http://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights-lgbt-rights-racial-justice-criminal-law-reform/shut-or-get-out-pa-city-punishes (http://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights-lgbt-rights-racial-justice-criminal-law-reform/shut-or-get-out-pa-city-punishes)
Holy fuck.
Broken link.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/womens-rights-lgbt-rights-racial-justice-criminal-law-reform/shut-or-get-out-pa-city-punishes
does that work?
Also
Holy fuck Norristown, Pa, et al, there are no words for that level of mean spiritedness.
Nice way to ignore ALL the research on how domestic abuse works, wankstains.
I predict a rise in death by partner for the black women in that town. (as they don't seem to enforce it with white wimmen)
Can't leave without a safety net, AND, when you leave a domestic abuser, it's the most dangerous time, and when the most fatalities occur.
What the fucking fuck, PA? You're letting me down, here. Why is your land so beautiful and the people so fucked up?
How the hell do laws like this even...
Seriously? I can see the implied implications of why these laws exist, but how do you makes these laws seem rational enough to vote for?
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!? Landlords shouldn't be forced to evict people just because they call the police! It's between the landlord and the tenant what the terms of their relationship imply: it's none of the anti-nuisance police's business who a landlord chooses to rent to! :argh!:
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
Because it only happens to Those People. You know the ones.
Also, nobody listens to free market tards. Even the GOP laughs at them.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
Because it only happens to Those People. You know the ones.
Ah dude, that's what I meant with the whole "implying impli..." stuff.
Man, call my reasoning behind this disgusting or whatever, but racism is such a counter-utilitarian ideology. Because some half-wit racists wanna cause problems for minorities, there are landlords who have to lose revenue. You'd think that series of bus boycotts would have taught these fools that you don't fuck with people who pour capital into your coffers: black money is just as green as anyone elses...
This would be a fun article to post somewhere where extreme right libertarian types exist with my logic making the premise of nuisance laws seem evil...I'd be interested how the dissonnace between defense of the free market would play out against the typical defense of racism that's prevalent in such crowds...
(and yes, I do see the fucked up-ness of turning the police against the vulnerable -- it should go without saying that this is wrong; just figured this angle of "free marketness" would be a fun way of looking at things under a not-so-typical light)
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 03:20:17 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 02:54:56 PM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
Because it only happens to Those People. You know the ones.
Ah dude, that's what I meant with the whole "implying impli..." stuff.
I'm just stating what the popular impression of libertarians/free market tards is. I'm not claiming that it is accurate in all cases or even in general. But this is the reputation that crowd has.
QuoteMan, call my reasoning behind this disgusting or whatever, but racism is such a counter-utilitarian ideology. Because some half-wit racists wanna cause problems for minorities, there are landlords who have to lose revenue. You'd think that series of bus boycotts would have taught these fools that you don't fuck with people who pour capital into your coffers: black money is just as green as anyone elses...
That's not really the point. The point is to get women - particularly minorities - to SHUT UP like in the good old days. To many people right now, that's far more important than
money.
QuoteThis would be a fun article to post somewhere where extreme right libertarian types exist with my logic making the premise of nuisance laws seem evil...I'd be interested how the dissonnace between defense of the free market would play out against the typical defense of racism that's prevalent in such crowds...
Make sure you're using a proxy. :lulz: They'll free speech your ass right into your grave.
Quote(and yes, I do see the fucked up-ness of turning the police against the vulnerable -- it should go without saying that this is wrong; just figured this angle of "free marketness" would be a fun way of looking at things under a not-so-typical light)
The police are always used against the vulnerable. They're easy targets, and don't cost too many votes...Because the rest of the vulnerable people are all pre-rich, and don't want to rock the boat.
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
This isn't 4chan.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
This isn't 4chan.
You kind of have to allow young republicans a little slack while they learn how to communicate.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
This isn't 4chan.
^THIS^
Also, misogyny/ not thinking it applies to them. That's why they aren't going RAARGH.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
They expect to become rich because they're "exceptional". When asked about it, they holler shit about "innovation", which is libertarian for "Baby Jesus is gonna give me money". They're essentially Calvinists, even if they think they're atheist. The principles remain the same. God/The Universe/Ayn Rand loves them and will give them nice things. One day. Soon.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:06:11 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:02:54 PM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 29, 2013, 12:17:52 PM
And why aren't the freemarketfags railing against this!?
This isn't 4chan.
You kind of have to allow young republicans a little slack while they learn how to communicate.
Sure. I'm instructing him. :)
Other traits common to Libertarians:
1. They ALL started out DIRT FUCKING POOR. Every one of the little darlings was raised in a cardboard box, and beaten every night in leiu of supper.
2. They're ALL rich NOW, or at least on the way there. Of course, an IP trace of any given Libertarian leads to a Starbucks restaurant near a university, but that's obviously because they own the Starbucks. Alternatively, they are posting from someone's basement, probably their mother's, but that's because the man is keeping them down with health care and shit.
3. They ALL value money more than (actual) freedom, other human beings, or even their own well-being. It's a sort of degenerate religion. Common religious terms include "productivity" (slavery), "entitlements" (poor people being allowed to eat), and "innovation" (their version of the Lord's prayer).
4. They mostly hate women. Not all of them hate women, but that's how you bet. Why? Because women A) are inexplicably not drawn into conversations when Libertarians very visibly read Atlas Shrugged at the coffee shop, and B) Women tend to be more interested in group survival than in horrible greedhead assbaggery. Said greedhead assbaggery being the sum total of what Libertarians care about, when the rubber hits the road.
It is in fact my position that Libertarians should be returned to their natural environment: Somalia.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:17:12 PM
Other traits common to Libertarians:
1. They ALL started out DIRT FUCKING POOR. Every one of the little darlings was raised in a cardboard box, and beaten every night in leiu of supper.
2. They're ALL rich NOW, or at least on the way there. Of course, an IP trace of any given Libertarian leads to a Starbucks restaurant near a university, but that's obviously because they own the Starbucks. Alternatively, they are posting from someone's basement, probably their mother's, but that's because the man is keeping them down with health care and shit.
3. They ALL value money more than (actual) freedom, other human beings, or even their own well-being. It's a sort of degenerate religion. Common religious terms include "productivity" (slavery), "entitlements" (poor people being allowed to eat), and "innovation" (their version of the Lord's prayer).
4. They mostly hate women. Not all of them hate women, but that's how you bet. Why? Because women A) are inexplicably not drawn into conversations when Libertarians very visibly read Atlas Shrugged at the coffee shop, and B) Women tend to be more interested in group survival than in horrible greedhead assbaggery. Said greedhead assbaggery being the sum total of what Libertarians care about, when the rubber hits the road.
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
No, actually, their own freedom comes secondary to money. No shit.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
No, actually, their own freedom comes secondary to money. No shit.
Wow. So we can take their guns as long as they make enough money?
In today's world, freedom IS money. Money guarantees all those little luxuries like resort hotels for the 'planning meetings' and spas for the 'bonuses' and all the hookers one can blow. Just because all that money comes with certain . . . requirements . . . doesn't mean you're not free. It just means you're dedicated. Dedicated to showing how much better you are than your neighbors, hah-ha!
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
No, actually, their own freedom comes secondary to money. No shit.
Wow. So we can take their guns as long as they make enough money?
No, guns are kind of sacred (somehow, this ties in with "keeping your money", though not one of them has the stones to actually stand up to the IRS). But allowing banks and private prisons to arrange all of your society's social mores is just fine. So are debtor's prisons, lack of due process, and lack of anything resembling control over your own body.
Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on April 29, 2013, 09:25:18 PM
In today's world, freedom IS money. Money guarantees all those little luxuries like resort hotels for the 'planning meetings' and spas for the 'bonuses' and all the hookers one can blow. Just because all that money comes with certain . . . requirements . . . doesn't mean you're not free. It just means you're dedicated. Dedicated to showing how much better you are than your neighbors, hah-ha!
Well, it's basically that in a shallow and corrupt nation, the highest aspiration anyone can seem to come up with is "get rich".
Because shrouds have pockets, doncha know.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
Pre-rich starts at about 5:00
I'M GOING FOR ACTRESSING (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyimcFym6_I)
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
No, actually, their own freedom comes secondary to money. No shit.
Wow. So we can take their guns as long as they make enough money?
Citation (http://crookedtimber.org/2010/04/15/libertarianism-property-rights-and-self-ownership/):
QuoteSo: not only is slavery in principle acceptable to a libertarian (propertarian), the slave remains, technically, completely at liberty, even at the moment he is killed with impunity by his master. (His master has no duty to transfer title to the market-acquired slave's life back to the disadvantaged slave.)
Quote from: Cain on April 29, 2013, 11:44:08 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:23:38 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:22:52 PM
Quote from: Queef Erisson on April 29, 2013, 09:22:20 PM
The value freedom so long as it's their freedom. They don't care if other people don't have their freedom.
No, actually, their own freedom comes secondary to money. No shit.
Wow. So we can take their guns as long as they make enough money?
Citation (http://crookedtimber.org/2010/04/15/libertarianism-property-rights-and-self-ownership/):
QuoteSo: not only is slavery in principle acceptable to a libertarian (propertarian), the slave remains, technically, completely at liberty, even at the moment he is killed with impunity by his master. (His master has no duty to transfer title to the market-acquired slave's life back to the disadvantaged slave.)
Um, that article is nothing short of amazing. Good find.
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
IOW, they're jujitsued into massive butthurt. :lulz:
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 01:21:17 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
IOW, they're jujitsued into massive butthurt. :lulz:
Well, bluntly spoken, it's one of the things that exposes the flaws in their ideologies so directly that one either must put up the screen of "lol obvious troll" and ignore it, or face the harshest cognitive dissonnance possible. So yes, jujitsu'd into the most anally seeping butthurt imaginable!
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
When you find the perfect rebuttal, stick to it. Know what I mean?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 01:21:17 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
IOW, they're jujitsued into massive butthurt. :lulz:
Well, bluntly spoken, it's one of the things that exposes the flaws in their ideologies so directly that one either must put up the screen of "lol obvious troll" and ignore it, or face the harshest cognitive dissonnance possible. So yes, jujitsu'd into the most anally seeping butthurt imaginable!
Problem is, it's accurate. Somalia really IS the libertarian paradise, as libertarians explain their philosophy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
When you find the perfect rebuttal, stick to it. Know what I mean?
I can't see where you're coming from at all really.
Other than mental masturbation, what is the purpose of debate? I shall, for my purposes, state that it is to influence someone to think in a manner that is beneficial to the debateur's ends.
In this, debate is a field of competitive sport where the goal is to win. If a given argument has a track record of being stale and ineffective against your target audience, would it not be logical to devise a more potent argument that is unexpected and not obviously a "device of the opposition"?
By analogy:
You've been engaging an enemy with sub machineguns chambered in 9mm luger. Your enemy gets smart and adopts level IV plates. Do you continue to invest in 9mm luger, or do you switch to something unexpected? Say 7.62x54r, or an analogous full power rifle cartidge? Hell, you could even flood the battle field with something nefarious like sarin gas, but what purpose would sticking with an ineffective weapon serve other than to produce stalemate or your own defeat?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
They expect to become rich because they're "exceptional". When asked about it, they holler shit about "innovation", which is libertarian for "Baby Jesus is gonna give me money". They're essentially Calvinists, even if they think they're atheist. The principles remain the same. God/The Universe/Ayn Rand loves them and will give them nice things. One day. Soon.
It's fascinating because even if they DO work hard and are smart and have good ideas and make something of themselves, they will still never be rich. They might be comfortably middle-class, but they will NEVER be in the tax brackets they scream about protecting. It's perfectly obvious, yet they never seem to have any concept of this reality. I don't think they're even capable of grasping that the "rich" they are deluded into thinking they will become have so much money that their annual salary is completely meaningless.
I mean, there's something kind of funny about the fact that even the engineers and physicists and chemist PhD's I know, for all their high level of education and the relatively high status of their careers, will never break $200k/year. Ever. If I get into the program I want and become a wildly successful researcher and travel the world on speaking tours, the only way I'll
ever break $200k is if I write a book and it makes the bestseller list. Going to school and working hard isn't how you get rich, you get rich by being born into a rich family. A brief glance at the statistics for intergenerational economic mobility will tell you that, even if you don't understand the processes behind it.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:40:45 AM
I can't see where you're coming from at all really.
Other than mental masturbation, what is the purpose of debate? I shall, for my purposes, state that it is to influence someone to think in a manner that is beneficial to the debateur's ends.
No. It is to grind your opponents down until they drop out of politics entirely.
Bonus points if they get angry if it's even brought up.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
They expect to become rich because they're "exceptional". When asked about it, they holler shit about "innovation", which is libertarian for "Baby Jesus is gonna give me money". They're essentially Calvinists, even if they think they're atheist. The principles remain the same. God/The Universe/Ayn Rand loves them and will give them nice things. One day. Soon.
It's fascinating because even if they DO work hard and are smart and have good ideas and make something of themselves, they will still never be rich. They might be comfortably middle-class, but they will NEVER be in the tax brackets they scream about protecting. It's perfectly obvious, yet they never seem to have any concept of this reality. I don't think they're even capable of grasping that the "rich" they are deluded into thinking they will become have so much money that their annual salary is completely meaningless.
I mean, there's something kind of funny about the fact that even the engineers and physicists and chemist PhD's I know, for all their high level of education and the relatively high status of their careers, will never break $200k/year. Ever. If I get into the program I want and become a wildly successful researcher and travel the world on speaking tours, the only way I'll ever break $200k is if I write a book and it makes the bestseller list. Going to school and working hard isn't how you get rich, you get rich by being born into a rich family. A brief glance at the statistics for intergenerational economic mobility will tell you that, even if you don't understand the processes behind it.
But to ADMIT that they aren't the exception is to admit that
they're possibly not the main character.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:48:43 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:40:45 AM
I can't see where you're coming from at all really.
Other than mental masturbation, what is the purpose of debate? I shall, for my purposes, state that it is to influence someone to think in a manner that is beneficial to the debateur's ends.
No. It is to grind your opponents down until they drop out of politics entirely.
Bonus points if they get angry if it's even brought up.
I think our statements of purpose are actually quite compatable.
I say: debate is getting your enemy to do what you want
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
You know, I used to be afraid of you when I was a kid: always figured the big evil roger from peedee would crawl out of the internet and smash all of my hippy dreams. Your misanthropy is actually enjoyable and engaging, come to find out.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
They expect to become rich because they're "exceptional". When asked about it, they holler shit about "innovation", which is libertarian for "Baby Jesus is gonna give me money". They're essentially Calvinists, even if they think they're atheist. The principles remain the same. God/The Universe/Ayn Rand loves them and will give them nice things. One day. Soon.
It's fascinating because even if they DO work hard and are smart and have good ideas and make something of themselves, they will still never be rich. They might be comfortably middle-class, but they will NEVER be in the tax brackets they scream about protecting. It's perfectly obvious, yet they never seem to have any concept of this reality. I don't think they're even capable of grasping that the "rich" they are deluded into thinking they will become have so much money that their annual salary is completely meaningless.
I mean, there's something kind of funny about the fact that even the engineers and physicists and chemist PhD's I know, for all their high level of education and the relatively high status of their careers, will never break $200k/year. Ever. If I get into the program I want and become a wildly successful researcher and travel the world on speaking tours, the only way I'll ever break $200k is if I write a book and it makes the bestseller list. Going to school and working hard isn't how you get rich, you get rich by being born into a rich family. A brief glance at the statistics for intergenerational economic mobility will tell you that, even if you don't understand the processes behind it.
But to ADMIT that they aren't the exception is to admit that they're possibly not the main character.
This is true.
And we can't have
that.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:49:47 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 01:42:05 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 29, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 29, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
The sheer incredible idiocy of the pre-rich crowd is mind-boggling. How anyone can look at America and think "I'm poor right now but I'm going to make it big someday" with absolutely no plan or basis for doing so is essentially a retard.
Even if they have a plan, they're fucking retarded. Most of the time the "plan" is this nebulous "I will work hard and be rewarded" concept that doesn't actually mean anything. Every once in a while the plan is the slightly more workable "I will go to business school and get an MBA and work in management for a corporation" which ends one of two ways for the common man with no family connections: way one is you're smart and have people skills so you work your way up through management and end up CEO of a small corporation with a salary less than $100k, way two is you're not that smart and you don't have much by way of people skills and you end up unemployed, or doing "small business consulting" which is a fancy way of saying that you're an out of work MBA.
Which scenario is more likely for our little pre-rich teabuddies? I'm gonna go with option 2, because anyone who thinks they're going to get rich with an MBA is obviously a fucking retard. What you're going to get is $200k in debt, and unemployed.
They expect to become rich because they're "exceptional". When asked about it, they holler shit about "innovation", which is libertarian for "Baby Jesus is gonna give me money". They're essentially Calvinists, even if they think they're atheist. The principles remain the same. God/The Universe/Ayn Rand loves them and will give them nice things. One day. Soon.
It's fascinating because even if they DO work hard and are smart and have good ideas and make something of themselves, they will still never be rich. They might be comfortably middle-class, but they will NEVER be in the tax brackets they scream about protecting. It's perfectly obvious, yet they never seem to have any concept of this reality. I don't think they're even capable of grasping that the "rich" they are deluded into thinking they will become have so much money that their annual salary is completely meaningless.
I mean, there's something kind of funny about the fact that even the engineers and physicists and chemist PhD's I know, for all their high level of education and the relatively high status of their careers, will never break $200k/year. Ever. If I get into the program I want and become a wildly successful researcher and travel the world on speaking tours, the only way I'll ever break $200k is if I write a book and it makes the bestseller list. Going to school and working hard isn't how you get rich, you get rich by being born into a rich family. A brief glance at the statistics for intergenerational economic mobility will tell you that, even if you don't understand the processes behind it.
But to ADMIT that they aren't the exception is to admit that they're possibly not the main character.
Well, given that humans do experience life through a single pair of eyes, it can be quite a leap of faith to convince them that they are less than central to the plot of their lives...
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
No, I want my enemy to quit the field.
QuoteYou know, I used to be afraid of you when I was a kid: always figured the big evil roger from peedee would crawl out of the internet and smash all of my hippy dreams. Your misanthropy is actually enjoyable and engaging, come to find out.
Yes, Dirty Old Uncle Roger turns out to be mostly harmless. Certain people are shocked to learn this. Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Maybe.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:58:40 AM
Well, given that humans do experience life through a single pair of eyes, it can be quite a leap of faith to convince them that they are less than central to the plot of their lives...
There's 3 options when you die.
1. If the atheist tards are right, you just cease existing, so all that time you spent money-grubbing instead of fucking off was wasted.
2. If the religious tards are right, then libertarianism is an E-ticket to hell.
3. If I'M right, then God eats you, see option 1.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
No, I want my enemy to quit the field.
Still, I think they're compatable
Again, my position is that debate is for getting your opponent to do what you want...
You keep beginning with "I want my enemy to..."
Wait a minute? Am I really sitting here arguing about the point of arguing?
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
It's the easy way out, Roger. He can just pretend I don't exist, and then there isn't the discomfort of actually, y'know.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 02:25:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
It's the easy way out, Roger. He can just pretend I don't exist, and then there isn't the discomfort of actually, y'know.
It's because you're so damn
Nigel. You should work on that.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
No, I want my enemy to quit the field.
QuoteYou know, I used to be afraid of you when I was a kid: always figured the big evil roger from peedee would crawl out of the internet and smash all of my hippy dreams. Your misanthropy is actually enjoyable and engaging, come to find out.
Yes, Dirty Old Uncle Roger turns out to be mostly harmless. Certain people are shocked to learn this. Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Maybe.
I had a glimmer that you were OK when Little Billy was frying racist republican ass on Mystic Pricks.
And LMNO probably has about 30 IQ points on me. So yeah, he probably did.
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 02:26:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
No, I want my enemy to quit the field.
QuoteYou know, I used to be afraid of you when I was a kid: always figured the big evil roger from peedee would crawl out of the internet and smash all of my hippy dreams. Your misanthropy is actually enjoyable and engaging, come to find out.
Yes, Dirty Old Uncle Roger turns out to be mostly harmless. Certain people are shocked to learn this. Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Maybe.
I had a glimmer that you were OK when Little Billy was frying racist republican ass on Mystic Pricks.
And LMNO probably has about 30 IQ points on me. So yeah, he probably did.
You've both also met me in person.
I miss Little Billy. :sad: Poor bastard didn't have a chance.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:27:42 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 02:26:15 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:52:58 AM
You appear to be saying: I want my enemy to wet his pants and cry
No, I want my enemy to quit the field.
QuoteYou know, I used to be afraid of you when I was a kid: always figured the big evil roger from peedee would crawl out of the internet and smash all of my hippy dreams. Your misanthropy is actually enjoyable and engaging, come to find out.
Yes, Dirty Old Uncle Roger turns out to be mostly harmless. Certain people are shocked to learn this. Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Maybe.
I had a glimmer that you were OK when Little Billy was frying racist republican ass on Mystic Pricks.
And LMNO probably has about 30 IQ points on me. So yeah, he probably did.
You've both also met me in person.
I miss Little Billy. :sad: Poor bastard didn't have a chance.
They KILLED him.
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:26:00 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 02:25:19 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
It's the easy way out, Roger. He can just pretend I don't exist, and then there isn't the discomfort of actually, y'know.
It's because you're so damn Nigel. You should work on that.
I keep trying, but now none of the therapists in Portland will see me anymore. :sad:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Nigel's responses provided the same effect as your last one...
They hit deeper though -- harder to respond to...
I don't engage in politics directly -- scoffing at it and ridiculing it and debating it is easy, because in the end, politics are not something I actually do. Nigel, though, she presents economics...truth about economics to such a degree that it's hard to deal with directly. Unlike politics, all humans deal with economics directly at some scale.
I have been one of those poor free market idiots for so long...I see alot of truth in nigel's posts, so I do not debate them...I read them, I absorb their information, but I do not dare debate them because there is much truth in them.
There is a further reason, as well, for me not replying to nigel.
In the TN cuts benefits thread, I said some terribly rude things to/about nigel -- In truth, I respect her greatly (hell, I've been lurking here for years...the regulars here shaped my ideas about the world all through highschool) and that I've disrespected her so openly in a public forum has kinda got me sitting here cowering in shame: I dare not speak directly to her for I feel I said such rude things about her that any further words from me towards her would be insulting to her.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Nigel's responses provided the same effect as your last one...
They hit deeper though -- harder to respond to...
I don't engage in politics directly -- scoffing at it and ridiculing it and debating it is easy, because in the end, politics are not something I actually do. Nigel, though, she presents economics...truth about economics to such a degree that it's hard to deal with directly. Unlike politics, all humans deal with economics directly at some scale.
I have been one of those poor free market idiots for so long...I see alot of truth in nigel's posts, so I do not debate them...I read them, I absorb their information, but I do not dare debate them because there is much truth in them.
There is a further reason, as well, for me not replying to nigel.
In the TN cuts benefits thread, I said some terribly rude things to/about nigel -- In truth, I respect her greatly (hell, I've been lurking here for years...the regulars here shaped my ideas about the world all through highschool) and that I've disrespected her so openly in a public forum has kinda got me sitting here cowering in shame: I dare not speak directly to her for I feel I said such rude things about her that any further words from me towards her would be insulting to her.
You may find that an apology is a lot easier than it may seem.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Nigel's responses provided the same effect as your last one...
They hit deeper though -- harder to respond to...
I don't engage in politics directly -- scoffing at it and ridiculing it and debating it is easy, because in the end, politics are not something I actually do. Nigel, though, she presents economics...truth about economics to such a degree that it's hard to deal with directly. Unlike politics, all humans deal with economics directly at some scale.
I have been one of those poor free market idiots for so long...I see alot of truth in nigel's posts, so I do not debate them...I read them, I absorb their information, but I do not dare debate them because there is much truth in them.
There is a further reason, as well, for me not replying to nigel.
In the TN cuts benefits thread, I said some terribly rude things to/about nigel -- In truth, I respect her greatly (hell, I've been lurking here for years...the regulars here shaped my ideas about the world all through highschool) and that I've disrespected her so openly in a public forum has kinda got me sitting here cowering in shame: I dare not speak directly to her for I feel I said such rude things about her that any further words from me towards her would be insulting to her.
Well you just fucking proved me wrong, kid... :lulz:
I had bets on you not being bipedal enough to say ANY of the stuff you just said up there. Congrats! I will now eat my hat.
For the record, I really respect that you nutted up and said that. That was really courageous.
I'm gonna tell you a little secret about me, and that is that I forgive easily and don't hold grudges. So, you're OK by me. That was damn upright of you.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:33:13 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Nigel's responses provided the same effect as your last one...
They hit deeper though -- harder to respond to...
I don't engage in politics directly -- scoffing at it and ridiculing it and debating it is easy, because in the end, politics are not something I actually do. Nigel, though, she presents economics...truth about economics to such a degree that it's hard to deal with directly. Unlike politics, all humans deal with economics directly at some scale.
I have been one of those poor free market idiots for so long...I see alot of truth in nigel's posts, so I do not debate them...I read them, I absorb their information, but I do not dare debate them because there is much truth in them.
There is a further reason, as well, for me not replying to nigel.
In the TN cuts benefits thread, I said some terribly rude things to/about nigel -- In truth, I respect her greatly (hell, I've been lurking here for years...the regulars here shaped my ideas about the world all through highschool) and that I've disrespected her so openly in a public forum has kinda got me sitting here cowering in shame: I dare not speak directly to her for I feel I said such rude things about her that any further words from me towards her would be insulting to her.
You may find that an apology is a lot easier than it may seem.
With things that evoke real emotion from me, I get long winded and word things in the most incomprehensibly obscure way possible: guess its just a way to cope with shame.
Regardless, Nigel, I apologise for anything I've said against you...
I was going to say Nigel's great, just do the biped thing and it's all good, but she beat me to it.
Because she is also FAST.
And possibly omniscient. :lol:
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 02:40:27 AM
I was going to say Nigel's great, just do the biped thing and it's all good, but she beat me to it.
Because she is also FAST.
And possibly omniscient. :lol:
It was her recent promotion.
Hey guise! Now that I've displayed a slim glimmer of humanity, can I lose my epiteth of being naught but a randroid troll from totse, or is this simply asking too much? :lulz:
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:52:04 AM
Hey guise! Now that I've displayed a slim glimmer of humanity, can I lose my epiteth of being naught but a randroid troll from totse, or is this simply asking too much? :lulz:
Remains to be seen, but I'm willing to give you a shot.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:37:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:33:13 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:31:13 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:18:35 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:07:15 AM
Shit I derailed so hard...so um, how 'bout them nuisance laws? Any ideas on how to get those removed?
Well, first you have to get rid of all the humans that wanted nuisance laws.
That means pretty much everyone except that old deaf mute guy down the street, and I wouldn't be too sure about him.
I mean, seriously, VZ, who makes laws in America? The legislators. And WHY do they make endless laws? Because The People are too stupid to reelect do-nothing congressmen.
And if you tore it all up, people would just start building it again. Because humans are DUMB.
This is so depressingly true...so depressingly true that it makes the whole thing seem pointless. After reading this post, I now have this itch in the center-rear of my skull -- feels like where the cerebrum and the cerebellum connect -- anyway, this itch...it tickles in a funny way that just makes me laugh...seriously, I can't fucking stop chuckling at this. I mean, it's like when you have an itch that you just can scratch and the futility of the endeavour makes you do inanely goofy things in order to reach that one spot on your back -- but you still end up failing.
This post has given me the urge to insert a coat hanger into my ear in order to scratch this itch that's wedged between two surfaces of my brain. I absolutely can't stop laughing at this!
Rule #1: Monkeys.
There is no rule #2.
Gotta say, though, that I've noticed that you completely ignore Nigel's responses. Curious, here.
Nigel's responses provided the same effect as your last one...
They hit deeper though -- harder to respond to...
I don't engage in politics directly -- scoffing at it and ridiculing it and debating it is easy, because in the end, politics are not something I actually do. Nigel, though, she presents economics...truth about economics to such a degree that it's hard to deal with directly. Unlike politics, all humans deal with economics directly at some scale.
I have been one of those poor free market idiots for so long...I see alot of truth in nigel's posts, so I do not debate them...I read them, I absorb their information, but I do not dare debate them because there is much truth in them.
There is a further reason, as well, for me not replying to nigel.
In the TN cuts benefits thread, I said some terribly rude things to/about nigel -- In truth, I respect her greatly (hell, I've been lurking here for years...the regulars here shaped my ideas about the world all through highschool) and that I've disrespected her so openly in a public forum has kinda got me sitting here cowering in shame: I dare not speak directly to her for I feel I said such rude things about her that any further words from me towards her would be insulting to her.
You may find that an apology is a lot easier than it may seem.
With things that evoke real emotion from me, I get long winded and word things in the most incomprehensibly obscure way possible: guess its just a way to cope with shame.
Regardless, Nigel, I apologise for anything I've said against you...
All is forgiven! Thank you.
I want to make sure you know that when I was stereotyping you in whatever other thread that was, it was to drive a point and not because I believed it.
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:52:04 AM
Hey guise! Now that I've displayed a slim glimmer of humanity, can I lose my epiteth of being naught but a randroid troll from totse, or is this simply asking too much? :lulz:
I will do this. My body is ready.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 07:30:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:52:04 AM
Hey guise! Now that I've displayed a slim glimmer of humanity, can I lose my epiteth of being naught but a randroid troll from totse, or is this simply asking too much? :lulz:
I will do this. My body is ready.
:horrormirth:
Quote from: Pixie on April 30, 2013, 08:02:19 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on April 30, 2013, 07:30:40 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 02:52:04 AM
Hey guise! Now that I've displayed a slim glimmer of humanity, can I lose my epiteth of being naught but a randroid troll from totse, or is this simply asking too much? :lulz:
I will do this. My body is ready.
:horrormirth:
:spittake:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:28:03 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
When you find the perfect rebuttal, stick to it. Know what I mean?
I make no claims to originality, only effectiveness.
Besides, I've found arguing in good faith to be mostly an exercise in boredom, bad logic, rhetorical obsfucation and endless tautalogies. Might as well have some fun.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Lies. I knew he was a horrible, no-good bastard from day one. I could
smell it on him. But I did grasp the concept of "keeping your enemies close", so I clung tenaciously to his back hair, and tried to ignore the... things... nesting there.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 30, 2013, 03:25:07 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 02:02:26 AM
Others, like LMNO had me figured out from day one.
Lies. I knew he was a horrible, no-good bastard from day one. I could smell it on him. But I did grasp the concept of "keeping your enemies close", so I clung tenaciously to his back hair, and tried to ignore the... things... nesting there.
I am not responsible for any decon fees.
THEY HAD TOO MANY LEGS.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on April 30, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
THEY HAD TOO MANY LEGS.
Go tell Kai about it. I am not responsible. It's right in the small print.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on April 30, 2013, 01:32:58 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
Quote from: stelz on April 30, 2013, 01:21:17 AM
Quote from: Von Zwietracht on April 30, 2013, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Cain on April 30, 2013, 12:36:52 AM
I know, right? The abridged version of it that I sometimes use, "would it be permissible to sell yourself into slavery under a libertarian legal system?" tends to get me banned for trolling on libertarian blogs and communities. But not before creating a massively entertaining row.
This position, like the "lol somalia" rebuttle, is something right-libertarians hear too much of -- it's one of the stereotypical "obvious troll" arguments.
IOW, they're jujitsued into massive butthurt. :lulz:
Well, bluntly spoken, it's one of the things that exposes the flaws in their ideologies so directly that one either must put up the screen of "lol obvious troll" and ignore it, or face the harshest cognitive dissonnance possible. So yes, jujitsu'd into the most anally seeping butthurt imaginable!
Problem is, it's accurate. Somalia really IS the libertarian paradise, as libertarians explain their philosophy.
The libertarian response is that Somalia is doing better than it was with a strong central government, and this is true as far as most measurable metrics are concerned. The arguement is revealed as trolling when the person who brought it up refuses to pursue it any further.
"Lol Somalia" Doesn't seem like an accurate rebuttal because of that, the bit about selling yourself into slavery on the other hand, does. A system that allows the selling of anyone into slavery should not have the word liberty in it.
Those measurements are skewed though, because the only place in Somalia which has measurable metrics is Somaliland...which has a strong central government.
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
The libertarian response is that Somalia is doing better than it was with a strong central government, and this is true as far as most measurable metrics are concerned.
My response to that is that if this is the case, then Somalia should by now be well on the way to perfection.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:29:34 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
The libertarian response is that Somalia is doing better than it was with a strong central government, and this is true as far as most measurable metrics are concerned.
My response to that is that if this is the case, then Somalia should by now be well on the way to perfection.
Kind of hard when your starting point is rock bottom. Somalia was an absolute hellhole under a central government, now it's a near absolute hellhole without a central government. Giving the lack of a central government credit for improvement may be a mistake, but blaming it for the fact the place is a hellhole is just as much of a mistake.
Quote from: Pergamos on May 01, 2013, 12:34:28 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 12:29:34 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on April 30, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
The libertarian response is that Somalia is doing better than it was with a strong central government, and this is true as far as most measurable metrics are concerned.
My response to that is that if this is the case, then Somalia should by now be well on the way to perfection.
Kind of hard when your starting point is rock bottom. Somalia was an absolute hellhole under a central government, now it's a near absolute hellhole without a central government. Giving the lack of a central government credit for improvement may be a mistake, but blaming it for the fact the place is a hellhole is just as much of a mistake.
Well, here's where we get to the whole supply side economics-esque argument. How long does it take to succeed? Somalia has been a no-government paradise for more than 20 years. When does the fun start?
Also, I've spent a half hour looking into it, and Somalia is by no means better off than it was under Barre. It's a living nightmare. It's just that nobody hears about the horror because they have no means of communicating it, and because nobody gives a shit about them in the first place.
Funny story, one of the guys I work with claims to be from Somalia. I was eating lunch at the news table, (the one by the tv that always has CNN) and they're talking about gun control. He thinks gun control is silly. The town he's from only had one murder last year, and it was a stabbing. Everybody there has a dozen machine guns, and maybe some light anti-aircraft weapons, and everybody there leaves each other alone because everybody knows everybody else is armed to the teeth. The piracy problem has more or less gone away now, but European boats are the easiest targets because they are sissies and don't carry guns. American boats carry guns, so nobody messes with them.
I thought that was interesting.
Quote from: Emo Howard on May 01, 2013, 10:09:02 AM
Funny story, one of the guys I work with claims to be from Somalia. I was eating lunch at the news table, (the one by the tv that always has CNN) and they're talking about gun control. He thinks gun control is silly. The town he's from only had one murder last year, and it was a stabbing. Everybody there has a dozen machine guns, and maybe some light anti-aircraft weapons, and everybody there leaves each other alone because everybody knows everybody else is armed to the teeth. The piracy problem has more or less gone away now, but European boats are the easiest targets because they are sissies and don't carry guns. American boats carry guns, so nobody messes with them.
I thought that was interesting.
Oh, wow, my neighborhood only had one murder last year, and it was a stabbing too! So clearly Portland and Somalia are pretty much identical.
:lol:
Sounds like the UN still considers Somalia piracy a problem: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2012/sc10824.doc.htm
This article seems to have a different view on the crime rate from the guy you work with: http://somalilandpress.com/crime-rate-soars-in-somaliland-37410
But, you know, you work with a guy.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 01, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
But, you know, you work with a guy.
I know a guy who's brother's wife's cousin knows a guy.
Quote from: stelz on May 01, 2013, 06:24:53 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 01, 2013, 06:23:28 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 01, 2013, 05:23:33 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 01, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
But, you know, you work with a guy.
I know a guy who's brother's wife's cousin knows a guy.
I heard about a guy once.
I read that somebody heard about a guy.
But did you
READ ALL THE GUYS?
Guys?? GUYS.
I THINK ABOUT GUYS 19 HOURS A DAY
I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND ROCK BACK AND FORTH, AND FOAM GUYS OUT OF MY MOUTH
GUYS CAN SECRETLY FLY
GUYS SECRETLY RUN EVERYTHING AND OWN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
MY DOG IS SECRETLY A GUY. I SHAKE HIM FOR ANSWERS BUT HE WAS TAUGHT TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT.
GUYS CAN TELEPORT
JERRY SEINFELD IS A SPACE ALIEN WHO CAME FROM THE GUY MOTHERSHIP
GUYS OWN AND RUN EVERYTHING BUT THEY ARE NOT SMART, NO SIR, THEY ARE REALLYDUMB
I LIKE TO ACCUSE GUYS OF MANY THINGS AND THEN ACCUSE THEM OF WHINING WHEN THEY RESPOND TO MY ATTACKS
YOU ARE SECRETLY A GUY
EVERYONE IS A GUY
THERE ARE NO GUYS
HELP ME, THE VOICES IN MY HEAD FRIGHTEN ME
HOW COME GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS KNOW GUYS? I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND FUME ALL DAY LONG AND NEVER SOCIALIZE WHY DO I NOT KNOW ANY GUYS
OHHH MY HEAD HOW IT HURTS
GUYS ARE SECRETLY AFRAID OF FRUIT
WHERE IS MY MEDICATION?
I love you all so bad.
Quote from: Cain on May 01, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
Guys?? GUYS.
I THINK ABOUT GUYS 19 HOURS A DAY
I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND ROCK BACK AND FORTH, AND FOAM GUYS OUT OF MY MOUTH
GUYS CAN SECRETLY FLY
GUYS SECRETLY RUN EVERYTHING AND OWN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
MY DOG IS SECRETLY A GUY. I SHAKE HIM FOR ANSWERS BUT HE WAS TAUGHT TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT.
GUYS CAN TELEPORT
JERRY SEINFELD IS A SPACE ALIEN WHO CAME FROM THE GUY MOTHERSHIP
GUYS OWN AND RUN EVERYTHING BUT THEY ARE NOT SMART, NO SIR, THEY ARE REALLYDUMB
I LIKE TO ACCUSE GUYS OF MANY THINGS AND THEN ACCUSE THEM OF WHINING WHEN THEY RESPOND TO MY ATTACKS
YOU ARE SECRETLY A GUY
EVERYONE IS A GUY
THERE ARE NO GUYS
HELP ME, THE VOICES IN MY HEAD FRIGHTEN ME
HOW COME GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS KNOW GUYS? I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND FUME ALL DAY LONG AND NEVER SOCIALIZE WHY DO I NOT KNOW ANY GUYS
OHHH MY HEAD HOW IT HURTS
GUYS ARE SECRETLY AFRAID OF FRUIT
WHERE IS MY MEDICATION?
I'D SAY ALL THE GUYS ARE REPTILIANS BUT THEN THE GUYS WOULD HAVE TO KILL ME
See, I told you it was a funny story.
Quote from: Cain on May 01, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
Guys?? GUYS.
I THINK ABOUT GUYS 19 HOURS A DAY
I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND ROCK BACK AND FORTH, AND FOAM GUYS OUT OF MY MOUTH
GUYS CAN SECRETLY FLY
GUYS SECRETLY RUN EVERYTHING AND OWN EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE
MY DOG IS SECRETLY A GUY. I SHAKE HIM FOR ANSWERS BUT HE WAS TAUGHT TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT.
GUYS CAN TELEPORT
JERRY SEINFELD IS A SPACE ALIEN WHO CAME FROM THE GUY MOTHERSHIP
GUYS OWN AND RUN EVERYTHING BUT THEY ARE NOT SMART, NO SIR, THEY ARE REALLYDUMB
I LIKE TO ACCUSE GUYS OF MANY THINGS AND THEN ACCUSE THEM OF WHINING WHEN THEY RESPOND TO MY ATTACKS
YOU ARE SECRETLY A GUY
EVERYONE IS A GUY
THERE ARE NO GUYS
HELP ME, THE VOICES IN MY HEAD FRIGHTEN ME
HOW COME GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS WHO KNOW GUYS KNOW GUYS? I SIT IN MY BASEMENT AND FUME ALL DAY LONG AND NEVER SOCIALIZE WHY DO I NOT KNOW ANY GUYS
OHHH MY HEAD HOW IT HURTS
GUYS ARE SECRETLY AFRAID OF FRUIT
WHERE IS MY MEDICATION?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Who do you think made the wold what it is? You think it was God? You think it was random chance? NOO It was Guys!
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: