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Damn Roger! 

Stache or no looking great!  Even with the grrrrr.

That's not grrrrr, that's my straight face.   

In all these years I have yet to see a picture with a smile!  I just presumed grrr was your daily persona 

However, aside from that looking good! 

The horrible Dok pic has a smile.  It apparently freaked Squid out.

Yes.  You grow a Fu Manchu 'stache.


And then get extensions, and use it as a bullwhip.

Righteo.  Project begins Monday.

Damn Roger! 

Stache or no looking great!  Even with the grrrrr.

That's not grrrrr, that's my straight face.   

GOT LETTER   

TRYING TO THINK OF RESPONSE

Remember, responses should be snail mail.

...Grow a Fu Manchu stache or not?

At least I managed to retain bowel control. (Important)

Not important.

For it to be apples to apples however, we want to compare juvenile felony convictions and adolescent overdose deaths.  But I would also add to deaths OD's that don't result in death and other serious mental and medical conditions caused by drug use.  Because that is the trade-off. 

Okay, and I want to add misdemeanor convictions and trauma caused by having parents in prison for drugs.

I mean, if we're moving the goal posts.

now your simply being rude howl.

Well, here we go:

Average deaths from drugs in 2008 (adult and juvenile):  17000...Counts only actual drug caused deaths.  For example, in 2006, the total number of drug related deaths was as follows:

"In 2006, a total of 38,396 persons died of drug-induced causes in the United States (Tables 21 and 22). This category includes not only deaths from dependent and nondependent use of legal or illegal drugs, but also poisoning from medically prescribed and other drugs. It excludes unintentional injuries, homicides, and other causes indirectly related to drug use, as well as newborn deaths due to the mother's drug use."

So for our purposes, 17,000 people TOTAL die nation wide, on average, each year from overdoses.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30  Sources are cited at the website.

Now, convictions:

Just New York - just one state- had 2.5 times that number of felony drug violations.

There were 43,844 adult arrests in New York for felony drug violations during 2007.13 There were 42,265 such arrests during 2006.14

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/statelocal/ny/ny.pdf

I can keep digging, though it's a pain in the ass.  Strictly juvenile figures seem to be damn hard to find.  What percentage of that 17,000 do you expect are minors?

Okay this is a bitch.  I keep getting 30 pages of lawyers websites.

Continuing.

Sorry, RWHN, I still think drugs should be completely legalized.

Everyone has the right to fuck themselves up in any way they choose.

This!

The fact that they are illegal is what makes most drugs interesting in the first place.

Not really, it's more the fact that parents don't want them to do it. Part of rebellion against parental authority.   I don't imagine that would change all that much if drugs were legalized. 

I don't see an increase in use occurring if they were legal for adults.  The kids who would do drugs are already doing them.

What I'd see is a hell of a lot less kids with felony convictions hanging around their necks for the rest of their lives.

How often does that happen vs. the number of kids who die from ODing?

Number of felony convictions vs the number of deaths in minors?

Hang on, I'll look.

[bills]

I'm fairly giddy.  I rarely get much more in the mail than greeting cards bills.

I hate being a grown up.  

You're on the list too, spag.  You'll PRAY for bills!

Sorry, RWHN, I still think drugs should be completely legalized.

Everyone has the right to fuck themselves up in any way they choose.

This!

The fact that they are illegal is what makes most drugs interesting in the first place.

Not really, it's more the fact that parents don't want them to do it. Part of rebellion against parental authority.   I don't imagine that would change all that much if drugs were legalized. 

I don't see an increase in use occurring if they were legal for adults.  The kids who would do drugs are already doing them.

What I'd see is a hell of a lot less kids with felony convictions hanging around their necks for the rest of their lives.

Sorry, RWHN, I still think drugs should be completely legalized.

Everyone has the right to fuck themselves up in any way they choose.

But adolescents don't have the mental capacity to make those adult decisions. 

Sure.  Alcohol is legal, and we don't let kids drink it legally.

Also, tax it, and use the proceeds to pay for proper healthcare reform.

Would help the economy some also.

Yes!
We, the people, should be able to buy back the inalienable rights that were stolen from us!

Freedom isn't free.  You need a tax stamp.  That's why we fought the revolution, after all and...um.  Wait.