Righto, this is the Ancient Greek perception of Eris and Enyo (who were considered one and the same until the Alexandrian period).
Right, family history first. According to Hesiod in his Theogony, Eris is the daughter of Nyx, that is night. Those versed in Chinese philosophy will immediately make the connection between Yin and Nyx, the feminime, the dark and the cold.
However, Eris bucks the trend when it comes to the usual passivity associated with that principle. She is also the sister of Ares, which should give you a clue as to her temperment.
Eris is also the mother of the Kakodaimones, the evil spirits which plagued mankind, according to Hesiod. These he names as "Toil, and Forgetfulness, and Starvation, and the Pains, full of weeping, the Fightings and the Battles, the Murders and the Man-slaughters, the Quarrels, the Lies, the Disputes, and Lawlessness and Ruin, who share one another's natures, and Oath who does more damage than any other to earthly men, when anyone, of his knowledge, swears to a false oath."
These are also traditionally seen as the ill fates that were bound in Pandora's Box. In fact, in Greek, the link is explicit in the mind of the poet. That would also imply that Hope is one of the children of Eris. Something to keep in mind, I feel.
For you fans of coincidence, Hesiod has a warning about the number 5. And I quote "Beware of all the fifth days [of the month]; for they are harsh and angry; it was on the fifth, they say, that the Erinyes assisted at the bearing of Horkos, whom Eris bore, to be a plague on those who take false oath." - Hesiod, Works and Days 804
However, Eris was mostly viewed as the Goddess of the Strife of War. With the regularity at which the Greeks fought, this is perhaps unsurprising. Her first mention of battle is in the Trojan War. According to Hesiod again, "[Eris] is hateful ... [she is the one] who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife)." - Hesiod, Works and Days 11
In the war, she took the side of the Trojans, along with her brother Ares and his two sons, Phobos (Terror) and Deimos (Fear), against the rest of the Olympians and the Greek invaders. Homer described her as follows "only a little thing at the first, but thereafter grows until she strides on the earth with her head striking heaven. She then hurled down bitterness equally between both sides as she walked through the onslaught making men's pain heavier." - Homer, Iliad 4.441
Eris even disobeyed Zeus and continued to fight, as the Lord of Olympus had commanded every God to retreat and let this stage of the war be a purely human affair.
Later on, she is seen on the battlefield with Confusion and Death, dragging dead bodies in a way reminiscint of what fate befell Hector after his challenge. "These stood their ground and fought a battle by the banks of the river, and they were making casts at each other with their spears bronze-headed; and Eris was there with Kydoimos (Confusion) among them, and Ker (Death) the destructive; she was holding a live man with a new wound, and another one unhurt, and dragged a dead man by the feet through the carnage." - Homer, Iliad 18.535
Eris also gifted the Amazonian Queen with an immensely dangerous weapon, presumably of her creation; "a huge halberd, sharp of either blade, which terrible Eris gave to Ares' child to be her Titan weapon in the strife [of the Trojan War] that raveneth souls of men." - Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 1.158
She also gets a bonus mention in one of Aesops fables, funnily enough along with the mention of an apple and a very Taoist piece of advice from Athena:
"Herakles was making his way through a narrow pass. He saw something that looked like an apple lying on the ground and he tried to smash it with his club. After having been struck by the club, the thing swelled up to twice its size. Herakles struck it again with his club, even harder than before, and the thing then expanded to such a size that it blocked Herakles's way. Herakles let go of his club and stood there, amazed. Athena saw him and said, 'O Herakles, don't be so surprised! This thing that has brought about your confusion is Aporia (Contentiousness) and Eris (Strife). If you just leave it alone, it stays small; but if you decide to fight it, then it swells from its small size and grows large." - Aesop, Fables 534 (from Chambry 129)
Eris was not limited to strife on the battlefield though, the strife which inflicts married life is also mentioned. "One day they [Polytekhnos and Aedon of Kolophon in Lydia] blurted out the needless remark that they loved each other more than did Hera and Zeus. Hera found what was said to be insupportable and sent Eris (Discord) between them to create strife in their activities."- Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 11
The story of the Golden Apple is an interesting one too. "And all the race of gods hasted to do honour to the white-armed bride [Thetis at her wedding to Peleus] ... But Eris (Strife) [alone] did Kheiron [who sent out the invitations] leave unhonoured: Kheiron did not regard her and Peleus heeded her not ..." so Eris "she bethought her of the golden apples of the Hesperides. Thence Eris took the fruit that should be the harbinger of war, even the apple, and devised the scheme of signal woes. Whirling her arm she hurled into the banquet the primal seed of turmoil and disturbed the choir of goddesses." I think we all know the story from there on in (taken from Colluthus, The Rape of Helen 38)
Eris also appears in some other Greek tales, sometimes under the name of Enyo, whom Homer ranked as equal to Athena in martial prowess "[The] goddesses, who range in order the ranks of men in fighting, [are] Athene and Enyo, sacker of cities." - Homer, Iliad 5.333
She makes many minor appearances in the Theban cycle of poetry, in particular the Thebiad, which tells of the fraticidal violence which eventually led to the epic battle as told by Aeschylus between Eteocles and the army of Thebes and Polynices and his supporters, traditional Theban enemies:
"Fit sentinels hold watch there [the Thracian palace of Mars-Ares]: from the outer gate wild Impetus (Passion) leaps, and blind Nefas (Mishief) and Irae (Angers) flushing red and pallid Metus (Fear), and Insidia (Treachery) lurks with hidden sword, and Discordia (Discord) [Eris] holding a two-edged blade. Minis (Threatenings) innumerable make clamour in the court, sullen Virtus (Valour) stands in the midst, and Furor (Rage) exultant and armed Mors (Death) with blood-stained visage are seated there; no blood but that of wars is on the altars, no fire but snatched from burning cities." - Statius, Thebaid 7.64
She is also mentioned in Valerius Flaccus' Argonautica, which is a pretty inferior rewriting of Apollonius of Rhodes' version of the tale: "Through the terror-stricken air again and again she [Aphrodite leading the Lemnian women to slaughter their unfaithful husbands] makes a strange cry ring ,Ķ Straightway Pavor (Fear) [Deimos] and insensate Discordia (Strife) [Eris] from her Getic lair, dark-browed Ira (Anger) with pale cheeks, Dolus (Treachery), Rabies (Frenzy) [Lyssa] and towering above the rest Letus (Death) [Ker], her cruel hands bared, come hastening up at the first sound of the Martian consort,Äôs pealing voice that gave the signal." - Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 2.200
Eris was also the escort of the dread Demon/Dragon Typhoeus, who Zeus battled deep in the Abyss, though she took no part in the battle itself.
Another important role is in the fascinating Dionysiaca text. Eris appeared in the form of the Goddess Rheia, exhorting him to make battle with the Indian King Deriades, who she later sides with, along with the usual crew of Ares and Fear and Terror.
However, Hesiod mentions there are two Eris', or at least two aspects to her:
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife). But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals." - Hesiod, Works and Days 11
Next part: Enyo, Bellona and the Eastern Connection.
Fuckin' brilliant.
Its nice to see the little bits and pieces you've posted over the years come together so clearly. Truly this gives us good perspective.
Enyo is considered by many who take the Homeric view to be the same goddess as Eris. Until the post-Classical times, this view seems to have been the norm and the post-Classical Greeks were buggers when it came to complicating things. They felt it made them look smart.
Enyo is basically the female version of Ares. She is a war goddess always, "the leveller of cities" and close companion of Ares.
Here are some choice quotes:
"Enyo, afire with torch fresh-charged and other serpents, was restoring the fight [in the war of the Seven Against Thebes]. They yearn for battle, as though they had but lately borne the opening shock of combat hand to hand, and every sword still shone bright and clear." - Statius, Thebaid 8.655
"The gifts of Ares are swords and brazen tunics to array the limbs and helmets and spears and whatsoever things Enyo delights in." - Oppian, Halieutica 2.24
The important difference is that the Enyo aspect at least had some worshippers in the ancient world, as few as they were. There were no Erisians that we know of in Ancient Greece. This is not surprising as even Ares was treated with suspicion. The only people who might've worshipped her would have been the Thracians, who were keen on Ares and his sons. However, the Thracians were warlike tribes who left no written records and favourite pastime was killing their enemies in the most brutal way possible and so probably would not make a good model for worship anyway.
Enyo actually had two shrines; [In the sanctuary of Ares at Athens] is also an image of Enyo, made by the sons of Praxiteles." - Pausanias, Guide to Greece 1.7.4
Also "In this Antitauros [in Cappadocia, Asia Minor] are deep and narrow valleys, in which are situated Komana and the temple of Enyo, whom the people there call Ma [the Greeks identified Enyo with the Phrygian goddess Ma]." - Strabo, Geography 12.2.3
Ma is interesting, as there exist little in the way of records I can find on her. However, under another of her guises, Comana, she told Sulla in a dream to do her bidding and he invaded the city of Rome, initiating the Dictatorship and proscriptions which led to the eventual breakdown of the Republic a few decades after his death.
Also, she corresponds strongly with the Babylonian Goddess Ishtar. If we look to her Sumerian counterpart, Innana, we see a goddess of both war and love. She has a similar disrespect for authority (stealing some of Enki's powers) and also has a fascinating myth of her descent into the underworld. Inanna is the Great Goddess of Sumeria. She is the mightiest deity of the Sumerian pantheon, surpassing An the Sky God. She was called "Queen of Heaven and Earth", a title later given to various goddesses, including Mary. She was the all-powerful Goddess of Love, War, Sex, Beauty, Fertility, the Earth, and of Life.
From here, a complicated and somewhat tenuous link to Kali can be made, with both representing violent feminine goddesses who were also symbolised by Venus.
However, the most concrete and definite foreign version of Eris in the ancient world is Bellona. She is believed to be one of the numinous gods of the Romans and is supposed by many to have been the Romans' original war deity, predating the identification of Mars with Ares. Her name, Bellona, is derived from the Latin word for "war" (bellum), and is directly related to the modern English word "belligerent" (lit., "war-bearing"). In art, she is portrayed with a helmet, sword, spear, and torch.
Politically, all Senate meetings relating to foreign war were conducted in the Templum Bellonae (Temple of Bellona) on the Collis Capitolinus outside the pomerium. This temple was built in 296 BC and was burned down in 48 BC; Bellona's festival was celebrated on June 3.
Near the beginning of Shakespeare's Macbeth, Macbeth is introduced as a violent and brave warrior when the Thane of Ross calls Macbeth "Bellona's bridegroom" (I.ii.54).
Finally, one can look to the philosophy of Heraclitus and change for a different and possibly more Eastern/Esoteric/Modern conception of Eris. For if strife leads to change, then everything he says is valid.
http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/Philosophy/Heraclitus.html
Such phrases as
"By cosmic rule, as day yields night, so winter summer, war peace, plenty famine. All things change. Fire penetrates the lump of myrrh, until the joining bodies die and rise again in smoke called incense."
"Men do not know how that which is drawn in different directions harmonises with itself. The harmonious structure of the world depends upon opposite tension like that of the bow and the lyre."
"War is the father of all and the king of all"
"Every animal is driven to pasture with a blow"
come to mind.
How Eris' deadly spear does shake!
How the whole temple shakes! Away, away with the fearful!
It must be Strife kicking at the door with her fair foot.
Do you not see? The Delian palm nods gently,
All of a sudden; the lance sweeps beautifully in the air.
Bolts of the doors, thrust yourselves back.
Keys--open the doors! For the god is no longer far away.
So, young men, prepare yourselves for fighting and death.
Eris appears not to all, only to the worthy.
He who sees her is great; who does not is lowly.
We will see you, hard-hearted Eris, and we will never be lowly.
Let the cithara not be silent.
Nor your step noiseless with Strife approaching, you children,
If you intend to complete the vows and to ward off Horkos,
And if the wall is to stand on its aging foundations.
Well done the youths; the strings are no longer at rest.
Be silent and hear the song of Eris's glory.
Even the sea is silent, for bards celebrate
The two edged blade or spear, weapons of immortal Strife.
Neither does mother Thetis dare to lament for her Achilles
If she hears, the Lady of Sorrow walk.
Even the weeping rock forgets its griefs--
The sobbing stone forever fixed in Phrygia,
Marble where once a woman gaped sorrowfully.
Cry, "Hie, Hie" it is a poor thing to contest the blessed.
May he who fights with the blessed fight my king,
And may he who fights my king also fight with Eris.
The chorus which sings to Eris with its heart
She will honor. She has the power; even Zeus will not challenge her.
Neither will the chorus sing of Eris for only one day;
She is worthy of many hymns. The brave readily sing of Strife.
Golden is Eris' apple and yet she threw its gold away,
As are her eyes and two bladed sword and sheath of gold;
Golden is her hair, for Eris is rich in gold.
Rich in possessions; for competition brings it own reward.
Always fair, always terrible! Never does
the blood of slain touch her weapons of choice.
Her hair drips the sweat of toil to the ground,
But streaming from the locks of Eris is not fat.
But victory. In the city where these dew drops
Fall to earth all things are secure.
None is so versatile in battle as Eris.
She watches over the cunning; she watches over the bard;
Eris' are both the dagger and song.
Hers are the prophets and prophetesses; from Enyo
Soldiers learn the skill of hastening death.
We call her the goddess of apples since that time
When by the fault of Kheiron she was not invited to honour Peleus
And with burning anger did take the golden apples of the Hesperides.
With ease she did carve the words ,Äúto the Prettiest,Äù
And then rolled it into the wedding hall
Where the three goddesses fought for
Their own vanity and so bought about the,
destruction of the fairest city of Troy.
Men who take cities are followers of
Enyo, for she rejoices in the
art of war and cunning, and Eris herself lays the plans of attack.
At the start of creation Eris fought the Olympians
Acting as escort for the infernal dragon
Strife was Typhon,Äôs escort in the mellay
While the thunderbolts with booming shots reveled
like dancers in the sky, she took no side
Seeking to stop the rulership of either side
Thus did Eris find wisdom inbetween opposing forces
Eris also showed Medea how to aid Jason,
And so defeat the harvested men of Drakon,
Blessing the crested helm with death-bringing hand.
To grant them the fleece. Eris' favour is forever valued.
Oh Eris! Many call you Discordia,
Many Strife. Everywhere he has many a name
But I call her Enyo, as did my ancestors.
Sparta, was among your most loyal.
Scythia second, and third the towns of Thrace.
From the sacking of fairest Ilium by the Achaens
Travelled you to the strife of Thebes. And from Thebes
the battles of Dionysos brought you to the Indian fight,
And he made you there a fine fight. In the city
He prescribed a continuing ritual, Enyo, in which
Many bulls fall to their haunches and die.
Hie, hie, Strife, rarely invoked! Your altars
flow in the blood of all the tyrants and defilers
who would nurture our foes and do us harm,
As well as the destroyers of good. For you the eternal fire,
And never does the ash feed on the coals of yesterday.
Enyo rejoiced greatly when the girded men of Athens
Danced with death and slew the Persians
When the awaited war season came round.
But the Hellens were not yet able to reach
Xerxes' might. They still lived in divided and fractured cities.
The Lady saw these herself and showed them how to fight
As she stood on the jagged hills of Thermopylae, where
Leonidas' men slew the lions of Persia, the Immortals in battle.
Eris has seen no other dance more divine,
Nor, mindful of the previous crimes, had she granted such benefits
To any people as to the doomed. Nor have the children of freedom
Honored any god more than Strife.
"Hie hie Discordia" resounds because her people
Of Thrace first established this refrain
When with your two-edged blade you gave proof of your skill.
A fantastic beast faced you as you descended to nether pits,
A horrible beast. You slew him with one swift blow,
One swift strike after another. The people cried
"Hie hie Enyo! Slew the beast!" Your mother surely
Begat you as a helper, and since then you live in song.
Envy spoke secretly into the ear of Eris,
"I do not honor the singer who does not sing so great as is the sea."
Eris kicked Envy with her foot and spoke thus:
"The stream of the Assyrian river is great, but it bears
In its water much waste from the earth and much refuse.
The bees do not carry to Deo just any water
But what was pure and unsullied, a small, trickling stream
From a sacred spring, its finest product."
Hail, Lord. Ridicule and Envy away!
Episkopos Cain, ripping off Calimachus something terrible.
One more tidbit before my fingers drop off
Temple/Cult of Enyo, known as the Phyrgian Goddess Ma. Another name of Bau was Ma, and Nintu, "a form of the goddess Ma", was half a woman and half a serpent, and was depicted with "a babe suckling her breast". And that was an aspect of Tiamat, the chaos dragon, is the Great Mother. She has a dual character. As the origin of good she is the creatrix of the gods.
This thread needs a sticky, pronto. SS Modz, that means YUO.
Cain...
We love you here.
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I'll post some thoughts based on this later. As in, when I feel like doing it. There are some more quotes and stuff, but they are along the same line as the ones above and mostly to do with the Trojan War, so meh.
I like this sort of thing very much.
Thanks. Just posted part three of Kyriakos too, which I have been neglecting far too much. Part 4 to follow in a bit, where I will actually have to use some of the stuff I studied, as opposed to maps of Attica.
This is worth a few days dedicated research. It's worth a lot here.
Another thanks to the esteemed scholar Cain.
Quote from: CainHow Eris' deadly spear does shake!
How the whole temple shakes! Away, away with the fearful!
It must be Strife kicking at the door with her fair foot.
Do you not see? The Delian palm nods gently,
All of a sudden; the lance sweeps beautifully in the air.
Bolts of the doors, thrust yourselves back.
Keys--open the doors! For the god is no longer far away.
So, young men, prepare yourselves for fighting and death.
Eris appears not to all, only to the worthy.
He who sees her is great; who does not is lowly.
We will see you, hard-hearted Eris, and we will never be lowly.
Let the cithara not be silent.
Nor your step noiseless with Strife approaching, you children,
If you intend to complete the vows and to ward off Horkos,
And if the wall is to stand on its aging foundations.
Well done the youths; the strings are no longer at rest.
Be silent and hear the song of Eris's glory.
Even the sea is silent, for bards celebrate
The two edged blade or spear, weapons of immortal Strife.
Neither does mother Thetis dare to lament for her Achilles
If she hears, the Lady of Sorrow walk.
Even the weeping rock forgets its griefs--
The sobbing stone forever fixed in Phrygia,
Marble where once a woman gaped sorrowfully.
Cry, "Hie, Hie" it is a poor thing to contest the blessed.
May he who fights with the blessed fight my king,
And may he who fights my king also fight with Eris.
The chorus which sings to Eris with its heart
She will honor. She has the power; even Zeus will not challenge her.
Neither will the chorus sing of Eris for only one day;
She is worthy of many hymns. The brave readily sing of Strife.
Golden is Eris' apple and yet she threw its gold away,
As are her eyes and two bladed sword and sheath of gold;
Golden is her hair, for Eris is rich in gold.
Rich in possessions; for competition brings it own reward.
Always fair, always terrible! Never does
the blood of slain touch her weapons of choice.
Her hair drips the sweat of toil to the ground,
But streaming from the locks of Eris is not fat.
But victory. In the city where these dew drops
Fall to earth all things are secure.
None is so versatile in battle as Eris.
She watches over the cunning; she watches over the bard;
Eris' are both the dagger and song.
Hers are the prophets and prophetesses; from Enyo
Soldiers learn the skill of hastening death.
We call her the goddess of apples since that time
When by the fault of Kheiron she was not invited to honour Peleus
And with burning anger did take the golden apples of the Hesperides.
With ease she did carve the words ,Äúto the Prettiest,Äù
And then rolled it into the wedding hall
Where the three goddesses fought for
Their own vanity and so bought about the,
destruction of the fairest city of Troy.
Men who take cities are followers of
Enyo, for she rejoices in the
art of war and cunning, and Eris herself lays the plans of attack.
At the start of creation Eris fought the Olympians
Acting as escort for the infernal dragon
Strife was Typhon,Äôs escort in the mellay
While the thunderbolts with booming shots reveled
like dancers in the sky, she took no side
Seeking to stop the rulership of either side
Thus did Eris find wisdom inbetween opposing forces
Eris also showed Medea how to aid Jason,
And so defeat the harvested men of Drakon,
Blessing the crested helm with death-bringing hand.
To grant them the fleece. Eris' favour is forever valued.
Oh Eris! Many call you Discordia,
Many Strife. Everywhere he has many a name
But I call her Enyo, as did my ancestors.
Sparta, was among your most loyal.
Scythia second, and third the towns of Thrace.
From the sacking of fairest Ilium by the Achaens
Travelled you to the strife of Thebes. And from Thebes
the battles of Dionysos brought you to the Indian fight,
And he made you there a fine fight. In the city
He prescribed a continuing ritual, Enyo, in which
Many bulls fall to their haunches and die.
Hie, hie, Strife, rarely invoked! Your altars
flow in the blood of all the tyrants and defilers
who would nurture our foes and do us harm,
As well as the destroyers of good. For you the eternal fire,
And never does the ash feed on the coals of yesterday.
Enyo rejoiced greatly when the girded men of Athens
Danced with death and slew the Persians
When the awaited war season came round.
But the Hellens were not yet able to reach
Xerxes' might. They still lived in divided and fractured cities.
The Lady saw these herself and showed them how to fight
As she stood on the jagged hills of Thermopylae, where
Leonidas' men slew the lions of Persia, the Immortals in battle.
Eris has seen no other dance more divine,
Nor, mindful of the previous crimes, had she granted such benefits
To any people as to the doomed. Nor have the children of freedom
Honored any god more than Strife.
"Hie hie Discordia" resounds because her people
Of Thrace first established this refrain
When with your two-edged blade you gave proof of your skill.
A fantastic beast faced you as you descended to nether pits,
A horrible beast. You slew him with one swift blow,
One swift strike after another. The people cried
"Hie hie Enyo! Slew the beast!" Your mother surely
Begat you as a helper, and since then you live in song.
Envy spoke secretly into the ear of Eris,
"I do not honor the singer who does not sing so great as is the sea."
Eris kicked Envy with her foot and spoke thus:
"The stream of the Assyrian river is great, but it bears
In its water much waste from the earth and much refuse.
The bees do not carry to Deo just any water
But what was pure and unsullied, a small, trickling stream
From a sacred spring, its finest product."
Hail, Lord. Ridicule and Envy away!
Episkopos Cain, ripping off Calimachus something terrible.
FUCKING RAAAAAAHHHH!
Spot on, lad!
Cain, I love you and want to bear your children.
.... I'm a guy though, so that might be problematic.
"Eris" who-tf is Eris? (thanks for the info) ;)
Interesting Cain.
My whole life I have been tought that Eris was teh First, pure Chaos.
Then There was Earth, and then Tarturas, and then Eros, then the children, Erebos & Nyx.
Makes me wonder of it all.
*will now do more searches, as I am only going by what I have been taught*
It is hard for me to view Eris, as a child of Nyx. I have seen it the other way all my life.
Thank You for this info.
Quote from: maphdetInteresting Cain.
My whole life I have been tought that Eris was teh First, pure Chaos.
Then There was Earth, and then Tarturas, and then Eros, then the children, Erebos & Nyx.
Makes me wonder of it all.
*will now do more searches, as I am only going by what I have been taught*
It is hard for me to view Eris, as a child of Nyx. I have seen it the other way all my life.
Thank You for this info.
Well, don't let some silly post on a silly bulletin board change your mind just because some silly facts were posted.
Quote from: PricklyWell, don't let some silly post on a silly bulletin board change your mind just because some silly facts were posted.
I'll be sure to mind my change. If any.
:)
Quote from: maphdetInteresting Cain.
My whole life I have been tought that Eris was teh First, pure Chaos.
Whomever taught you was incorrect.
Just saying.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Whomever taught you was incorrect.
Just saying.
*doesn't remember who tought me*
How much, is actually Written about Eris/Erebos/Ether/Hemera/thewholehappyfam oh
and Chaos ofcourse, from a mythological perspective? And from Who?
Not that I take it to heart, but would make good reading and Myths are interesting to me.
Quote from: maphdetQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger
Whomever taught you was incorrect.
Just saying.
*doesn't remember who tought me*
How much, is actually Written about Eris/Erebos/Ether/Hemera/thewholehappyfam oh
and Chaos ofcourse, from a mythological perspective? And from Who?
Not that I take it to heart, but would make good reading and Myths are interesting to me.
A whole crapload, from Homer on down.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger
A whole crapload, from Homer on down.
Does that list include Hesiod?
Best main sources are Homer, Hesiod and Quintus Smyrnaeus, who wrote another account of the Trojan War in the Classical Greek era (4th century BC). Beyond that, most mentions are minor, such as in the Dionysica or some versions of Jason and the Agonauts.
I am mighty impressed by your knowledge of mythology! And I assumed I knew quite a bit...I'm finishing a book that involves mythology. Namely Eris and Aphrodite among others, so I really scoured the books on them. Or so I thought. Great....now I feel inadequate again.
But, seriously, that had to have taken a lot of time...I bet your sight is about to go along with your fingers!
Quote from: CainOne more tidbit before my fingers drop off
Temple/Cult of Enyo, known as the Phyrgian Goddess Ma.
Also, Phyrgian is a Classical Greek mode (musical scale), noted by Pythagoras as being "Fiery"
and "Unpredictable"... perhaps there was a predisposition?
An interesting lingual connection that didn't occur to me. Of course, that is actally named after the Kingdom of Phyrgia in Asia Minor, where it was developed. But since music was an integral part of Greek religion, it is well worth noting. Thanks.
I really like playing in Phyrgian.
Quote from: maphdet on May 31, 2006, 07:00:50 AM
Interesting Cain.
My whole life I have been tought that Eris was teh First, pure Chaos.
Then There was Earth, and then Tarturas, and then Eros, then the children, Erebos & Nyx.
Makes me wonder of it all.
*will now do more searches, as I am only going by what I have been taught*
It is hard for me to view Eris, as a child of Nyx. I have seen it the other way all my life.
Thank You for this info.
According to Theogonia , Chaos was the nothingness out of which the first objects of existence appeared. These first beings were Gaia, Tartarus, Nyx, and Erebus. The distinction beetween original Chaos and Eris confused me at first as well. Can Chaos be thought of as a god?
In earlier Greek myths, Chaos was seen as a god. In later ones, chaos was seen more as the formless matter from which the cosmos, or harmonious order, was created.
Of course, the Greeks never said Eris was the goddess of Chaos, that was an invention of those tards Thornley and Hill. Eris means strife, which is different.
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Indeed. I feel this topic needs more ranting upon.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2006, 08:26:32 PM
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Sure we are. The Original Snub was all about fucking shit up and starting the biggest squabble in history, a model we follow with zest. I don't get how goddess-worshipping (i.e. pseudopagan) "Erisians" nabbed the name first but I think it's high time we took it back. It's languishing in the hands of damn dirty hippies, surely an unbearable injustice.
fuckin' A.
I'm a Deimosian Erisian.
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on October 26, 2006, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2006, 08:26:32 PM
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Sure we are.  The Original Snub was all about fucking shit up and starting the biggest squabble in history, a model we follow with zest.  I don't get how goddess-worshipping (i.e. pseudopagan) "Erisians" nabbed the name first but I think it's high time we took it back.  It's languishing in the hands of damn dirty hippies, surely an unbearable injustice.
For Great Justice!!! Shave my armpit hair, my hotdog needs more topings
Quote from: Norton Jr on December 09, 2006, 07:01:38 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on October 26, 2006, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2006, 08:26:32 PM
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Sure we are.  The Original Snub was all about fucking shit up and starting the biggest squabble in history, a model we follow with zest.  I don't get how goddess-worshipping (i.e. pseudopagan) "Erisians" nabbed the name first but I think it's high time we took it back.  It's languishing in the hands of damn dirty hippies, surely an unbearable injustice.
For Great Justice!!! Shave my armpit hair, my hotdog needs more topings
YOURE A FUCKING RETARD!
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on October 26, 2006, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2006, 08:26:32 PM
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Sure we are. The Original Snub was all about fucking shit up and starting the biggest squabble in history, a model we follow with zest. I don't get how goddess-worshipping (i.e. pseudopagan) "Erisians" nabbed the name first but I think it's high time we took it back. It's languishing in the hands of damn dirty hippies, surely an unbearable injustice.
Let's take 'em both. "Erisians" are pussies.
Quote from: Norton Jr on December 09, 2006, 07:01:38 AM
Quote from: Rabid Badger of God on October 26, 2006, 10:20:11 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2006, 08:26:32 PM
maybe we've had the Erisian/Discordian split backwards all along?
maybe WE are the Erisians?
Sure we are.  The Original Snub was all about fucking shit up and starting the biggest squabble in history, a model we follow with zest.  I don't get how goddess-worshipping (i.e. pseudopagan) "Erisians" nabbed the name first but I think it's high time we took it back.  It's languishing in the hands of damn dirty hippies, surely an unbearable injustice.
For Great Justice!!! Shave my armpit hair, my hotdog needs more topings
For the love of Gawd...SHUT THE FUCK UP!
He did....over a month ago.
Sweet Goddess! You guys know your shit when it comes to Eris! This must be put somewhere permenant.
Thanks. A bit of Classical history/poetry and lots of spare time did help....its saved on my hard disk, does that count?
I remember this was a good trad-disco primer; I'll read it again.
Quote from: Cain on January 15, 2007, 06:49:08 PM
He did....over a month ago.
Better late than never, when it comes to hate.
Quote from: Annie Blort on January 17, 2007, 04:58:53 AM
Sweet Goddess! You guys know your shit when it comes to Eris! This must be put somewhere permenant.
Fuck off, Mal Tertiary.
Fuck on Rverend Rodger...
Fuck on.
Quote from: Annie Blort on January 22, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
Fuck on Rverend Rodger...
Fuck on.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.
What meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have strength enough to deride all your ignorant questions and half-baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel.
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been ,Äòright,Äô. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
"You remind me of drool"?
Day-um.
:-o
Shit, Roger...
Fuck me, do I wish I could memorise that tirade. There are so many people that I want to shout that at.
Way to bitchslap a dumb fuck rog. :mittens:
I think that 3 paragraph beatdown showed real determination and excellence in the areas of hate and anti-shitheadedness.
Guy is a fucking hate-ninja!
I dunno, it seemed well-composed yet uninspired. More of a strong dismissal than a great roast.
And who is Mal the Tertiary?
A doofus, if I recall.
you recall wisely.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 23, 2007, 06:18:45 AM
Quote from: Annie Blort on January 22, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
Fuck on Rverend Rodger...
Fuck on.
You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.
What meaning do you expect your delusional self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?
You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.
On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.
I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have strength enough to deride all your ignorant questions and half-baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel.
The only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been ,Äòright,Äô. Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.
Calling you dull is a gross underestimation of just how tedious you are. You have the personality of a damp sponge and the appeal of a moldy sweat sock. You are like watching Amputee Field Hockey: pathetic, and very quickly disgusting. Maybe you wouldn't read like such a pathetic loser if that pimple on your ass hadn't turned out to be a brain tumor; if the chief excitement in your meaningless life wasn't spotting people who are fatter than you are, or if you didn't have a face that could be used as an alternative to a stomach pump. Nah, of course you would.
You light up a room when you leave it. You are the kind of person who, when one first meets you, one doesn't like you. But when one gets to know you better, one hates you. Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a jellyfish-sucking mental midget if you didn't have an intellect rivaled only by the Village Idiot's stupider brother; if your weren't so fat that when God said "Let there be Light", he told you to move your fat ass out of the way, or if you didn't have a face that could scare a hungry wolf off a meat truck. Who am I kidding? You would.
I don't think you are a fool but what's my opinion compared to that of thousands of others? Are you always this ignorant, or are you making a special effort today? If you knew what you're talking about, you'd be dangerous. To quote Thomas Brackett Reed: "They never open their mouths without subtracting from the sum of human knowledge." Why don't you shrink your head and use it as a paperweight? It's not much use for writing intelligent posts with, that's for sure. If you're going to say something that ignorant, you could at least fake a stroke. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing?
If that post was intended as a joke, you forgot to include the punch line. Do yourself and everyone else a favor: take a fatal overdose of your medication.
Hmf.
I hope Rog will come back and continue this.
Rog's got no balls.
He fears the flame war.
Quote from: Cain on January 17, 2007, 05:17:38 AM
Thanks. A bit of Classical history/poetry and lots of spare time did help....its saved on my hard disk, does that count?
No, your hard drive is likely to be arrested for crimes against humanity.
Annie, your post needs more strife.
And gonads.
LMNO
-gonads and strife, ftw.
I think I'm the only one who actually understands what is happening here.
Which makes me a sad panda.
Cain gets all mysterious, ITT.
Google is your friend.
I think I see what you're getting at.
Yeah, Rog is Mal3. :shock:
Quote from: hunter s.durden on February 05, 2007, 09:20:44 AM
Rog's got no balls.
He fears the flame war.
I have no need to continue. I told him what I had to say.
His rebuttal is just a stale ripoff of the concept I used to tell him what it was that I had to day.
Sad thing is, Mal^3 would be a biped, if he'd just try being original.
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2007, 01:55:21 PM
Google is your friend.
Google still isn't telling me WTF you are talking about.
Google is not your friend.
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2007, 08:33:56 PM
Google is not your friend.
I
hate uppity Googlists.
No, wait, I hate almost anybody associated with the CoG.
They are rather militant little atheists, aren't they? I think my relaxed agnosticism upsets them.
Quote from: Cain on February 05, 2007, 08:40:52 PM
They are rather militant little atheists, aren't they?  I think my relaxed agnosticism upsets them.
Youre still there? :lol:
Yeah, I know. Even the ones that think that it's satire take the
satire seriously.
At least it's not Cuttlefishism though.
I pop in now and then. It was enjoyable, jumping on their parade about evil Muzzie terrorists, and having the data to show they were talking crap.
I wish I had the data to tell someone they were talking crap - that would totally rock! As it is I have to rely solely on confusing sidetracks, mockery and personal insults.
Try the Art of Eristic Debate then
http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/controversy/chapter1.html
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
That is actually a fairly wise choice. Sometimes.
Quote from: LMNO on February 06, 2007, 01:00:29 PM
That is actually a fairly wise choice.  Sometimes.
Agreed
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AMAaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on  :-(
you too shall read schopenhauer.
(just agree with this and you might not EVAR have to agree with ANYTHING anymore in yuor life)
Its awesome. I tend to have it open while flaming tards on another forum I visit.
would make a good selling line:
"schopenhauer's art of controversy is the last book i ever agreed with"
or something.
i found my dutch translation of it back (after a few years lying on top of a friends' bookshelves), gonna give it a good re-read soon.
Quote from: Cain on February 08, 2007, 09:09:10 PM
Its awesome.  I tend to have it open while flaming tards on another forum I visit.
I figured as much. You do brilliant work.
Actually, not while on that forum. I tend to relax there. This one is the one I've been steadily trolling for years, and have now got rid of most of their members.
And they foolishly created a flame forum there! :lol:
Feel free to x-post the jucier bits.
I've got some screen shots of my smaller comebacks, will link them in the ITB Lulz thread.
Interesting....did you know the Greeks like Discordians have a five stage period of history?
The Golden Age
According to Hesiod, this was the age when Cronos was in power. It was an age of perfection, of innocence and happiness, in which truth and justice prevailed, not through, force, or power, but through man,Äôs natural goodness. Labour was not necessary, because the earth freely gave its wealth and riches without labour; warlike instruments did not exist, because peace was in the hearts of men. It was always spring ,Äì the only season ,Äì and men were always young; fruit and flowers bloomed without being planted, and milk and wine came from the rivers, the honey flowed from the oak. Death, when it came, was a pleasant sleep, and men were transformed in to good spirits or demons, and were then appointed to watch over men on earth and to guard and guide them.
The Silver Age
An age, despite its name, of suffering hardship, and decay. Zeus introduced the seasons of the year, which meant the displeasure and discomfort of summer heat and winter cold, and he reduced the spring. Houses ,Äì not necessary in the golden age had to be built, and labour became necessary for man and animal because nature no longer gave its treasures for the asking. The silver age men were strong and powerful, but they were impious, defiant, and mentally weak. When they died, they lived under the earth as spirits, but Zeus did not confer on them immortality, which was one of the gifts of the age of gold.
The Brazen Age
The work of Zeus, when all things were made of brass (or bronze), was a period of war, violence, savagery, and strife, in which strong men ,Äì stronger than those in the silver age ,Äì destroyed each other. In this era, when men died, they stayed dead.
The Heroic Age
The age of demigods and heroes. Superior to both the silver and the brazen ages, it is the period associated with the Theban and Trojan Wars.
The Iron Age
The last age and the worst. This followed the heroic age, which is suspiciously modern in its resemblance to later and present-day society. It was not merely a period of struggle and hard labour, but of labour degraded into toil. Crime was common, and all the qualities that we hold up as ideals, truth, modesty, virtue, honour, decency ,Äì were stifled. Day and night were made miserable by care and worry. Mean and selfish purposes dominated men, who used the earth,Äôs wealth in mean and selfish ways. The qualities that we are supposed to be ashamed of were the ones that were uppermost: fraud, deceit, violence, and hatred. The world was red with blood, and civil and foreign wars were as common as crime. With the world in such a state, one can hardly blame Zeus for his descision to drown the world and its inhabitants ,Äì only the fear of setting heaven itself ablaze kept him from starting a fire ,Äì and to create a new world and race.
well crafted and educational opener.
thumbs up.
Quote from: Ambassador KAOS on March 31, 2007, 02:01:14 PM
well crafted and educational opener.
thumbs up.
LOL THREAD RUINED!
Do many of you worship Eris?
Hell no. She smites worshippers.
So what do you do with her then?
Personally, I stay away from even believing in her. Cant really talk for anyone else in here.
If you are new here, and not an Alt. i recomend the B.I.P. forum or read through some of The Good Reverands rants, they are good starting point, also ask the more experienced members any questions you like, avoiding any reference to "23" or pineal glands...
Edited: Because I feel like it.
Hardcore sex acts, usually.
which ruins the sandcastles, usually.
If you do it right, yes.
Isn't that defaming the vision of someone else's Godess?
So what?
I suppose there is more than one form of worship.
"suppose"?
Well, I only know of two myself:
:a2m:
You fail.
Please deposit $0.25 to play again.
I fail what?
Oh! Come on, let's not stop there. I was enjoying all the attention you were giving me, Mr Hanged Man.
Was I in some kind of competition or something?
Were we in the midst of an insightfull discord?
Is she here now?
Symbollicly speaking, of course . . .
Quote from: Your Audience on April 04, 2007, 10:40:37 PM
So what do you do with her then?
Hardcore fetish sex acts on a Friday afternoon while in front of a Catholic Church, Jewish, Hindic or Buddhist temple eating a hotdog on a hotdog bun as a remonstration against the popular paganisms of the day (Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Discordianism).
Quote from: saint aini on April 06, 2007, 01:52:39 AM
Quote from: Your Audience on April 04, 2007, 10:40:37 PM
So what do you do with her then?
Hardcore fetish sex acts on a Friday afternoon while in front of a Catholic Church, Jewish, Hindic or Buddhist temple eating a hotdog on a hotdog bun as a remonstration against the popular paganisms of the day (Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Discordianism).
Cool. Can anybody do that?
Quote from: Your Audience on April 06, 2007, 02:09:19 AM
Quote from: saint aini on April 06, 2007, 01:52:39 AM
Quote from: Your Audience on April 04, 2007, 10:40:37 PM
So what do you do with her then?
Hardcore fetish sex acts on a Friday afternoon while in front of a Catholic Church, Jewish, Hindic or Buddhist temple eating a hotdog on a hotdog bun as a remonstration against the popular paganisms of the day (Catholicism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Discordianism).
Cool. Can anybody do that?
Pentabarf... Read it.
I did, I just wasn't sure if I should take it seriously or not.
Quote from: Your Audience on April 06, 2007, 02:17:16 AM
I did, I just wasn't sure if I should take it seriously or not.
That's the nature of the elaborate joke disguised as a religion disguised as an elaborate joke disguised as a religion.
You never will know how many licks.
Now I'm definatley going to have to rub one off on you.
Quote from: Your Audience on April 06, 2007, 02:22:20 AM
Now I'm definatley going to have to rub one off on you.
Mind you, these are some of the best jakes and jokers on the Interwebs.
It won't happen.
Oh God just SHUT UP, both of you.
(http://www.chooseyouritem.com/jokes/1stHybridMotorcycle.jpg)
Quote from: Your Audience on April 06, 2007, 02:17:16 AM
I did, I just wasn't sure if I should take it seriously or not.
Take it seriously. Very seriously.
Will you people the fuck get out and quit ruining this thread???!!!
GODDAMN IT, IF I MUST TAKE THE SCALPEL TO YOUR FUCKING SIDE AND REMOVE YOUR OVARIES, SO BE IT!!
Venting anger on dead threads BMW?
Quote from: Payne on April 24, 2007, 05:58:15 AM
Venting anger on dead threads BMW?
This is a really fucking cool thread.
Or at least it was before it was jacked.
Introducing me to the Enyo aspect was one of the main reasons I took off to Berlin last summer, to see the Pergammon altar, of which Enyo is one of the reliefs on the main freeze.
I know what you mean. I liked this thread too. At least "Your Audience" fucked off.
I would try to post something relevent to the OP, but anything I know has already been covered, so it's best for me to leave it to some else to un-jack it.
re-jack.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2006, 01:04:37 AM
Righto, this is the Ancient Greek perception of Eris and Enyo (who were considered one and the same until the Alexandrian period).
Right, family history first. According to Hesiod in his Theogony, Eris is the daughter of Nyx, that is night. Those versed in Chinese philosophy will immediately make the connection between Yin and Nyx, the feminime, the dark and the cold.
However, Eris bucks the trend when it comes to the usual passivity associated with that principle. She is also the sister of Ares, which should give you a clue as to her temperment.
Eris is also the mother of the Kakodaimones, the evil spirits which plagued mankind, according to Hesiod. These he names as "Toil, and Forgetfulness, and Starvation, and the Pains, full of weeping, the Fightings and the Battles, the Murders and the Man-slaughters, the Quarrels, the Lies, the Disputes, and Lawlessness and Ruin, who share one another's natures, and Oath who does more damage than any other to earthly men, when anyone, of his knowledge, swears to a false oath."
These are also traditionally seen as the ill fates that were bound in Pandora's Box. In fact, in Greek, the link is explicit in the mind of the poet. That would also imply that Hope is one of the children of Eris. Something to keep in mind, I feel.
For you fans of coincidence, Hesiod has a warning about the number 5. And I quote "Beware of all the fifth days [of the month]; for they are harsh and angry; it was on the fifth, they say, that the Erinyes assisted at the bearing of Horkos, whom Eris bore, to be a plague on those who take false oath." - Hesiod, Works and Days 804
However, Eris was mostly viewed as the Goddess of the Strife of War. With the regularity at which the Greeks fought, this is perhaps unsurprising. Her first mention of battle is in the Trojan War. According to Hesiod again, "[Eris] is hateful ... [she is the one] who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife)." - Hesiod, Works and Days 11
In the war, she took the side of the Trojans, along with her brother Ares and his two sons, Phobos (Terror) and Deimos (Fear), against the rest of the Olympians and the Greek invaders. Homer described her as follows "only a little thing at the first, but thereafter grows until she strides on the earth with her head striking heaven. She then hurled down bitterness equally between both sides as she walked through the onslaught making men's pain heavier." - Homer, Iliad 4.441
Eris even disobeyed Zeus and continued to fight, as the Lord of Olympus had commanded every God to retreat and let this stage of the war be a purely human affair.
Later on, she is seen on the battlefield with Confusion and Death, dragging dead bodies in a way reminiscint of what fate befell Hector after his challenge. "These stood their ground and fought a battle by the banks of the river, and they were making casts at each other with their spears bronze-headed; and Eris was there with Kydoimos (Confusion) among them, and Ker (Death) the destructive; she was holding a live man with a new wound, and another one unhurt, and dragged a dead man by the feet through the carnage." - Homer, Iliad 18.535
Eris also gifted the Amazonian Queen with an immensely dangerous weapon, presumably of her creation; "a huge halberd, sharp of either blade, which terrible Eris gave to Ares' child to be her Titan weapon in the strife [of the Trojan War] that raveneth souls of men." - Quintus Smyrnaeus, Fall of Troy 1.158
She also gets a bonus mention in one of Aesops fables, funnily enough along with the mention of an apple and a very Taoist piece of advice from Athena:
"Herakles was making his way through a narrow pass. He saw something that looked like an apple lying on the ground and he tried to smash it with his club. After having been struck by the club, the thing swelled up to twice its size. Herakles struck it again with his club, even harder than before, and the thing then expanded to such a size that it blocked Herakles's way. Herakles let go of his club and stood there, amazed. Athena saw him and said, 'O Herakles, don't be so surprised! This thing that has brought about your confusion is Aporia (Contentiousness) and Eris (Strife). If you just leave it alone, it stays small; but if you decide to fight it, then it swells from its small size and grows large." - Aesop, Fables 534 (from Chambry 129)
Eris was not limited to strife on the battlefield though, the strife which inflicts married life is also mentioned. "One day they [Polytekhnos and Aedon of Kolophon in Lydia] blurted out the needless remark that they loved each other more than did Hera and Zeus. Hera found what was said to be insupportable and sent Eris (Discord) between them to create strife in their activities."- Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 11
The story of the Golden Apple is an interesting one too. "And all the race of gods hasted to do honour to the white-armed bride [Thetis at her wedding to Peleus] ... But Eris (Strife) [alone] did Kheiron [who sent out the invitations] leave unhonoured: Kheiron did not regard her and Peleus heeded her not ..." so Eris "she bethought her of the golden apples of the Hesperides. Thence Eris took the fruit that should be the harbinger of war, even the apple, and devised the scheme of signal woes. Whirling her arm she hurled into the banquet the primal seed of turmoil and disturbed the choir of goddesses." I think we all know the story from there on in (taken from Colluthus, The Rape of Helen 38)
Eris also appears in some other Greek tales, sometimes under the name of Enyo, whom Homer ranked as equal to Athena in martial prowess "[The] goddesses, who range in order the ranks of men in fighting, [are] Athene and Enyo, sacker of cities." - Homer, Iliad 5.333
She makes many minor appearances in the Theban cycle of poetry, in particular the Thebiad, which tells of the fraticidal violence which eventually led to the epic battle as told by Aeschylus between Eteocles and the army of Thebes and Polynices and his supporters, traditional Theban enemies:
"Fit sentinels hold watch there [the Thracian palace of Mars-Ares]: from the outer gate wild Impetus (Passion) leaps, and blind Nefas (Mishief) and Irae (Angers) flushing red and pallid Metus (Fear), and Insidia (Treachery) lurks with hidden sword, and Discordia (Discord) [Eris] holding a two-edged blade. Minis (Threatenings) innumerable make clamour in the court, sullen Virtus (Valour) stands in the midst, and Furor (Rage) exultant and armed Mors (Death) with blood-stained visage are seated there; no blood but that of wars is on the altars, no fire but snatched from burning cities." - Statius, Thebaid 7.64
She is also mentioned in Valerius Flaccus' Argonautica, which is a pretty inferior rewriting of Apollonius of Rhodes' version of the tale: "Through the terror-stricken air again and again she [Aphrodite leading the Lemnian women to slaughter their unfaithful husbands] makes a strange cry ring ,Ķ Straightway Pavor (Fear) [Deimos] and insensate Discordia (Strife) [Eris] from her Getic lair, dark-browed Ira (Anger) with pale cheeks, Dolus (Treachery), Rabies (Frenzy) [Lyssa] and towering above the rest Letus (Death) [Ker], her cruel hands bared, come hastening up at the first sound of the Martian consort,Äôs pealing voice that gave the signal." - Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 2.200
Eris was also the escort of the dread Demon/Dragon Typhoeus, who Zeus battled deep in the Abyss, though she took no part in the battle itself.
Another important role is in the fascinating Dionysiaca text. Eris appeared in the form of the Goddess Rheia, exhorting him to make battle with the Indian King Deriades, who she later sides with, along with the usual crew of Ares and Fear and Terror.
However, Hesiod mentions there are two Eris', or at least two aspects to her:
"It was never true that there was only one Eris. There have always been two on earth. There is one you could like when you understand her. The other is hateful. The two Erites have separate natures. There is one Eris who builds up evil war, and slaughter. She is harsh; no man loves her, but under compulsion and by will of the immortals, men promote this rough Eris (Strife). But the other one was born the elder daughter of black Nyx. The son of Kronos, who sits on high and dwells in the bright air set her in the roots of the earth and among men; she is far kinder. She pushes the shiftless man to work, for all his laziness. A man looks at his neighbour, who is rich: then he too wants work; for the rich man presses on with his ploughing and planting and ordering of his estate. So the neighbour envies the neighbour who presses on toward wealth. Such Eris (Strife) is a good friend to mortals." - Hesiod, Works and Days 11
Next part: Enyo, Bellona and the Eastern Connection.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e168/ZLB/9-17-2006-14.jpg)
Enyo, from the pergammon freeze. Shes the one in the center, beating the crap out of the monster guy. Too bad the freeze is in such bad shape.
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AM
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
Sounds like sheep in the making. Anything worth doing right is going to be hard.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AM
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
Sounds like sheep in the making. Anything worth doing right is going to be hard.
Not sure, but I don't think anyone has ever called Silly a sheep. And survived to tell about it.
Well, if Silly was a sheep, he'd certianly be more willing to go fuck himself.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AM
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
Sounds like sheep in the making. Anything worth doing right is going to be hard.
Can this be true? Someone who doesn't get sarcasm?
:evil: Fuck me, you're gonna be fun :evil:
Well, if he is a sheep, at least he can craft a snappy web-cast. You should check out the Baby Jesus shows. You don't see too many sheep coming up with that sort of thing.
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on May 24, 2007, 04:09:06 PM
Well, if he is a sheep, at least he can craft a snappy web-cast. You should check out the Baby Jesus shows. You don't see too many sheep coming up with that sort of thing.
Actually I should confess I stole the whole idea from one of payne's four legged wooly girlfriends
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AM
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
Sounds like sheep in the making. Anything worth doing right is going to be hard.
Can this be true? Someone who doesn't get sarcasm?
:evil: Fuck me, you're gonna be fun :evil:
I get sarcasm, I give sarcasm. I try to be fun for those in my perceptive reality. If you don't like it or if thats not enough for you... then simply cease to be.
Thank you god!
Step up to the plate noob, let's see what you got :lulz:
Cybin,
It's been way too quiet here lately :banana:
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 09:31:25 PM
Thank you god!
Step up to the plate noob, let's see what you got :lulz:
Cybin,
It's been way too quiet here lately :banana:
I would ask that you not be hostile as I tend to equate hostility with small mindedness, neither of which will I suffer to exist in my environment. If you wish to discuss something by all means discuss away, if your just gonna start a bunch of penis waving and name calling you would do better to kill yourself. Please don't take that as a threat or even a negativity it is simply the way I look at things. As for stepping up to the plate, I'm there waiting patiently for the pitch...
FUCK OFF YOU TWAT!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
This is gunna be a hoot!
50 post rule?
...
Ah, fuck it.
Quote
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger... except polio.
I fucking hate this signature. My father had polio, and I don't find it amusing one bit.
Dosen't apply in personal squabbles.
Or ever.
Please to note my edited post. :mad:
I've never seen you really light into somebody.
It's about time.
We'll see as soon as this twat responds.
Because let's just say that the Sith Lord squabbles you and I have...they don't count.
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 09:39:50 PM
50 post rule?
...
Ah, fuck it.
Quote
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger... except polio.
I fucking hate this signature. My father had polio, and I don't find it amusing one bit.
Well obviously I chose that signature because I am intimatley familiar with all aspects of your life and wanted to piss you off. Or maybe, just maybe it was something witty that someone said once that I thought needed repeating. :argh!: you are so human
:popcorn:
This oughtta be good ...
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 09:54:00 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 09:39:50 PM
50 post rule?
...
Ah, fuck it.
Quote
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger... except polio.
I fucking hate this signature. My father had polio, and I don't find it amusing one bit.
Well obviously I chose that signature because I am intimatley familiar with all aspects of your life and wanted to piss you off. Or maybe, just maybe it was something witty that someone said once that I thought needed repeating. :argh!: you are so human
Or maybe you need to learn to think before you act and try to be funny.
Oh, and please to advise that you check out my friend Webster and his dictionary, and maybe a remedial grammatical course to brush up on your skills before posting here.
And...who's alt are you?
what is an alt? I am me and thats all I can be. This is a public forum not a spelling and grammer test. And since I exist in my reality and no other I get to dictate that which I choose to interact with. Enjoy flaming at me as you cannot really effect me one way or the other.
Hehehe your human is showing.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:01:34 PM
what is an alt? I am me and thats all I can be. This is a public forum not a spelling and grammer test. And since I exist in my reality and no other I get to dictate that which I choose to interact with. Enjoy flaming at me as you cannot really effect me one way or the other.
Hehehe your human is showing.
WHAT THE FUCK THIS THIS SHIT?!
My human is showing?! Holy shit...wtf are you? Primate? Get the FUCK off this board. You're reality obviously doesn't work well with ours.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:01:34 PM
This is a public forum not a spelling and grammer test.
GREETINGS FUCKHEAD! GUESS WHAT ... WE ARE THE FUCKING PUBLIC!
ENJOY YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS NOW YOU LAME BRAINED PIECE OF SHIT.
I HEREBY INVOKE MY GOD GIVEN PREROGATIVE TO CALL YOU ALL THE ASSHOLES OF THE DAY.
NOW PLS TO BE GETTING THE FUCK OUT OF MY SIGHT BEFORE I DO WHAT I'M ENTITLED TO SOME MORE.
"I'm just an image. I'm just a sound. I'm just a myth. I'm not around. Can't really do it yourself, so you found another way to be heard. And even if I were to change, do think I'd really it would be more like you? I've got better things to do than listen to you cry.
It's pretty easy to blame me when all you do is fail."
" -Combichrist
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:01:34 PM
what is an alt? I am me and thats all I can be. This is a public forum not a spelling and grammer test. And since I exist in my reality and no other I get to dictate that which I choose to interact with. Enjoy flaming at me as you cannot really effect me one way or the other.
Hehehe your human is showing.
Everybody hates you.
This shit will fuck you up.
You will enjoy the abuse.
In here, we're all anemic.
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Holy shit...wtf are you?
Obviously a superior being. Just out of curiosity what do you have against me. Is it because I don't see things your way (how very christian of you). Is it because I won't bow down to your self imposed superiority (you don't know me how can you claim to be superior). Or maybe your just frustrated because some one new broke into your private little delusion and scuffed your shoes. In any case you embody the very things that discordianism was founded to eradicate: small-minded, controling, idiots that can't stand the thought that someone else might have something important to say and will steal the attention from you. Either that or your british.
Quote from: saint aini on May 24, 2007, 10:13:59 PM
Everybody hates you.
That is a blatant lie. there are several people that like me. Now had you said everyone here hates you that would have had at least a chance of being true. but no your wrong not everyone hates me
QuoteSleep is for those with to much time.
is suppose to be
QuoteSleep is for those with too much time.
:D
your welcome
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
I will fistfuck your brain until I'm smiling again.
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 24, 2007, 10:23:54 PM
QuoteSleep is for those with to much time.
is suppose to be
QuoteSleep is for those with too much time.
:D
your welcome
Fixed thanks
Quote from: saint aini on May 24, 2007, 10:25:56 PM
I will fistfuck your brain until I'm smiling again.
you are welcome to try, but like i said earlier if you want to discuss then discuss if you want to abuse... go kill yourself
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Holy shit...wtf are you?
Obviously a superior being. Just out of curiosity what do you have against me. Is it because I don't see things your way (how very christian of you). Is it because I won't bow down to your self imposed superiority (you don't know me how can you claim to be superior). Or maybe your just frustrated because some one new broke into your private little delusion and scuffed your shoes. In any case you embody the very things that discordianism was founded to eradicate: small-minded, controling, idiots that can't stand the thought that someone else might have something important to say and will steal the attention from you. Either that or your british.
Ooh nooos the poor little troll is running out of steam - what a shame
word of advice fucko - I aint a troll, I'm just a plain old mean cunt but a lot of the the guys in this place are and fucking good ones at that.
Now give up while you still got a couple of faces worth saving.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:27:40 PM
Quote from: saint aini on May 24, 2007, 10:25:56 PM
I will fistfuck your brain until I'm smiling again.
you are welcome to try, but like i said earlier if you want to discuss then discuss if you want to abuse... go kill yourself
It shall be my pleasure to abuse you. My sweet dreams are made of that.
No, we shall have none of this an hero... It's much easier to abuse you when I am not dead.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Holy shit...wtf are you?
Obviously a superior being. Just out of curiosity what do you have against me. Is it because I don't see things your way (how very christian of you). Is it because I won't bow down to your self imposed superiority (you don't know me how can you claim to be superior). Or maybe your just frustrated because some one new broke into your private little delusion and scuffed your shoes. In any case you embody the very things that discordianism was founded to eradicate: small-minded, controling, idiots that can't stand the thought that someone else might have something important to say and will steal the attention from you. Either that or your british.
1: I am superior. Shoving will protect you.
2. Usually we embrace noobs here...but only when they have something meaningful to say and aren't self-righteous and like to pick fights.
3: Welcome to advanced Discordianism. We're like end-stage cancer. Cynical and ruthless.
4: I'm not British, but a good portion of our regulars are.
5: Cabbages.
Suu: A thought.
You shouldn't be so offended by a polio joke. Polio isn't off limits just because someone you know had it. All of us have been affect by cancer, rape, murder, car accidents, diseases, the government, on , and on.
It shouldn't be off limits just because it happened to you.
You called Tom Brady a faggot. Do you hate gays?
It's all OK, or none of it's OK. Think about it.
Mike: You are superior to noone. Noone is threatened by you, and noone is impressed by you. That "human" shit is ridiculous. You will not "enlighten" anyone here. You are another in a long line of waste that trickled into this shitty corner of the web. If you think otherwise, you may as well leave.
I am a bitch.
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
How do you want me?
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:32:35 PM
Suu: A thought.
You shouldn't be so offended by a polio joke. Polio isn't off limits just because someone you know had it. All of us have been affect by cancer, rape, murder, car accidents, diseases, the government, on , and on.
It shouldn't be off limits just because it happened to you.
You called Tom Brady a faggot. Do you hate gays?
It's all OK, or none of it's OK. Think about it.
Mike: You are superior to noone. Noone is threatened by you, and noone is impressed by you. That "human" shit is ridiculous. You will not "enlighten" anyone here. You are another in a long line of waste that trickled into this shitty corner of the web. If you think otherwise, you may as well leave.
You're fucking adorable as a mediator. Hunter. More or less, I just needed an excuse to lay into the wanker. And it worked. :lulz: Words appreciate tho, bro.
...And Tom Brady is still a damn bundle of sticks, and Darth Maul is hawt. Next topic, please.
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Troof..... So much Troof....
Why've we had this influx of "shepards" recently?
Do we look like we need to be saved?
Couldn't that effort be better applied in the Grayworld?
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.msg358872#msg358872
And you're persisting in acting like a jackass to probably only some of the few people who would probably listen and change their actions if you were to try and explain your problem, sensibly. But hey, don't let that stop you. Piss on people over here, rather than at Christianforums. I'll be in the corner, laughing at you.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Troof..... So much Troof....
Why've we had this influx of "shepards" recently?
Do we look like we need to be saved?
Couldn't that effort be better applied in the Grayworld?
From behind or on my knees?
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Troof..... So much Troof....
Why've we had this influx of "shepards" recently?
Do we look like we need to be saved?
Couldn't that effort be better applied in the Grayworld?
We shall not want?
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
At the risk of repeating myself ...
FUCK OFF YOU TWAT!
I am a slut. Please hold me down.
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:35:32 PM
You're fucking adorable as a mediator. Hunter. More or less, I just needed an excuse to lay into the wanker. And it worked. :lulz: Words appreciate tho, bro.
...And Tom Brady is still a damn bundle of sticks, and Darth Maul is hawt. Next topic, please.
I'm glad you brought it out early.
True colors of self-importance shined quickly.
NT: Better princess: Leia or Padme.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:32:35 PM
Suu: A thought.
You shouldn't be so offended by a polio joke. Polio isn't off limits just because someone you know had it. All of us have been affect by cancer, rape, murder, car accidents, diseases, the government, on , and on.
It shouldn't be off limits just because it happened to you.
You called Tom Brady a faggot. Do you hate gays?
It's all OK, or none of it's OK. Think about it.
Mike: You are superior to noone. Noone is threatened by you, and noone is impressed by you. That "human" shit is ridiculous. You will not "enlighten" anyone here. You are another in a long line of waste that trickled into this shitty corner of the web. If you think otherwise, you may as well leave.
I came to this forum thinking, hoping maybe for once I would find a group of like minded people and once again I am shown the error of my ways. I did not intend to threaten and only pointed out my superiority after others on this site showed their inferiority (name calling, closed mindedness, general assholishness). As for the "human" thing I firmly believe that humans are the root cause of all that is bad in universe. I do not pretend to be something other than human but that doesn't mean I have to embrace everything about the species that I detest. I have no plans to try to enlighten anyone save myself and if that offends or upsets anyone so be it. I will not be run off tho just because a few can't see past the end of their noses.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:39:33 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:35:32 PM
You're fucking adorable as a mediator. Hunter. More or less, I just needed an excuse to lay into the wanker. And it worked. :lulz: Words appreciate tho, bro.
...And Tom Brady is still a damn bundle of sticks, and Darth Maul is hawt. Next topic, please.
I'm glad you brought it out early.
True colors of self-importance shined quickly.
NT: Better princess: Leia or Padme.
Padme dressed better but Leia was more bad-ass. Agree?
I'll be your noise.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:40:11 PM
I came to this forum thinking, hoping maybe for once I would find a group of like minded people and once again I am shown the error of my ways.
There's a lesson there if you were to just dig deep enuff :lulz:
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Troof..... So much Troof....
Why've we had this influx of "shepards" recently?
Do we look like we need to be saved?
Couldn't that effort be better applied in the Grayworld?
its nothing new
to attract one good freak you have to go through quite a few of the bad freaks, or the ones that think they're freaky
This shit will fuck you up!
Agreed... except for gold bikini...
Mike: :cry: What's like-minded?
T.I.- True.... almost 2000 member, only 200 really good ones.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:40:11 PM
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:32:35 PM
Suu: A thought.
You shouldn't be so offended by a polio joke. Polio isn't off limits just because someone you know had it. All of us have been affect by cancer, rape, murder, car accidents, diseases, the government, on , and on.
It shouldn't be off limits just because it happened to you.
You called Tom Brady a faggot. Do you hate gays?
It's all OK, or none of it's OK. Think about it.
Mike: You are superior to noone. Noone is threatened by you, and noone is impressed by you. That "human" shit is ridiculous. You will not "enlighten" anyone here. You are another in a long line of waste that trickled into this shitty corner of the web. If you think otherwise, you may as well leave.
I came to this forum thinking, hoping maybe for once I would find a group of like minded people and once again I am shown the error of my ways. I did not intend to threaten and only pointed out my superiority after others on this site showed their inferiority (name calling, closed mindedness, general assholishness). As for the "human" thing I firmly believe that humans are the root cause of all that is bad in universe. I do not pretend to be something other than human but that doesn't mean I have to embrace everything about the species that I detest. I have no plans to try to enlighten anyone save myself and if that offends or upsets anyone so be it. I will not be run off tho just because a few can't see past the end of their noses.
You took the wrong approach, then. Sure, we may be like-minded, but you gave us a bad impression in the start, therefore, ruined.
And if you seriously don't like being apart of the human race, check out Scientology, not Discordianism.
Its not that, its just he screwed up and instead of recognizing Silly was messing around or apologizing, he decided to go on the offensive.
Oh, and talk about unwarranted self-importance. I mean, shit, if you're going to have an ego, fine, but have something to show for it. If I made as much of my greatness as this guy, we may as well turn the site into a shrine to me.
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:36:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.msg358872#msg358872
And you're persisting in acting like a jackass to probably only some of the few people who would probably listen and change their actions if you were to try and explain your problem, sensibly. But hey, don't let that stop you. Piss on people over here, rather than at Christianforums. I'll be in the corner, laughing at you.
Ok point made I should not have made that comment about sheep without looking further at the matter. But in my defense has anyone asked why I think the way I do or have they jumped on me like flies on rotted meat. I avoid christians at all cost they make my hurt people instinct act up. So if a little bowing to authority is needed so be... Rewind...
Hello my name in Fuzzymike and I would like to hear some other peoples opinions on discordianism etc. Please don't hate me for being different (just like fucking high school)
And if you seriously think people are evil, go become an hero.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:36:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.msg358872#msg358872
And you're persisting in acting like a jackass to probably only some of the few people who would probably listen and change their actions if you were to try and explain your problem, sensibly. But hey, don't let that stop you. Piss on people over here, rather than at Christianforums. I'll be in the corner, laughing at you.
Ok point made I should not have made that comment about sheep without looking further at the matter. But in my defense has anyone asked why I think the way I do or have they jumped on me like flies on rotted meat. I avoid christians at all cost they make my hurt people instinct act up. So if a little bowing to authority is needed so be... Rewind...
Hello my name in Fuzzymike and I would like to hear some other peoples opinions on discordianism etc. Please don't hate me for being different (just like fucking high school)
See, that was much better.
I would answer your questions, but I'm high on coke and plotting (not a good mix). I suggest checking out Or Kill Me and the BIP forums for the best stuff.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:36:33 PM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
:lulz:
And this is why Discordianism is a failure. Because people like "Fuzzymike" are too interested in finding faults with other Discordians and acting self-righteous instead of pulling that shit on the Cabbages.
Too funny.
Kindly show me where I was pointing out fault in any one before being flamed. And for the record I treat everyone this way Discordian or cabbage.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9811.msg358872#msg358872
And you're persisting in acting like a jackass to probably only some of the few people who would probably listen and change their actions if you were to try and explain your problem, sensibly. But hey, don't let that stop you. Piss on people over here, rather than at Christianforums. I'll be in the corner, laughing at you.
Ok point made I should not have made that comment about sheep without looking further at the matter. But in my defense has anyone asked why I think the way I do or have they jumped on me like flies on rotted meat. I avoid christians at all cost they make my hurt people instinct act up. So if a little bowing to authority is needed so be... Rewind...
Hello my name in Fuzzymike and I would like to hear some other peoples opinions on discordianism etc. Please don't hate me for being different (just like fucking high school)
You do what to sheep?
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:40:11 PM
As for the "human" thing I firmly believe that humans are the root cause of all that is bad in universe. I do not pretend to be something other than human but that doesn't mean I have to embrace everything about the species that I detest.
don't worry
PD.com has been doing it for the dolphins since the beginning of this year
If you can't take a joke though, don't bother trying here.
If you want a place full of "discordians", don't bother trying here.
Quote from: hunter s.durden on May 24, 2007, 10:51:42 PM
If you can't take a joke though, don't bother trying here.
If you want a place full of "discordians", don't bother trying here.
Penis goes where?
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
Its not that, its just he screwed up and instead of recognizing Silly was messing around or apologizing, he decided to go on the offensive.
Oh, and talk about unwarranted self-importance. I mean, shit, if you're going to have an ego, fine, but have something to show for it. If I made as much of my greatness as this guy, we may as well turn the site into a shrine to me.
You mean it's not a shrine to yuo?
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
Its not that, its just he screwed up and instead of recognizing Silly was messing around or apologizing, he decided to go on the offensive.
Oh, and talk about unwarranted self-importance. I mean, shit, if you're going to have an ego, fine, but have something to show for it. If I made as much of my greatness as this guy, we may as well turn the site into a shrine to me.
You mean it's not a shrine to yuo?
Since it's not a shrine to Cain, it must now be declared and reappropriated to be a shrine to Suu.
Fuck yeah, I win.
Shrine to Giggles.
Suu is Sith-impared.
AINI YUOR HUGE FONT IS FILLING ME WITH FEELINGS OF INADEQUACY
PLS TO CEASE AND DESIST :oops:
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 10:56:54 PM
AINI YUOR HUGE FONT IS FILLING ME WITH FEELINGS OF INADEQUACY
PLS TO CEASE AND DESIST :oops:
What huge font?
I don't see no stinking huge font.
Well at the risk of pissing off still more people, I think I just may look back tomarrow and see what kind of shit got stirred in my wake. However I do not think I will post anymore for a while (cheers from the peanut gallery I'm sure). As a final thought maybe you (meaning those who decided it was more entertaining/educational to run someone off then learn something from them (not to say I have something to teach but hey even a cabbage occasionaly has something enlightening to say even if by accident)) should try getting to know who you are talking to before you drive them away. You never know who might turn out to have the next "Big Idea".
Farewell for now...... fucking humans
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
Its not that, its just he screwed up and instead of recognizing Silly was messing around or apologizing, he decided to go on the offensive.
Oh, and talk about unwarranted self-importance. I mean, shit, if you're going to have an ego, fine, but have something to show for it. If I made as much of my greatness as this guy, we may as well turn the site into a shrine to me.
You mean it's not a shrine to yuo?
I haven't even flagrantly abused my powers once yet. Except for that thing with the smilie, that only one person has noticed anyway....
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:58:32 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 24, 2007, 10:47:38 PM
Its not that, its just he screwed up and instead of recognizing Silly was messing around or apologizing, he decided to go on the offensive.
Oh, and talk about unwarranted self-importance. I mean, shit, if you're going to have an ego, fine, but have something to show for it. If I made as much of my greatness as this guy, we may as well turn the site into a shrine to me.
You mean it's not a shrine to yuo?
I haven't even flagrantly abused my powers once yet. Except for that thing with the smilie, that only one person has noticed anyway....
*fucks your leg and leaves work*
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
Well at the risk of pissing off still more people, I think I just may look back tomarrow and see what kind of shit got stirred in my wake. However I do not think I will post anymore for a while (cheers from the peanut gallery I'm sure). As a final thought maybe you (meaning those who decided it was more entertaining/educational to run someone off then learn something from them (not to say I have something to teach but hey even a cabbage occasionaly has something enlightening to say even if by accident)) should try getting to know who you are talking to before you drive them away. You never know who might turn out to have the next "Big Idea".
Farewell for now...... fucking humans
Totale Luftherrschaft!
OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111ONE
PLEASE COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ONE2
WE HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE THE NEXT BIG THING1111111111115
TEACH US THE FORCE123456789
Looks what you did Silly!
Now I have to stay human because you pissed off our savior.
P.S. That was sarcasm. Blow off, Dipshit.
Saved from salvation once again!
Fuck it, I'm staying for another half hour. You all lurve me too much.
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 11:03:46 PM
Fuck it, I'm staying for another half hour. You all lurve me too much.
Yes and no.
I love you much, dearheart, but I'm kind of hungry.
I'm drunk and going to bed to sleep it off.
Fuck yuo all! :lulz:
NOW I'M PISSED OFF
because I left work at page 10, right after That One Guy passed around popcorn. (TOG man, you beat me to that exact post by about 15 seconds.) And I missed out on this shit?
Okay so Suu put on a TGGR hat
and fuzzymike actually had a spine and bit back
then HUNTER (of all people!) was calm and understanding
throughout it all Aini keeps pushing bondage buttons, adding sex to the violence and violence to the sex
and I guess Cain's posting in altered states? to me, that's a surprise
and then WTF I'm still stuck on Hunter playing the nice understanding guy, even if he did it in his own whiskey-hard way
AND A GOOD THREAD WAS HAD BY ALL
part of the problem is that my commute took abnormally long and I kept drinking on the train. So now I'm home and drunk and pissed off that I wasn't sitting here clicking REFRESH and mspaint moustaching as this unfolded
anyway fuzzymike I hope you come back. Your ability to defend yourself proves you're better than most, and your ability to surrender proves you're better than AKK.
LAWL
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 25, 2007, 12:26:10 AM
anyway fuzzymike I hope you come back. Your ability to defend yourself proves you're better than most, and your ability to surrender proves you're better than AKK.
Slow down.
He left on a somewhat presumptious note.
However...
I think it will be interesting when he gets to explaining why he's so much better than a human like me.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on May 24, 2007, 03:50:15 PM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 03:45:46 PM
Quote from: SillyCybin on February 06, 2007, 07:31:56 AM
Aaaargh! How can I compete with people who have access to those kind of tactics? For the record I shall be most just agreeing with everything you say from now on :-(
Sounds like sheep in the making. Anything worth doing right is going to be hard.
Can this be true? Someone who doesn't get sarcasm?
:evil: Fuck me, you're gonna be fun :evil:
I get sarcasm, I give sarcasm. I try to be fun for those in my perceptive reality. If you don't like it or if thats not enough for you... then simply cease to be.
Jesus fucking Christ.
TGRR,
Will kill a motherfucker.
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
should try getting to know who you are talking to before you drive them away. You never know who might turn out to have the next "Big Idea".
I'm pretty certain it won't be you.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 25, 2007, 12:26:10 AM
NOW I'M PISSED OFF
because I left work at page 10, right after That One Guy passed around popcorn. (TOG man, you beat me to that exact post by about 15 seconds.) And I missed out on this shit?
Okay so Suu put on a TGGR hat
and fuzzymike actually had a spine and bit back
then HUNTER (of all people!) was calm and understanding
throughout it all Aini keeps pushing bondage buttons, adding sex to the violence and violence to the sex
and I guess Cain's posting in altered states? to me, that's a surprise
and then WTF I'm still stuck on Hunter playing the nice understanding guy, even if he did it in his own whiskey-hard way
AND A GOOD THREAD WAS HAD BY ALL
part of the problem is that my commute took abnormally long and I kept drinking on the train. So now I'm home and drunk and pissed off that I wasn't sitting here clicking REFRESH and mspaint moustaching as this unfolded
anyway fuzzymike I hope you come back. Your ability to defend yourself proves you're better than most, and your ability to surrender proves you're better than AKK.
LAWL
Yeah, adding sex to the violence and violence to the sex ever since early 2005
Fuck. Another one?
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
Well at the risk of pissing off still more people, I think I just may look back tomarrow and see what kind of shit got stirred in my wake. However I do not think I will post anymore for a while (cheers from the peanut gallery I'm sure). As a final thought maybe you (meaning those who decided it was more entertaining/educational to run someone off then learn something from them (not to say I have something to teach but hey even a cabbage occasionaly has something enlightening to say even if by accident)) should try getting to know who you are talking to before you drive them away. You never know who might turn out to have the next "Big Idea".
Farewell for now...... fucking humans
:cry: <---- me crying
oh well maybe one day we will be worthy of your attention
Quote from: Thurnez Isa on May 25, 2007, 05:12:04 AM
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
Well at the risk of pissing off still more people, I think I just may look back tomarrow and see what kind of shit got stirred in my wake. However I do not think I will post anymore for a while (cheers from the peanut gallery I'm sure). As a final thought maybe you (meaning those who decided it was more entertaining/educational to run someone off then learn something from them (not to say I have something to teach but hey even a cabbage occasionaly has something enlightening to say even if by accident)) should try getting to know who you are talking to before you drive them away. You never know who might turn out to have the next "Big Idea".
Farewell for now...... fucking humans
:cry: <---- me crying
oh well maybe one day we will be worthy of your attention
They just don't make 'em like they used to.
I hate you all, I hope you shit burning hotdogs.
Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 05:20:42 AM
I hate you all, I hope you shit burning hotdogs.
Perfect.
...acid burn or flame burn. And yes, there is a difference.
Fuzzymikey, chill...you poked the bear with a stick--of course he went for your jugular and didn't unlatch. You're in PD.com now, Dorothy--so quit buttfucking your Toto, read up on what this place is about, and THEN jump in waving your dick around.
/helpful bitchy person
I'm having a headrush, and I swear if I find out it's this thread's fault...
...There is no witchcraft anywhere...
:lulz:
Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 05:40:33 AM
I'm having a headrush, and I swear if I find out it's this thread's fault...
DROP THE BUTTHASH!
Fuck no there isn't. You people did this by pissing me off. :x
Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 05:49:49 AM
Fuck no there isn't. You people did this by pissing me off. :x
No, that's just anoxia, ya fucking beanpole.
TGRR,
Saw the pics.
Fuck it, I'll be a fat fuck in thirty years anyway. :lulz:
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:47:44 PM
Ok point made I should not have made that comment about sheep without looking further at the matter. But in my defense has anyone asked why I think the way I do or have they jumped on me like flies on rotted meat. I avoid christians at all cost they make my hurt people instinct act up. So if a little bowing to authority is needed so be... Rewind...
Hello my name in Fuzzymike and I would like to hear some other peoples opinions on discordianism etc. Please don't hate me for being different (just like fucking high school)
Fuzzy, you said you were looking for like-minded people.
What kind of people is that?
For the record, almost no one here is like minded to anyone else, except for a few common points:
1. We try to think for ourselves.
2. While almost all of us are pretentious, overly-intellectual assbags, we don't let anyone automatically get away with it until they add some decent content to the boards.
3. We dig abusing each other.
4. We have a severe case of gallows humor.
5. We don't really go for the "Pineal gland/23/Fnord/Hail Eris" stuff from the Principia. We prefer the underlying messages.
So, if you care, the solution is simple: post a rant that inspires, come up with an insight into the nature of our existence we haven't heard of yet, or be a tad more polite to the people on this board until you figure out how it works.
Or, you could just be an assbag, and have all your posts trashed by us "Humans".
Quote from: Fuzzymike on May 24, 2007, 10:19:18 PM
Quote from: Kaou Suu on May 24, 2007, 10:05:15 PM
Holy shit...wtf are you?
Obviously a superior being. Just out of curiosity what do you have against me. Is it because I don't see things your way (how very christian of you). Is it because I won't bow down to your self imposed superiority (you don't know me how can you claim to be superior). Or maybe your just frustrated because some one new broke into your private little delusion and scuffed your shoes. In any case you embody the very things that discordianism was founded to eradicate: small-minded, controling, idiots that can't stand the thought that someone else might have something important to say and will steal the attention from you. Either that or your british.
:potd:
Wow, looks like I missed all the good stuff too. Oh well. It's almost like their working in shifts now. It's strange, mr fuzzymike shows civility in one thread and gets a little pissy in another. I have nothing more to add really, but fuzzymike should be aware that Black sheep are still sheep. Good day.
Quote from: LMNO on May 25, 2007, 01:15:14 PM
Fuzzy, you said you were looking for like-minded people.
What kind of people is that?
FurryMike has declined to comment.
He will not be providing the enlightenment recipe.
We were bad "humans".
Good luck saving this one.
Yeah, I always show up too late to try & start a dialog.
I blame you asshats who post when I'm not around.
Cut that shit out, seriously.
I tried to be reasonable (for me).
He was having none of it.
Dude, poor Hunter was more reasonable than was probably physically possible for him.
Quote from: LMNO on May 25, 2007, 03:50:38 PM
Yeah, I always show up too late to try & start a dialog.
I blame you asshats who post when I'm not around.
Cut that shit out, seriously.
For once, I wasn't involved. The most I could do was shout insults after he left. :(
I just like slinging amusing imprecations.
LMNO's got this one pegged though, we really are a bunch of assbags (and everything else he said that was rational and perceptive)
Quote from: Felix on May 25, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
I just like slinging amusing imprecations.
LMNO's got this one pegged though, we really are a bunch of assbags (and everything else he said that was rational and perceptive)
FINEFUCKYOUIMLEAVINGYOUSTUPIDHUMANS! UNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG!
TGRR,
Just poomped in his pance.
He was on earlier, read this thread, and fucked off again.
Don't know what that means, if anything, but I suspect foulplay from some shadowy organisation.
Quote from: Payne on May 25, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
He was on earlier, read this thread, and fucked off again.
Don't know what that means, if anything, but I suspect foulplay from some shadowy organisation.
Or it means he didn't see us all wailing for his triumphant return.
Hey, if the dude had hung around and posted in other places than where he could flip people off and flounce, then I'd say, "Sure, what a bunch of assholes!" But no, he didn't. He just fought and then left...but if he lurked and read, he'd know that jumping on Silly like that and then not backing down was a stupid move.
Do you think this (http://www.travelblog.org/Bloggers/fuzzymike/)is him?
same guy here (http://www.arveeclub.com/showthread.php?t=54434).
also, this (http://www.asexuality.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=105675&sid=0e46de5bb3bd33502dab623e3a22f110)
http://myspace.com/fuzzymike33
Also, two of those three URLs are ones that Cain flagged up last night. Weird, you are sharing a neural net!
you mean... we both googled his name? :p
anyway, I don't think this guy hasn't actually done anything to merit a HIMEOBS strike or anything. Just wanted to throw those links out there.
Quote from: Professor Cramulus on May 25, 2007, 10:01:55 PM
you mean... we both googled his name? :p
Yeah. That too.......
:tinfoilhat:
stalkers
:lulz:
WTF is up with this Ugly Old Woman Cabal?
:lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 25, 2007, 11:07:22 PM
:lulz:
WTF is up with this Ugly Old Woman Cabal?
:lulz:
Well, thats a looong story sonny! Set yourself down, and I'll tell you alllll about it...
Briefly, it came from a TTM pic posted in the Pics thread, Cramulus said we should change our avatars and make a new cabal called ugly old women.
Due to the mind rays, we did.
It's IRCs fault!!! Honest!!!
Quote from: Payne on May 25, 2007, 11:11:03 PM
It's IRCs fault!!! Honest!!!
I think we're going to be hearing that alot
:lulz:
Eris is alive on Earth and is a teenage girl.-- not too far from the first eristic vision in Whittier
~s~.
Quote from: cymra37 on June 24, 2007, 09:01:03 PM
Eris is alive on Earth and is a teenage girl.-- not too far from the first eristic vision in Whittier
~s~.
Aw, fer Chrissakes. Here we go again.
yaay! a 23fnord-n00b!
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
well it's a change from the <stupid idea><that's stupid><fuck you bunch of elitist/racist/cultists/etc>-n00bs
whatever happened to that forum for 23fnord?
Quote from: keeper entropic on June 24, 2007, 09:06:26 PM
whatever happened to that forum for 23fnord?
It's attached to Principia Discussion now.
it's also invisible to normal users.
but that's fine with me actually.
Quote from: triple zero on June 24, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
yaay! a 23fnord-n00b!
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
well it's a change from the <stupid idea><that's stupid><fuck you bunch of elitist/racist/cultists/etc>-n00bs
Actually, I predict this is an "I am Eris" or "I know Eris" claim, ala Eric's "I am Joshua Norton II" or Mal^3's "I am Malaclypse" claim.
Unoriginal crap ITT.
Quote from: triple zero on June 24, 2007, 09:08:22 PM
it's also invisible to normal users.
but that's fine with me actually.
Then what the fuck good is it?
TGRR,
Off to the control room.
Actually, it's been murdered. :cry:
awww 23FNORD .. we hardly knew ya.
the memory of that grand board will live forever in our memories.
it was a place where n00bs ran free
none of that agrarian culture n00b growing
FREE hunted/gathered n00bs, providing enough for EVERYBODY
because, unlike buffalo, n00bs do tend to automatically herd where they are hunted most
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2007, 09:10:02 PM
Quote from: triple zero on June 24, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
yaay! a 23fnord-n00b!
ABOUT FUCKING TIME
well it's a change from the <stupid idea><that's stupid><fuck you bunch of elitist/racist/cultists/etc>-n00bs
Actually, I predict this is an "I am Eris" or "I know Eris" claim, ala Eric's "I am Joshua Norton II" or Mal^3's "I am Malaclypse" claim.
Unoriginal crap ITT.
If I was trying to be self-important, I would have to kick my own ass.
~s~
I would hate to be disrespectful of other people's ideas.
Quote from: cymra37 on June 24, 2007, 09:23:45 PM
I would hate to be disrespectful of other people's ideas.
Then you're gonna have a tough time here. :lulz:
Quote from: keeper entropic on June 24, 2007, 09:31:08 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 24, 2007, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: cymra37 on June 24, 2007, 09:23:45 PM
I would hate to be disrespectful of other people's ideas.
Then you're gonna have a tough time here. :lulz:
:lulz:
I just felt like needlessly quoting something ITT, I don't actually have anything to say.
found a new book so ill add some more references as I find them
Robert Graves - "Greek Myths" volume two
Erisboea - rich in cattle
Ericepaius - feeder upon heather
Erichthonius - wool on the earth
Erigone - child of strife or plentiful offspring
Erinnyes - angry ones
Eriopis - large-eyed or very rich
Eripha - kid
Eriphus - kid
Eriphyle - tribal strife
Eris - strife
If you cant find this volume two then heres A list of translations from The Greek in Penguin Classics
Aeschylus: The Oresteian Trilogy - translated by Phillip Vellacott
The Fables of Aesop - translated by S.A. Handford
Apollonius of Rodes: The Voyage of Argo - translated by E.V. Rieu
Aristotle: Ethics - translated by J.A.K. Thomson
Arrian: The Life of Alexander the Great - translated by Aubrey de Selincourt
Euripides: Alecestis and Other Plays - translated by Philip Vellacott
Euripides: The Bacchae & Other Plays - translated by Phillip Vellacott
Herodotus: The Histories - translated by Aubrey de Selincourt
Four Gospels: Codex Sinaiticus - translated by E.V. Rieu
Homer: The Iliad - translated by E.V. Rieu
Homer: The Odyssey - translated by E.V. Rieu
Longus: Daphnis and Chloe - translated by Paul Turner
Plato: The last days of Socrates - translated by Hugh Tredennick
Plato: Protagoras and Meno - translated by W.K.C. Guthrie
Interesting. Are there any other sources for this? I don't really speak Ancient Greek well...
names list after, was those in the back with their meaning and page number for all entries of Eri, almost included Eros (erotic love) for the fun of it. (still need to read moar and get the goods to quote) about each, the children are curious for me as there is two of them.
106 Seven Against Thebes
e. It happened that Adrastus had formerly quarrelled with Amphilaraus about Argive affairs of state, and the two angry men might have killed each other, but for Adrastus's sister Eriphyle, who was married to Amphiaraus. Snatching her distaff, she flung herself between them, knocked up their swords, and made them swear always to abide by her verdict in any future dispute. Apprised of this oath, Tydeus called Polyneices and said: ' Eriphyle fears that she is losing her looks; now, if you were to offer her the magic necklace which was Aphrodite's wedding gift to your ancestress HARMONIA, Cadmus's wife, she would soon settle the dispute between Amphiaraus and Adrastus by compelling him to come with us.'
f. This was discreetly done, and the expedition set out, led by seven champions: Polyneices, Tydeus and the five Argives.[2]
2. Aeschylus: Seven Against Thebes 375 ff.; Homer: Odyssey xi. 326 ff. and xv. 247; Sophocles: Electra 836 ff. and Fragments of Eriphyle; Hyginus: Fabula 73; Pausanias: v. 17. 7 ff. and ix. 41. 2; Diodorus Siculus: iv. 65. 5 ff; Apollodorus: iii. 6. 203.
Then under 2 it included
QuoteThe mythographers often made play with the syllable eri in a name, pretending that it meant Eris, 'strife', rather than 'plentiful'. Hence the myths of Erichthonius and Erigone. Eriphyle originally meant 'many leaves', rather than 'tribal strife'. Hesiod (Second Gathering at Aulis) says that Zeus wiped out two generations of heroes, the first at Thebes in the war for Oedipus's sheep, the second at Troy in the war by fair-haired Helen. "Oedipus's sheep' is not explained; but Hesiod must be referring to this war between Eteocles (true glory) and Polyneices (much strife), in which Argives supported an unsuccessful candidate for the throne of Thebes.
which I believe is of the author Robert Graves as its setup like commentary
I think I may have found the first known public worshipper of Eris although he may have not known it himself
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/10430/10430-h/10430-h.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/luc/wl1/wl113.htm
QuoteHe attacked the gods of Greece, and the whole system of mythology, when, in its second century, the Christian Church was ready to replace the forms of heathen worship. He laughed at the philosophers, confounding together in one censure deep conviction with shallow convention. His vigorous winnowing sent chaff to the winds, but not without some scattering of wheat. Delight in the power of satire leads always to some excess in its use. But if the power be used honestly—and even if it be used recklessly—no truth can be destroyed. Only the reckless use of it breeds in minds of the feebler sort mere pleasure in ridicule, that weakens them as helpers in the real work of the world, and in that way tends to retard the forward movement. But on the whole, ridicule adds more vigour to the strong than it takes from the weak, and has its use even when levelled against what is good and true. In its own way it is a test of truth, and may be fearlessly applied to it as jewellers use nitric acid to try gold. If it be uttered for gold and is not gold, let it perish; but if it be true, it will stand trial.
QuoteThe works of Lucian consist largely of dialogues, in which he battled against what he considered to be false opinions by bringing the satire of Aristophanes and the sarcasm of Menippus into disputations that sought chiefly to throw down false idols before setting up the true. He made many enemies by bold attacks upon the ancient faiths. His earlier “Dialogues of the Gods” only brought out their stories in a way that made them sound ridiculous. Afterwards he proceeded to direct attack on the belief in them. In one Dialogue Timocles a Stoic argues for belief in the old gods against Damis an Epicurean, and the gods, in order of dignity determined by the worth of the material out of which they are made, assemble to hear the argument. Damis confutes the Stoic, and laughs him into fury. Zeus is unhappy at all this, but Hermes consoles him with the reflection that although the Epicurean may speak for a few, the mass of Greeks, and all the barbarians, remain true to the ancient opinions. Suidas, who detested such teaching, wrote a Life of him, in which he said that Lucian was at last torn to pieces by dogs.
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2006, 01:04:37 AM
Another important role is in the fascinating Dionysiaca text. Eris appeared in the form of the Goddess Rheia, exhorting him to make battle with the Indian King Deriades, who she later sides with, along with the usual crew of Ares and Fear and Terror.
HOLY CRAP! Thanks to whomever bumped this! I started reading the whole thing from page 1.
I've read some of this on Cain's blog, but I've been searching and searching for the link between Eris and Rheia (Rhea, Cybele). It was the alternate spelling that probably tripped me up the most. Now I can start looking for links between Rheia/Rhea/Cybele and Enyo.
Huh, and that wasn't hard at all.
http://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Enyalios.html (http://www.theoi.com/Daimon/Enyalios.html)
Enyalio(Enyalius), a minor war deity, had [Ares and Enyo] OR [Kronos and Rhea] as parents, and originates in Thracian myth. His name comes from his mother's, Enyo.
Enyalius was also said to be a surname of Dionysus. Dionysus was said to have studied the "mystic rites" under Rhea.
That's an interesting connection, identifying Rhea with Enyo.
Ohshit, here's another:
Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible - By K. van der Toorn, Bob Becking, Pieter Willem van der Horst
http://books.google.com/books?id=yCkRz5pfxz0C&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=Rhea+bellona&source=web&ots=aFnwfVo_0q&sig=XmVRMz3YKyAZ-T_izJwvqi8akfU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA215,M1 (http://books.google.com/books?id=yCkRz5pfxz0C&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=Rhea+bellona&source=web&ots=aFnwfVo_0q&sig=XmVRMz3YKyAZ-T_izJwvqi8akfU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result#PPA215,M1)
Page 214 and 215
QuoteII. Cybele or Cybebe is a goddess of the fertile earth originating from Asia Minor, where she was known in the second millennium as Kubaba(LAROCHE 1960). Having made her way into the Greek world, the deity was identified with a number of other 'mother goddesses' such as Rhea, Agdistis, Ma, and Bellona. Her cult had orgiastic traits.
...
III. The connection made between Machpelah and Ma-Cybele is based purely on phonetic similarity. In fact, the construct Ma-Cybele is extremely rare; the conjugation Ma-Bellona is more frequent.
...
:eek: This is exciting, and has confirmed something I've suspected for quite a while. Why?
Well, Rhea/Rheia can be traced to the Scythian Nomadic Tribes (a matriarchal based society) who spread the cultivation and use of Cannabis throughout that part of the world. They called her Bonna Rhea (the Great Goddess, the Cannabis Mother), or Rhea Krona (The Death Mother, the Scythe weilding Crone), or Tabiti the Fire Goddess. Tabiti is also identified with the Celtic Diana.
I'm writing an article about various religions use of cannabis called Cannabis: A POEE Special Report. Part one is already 7 pages long, and awaiting publication. Suddenly the first commandment of the Pentabarf snaps into a whole new focus. This is totally going into Part 2.
The Scythians influenced a lot of the rituals of the Thracians (http://www.lost-civilizations.net/scythians-page-3.html (http://www.lost-civilizations.net/scythians-page-3.html)). Here's a selection from an article by Chris Benet:
QuoteA Greek speaking nomadic tribe, the history of the Thracians is closely tied to that of the Scythians, so that at times the two groups would seem inseparable.
Herodotus wrote of the Thracian's ability at working hemp fibres, and claimed that their clothes "were so like linen that none but a very experienced person could tell whether they were of hemp or flax; one who had never seen hemp would certainly suppose them to be linen."
Like the Scythian shamans, the Thracians used cannabis in a similar manner. Dr Sumach explains in A Treasury of Hashish that:
The sorcerers of these Thracian tribes were known to have burned female cannabis flowers (and other psychoactive plants) as a mystical incense to induce trances. Their special talents were attributed to the "magical heat" produced from burning the cannabis and other herbs, believing that the plants dissolved in the flames, then reassembled themselves inside the person who inhaled the vapors.
Dionysus a Doper?
The majority of scholars are in agreement that Dionysus, the famous Greek God of Intoxication, was originally a Thracian god. Mircea Eliade, probably recognized as the foremost authority on the history of religion, has commented on the Thracian cult of Dionysus, and further he has connected this worship with the use of cannabis:
I've corresponded with Chris, and he's a very well researched scholar. I take this to confirms the Tabiti->Rhea->Thracian Enyalius -> Enyo/Bellona -> Eris connection.
QuoteA long time ago, Hercules walked up the valley toward where Atlas and his wife Phoebe had their home and garden. Hercules was completing the 'Twelve Labors' required of him if was to escape enslavement and become immortal. One task was to get a golden apple. In the orchard at Atlas' house was the golden tree, guarded by a fierce dragon, that bore golden apples. Hercules approached Atlas as he stood holding the heavens on the ridge top, and asked for a golden apple. Atlas thought his release had finally come! He said to Hercules, "Sure, you can have an apple. I can go get it for you from my orchard, the dragon cannot hurt me. If you just hold this burden for me, i will go get the apple." So Hercules took the heavens onto his shoulders. Atlas thought he was very clever for tricking Hercules. Atlas was free! That dumb lump could hold the heavens for eternity! So Atlas went to the garden and got an apple and brought it up to where Hercules was, like he said he would. Because Hercules could not take the apple into his hands, Atlas put the apple on the ground and thinking he was so slick, started to walk away. Hercules, thinking quickly said, "Oh how could i have been so tricked! Now i have to hold the heavens on my shoulders forever! Whew, this is really uncomfortable! If i just had a pad to put between my shoulders and the heavens, it might be more bearable..."
Atlas turned and looked back.
"Atlas, you have tricked me! You could at least give me a pillow!"
So Atlas, being kind, but not the brightest Titan, went and got a pillow for Hercules. When he brought it, Hercules asked him if he could just hold the heavens for a second, while he got the pillow situated. So Atlas took the heavens, and Hercules, laughing, grabbed the golden apple off the ground and ran off.
http://sacredmountains.blogspot.com/2007/05/mt-atlas.html
Those are the same apples.
According to Trojan War cycle poetry, Eris took them from the Garden of the Hesperides. I'm not sure what had happened to Ladon, the dragon, but I think it was either absent or made to fall asleep (like Hermes did with Argus). Also, those apples were gifts from Gaia to Zeus and Hera upon their marriage.
Telarus, still assimilating your information.
Eris doesn't seem like the type to be worried about a silly little dragon.
Technically, Ladon was the Greek interpretation of the Leviathan. Slightly tougher than your average fire-breathing lizard.
But, fortunately, that was not a problem, because Hercules had been through the area earlier and killed it.
Yeah, I guess the timing would work for that since Heracles predates Peleus. Or wiat... does he? Weren't they both Argonauts?
Hercules did his shizzle before the Trojan War, because several events relating to his descendants is mentioned in the Iliad.
True, but not long before the Trojan war. A single generation if memory serves me.
I'm going to do a little digging because I'm almost positive Heracles was a member of the Argonauts early on, and so was Peleus. So, depending on whether Peleus was already married when he went on that voyage, the dragon may not have been dead for his wedding...
Ill see if i cant dig up more books and find things
edit: apple talk = derail doesnt it :lulz:
'because Hercules had been through the area earlier and killed it.'
if he killed the dragon then the whole story of Atlas doesnt make sense
edit: unless it happen later oops
Quote"Sure, you can have an apple. I can go get it for you from my orchard, the dragon cannot hurt me. If you just hold this burden for me, i will go get the apple." So Hercules took the heavens onto his shoulders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Labours
Slay the Nemean Lion and bring back its hide.
Slay the 9-headed Lernaean Hydra.
Capture the Golden Stag of Artemis.
Capture the Erymanthian Boar.
Clean the Augean stables in a single day.
Slay the Stymphalian Birds.
Capture the Cretan Bull.
Steal the Mares of Diomedes.
Obtain the Girdle of the Amazon warrior queen Hippolyte.
Obtain the Cattle of the Monster Geryon.
Steal the Apples of the Hesperides, which were strictly guarded by a 100-headed dragon called Ladon.Capture Cerberus, the guardian dog of Hades, using no weapons and bring him back.
same mountain blog
QuoteA long time ago, Atlas' wife, Phoebe brought the golden tree that bore golden fruit to their orchard. And Atlas was told a prophecy, that one of the sons of his enemy Zeus would come to steal the golden tree from him. Atlas, understandably, was not very keen on the family of Zeus having his best treasure. So one day, as Atlas was kickin' it high on the ridge with the heavens on his shoulders, Perseus, son of Zeus, arrived. Now, Perseus was not out to steal Atlas' tree, he was just really tired and hungry and in need of a place to stay... after all, he had just fought and beheaded Medusa. Atlas, thinking this was the thief of the oracle, refused him. Perseus was irritable, being tired and hungry, and got really mad at Atlas. He grabbed Medusa's head from his bag, and averting his eyes, he held it up to Atlas. When Atlas looked at it, he turned into stone... the stone that is Mt Atlas. And upon the shoulders of this mountain, all the stars and the heavens are held.
Quote from: YattoDobbs on November 04, 2008, 05:35:09 PM
Ill see if i cant dig up more books and find things
Shut up, asswipe.
If you feel the need to derail everyone elses' threads/posts, then you aren't going to be able to enjoy an conversation, either, shitheels.
Quote from: Hoopla on November 04, 2008, 03:05:42 PM
True, but not long before the Trojan war. A single generation if memory serves me.
I'm going to do a little digging because I'm almost positive Heracles was a member of the Argonauts early on, and so was Peleus. So, depending on whether Peleus was already married when he went on that voyage, the dragon may not have been dead for his wedding...
Hercules killed the dragon before sailing with Jason (all of his tasks were completed before the Golden Fleece adventure). The Argonauts adventure predated the Trojan war, thus Peleus was still a bachelor during the trip. That means Eris could have stolen the apple without worrying about the Dragon.
Well, there you go.
Peleus was actually married twice before. I was having trouble figuring out which time he married Thetis, which was making my work harder (it was the third time).
Really! I did not know that.
Oh no, my mistake. That was the Acastus business.
I really should read mythology once I've had a proper night's sleep.
Thetis was his second wife (and maybe his third depending on which myth you follow). Antigone was the first and she killed herself for some reason I don't remember.
That's not Oedipus's daughter Antigone, though, is she?
Quote from: Hoopla on November 04, 2008, 07:20:51 PM
That's not Oedipus's daughter Antigone, though, is she?
No, its the other one.
No, she is Achilles Mom, I think...
EDIT: Err, no she isn't. Thetis is Achiles Mom, Antigone died childless.
Hung herself, because some bitch sent her a letter telling her that her husband was gonna marry someone else.
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 04, 2008, 07:26:37 PM
No, she is Achilles Mom, I think...
Achilles mother was Thetis. Antigone, in this case, is the daughter of Eurytion.
Quote from: Cain on November 04, 2008, 07:32:33 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on November 04, 2008, 07:26:37 PM
No, she is Achilles Mom, I think...
Achilles mother was Thetis. Antigone, in this case, is the daughter of Eurytion.
Yes... I had to fix it.
That's what I get for dredging up Greek myth while on a conference call ;-)
Bump.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/7/72/Sperone_Speroni.jpg)
While running various terms through teh Google looking for Buzz about Intermittens, I ran across this dude:
Sperone Speroni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperone_Speroni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperone_Speroni)
While digging through some random descriptions on a Library/Archivist site, I ran across the fact that among his works is included one "Dialog On Discord" in which the Goddess Discordia argues that Strife/Discord is necessary for human advancement.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
And now I can't find _any_ translated copy of the Damn Thing. I find it reallt interesting that a 16th century Italian would use HER as one of his mouthpieces.
Your Mission: Help me find a copy of "On Discord by Sperone Speroni" in English
Cain, I know you have a few articles in the works right now, so you are excused from this mission FOR NOW (I think you may have the best university resources for this, but as I said, finish that other stuff first).
Telarus, you just blew my mind!
I think I found it in Italian!
http://books.google.com/books?id=54sHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=speroni+discordia&source=bl&ots=ho1QOpuHbK&sig=9JZ4sJnGCPRWJGtzSzrdKvSHTvk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
Excellent work Cram.
This lead me to this: http://books.google.com/books?id=mg5ocVetn5gC&pg=PA408&lpg=PA408&dq=%22Dialogo+Della+Discordia%22&source=web&ots=kQycF38nxg&sig=YDsbnkKY2TrBucVsR0AxhQ-LGhw&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result
From this, I can glean that the original collection is sometimes referred to as "Dialoghi", and that the piece we're interested in contains a dialog between Discordia and Jupiter (and that Mercury shows up at the end to back up Discordia.. gotta love St. Gulik popping up there).
I wonder how well the automated translators would handle Cram's find. Too bad the text isn't recognized and you'd have to type it all in yourself.
typed in a bit by hand, but it came out kind of gibberish. We need someone that speaks Italian. Or to find the French version!
still needs a lot of cleanup, but here's a more workable version in Italian
I took the PDF we found, viewed as plain text, and C&P'd all 60 pages by hand into a text file. Then added line breaks and bolded the speakers.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dialogue_of_Discordia
using Babelfish to translate THAT page:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-res&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.principiadiscordia.com%2Fcramulus%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DDialogue_of_Discordia&lp=it_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
still messy, but you can get some of the gist of it
Holy shit, we seriously need an Italian Discordian wih fluen English to do a rtanslaion of i!
It might very well be archaic Italian, no?
Consider what English sounded like in the same period.
Damn! If it had been in classical Latin I may have been able to stumble through a translation after a couple of months. I know zero Italian though. :(
I might know someone who can translate it...however she's kinda ill right now, and I'm not sure of her exact level of reading comprehension in Italian. She knows a fair bit, certainly, as she's a musician and did live in Italy for a short while...when she's feeling better I'll see what she's capable of.
Oddly enough, that babelfish translation reminds me of hirley0's posts...
In the Teogonía de Hesíodo Eris alone without companion the wars generated to the forget,fulness ,to the hunger, the pains, the combats, the slaughters, the massacres, hatreds ,the lies ,the false speeches, the ambiguedades the disorder the destruction ,the oath :eek:and she is the nights daughter
Methaforically speaching
Why? :?
Because of the pention.
Why to which part? All of it? Or any particular bits?
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2006, 01:04:37 AM
She also gets a bonus mention in one of Aesops fables, funnily enough along with the mention of an apple and a very Taoist piece of advice from Athena:
"Herakles was making his way through a narrow pass. He saw something that looked like an apple lying on the ground and he tried to smash it with his club. After having been struck by the club, the thing swelled up to twice its size. Herakles struck it again with his club, even harder than before, and the thing then expanded to such a size that it blocked Herakles's way. Herakles let go of his club and stood there, amazed. Athena saw him and said, 'O Herakles, don't be so surprised! This thing that has brought about your confusion is Aporia (Contentiousness) and Eris (Strife). If you just leave it alone, it stays small; but if you decide to fight it, then it swells from its small size and grows large." - Aesop, Fables 534 (from Chambry 129)
This sounds like the Law of Eristic Escallation.
Quote from: Enki-][ on January 26, 2009, 06:16:01 PM
Quote from: Cain on May 13, 2006, 01:04:37 AM
She also gets a bonus mention in one of Aesops fables, funnily enough along with the mention of an apple and a very Taoist piece of advice from Athena:
"Herakles was making his way through a narrow pass. He saw something that looked like an apple lying on the ground and he tried to smash it with his club. After having been struck by the club, the thing swelled up to twice its size. Herakles struck it again with his club, even harder than before, and the thing then expanded to such a size that it blocked Herakles's way. Herakles let go of his club and stood there, amazed. Athena saw him and said, 'O Herakles, don't be so surprised! This thing that has brought about your confusion is Aporia (Contentiousness) and Eris (Strife). If you just leave it alone, it stays small; but if you decide to fight it, then it swells from its small size and grows large." - Aesop, Fables 534 (from Chambry 129)
This sounds like the Law of Eristic Escallation.
Agreed. Wherein Mal
2 recognized that Chaos resides at level above Order/Disorder games, he recognized that if you 'fight' Ordered Strife (by imposing Disorder) or 'fight' Disordered Strife (by imposing Order), the original Strife will respond, '
then it swells from its small size and grows large.'
In Egyptian mythology, Taweret and in Greek, Θουέρις "Thoeris" and Toeris)
TO-Eris (Greek Ἔρις(epic :lulz:)", "Strife")
FROM egypt?
Quote from: NotARealFurby on July 22, 2009, 12:50:33 AM
In Egyptian mythology, Taweret and in Greek, Θουέρις "Thoeris" and Toeris)
TO-Eris (Greek Ἔρις(epic :lulz:)", "Strife")
FROM egypt?
that's not epsilon-pi-rho-kappa, that's epsilon-rho-iota-sigma.
eris, not epic.
Quote from: NotARealFurby on July 22, 2009, 12:50:33 AM
TO-Eris (Greek Ἔρις(epic :lulz:)", "Strife")
(http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pics/FootDorsiflexed.jpg)
I really enjoyed reading the actual mythology bits... nice work...
thanks. :mittens:
Quote from: Cramulus on January 07, 2009, 09:20:44 PM
still needs a lot of cleanup, but here's a more workable version in Italian
I took the PDF we found, viewed as plain text, and C&P'd all 60 pages by hand into a text file. Then added line breaks and bolded the speakers.
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Dialogue_of_Discordia
using Babelfish to translate THAT page:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-res&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.principiadiscordia.com%2Fcramulus%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DDialogue_of_Discordia&lp=it_en&btnTrUrl=Translate
still messy, but you can get some of the gist of it
one of these days i might put some more hours of work into translating that. it will be badly translated (since i know no italian (i think i said this before)) but its a way to keep my mind active. the current rate is roughly 1 word/minute :P
I'm breaking this thread out of it's box a little and exploring Eris connections to other mythologies:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/golden_apple/articleindex
QuoteIn Norse mythology, golden apples grant immortal life to the Gods. They are cultivated by the Goddess Iðunn.
Golden apples are an important element in Richard Wagner's opera Das Rheingold, prelude of the tetralogy Der Ring des Nibelungen. After building the Walhall for the gods, the giants Fafner and Fasolt asked Wotan to give them Freia, the goddes who cultivates golden apples, as Wotan promised them. When the giants took Freia away, the gods suddenly became old and weak. It convinced Wotan to go to Nibelheim with Loge in order to steal the ring from Alberich, thus getting a substitute for Freia that would please the giants.
Golden apples are associated with a leitmotif. It is first sung by Fafner, when he explains to his brother Fasolt why they must take Freia away from the gods.
Bump.
I'm still looking for translations of Peroni's Dialogo della Discordia in english, not really finding much.
Here's some other interesting tidbits:
-(picked up from my art history book) The 'missing' left hand of the Venus de Milo hold the Apple of Discord (the statue shows her, Aphrodite, having just received it from Paris):
http://ezinearticles.com/?The-History-of-the-Venus-de-Milo&id=1084199
-Joachim Wtewael (1600's Dutch painter) painted a oil-on-copper mural depicting the Wedding of Peleus and Thetis, which you can find here (you can see Eris about to lob the apple):
http://public.fotki.com/ensky/museums/clark/_dsc4651.html
BUMP in case anybody speaks Italian.
Anybody speak Italian?
Bonjour Senior
Not Italian but fluent in Greek. Just throwing that out there.
Quote from: maphdet on January 21, 2010, 09:55:32 PM
Not Italian but fluent in Greek. Just throwing that out there.
close enough, start translating.
May have found someone on Twitter who is willing to help with the translation. I'll let you know when she gets back to me.
QuoteThis goes all the way back to the Ancient Greeks (read: "Homer"). The Apple of Discord was inscribed ΚΑΛΛΊΣΤῌ ("For the fairest") by Eris, Goddess of Strife, and thrown into the round of undeniably vain Olympians, eventually resulting in the Trojan War. Gods sure tend to overreact... Then there's also Hera's orchard of golden apples in the Garden of the Hesperides, and the golden apples Hippomenes used to win a race against Atalanta, earning the right to marry her. Don't get 'em mixed up.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HowDoYouLikeThemApples
part bump
(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/funny-pictures-illiad-cats.jpg)
5 AD
Polycharmus Azenius, the Archon of Athens,
pronounced the punishment of ostrakon, or exile, for Megas, the last surviving Grecian priest of Eris
erisiana.pdf :lulz:
Quote from: Pēleus on March 21, 2010, 09:34:46 AM
5 AD
Polycharmus Azenius, the Archon of Athens,
pronounced the punishment of ostrakon, or exile, for Megas, the last surviving Grecian priest of Eris
erisiana.pdf :lulz:
Woah.
Quote from: Pēleus on March 21, 2010, 09:34:46 AM
5 AD
Polycharmus Azenius, the Archon of Athens,
pronounced the punishment of ostrakon, or exile, for Megas, the last surviving Grecian priest of Eris
erisiana.pdf :lulz:
Is that from here: http://masksoferis.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/erisiana.pdf ?
beige doesnt lye
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaoskampf