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Principia Discordia => Aneristic Illusions => Topic started by: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2021, 12:49:47 am

Title: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2021, 12:49:47 am
We're not hearing much over here, mostly on account of the news is preoccupied with the presidential thing.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Junkenstein on January 22, 2021, 12:52:57 am
Not great, overall.

Fishermen have realised they've been fucked, as have musicians, hauliers etc.

1800 dead a day is helping keep it out of the rags here. That and most would now need to do a classic change of heart and start denouncing the whole thing. Which is also unlikely as their proprietors seem to be doing OK.

Pretty much exactly what you'd expect.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 22, 2021, 01:16:17 am
Not great, overall.

Fishermen have realised they've been fucked, as have musicians, hauliers etc.

1800 dead a day is helping keep it out of the rags here. That and most would now need to do a classic change of heart and start denouncing the whole thing. Which is also unlikely as their proprietors seem to be doing OK.

Pretty much exactly what you'd expect.

Yeah, I saw the thing where Elton John is more or less swearing vendetta.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Faust on January 22, 2021, 08:10:30 am
It could have been a hell of a lot worse.

The fishermen I dont feel sorry for at all, the fishing industry called for brexit to increase their quotas which were limited previously.
They got what they wished for, their quotas are increased.

In exchange they have permanently lost the market they sell to.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2021, 12:57:59 pm
Yeah, on a day to day level not much has changed for the majority of people yet, industries like fishing aside.

But that may change. The Tories are going to make the ECHR their "culture war" platform, and they're very likely to destroy legislation on workers rights in the UK like the Working Time Directive. Along with whatever stupid shit we do to antagonise Europe along the way (which will see retaliatory tariffs slapped on us), things could be very different in 12-18 months.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Faust on January 27, 2021, 12:07:48 pm
Eu is talking about using its Security clauses (seize supply chains in times of crises) to block export of Covid Vaccines over a row with supply.
EU ordered too late, but wish to make up the numbers by prioritizing Vaccine made in EU for EU countries.
So its not even out of Jan and were are entering a protectionism war.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Doktor Howl on January 27, 2021, 05:57:58 pm
Yeah, on a day to day level not much has changed for the majority of people yet, industries like fishing aside.

But that may change. The Tories are going to make the ECHR their "culture war" platform, and they're very likely to destroy legislation on workers rights in the UK like the Working Time Directive. Along with whatever stupid shit we do to antagonise Europe along the way (which will see retaliatory tariffs slapped on us), things could be very different in 12-18 months.

I'm already seeing a level of friction on imports/exports that is rather alarming.  Over on DP, there's some sweater-vest who keeps saying how awesome it all is, because trade with the EU is bad, because they send things to the UK and only exports should be allowed.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: altered on January 27, 2021, 07:26:23 pm
 :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

Have you reminded him about the laws of thermodynamics? Entropy in a closed system? etc?
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: altered on January 27, 2021, 07:29:01 pm
Seriously, what happens if you have, say, a goldfish in a relatively large tank, right, and the tank is permitted to export its cruddy poo water but not to import new clean water?

Same fucking difference. This should be fucking obvious to a third grader.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: chaotic neutral observer on January 27, 2021, 07:34:55 pm
I'm already seeing a level of friction on imports/exports that is rather alarming.  Over on DP, there's some sweater-vest who keeps saying how awesome it all is, because trade with the EU is bad, because they send things to the UK and only exports should be allowed.

I understand that kind of insistence on self-reliance has been a spectacular success in North Korea.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 27, 2021, 09:31:18 pm
Yeah, on a day to day level not much has changed for the majority of people yet, industries like fishing aside.

But that may change. The Tories are going to make the ECHR their "culture war" platform, and they're very likely to destroy legislation on workers rights in the UK like the Working Time Directive. Along with whatever stupid shit we do to antagonise Europe along the way (which will see retaliatory tariffs slapped on us), things could be very different in 12-18 months.

I'm already seeing a level of friction on imports/exports that is rather alarming.  Over on DP, there's some sweater-vest who keeps saying how awesome it all is, because trade with the EU is bad, because they send things to the UK and only exports should be allowed.

Yes, the combination of Covid-related absences and new regime at the border is something of a double-whammy at the moment. Not that I imagine it would be significantly better without Covid, but it is, you know, contributing to the whole mess.

The government is also advising UK companies to set up shop in the EU, while paying EU citizens in the UK to fuck off (literally a BNP policy, 15 years ago). I'm still not seeing it hitting majorly at a retail level, there have been some shortages but nothing critical nor completely sold out for long...but as friction increases and stockpiles are depleted, that will of course also get worse.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: P3nT4gR4m on January 29, 2021, 01:46:24 pm
Report flashed across my feed the other day reckoned we've lost about 1.4 million foreign workers since brexit and our suicidal covid strategy came into effect. So the good news is all the dumb bastards who lost their jobs to foreigners will have job opportunities now. Sure, they'll be the kind of jobs that only desperate romanians were prepared to do for minimum wage back when minimum wage was something you could realistically hope to earn, before we did away with the eurocratic evil bastards who mandated that human rights shouldn't be one of those optional luxury items on the balance sheet but if that's not good enough it's their fault for not specifying they wanted jobs that didn't carry a higher than average suicide rate. Hell mend 'em :lulz:

In other news, now that the finance sector has jumped on blockchain the government will pretty much just have to cede control of currency once and for all and my tax contributions become optional so I'm not forced to piss away my hard earned cash on tory party members redecorating or bombing the living shit out of little brown kids I don't really give much of a fuck about. So they can pretty much forget about me chipping in on the "austerity" caper this time around. I'll be over in the corner eating expensive black market popcorn and watching their Rome burn 8)
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: MMIX on January 21, 2022, 06:13:33 pm
As a devout discordian I endorse this image

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJo42mGX0AQSnrV.jpg:large)

Close-up of the 17 mile long queue to clear customs at Dover on the way to France. Estimated time per truck = 15 minutes

<Hollow LoL>
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: MMIX on January 21, 2022, 07:04:46 pm
Damn. The queue is only 17 Km. See how European we are . . .
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Faust on January 21, 2022, 09:29:05 pm
The red tape parade.
The Tories have given instruction not to use the B word any more because its quickly become a way to collect losses and a bunch of small losses in every area.

It's gone better than expected, it seems the deal kept a lid on all the worst outcomes, but rhe first year seems to have been a net cost rather than benefit

Even from the often debatable "controlled Borders and immigration" a record number of migrants made the crossing because the uk doesnt have anywhere to deport them back to
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2022, 10:24:41 am
Soon Brexit will be terrible and it will all be Boris Johnson's fault.

Calling it now.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 22, 2022, 10:26:13 am
Not joking btw, I fully expect that "Boris is a secret Remainer who ruined Brexit, we now need [Tory idiot of the moment] to step in and deliver REAL BREXIT."

I just don't know who the idiot of the moment will be.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: The Commander on January 23, 2022, 09:20:28 am
Not joking btw, I fully expect that "Boris is a secret Remainer who ruined Brexit, we now need [Tory idiot of the moment] to step in and deliver REAL BREXIT."

I just don't know who the idiot of the moment will be.

Liz Truss perhaps? I don't know much about her, but as I understand it, she's pretty anti-immigration. I know the refugee assistance group I work with is not happy with her.

The Commander
DIA
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Faust on January 23, 2022, 10:07:35 am
Not joking btw, I fully expect that "Boris is a secret Remainer who ruined Brexit, we now need [Tory idiot of the moment] to step in and deliver REAL BREXIT."

I just don't know who the idiot of the moment will be.
The ever shrinking circle of pure brexiteers getting kicked out by the ever changing requirements of what a True Brexit means.

Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 23, 2022, 05:09:35 pm
Liz Truss perhaps? I don't know much about her, but as I understand it, she's pretty anti-immigration. I know the refugee assistance group I work with is not happy with her.

The Commander
DIA

They definitely tried to make her, and Sunak, a thing. I'm not sure how many in the party are biting, but attempts were made.

The ever shrinking circle of pure brexiteers getting kicked out by the ever changing requirements of what a True Brexit means.

It's almost like ridiculously amorphous purity tests in politics are a bad thing!
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Junkenstein on January 26, 2022, 12:37:24 am
Sunak apparently at birthday party, at least one.

Rumor is one party was for dog.

Not dead, still in cave send help making electricity has been difficult
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on January 26, 2022, 10:37:47 pm
Well there was what, 15 parties? Lockdown months were March, April, May, June 2020, December 2020, January 2021, February 2021?

Missing a few months but it sounds like there was a party every two weeks from here.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Faust on February 09, 2022, 01:57:00 pm
The DUP scuttled the Government of NI over the protocol and didnt even make front page news, no statement from Boris and co showing what everyone suspected:
The Tories will use NI to make it look like they are fighting the big bad EU in the news papers but when push comes to shove they are uninterested, and wont jeopardize the TCA which the UK benefits from.
Title: Re: So, how's that Brexit thing coming along?
Post by: Cain on February 09, 2022, 11:59:17 pm
The Tories barely give a fuck of what's happening outside the home counties.