Or: "The type of shit that brings navkat back to PD.com"
http://www.kget.com/news/local/story/Dramatic-911-tape-reveals-dispatcher-s-fight-to/g2pqsOnJJUGDHFDtxoK04Q.cspx
QuoteBayless was a resident at Glenwood Gardens' independent living facility, an area adjacent to, but separate from, Glenwood's skilled nursing facility and assisted living facility.
She collapsed in the facility's dining room at about 11:07 a.m. Tuesday.
Someone called 9-1-1, and Bakersfield Fire Dispatcher Tracey Halvorson got the call. Glenwood Gardens personnel handed the phone to a nurse who identified herself as Colleen.
During a 7-minute, 16-second call, Halvorson reasoned, cajoled and at times begged the nurse to start CPR in an attempt to save the woman.
The nurse said Glenwood Gardens policy prohibited her attempting CPR. The dispatcher assured the nurse Glenwood couldn't be sued if anything went wrong with CPR. The lcoal emegency medical system "Takes the liability for this call," the dispatcher said.
"I understand if your boss is telling you you can't do it," the dispatcher said. "But ... as a human being ... you know ... is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?"
"Not at this time," the nurse answered.
I'm having a difficult time discerning Real Life (tm) from one of Roger's stories.
In a moral world, that dispatcher would be fired for her gross overstep.
Quote from: navkat on March 04, 2013, 11:07:31 PM
Or: "The type of shit that brings navkat back to PD.com"
http://www.kget.com/news/local/story/Dramatic-911-tape-reveals-dispatcher-s-fight-to/g2pqsOnJJUGDHFDtxoK04Q.cspx
QuoteBayless was a resident at Glenwood Gardens' independent living facility, an area adjacent to, but separate from, Glenwood's skilled nursing facility and assisted living facility.
She collapsed in the facility's dining room at about 11:07 a.m. Tuesday.
Someone called 9-1-1, and Bakersfield Fire Dispatcher Tracey Halvorson got the call. Glenwood Gardens personnel handed the phone to a nurse who identified herself as Colleen.
During a 7-minute, 16-second call, Halvorson reasoned, cajoled and at times begged the nurse to start CPR in an attempt to save the woman.
The nurse said Glenwood Gardens policy prohibited her attempting CPR. The dispatcher assured the nurse Glenwood couldn't be sued if anything went wrong with CPR. The lcoal emegency medical system "Takes the liability for this call," the dispatcher said.
"I understand if your boss is telling you you can't do it," the dispatcher said. "But ... as a human being ... you know ... is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?"
"Not at this time," the nurse answered.
I'm having a difficult time discerning Real Life (tm) from one of Roger's stories.
In my stories, really bad things happen to bad people.
In real life, what can you do about someone who doesn't give a shit? Laws requiring people lend assistance have already been struck down as unconstitutional.
Surely we can at least TAX people for not giving a shit.
Right?
That is fucking crazy.
QuoteThe administrator of Bakersfield's Glenwood Gardens confirmed Friday the retirement facility has a policy: Employees do not attempt cardiopulmonary resuscitation on residents of Glenwood's independent living facility. That's why a nurse refused the pleas of a Bakersfield Fire Department dispatcher to begin CPR on a Glenwood resident who collapsed Tuesday morning.
The 87-year-old woman died. Reports identify her at Lorraine Bayless and confirm she did not have a do-not-resuscitate order. Her daughter told 17News she is satisfied with Glenwood's handling of the situation.
I wondered about the bit I bolded myself.
I can certainly understand being fearful of getting sued for attempting resuscitation, but when the caller assures no legal liability will result...yeah, I'm at a loss. One of my previous jobs involved some degree of business with a retirement home, so I can't say I'm entirely surprised by this sort of shit. Good retirement homes are hard to find, and a large number of them are nothing more than fucking scams, where they're only going to keep you alive so long as it pays well. They'll pass people onto the hospitals as soon as they become too much to handle, which tends to end up in being juggled back and forth between the home and the hospital for several weeks before their death.
Quote from: Emo Howard on March 05, 2013, 10:27:33 AM
Surely we can at least TAX people for not giving a shit.
Right?
Socialist.
Quote from: Cain on March 05, 2013, 10:44:35 AM
QuoteThe administrator of Bakersfield's Glenwood Gardens confirmed Friday the retirement facility has a policy: Employees do not attempt cardiopulmonary resuscitation on residents of Glenwood's independent living facility. That's why a nurse refused the pleas of a Bakersfield Fire Department dispatcher to begin CPR on a Glenwood resident who collapsed Tuesday morning.
The 87-year-old woman died. Reports identify her at Lorraine Bayless and confirm she did not have a do-not-resuscitate order. Her daughter told 17News she is satisfied with Glenwood's handling of the situation.
I wondered about the bit I bolded myself.
I can certainly understand being fearful of getting sued for attempting resuscitation, but when the caller assures no legal liability will result...yeah, I'm at a loss. One of my previous jobs involved some degree of business with a retirement home, so I can't say I'm entirely surprised by this sort of shit. Good retirement homes are hard to find, and a large number of them are nothing more than fucking scams, where they're only going to keep you alive so long as it pays well. They'll pass people onto the hospitals as soon as they become too much to handle, which tends to end up in being juggled back and forth between the home and the hospital for several weeks before their death.
Same here. All that cutting-edge, competitive, free-market healthcare we have doesn't seem to make a lick of difference when it comes to trying to get the nurse to wipe the McRib sauce off her fingers, get her ass out from behind the nurse's station desk and come explain why it's 3 o'clock and the diabetic patient we're taking to the hospital due to a rampant, bleeding UTI hasn't had a blood glucose reading since breakfast.
I must ask you all to take a moment and remember this:
Regardless of profession, you will encounter oxygen thieves daily.
Please extend doctors/nurses/other carers the same courtesy as everyone else and consider the idea they may just be awful people.
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 05, 2013, 04:17:42 PM
I must ask you all to take a moment and remember this:
Regardless of profession, you will encounter oxygen thieves daily.
Please extend doctors/nurses/other carers the same courtesy as everyone else and consider the idea they may just be awful people.
I LOVE the word "carer" in this context. :whack:
Would "care provider" raise the cranial pH some?
Hah, some of the most mean-spirited people I've had the misfortune to know had the job title of "care assistants". They gave so little fucks they probably wouldn't even bother to piss on someone if they were on fire.
Nursing homes are by far, the WORST. I actually went to pick up a patient once who was non-ambulatory and needed to be lifted onto our stretcher. It's expected that the transferring staff (and whoever else is on-scene) aids with the lift. After shoving her nose in the clipboard for several minutes and avoiding eye-contact, my partner had to ASK her to assist with the lift since there were two of us, 250lbs of the patient and we were both small-framed females. This nurse had the audacity to tell us that she couldn't help because the facility was having a problem with MRSA and patient contact was to be avoided.
Excuse me, whaat? My first instinct was to grab a pair of gloves and hand them to her because I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that she was refusing. Right, lady. You can't touch the patient because you're a nurse but it's okay for us to sustain a back-injury cause we're just "techs," right?
And she was obviously full of shit about it being a policy because she called someone else on-site to help. SHE just didn't want to do it.
You've got to ask yourself: If there are nurses working FT at these facilities who don't want to TOUCH a patient, what quality of care could the patients on her rotation possibly be receiving?
In the UK, we have care homes, which are for people who don't need round the clock medical care (in theory) and nursing homes, for people who do (in theory).
In practice, people are basically kept in the care homes until the point where they die from neglect, usually costing them and their families several thousand pounds a month for the "experience".
The one in my local town was notorious for this. The facility was never designed as a care home, the staff were undertrained, the shifts were understaffed, the management were incompetent. The building stank of piss and several "residents" were confined to their beds for the majority of the day and only taken down for meals and the occasional bath. Given it was meant to be a care home, a lot of the residents were clearly suffering from dementia, depression or, in one case, probable psychosis.
All this for £3000 a month. Also had an "excellent" rating from the state inspectors.
For what it's worth I can anecdotally back up Cain's experience in 4/5 large towns/cities in Scotland and England.
I now consider the word "Hospice" synonymous with "Fucked". The laziest google will give you a multitude of tales from across the UK about various "care homes" for the elderly or mentally infirm that will make you loathe your fellow man a little more. I would posit that if it's happening this widely here, it's not just the UK.
Quote from: Junkenstein on March 05, 2013, 06:36:28 PM
For what it's worth I can anecdotally back up Cain's experience in 4/5 large towns/cities in Scotland and England.
I now consider the word "Hospice" synonymous with "Fucked". The laziest google will give you a multitude of tales from across the UK about various "care homes" for the elderly or mentally infirm that will make you loathe your fellow man a little more. I would posit that if it's happening this widely here, it's not just the UK.
The only experience I have with nursing homes (seeing the inside) was in Newfoundland and Ontario. The nursing homes were clean, well-staffed, and the folks living there seemed happy.
In Illinois and Arizona, they look - from the outside - like
factories. Which offers some nightmare fuel, for those of us with grim imaginations.
Quote from: Cain on March 05, 2013, 04:37:02 PM
Hah, some of the most mean-spirited people I've had the misfortune to know had the job title of "care assistants". They gave so little fucks they probably wouldn't even bother to piss on someone if they were on fire.
I'm sure the profession tends to attract people who are flat-out sadistic. Invalids aren't very good at standing up for themselves.
On the factory aspect, the UK has had an aging population for quite some time. The prospect of industrial capacity care homes is probably closer here than many would like to think. Mainly they don't like to think about it as you may have to consider it happening to YOU if you live long enough.
I was just thinking about this the other day, and it seems to me that there's some kind of huge shift that going to happen.
the generation in these wretched retirement homes is about the first that modern medicine has made it a reliable occurance to outlive ones quality of life for an extended period, isn't it?
So their baby boomer children are stuck witnessing and trying to deal with this horror. and then their kids are seeing them deal with that shit.....
and my wife and i, and all the friends that we know (that aren't opposed on religious grounds) feel without any compunction, that we will lovingly off each other at any point that our quality of life starts to turn to shit in this way. we sure as fuck aren't going to end up in a home.
My mom used to be a nurse and worked in a nursing home for awhile. While she was there, three of the nurses were raped by one of the old men and they were all fired for putting themselves in an unsafe situation. He hit my mom in the face and arms several times one day and left bruises the size of oranges. It was well-known that the man was demented as heck but still crazy strong so no one was supposed to be in his room alone. But there was only one nurse per shift for awhile . . . so yeah.
A lot of the people there died from neglect and I think one was suffocated by her daughter. It was just a fucked up place. Mom got out as soon as she could and got a job as an in-home caregiver.
Anyway. Yes. I don't have any positive stories to add about group homes. I think the in-home care-giver thing might work better but I suppose it's just as prone to fuckery as everything else we do is.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on March 05, 2013, 09:52:17 PM
My mom used to be a nurse and worked in a nursing home for awhile. While she was there, three of the nurses were raped by one of the old men
I just gotta ask...
AT THE SAME TIME???
Quote from: Balls Wellington on March 07, 2013, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on March 05, 2013, 09:52:17 PM
My mom used to be a nurse and worked in a nursing home for awhile. While she was there, three of the nurses were raped by one of the old men
I just gotta ask...
AT THE SAME TIME???
Nope. But two in the same day, on different shifts. If I remember right. He was spry but not that spry.
The amount of fucked-up in that story is too much for me to process all at once. Come back later, please.
In contrast:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/15/17325587-boys-9-and-10-show-mom-how-to-perform-cpr-and-help-save-infant?lite
Oh, man. Someone's getting sued...
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
In contrast:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/15/17325587-boys-9-and-10-show-mom-how-to-perform-cpr-and-help-save-infant?lite
That's awesome and makes me feel better about people. Also about teaching really young children CPR.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
In contrast:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/15/17325587-boys-9-and-10-show-mom-how-to-perform-cpr-and-help-save-infant?lite
My heart just got weirdly big. :)