformed, I agree that its should be legalized. I just love how you jump to conclusions all of a sudden making me out to be the bad guy when I merely state my opinion to you. Thanks for showing me your the idiot.

other than adding water to make it weigh more (old trick easy to spot), i have never heard of anything being added to pot, ...its a plant.. either it came from good seed and was grown right or it wasn't there is nothing you can do to change it or make it worth enough more to make fucking with it worth the time..  i call BS

[but they are illegal so i wont."]

Why not?  What harm does it do?  

why not require everyone who buys a beer to undergo screening for alcoholism ? and who do you want intruding into peoples lives like this? the gov?

i don't think the amount of access kids have would increase, if they want to they can score any time any where already, hard to make it worse than it is, there will always be some dumb grownups who sell to kids just like with alcohol and they can and should be busted just like with alcohol..

Yes, it is already quite rampant, but the laws actually do provide a barrier for some kids.  There are some kids who don't use because it is illegal.  Granted, they may be a small number, but in my opinion they are worth protecting.  Drug abuse prevention isn't about preventing EVERYONE from using drugs.  That is an unrealistic goal.  It is preventing where we can prevent.  Legalizing marijuana would make it that much more difficult to protect the youth.  

i don't think they do, for most kids the barrier is believing it may harm them, i cant imagine a kid who thinks "WOW i wish i could do drugs i would LOVE to do drugs... but they are illegal so i wont.".. it doesn't seem very realistic  (or even common enough to  be a group large enough to measure as a statistic)

if pot is legalized  part of the laws surrounding it need to address preventing its being glamorized (no advertising) and laws for selling to kids should be tightly enforced and carry heavy punishment to prevent the spread of easy access to kids that you worry about, but its hard to say that criminalization is some how better than taking such steps as part of the legalization process would end up being..

we seem to be basically in agreement then,

i wouldn't require a guy to get an assessment

if he is selling (w/o a license or paying tax) or selling to kids busting him is fair

i don't think the amount of access kids have would increase, if they want to they can score any time any where already, hard to make it worse than it is, there will always be some dumb grownups who sell to kids just like with alcohol and they can and should be busted just like with alcohol..

i think the highway comparison doesn't work well, rules of the road and laws about what you can and cant do with drugs are different than making drugs or driving illegal.... the drug laws we have would be more like saying it is illegal to drive a car because you might speed.

i have no problem with laws about what you can and cant do with drugs or under there influence (driving under the influence of selling to kids etc ) or strict penalty's for breaking them...

Well, here in the U.S., particularly my state of Maine, we ARE helping them.  We've been helping them for years.  We don't throw a guy caught with a joint in jail for a bunch of years.  He has the option to pay a fine,

why does a guy with a joint need to pay a fine?

or depending on if it is a repeat offense, he can go through the adult drug court system.  Anyone who wants help can get hooked up with help.  The solution isn't to legalize the drugs, which would increase the access to minors, the solution is to continue to working on enforcement policies and not throw people who need help

why does a guy with a joint need help?

into jail and to make sure they are all getting help in EVERY state. 

much respect for the work you do rwhn and no disagreement with regards to kids on drugs, but a grown man is not a criminal unless the gov makes him one or he harms others, and he doesn't need help unless his actions are harming himself

"Dad's great, but listening to all that talk radio has put some weird ideas into his head," said daughter Samantha, a freshman at Reed College in Portland, OR. "He believes the Constitution allows the government to torture people and ban gay marriage, yet he doesn't even know that it guarantees universal health care."

at least the daughter is well informed, she probably is paying attention to her teachers in school,

there may be hope for the future after all...



the onion 

Remember when left-wing types cared about things that actually mattered?

nope

[(because in the 1st world the corruption seems to run at the higher eschelons and not so much at the basic level... while here its at every level)]

"Plant" on you twice or quadruple the legal ammount, and off you go to the big house - unless you bribe them off possibly, and that also depends on their current mood or how persuasive you are

Wow. This ever happen to anyone you know?

Its been only about half a year that it has been legalized here... but before it was legal ive known half a dozen people that got up to the bribing point... but thats cz they were a bit noobish, walking around at night with a lit joint while drunk... i dont know, maybe in first world countries corruption wouldnt be a factor... (because in the 1st world the corruption seems to run at the higher eschelons and not so much at the basic level... while here its at every level)

interesting i have heard the same sentiment from people from other 2nd world country's about corruption  being at every level and it only being high up here in the first world

i would say yay for us but corruption sucks at any level..

BTW, fomenter, I dig the Midnite Bomber What Bombs at Midnite.

I'm cookin' with gas. I've gotta handful of vertebrae and a headful of mad. Yeah. That's your spinal cord. Baby. Dig it. Who's the man? I'm the man. I'm a bad man. How bad? Real bad. I'm a 12.0 on the 10.0 scale of badness.

Get yourself a new monitor, please. Smaller (second hand?) flatscreens aren't that expensive anymore, anyway. It's totally worth it, better have a sharp smallish screen than a fuzzy big CRT.

Be sure to have the LCD or TFT screen run at its native resolution though, otherwise it's still fuzzy.

office monitor at work no say over getting up grades, my home monitor is on a lap top and i can read it fine no eye strain at all (and no need for font swapping )