Long time alley lurker, first time pin-up poster.
I represent a group (or anti-group) of creatures who are playing with the balance between collectivism and individuality, art and reality, micro and macro and whatnot. What started on a night of acid, listening to KLF, and reading sections of the Principia, slowly evolved, from a concept unifying malcontents, non-conformists, beatniks, hermits and recluses through creative endeavours and Operation Mindfuck, into the loose band of hippies, rappers, box-kite enthusiasts, homeless folk, festival goers, and many other types of fringe dwellers, who all carry ASN membership cards today. Most of these folk are scattered through Melbourne, where the ASN began...
This is us announcing ourselves to the world. We have songs, art, magic and memes to share. And we need every Discordian who follows the premise to bring their influence to what we're doing because we've only just begun and it's an evolving concept.
I don't need to tell the Discordian faithful that this not for profit disorganisation I'm about to give you a link to, is more or less a type of Discordian cabal that has emerged by the will of none of the people who are involved. Believe me, no one really planned it this way. With every synchronicity that has led us to this moment, the presence of Goddess has become more and more apparent to some of the less initiated of the network. So it's about time you see what the ASN is all about before we start making more records, and paintings. It's only fair that you guys get in on the ground floor as far as cyberspace goes, fnord.
Welcome,
https://www.antisocialnetwork.org/
Hi there! It seems you or someone in your circle is a very bad person. In summary, I want nothing to do with this and I expect no one else will either. Observe:
Quote from: ASN FAQ
"If a tree fell in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" – If 6 million people got killed in a war in a jungle in Africa would anyone ever know about it?
Got "6 million" Nazi dog whistling AND completely independent and unrelated racism on top of that. You have it all!
I had the feeling it was terrible from the start, the writing was too *channy, but you guys really stuck your whole ass out there, didn't you? No thank you.
So.... an irreligious disorganization dedicated to promoting nothing in particular for reasons both obscure and monotonous, with a liberal helping of intentional and overwrought fnordism. Where there is nothing to say, no one to say it, and no one in the audience anyway, so if course it must be said loudly and on single-track repeat mode. Lots of 5s and 23s apparently because that's what's expected and the general message is "I don't want to be here so I have come to tell you about it."
I'm afraid the ASN has all the trappings of self-defeating (as opposed to creative) contradiction. Also the meme magic business is a bit too 4chan Wizard for my taste.
Cheers guys. I knew you would get it. Oh, and the 6 million dead reference... I guess you aint read 2023 yet.
I hate it when old things disguise as new things. Makes finding the next step sooo annoying.
Quote from: altered on January 26, 2020, 03:57:56 PM
Hi there! It seems you or someone in your circle is a very bad person. In summary, I want nothing to do with this and I expect no one else will either. Observe:
Quote from: ASN FAQ
"If a tree fell in the woods and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?" – If 6 million people got killed in a war in a jungle in Africa would anyone ever know about it?
Got "6 million" Nazi dog whistling AND completely independent and unrelated racism on top of that. You have it all!
I had the feeling it was terrible from the start, the writing was too *channy, but you guys really stuck your whole ass out there, didn't you? No thank you.
The second Congo war was the second deadliest conflict in human history, it occured in the African jungle, and I didn't know about it despite being a fairly politically aware person who was alive and politically aware while it was happening. I suspect that's what the poster was referring to. Not saying the ASN is any good, just giving some context on that particular quote.
"Please sign-up to this government watchlist: you get nothing, but it will make you feel edgy for 5 seconds."
Thank you Pergamos for shedding light on that for us. I really couldn't be bothered explaining that to people who are already intelligent enough to understand it in the first place, because to be honest, I thought the bloke was taking the piss!
Now I'm sitting here laughing at all the kids who know nothing about us but slagging us off in another bid to prove how smart they are. These people are why the ASN exists. DO NOT JOIN UP. DON'T EVEN VISIT.
And yes, we are government shills, but we won't tell you which government and we don't spend any time on chan sites so we can't refute claims related to the site looking too 'channy'.
Sorry guys I just don't get cyberspeak... this is the mos't interacting I've done online since the 90s. For some people Discordian simply translates as oppositional... believe me, that is truly self defeating.
So why oppose social networking? Well, look at this message board. I would love this conversation to be held in person... NO FURTHER COMMENT
Ya see children, like it or lump it, this conversation is not real. It is tainted by distance and anonymity. Thank you guys for reminding me why not to communicate in cyberspace.
And seeing as it has been mentioned. We actually have a lot to offer. Should we have to tell you exactly what those things are and when we are dishing thems up? That's a little too social for us ay. Maybe the person/s baiting me are the government agents?!?
We've already pressed a record and done an art installation. We have musicians spanning many genres, painters, animators, writers and more. We might even make shit available to people if you're bloody patient!
I won't bite again, just fkn relax and try to enjoy yourselves - be more Pronoid (It works)
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 01:28:56 AM
And yes, we are government shills,
We too are government shills. Only we're paid in Sorosbux. It's very complicated.
QuoteI won't bite again, just fkn relax and try to enjoy yourselves - be more Pronoid (It works)
Problem is, we have annoia. The overwhelming conviction that WE are out to get YOU.
Okay, I checked out the site.
It's very well done, but it is also 1965. It's not 1965 in your audience's world, though...They think it's 2020, and 2020 is terrifying. Humans can't stop running and looking over their shoulder long enough to enjoy some quality dadaism. It's hard to enjoy contradictory speech and pseudo-official absurdist comments when you're hiding from the mass shooter in a bathroom stall.
Or when you're being hauled off to indefinite detention at an ICE facility in the desert. Or the arctic (ho ho! You didn't here about that from me.)
Or when you only get "stabilization care" at the ER for whatever is wrong with you, and that costs $20,000.
Or your peaceful, idyllic island is mostly underwater.
Well, you get the point. While that website isn't badly done at all, it IS yesterday's message. Only satire isn't as funny when you and everyone you know are being hurled out of the airlock.
Gotta say, though, I like this:
Maybe one of the things they're not selling is the illusion of being able to help the world in any meaningful way.
Word, I thought it was a good quick web design for a bloke who has very little tech experience. Constructive criticism is appreciated.
We are not intellectuals either. This really is an ever-changing social experiment. I/We have much to learn.
uh oh
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 02:56:12 AM
Word, I thought it was a good quick web design for a bloke who has very little tech experience. Constructive criticism is appreciated.
We are not intellectuals either. This really is an ever-changing social experiment. I/We have much to learn.
There's nothing at all wrong with the design.
Just the content then. point taken. Shall be discussed at our next gathering.
You're alright mate. Isn't there a saying about communication only occurring between equals?
Cheers
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 03:34:59 AM
Just the content then. point taken. Shall be discussed at our next gathering.
You're alright mate. Isn't there a saying about communication only occurring between equals?
Cheers
I have always understood it as "communication only occurs in a non-punishing situation."
But close enough for government work.
First,
Not a "bloke". Understandable mistake, not going to make a thing out of it. Just for future reference.
Second,
The point being made in that FAQ entry is overshadowed by a very real, very current legion of morons who really do want a second Holocaust, and make shitty remarks about "the six million dead".
I looked into it when you initially responded to my statement, and found the apparently intended message. (Didn't have time to respond till now.)
Remember what the Doktor said about it being very 1965?
The problem is that this kind of message only works when your audience is a bunch of privileged people complaining about traffic. I.e., 1965.
Meanwhile, I'm homeless and considering how I'm getting food leading up to my next paycheck, and I'm beset on all side by Nazi goobers telling me how I and everyone I love deserve to die horribly and they're coming for us. I.e., 2020.
In other words, I wasn't your target audience, and the target audience doesn't really exist these days. We aren't oblivious to horrid shit going on elsewhere because we are insulated from it, but because we have our own horrid shit going on at home.
Not saying the two kinds of shit are comparable in degree, but in any situation where distant atrocities are competing for airtime with at-home survival needs, the survival wins. You can't care about the genocides if you die because you were depressed about it when you should have been panhandling for lunch.
Judging by your writing style here, you're a UKian of some flavor. It's quite possible that you've not seen the shit going around. I don't want to derail your thread any further here, but I'd be happy to get into why you might come across as a Nazi chud given your forum name and that FAQ entry, and why particularly around Discordianism I am a bit hair trigger about this shit.
Oh, right. This isn't a blaming-you thing, for the record: genuine offer to explain all this. It's esoteric and fucking stupid if you aren't already in it, you have perfectly good reasons to not know.
Finally,
The design is fine, as was said. It's a bit too bright and far too high contrast for my tastes, but it does what it needs to in every other way, and doesn't look horrible doing it. (Impressively, given you said you had no formal experience, it works well on mobile!)
I would recommend a dark mode and/or a lower contrast color choice, because white/black can cause eye strain. I'm personally fond of the Solarized color scheme, but I know for sure it isn't for everyone.
I have always understood it as "communication only occurs in a non-punishing situation."
But close enough for government work.
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I can dig it. Unfortunately some other folk have not been so polite. I can take a joke as well as the next but I guess some folk are just mean-spirited. I can't help but feel that there are people who use the yoke of Discordianism as an excuse for basically being an arsehole. I had looked forward to coming here for a laugh and plug a brand that draws influence from Discordia. Obviously representing the Anti Social Network is not about making friends but I think I'll stick around, even if the organs are failing as you so succinctly put it.
Thing is, the late 50s - early 60s were very much in the grip of order. So much so, in fact, that a different cut of suit in the office could get your fired. No kidding.
Now we've gone wayyyyy the hell to the other side of chaos, being extreme disorder. Requires different tactics.
For example, if you are trapped in a burning building, and the fire department is standing outside chanting "FNORD 23 LAMPSHADE SKIDOO," you are not going to value their input, or take it into account in any way other than to maybe curse them as you die.
And then this:
QuoteIn other words, I wasn't your target audience, and the target audience doesn't really exist these days. We aren't oblivious to horrid shit going on elsewhere because we are insulated from it, but because we have our own horrid shit going on at home.
At some point, we have to decide if this is all
1. End times porn.
2. A way to whistle past the graveyard, or
3. An attempt to change things up a bit.
Now, if you're a strict Erisian, you really have to be cheering on the Schindler's List Bloopers on the news, because this isn't a PATCH on what happened to humanity, on a per-capita basis last time she had a case of the ass. I mean, it CAN get worse, and the smart money bets that it will.
Yo Altered,
Sorry for misgendering. I did actually see your profile and should have known better.
I'm so genuinely sorry, if my comment has been misunderstood. I can't help you with that.
I did not come here to make friends. I didn't come to make enemies either.
I'm sorry but my PC fuse blew out 20 years ago and sometimes shit gets misconstrued. I don't don't have telepathy... yet.
It really wasn't any of the ASN's intention to do physical, mental, or spiritual harm on anyone.
It really seems though, that people here want to have something to hate. The ASN are good for that too.
Peace
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 04:04:37 AM
I can dig it. Unfortunately some other folk have not been so polite.
Typically, that was me. I have gotten a little old, though, and am perhaps a pint shy on venom these days.
QuoteI can take a joke as well as the next but I guess some folk are just mean-spirited. I can't help but feel that there are people who use the yoke of Discordianism as an excuse for basically being an arsehole.
Speaking candidly, that's the entire appeal to the whole thing, really.
QuoteI had looked forward to coming here for a laugh and plug a brand that draws influence from Discordia. Obviously representing the Anti Social Network is not about making friends but I think I'll stick around, even if the organs are failing as you so succinctly put it.
Sounds good. The thing to remember is that while this is discordia, it isn't the discordia you were expecting. Even if you WERE expecting it.
Just be glad Cramulus wasn't here. He and LMNO are sort of like the welcome wagon. Only it's on fire because it's electric and the battery exploded, and they are blocking your escape with their ridiculous mustaches.
I have to admit that the Cramulan HR method and the LMNO money-diddling philosophy does seem more appealing as time goes on.
We got your future, right here. All the future you can choke on. All the future YOU demanded, bigger and better, delivered before you even order it! Who are we?
We're the retro-pulp people. Some of you may have noticed that the future is beginning to look disturbingly like pulp novels and comics from the 1920s. That's no accident! Pain rays, killer robots, mind control, torture chambers, drug conspiracies, shadowy bad guys, everything just like you wanted it, faster and more efficient...and more REAL! Sure, the bad guys aren't mustachioed Chinese freaks or Nazis (may not apply in Portland or Boston), but our governments and corporations do a better job, on a lower bid! Who are we?
We're the Animal Farm people, growing a bumper crop of George Orwell's nightmares, just for you! Whether you're interested in giant, faceless collectives, or an all-controlling government, we have a program that suits you! How, you may ask, can we bring you all this future at yesterday's prices?
Simple. We use the technology of tomorrow on the monkeys of 200,000 years ago, to make your grandest nightmares into tomorrow's reality! This allows us to keep you AND our stockholders happy! And isn't that we all want? Happy stockholders? Sure, it's what the American Dream™ is all about! Who are we?
We're the "They" people. You've heard of our brand name, everywhere you go! "They'll get you.", "They'll hear you talking.", "They took Joey away, and his wife and kids, too!" Sound familiar? It will! And you wouldn't have it any other way.
Our marketing experts have pored over the data, and we've adapted our business model to give you, the consumer, what it is you're looking for. Nice Things™, White neighborhoods, paralyzing anxiety, and fear! Sound weird? Naw! Who doesn't like a scary movie? We all do...And now you can LIVE in that scary movie, with our patented Reality Distortion™ technique, by which we make the normal, workaday world into the sort of horror show you've always wanted. Who are we?
We're the window people. We look through your windows, to make sure nothing dangerous is happening. Oh, we know YOU aren't doing anything filthy dirty, but you know at least one of your neighbors is, and we have always believed in being fair! Who can complain about that?
We've even brought the window out of your house! You can have it anywhere, now! In your airports, on your streets, at every traffic light...There's nowhere smudgy terrorists can hide, and nowhere you'd WANT to hide, because you aren't like them. You want things shiny new bright happy better faster NOW, unlike those people walking. We're against them. Who are we?
We're the YOU people. We're you. Because you wouldn't have it any other way.
Or Kill Us.
I find it kind of ridiculous that you took "understandable mistake, no worries, just for the future" as "being PC".
Alternatively, you meant that as a response to the bulk of the post, which is nothing to do with "PC" or "not PC" and everything to do with dog-whistles you can put your foot in by accident. As I devoted a whole paragraph to explaining, complete with offer to explain the specifics in detail. It has nothing to do with intent or lack thereof, that's the entire point.
And I don't see anywhere in my post that looks like "something to hate" is what I'm after.
It's puzzling and a little ridiculous looking, really. Either you have decided I am the adversary by default because I stepped up critical and wrong, which, okay, I can oblige — or you are reading an alternate universe version of my post. Hell, I get that. Sometimes it's hard to remember what goes to which reality.
Oh Doktor Howl, I did expect a welcome wagon of sorts. That's fine - Mindfuck away whatever's clever.
I didn't have any expectations coming here. Actually that's a lie. I did expect a difference from other message boards, forums and social networking... now work with me a second cos that's essentially the topic... I genuinely didn't expect such sensitivity from people HERE. Wow. I guess it's only MY version of Discordia that encourages the thickness of skin. The degree of serious here does bug me a little BUT perhaps I could stand to tune back in a little too.
There was some shit you said there about watching the news and laughing at it while knowing the world is headed for worse times. That very much encapsulates Baltshazzar. I am not engaged. In saying that, people will think the ASN isn't hip to what's up. Well like is said on our website somewhere, we know the world's a mess, we even have a fair idea as to why it's a mess, but even the ASN will never agree on how to FEEL about what we know.
Peace.
Quote from: altered on January 27, 2020, 04:34:40 AM
I find it kind of ridiculous that you took "understandable mistake, no worries, just for the future" as "being PC".
Everyone wants discordia until it they get it.
Then it's all, "No. Not like that."
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 04:36:38 AM
I genuinely didn't expect such sensitivity from people HERE. Wow. I guess it's only MY version of Discordia that encourages the thickness of skin.
Self-destruct protocols engaged.
Pour a little out for my homie.
I don't mix words Altered,
Another misunderstanding that I do not have the time to clarify for you.
PEACE
Communication has now been subordinated to ego.
Let the usual shenanigans begin.
uh uh. I'll return. Can't live online mate. nigh night
WELL.
Aside from my first reply, I think this is the first time I've POLITED someone into hull damage.
I am why I cannot have nice things. :lol:
oh Altered, no one said you can't have me.
Seriously, no harm no foul. I will actually read your post properly tomorrow and give you a proper well thought out response.
I like you guys. You can't fuck me off that easy.
This is the point where LMNO usually bellows "DON'T PLAY ME A PUNK SONG!"
But he is fucking off in Europe with LMNOW. The UK, if I remember correctly. Because LMNO visits places where the money is about to go sideways. Is it any coincidence that he is there less than a month before the Brexit Bus is due to go flying off the embankment?
He'll be home by January 30th, his baggage full of shredded NDAs and stock balance sheets. And blood. So much blood. People will ask "Whatever happened to the ERG?," and we'll have to shush them, the Navkat way. And for the new guy, while Navkat may be the hotness, she is also a paramedic, and if there's anyone on this planet that knows how to FUCK YOU UP, it's a paramedic. One minute you're fine, the next you've been reverse engineered. Only now you don't bend the same ways.
It's worth mentioning that nobody knows if Navkat works for LMNO, or if she's just a freelance maniac, or maybe even just an opportunistic freelance maniac who has nothing at all to do with LMNO aside from the sort of relationship found between crocodiles and the Egyptian plover bird.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on January 27, 2020, 02:50:31 AM
Maybe one of the things they're not selling is the illusion of being able to help the world in any meaningful way.
OOF
Thanks for the link to the forum, I like your cabal,let us know if you have any operations or events on the go.
QuoteI genuinely didn't expect such sensitivity from people HERE. Wow. I guess it's only MY version of Discordia that encourages the thickness of skin.
This place has been nigh on perpetual conflict since day one, but generally if you come in without expectations and discuss stuff it goes well, its difficult to predict the reaction.
You come in nice and get hostility, pope pelvis comes in with an axe to grind and we ignored that and now we love him and hug him and will never let him go.
Hi, new person!
The UK is very interesting right now. For a place that's about to be both the fan and the shit, everyone seems pretty chill about it.
Then again, I spent most of the time studying the nth dimension monetary ley lines, trying to figure out what's causing the ox-bow near Carnaby.
Well you know Faust, I actually reread my first post and gawd is it tacky.
Also, first post - coming on to share a new idea... Pretty dumb of me in hindsight. But hey, I have little tact for those sorts of things. I'll learn. I will actually come back at some point with a diatribe to try to explain some misconceptions, which we never do, but we ain't about to be tarred with any right(or left) wing extremism. People can be forgiven for that misconception but anyway a lot of confusion about what might be said in jest and what is actual genuine expression has occured (and I wouldn't have it any other way).
And we certainly are working on an event... It'll be a while away, down in Melbourne. We are procrastinating types. Someone referred to the site as having a touch of Dada about it... Love the synchronicity. Only discovered Dada a couple years ago, and found that there was a name for what I was already engaged with! But for the sake of argument, the visual artists in this cabal are into Dada and Surrealism even if they refuse to call it those things because they refuse to be categorised... bloody artists, I dunno.
OK so first a personal response to Altered, with my most sincere apologies. I might be anti-social but it has more to do with not wanting to socialise than actually wishing harm upon society. I hope that gets us in the right direction.
The PC remark was about me in the sense that I should know better than assume an unknown entity is male - I just learnt something about myself. The remark was not a slight on you. But I can see how you misunderstood, as you misunderstood me once before that. And yes I am the child of a UK colony, and there is a difference in how we speak and type the English language! All good but please appreciate I was undergoing somewhat baptism by fire here (I know it could have been worse) and I did not proceed to read your entire post whilst grappling to respond to several posters. A little unfair by me in retrospect that you had put that time and effort in and now I know what poor netiquette that is. Now that I have read it, I can tell you that I am fairly aware (not fully) of that nazi bizzo you are referring to... I was horrified with what I learnt after the Christchurch massacre... I did know of its existence, but that's the first time I stared it in the eye. I have only been effected in the second or third hand by it, and for me to suggest that you were being oversensitive was ignorant, as I now know that this effects you deeply. Can we truce on that one? Because I am so far removed from thoughts of the holocaust (which is not a suggestion of irreverence for the fact) that I honestly missed the 6 million reference (in fact it got by a dozen of us). I really thought you were kidding on the first post. Could I be forgiven on that too? I mean my first post on a Discordia forum, I'm sorta expecting someone to fuuk with me ay.
Now, I certainly understand your concern of not giving airtime to frivolity over matters of importance. I can dig that. I spent my time on this planet trying to be of service to my fellow man and woman, through my art and through my actions. The ASN is about having a laugh though. And maybe, we're not as funny as we think we are. So I'm happy to say I learnt something from you and several others here. And I hope I haven't completely wasted your time. And all mindfuckery aside, no harm intended from this side. If I somehow managed to make good with this post, I did not intend for that either.
And as for the website, whoa, thank you, I told em it was too bright. We are actually taking all this onboard! But I'm dropping ASN from the discussion just as soon as we clear up the misconceptions.
Peace
Hi BattleshartzR, I love the website
it's REFRESHING to see a bunch of us getting together in a physical space and making a disgusting mess of things
These days, my cabal is all spread out, decentralized, we rarely meet in person except for at my annual MOOSEMAS party - so I'm just glad that the Discordian Society is still out there, way out there, in person.
I extremely like your proposal of rejecting the social network, favoring more direct and less aggregated forms of communication. For a while, I've been daydreaming about cabals that exchange snail mail - because communications that you experience in the physical 3D meat world have a different quality than words exchanged online. We could have a different conversation via snail mail than we could via e-mail. And maybe cabals need to adopt this protocol - to send physical texts, physical art, let our exchanges become a living collage, an electric current.
Can I help in any way? I could mail you cats some absurd posters (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/PosterGASM%20Collection%20Volume%20Dingus.pdf) to put up?
Hey, you came back without a bunch of inflamed ass! Nice!
So, first thing is first: there’s no need to ask for truce or forgiveness or whatever. There was no personal attack in it, so there was no personal butthurt. I am amused, not upset. Consider such requests granted by default unless I turn into a sarcastic ad hominem machine.
Now, let’s talk about the Funny. It’s dead. The new hotness is laughing at your demise because what the fuck else can you do about it? (And if there is something else, doing that first.)
The Funny died when levity died. There’s nothing light and airy about anything anymore. If it’s not Nazis trying to mansplain genocide as a good thing TO THE EVENTUAL VICTIMS, it’s our climate trying to kill us because of JUST ABOUT LITERAL Captain Planet villains, for fuck’s sake. That’s heavy as fuck. Thing is, it’s also morbidly hilarious. Instead of Funny, we have one part gallows humor (remember the rule of that one, though...) and one part “CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS SHIT?”
That last one is the most common for me these days. I don’t need to be surrealistic when my country is run by a coked-out failed rich person playing Scumbag Mob Boss with literal neo-Nazi minions. A straightforward description of any major thing happening in the world sounds like word salad from another dimension. As recently as 2007 I could never have foreseen where we were headed. And I owe my dim possibility of awareness after 2007 entirely to the folks here who are ahead of the curve.
So your humor isn’t landing, because you’re doing the equivalent of performing knock-knock jokes written by first graders to a tired, drunken, exhausted knot of regulars in an “experimental” comedy club. We’re looking grey and stony-faced at you, occasionally slopping cheap liquor down our throats without moving anything above the nose, fixedly staring at your set when minutes before someone blasted his own balls off with a thing of det cord and chewed on them while grinning like a lunatic.
Absolutely none of this is your fault, of course. You never could have seen this crowd coming, a crowd who has seen it all, seen it worse, and accepted it. Despite it not being your fault, you will not coax a laugh from us. You can’t. We have become numb to subtlety and require violent application of live wasps to the face before we start to smile.
We are staring blankly, waiting for the part where we laugh.
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 01:03:58 PM
Well you know Faust, I actually reread my first post and gawd is it tacky.
Also, first post - coming on to share a new idea... Pretty dumb of me in hindsight. But hey, I have little tact for those sorts of things. I'll learn. I will actually come back at some point with a diatribe to try to explain some misconceptions, which we never do, but we ain't about to be tarred with any right(or left) wing extremism. People can be forgiven for that misconception but anyway a lot of confusion about what might be said in jest and what is actual genuine expression has occured (and I wouldn't have it any other way).
And we certainly are working on an event... It'll be a while away, down in Melbourne. We are procrastinating types. Someone referred to the site as having a touch of Dada about it... Love the synchronicity. Only discovered Dada a couple years ago, and found that there was a name for what I was already engaged with! But for the sake of argument, the visual artists in this cabal are into Dada and Surrealism even if they refuse to call it those things because they refuse to be categorised... bloody artists, I dunno.
It is worth mentioning that every single dadaist worth mentioning died in the trenches in world war one.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
Hi BattleshartzR, I love the website
it's REFRESHING to see a bunch of us getting together in a physical space and making a disgusting mess of things
These days, my cabal is all spread out, decentralized, we rarely meet in person except for at my annual MOOSEMAS party - so I'm just glad that the Discordian Society is still out there, way out there, in person.
I extremely like your proposal of rejecting the social network, favoring more direct and less aggregated forms of communication. For a while, I've been daydreaming about cabals that exchange snail mail - because communications that you experience in the physical 3D meat world have a different quality than words exchanged online. We could have a different conversation via snail mail than we could via e-mail. And maybe cabals need to adopt this protocol - to send physical texts, physical art, let our exchanges become a living collage, an electric current.
Can I help in any way? I could mail you cats some absurd posters (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/PosterGASM%20Collection%20Volume%20Dingus.pdf) to put up?
Despite Cramulus's odious habits and unremitting cruelty, he's right on this. I still do snail mail rants when the mood takes me, or whenever I am banned from Facebook (55% of any given 12 month period).
It's a great deal of fun, but you have to accept that your audience is about 1% that of even the deadest of boards (by which I mean "PD").
Quote from: altered on January 27, 2020, 02:32:28 PM
Absolutely none of this is your fault, of course. You never could have seen this crowd coming, a crowd who has seen it all, seen it worse, and accepted it. Despite it not being your fault, you will not coax a laugh from us. You can't. We have become numb to subtlety and require violent application of live wasps to the face before we start to smile.
We are staring blankly, waiting for the part where we laugh.
The Audience is NOT listening. The Audience is braying talking points at itself, no matter what country you are in. The cause of this is, of course, social media. The ability for a hundred million people to mindlessly regurgitate whatever it is that they have been told, on any subject whatsoever but MOSTLY about how those OTHER FUCKERS did all this and boy howdy, are they gonna
pay.
It's awe-inspiring to watch. Example: It has become impossible to deny that Russia fucked around in our 2016 election. At the exact moment that the shrink-wrap media discovered that they couldn't keep a straight face while denying that it happened, the spin doctors started claiming - on no evidence whatsoever - that the Ukraine had also meddled in our elections. The fact checkers didn't even have a chance to say "WTF?" before
63 million people were discussing it as accepted fact. Due to the echo chamber brain restructuring of social media, you can't even correct them, and every single time you try
with the same person you have to start all over again.
And it's not just politics. It's everything. My last Facebook ban ended this morning, and I am more than tempted to stay away. In fact, I am dreading logging in tonight. I wouldn't, except that I hate people and I want to ruin their online experience. But I have been banned for 60 of the last 80 days, and I am actually HAPPIER than I was when I had the blue monster available. But return I shall, because it's the end of the world, my dude. Try to have a good time.
Quote from: LMNO on January 27, 2020, 01:01:10 PM
Hi, new person!
The UK is very interesting right now. For a place that's about to be both the fan and the shit, everyone seems pretty chill about it.
Then again, I spent most of the time studying the nth dimension monetary ley lines, trying to figure out what's causing the ox-bow near Carnaby.
The greatest blessing that humans have ever received is the ability to ignore the future in a way that makes chickens look like master planners.
I'm all for escaping the pressures of our collapsing world order through absurdism, I just don't think recirculating the specific absurdism of 60 years ago is particularly worthwhile. I don't feel nostalgia that strongly. And while I admire the ASN's anti-social-networking ethos, I don't have a compelling reason to participate in... whatever it is, anyway. And truthfully, the human soul has transmigrated to the internet. Insisting on meat-based interaction and communicating with muscular and diaphragmical effort seems antiquated and unlikely to promote the delusion that we are Making A Difference™, which is an important vitamin in the diet of the modern, connected biped.
OK. This is last to be said for ASN COMMUNICATIONS. Fuck those guys. It goes like this...
So the group nominates me to drop you a link, knowing that I can't help but engage. The person in this mob with the least online communication skills of all, comes to Discordia and the rest of the crew have a grouse laugh at my expense. Fuuk social experiments (that was for lack of a better term Vex!), I hope no one thought they were the subject of a social experiment. I was the subject. Some of you may have got a laugh on me but not like Name Pending and Don't know as I type this. Really, fuck them. To let you in on the gag, I have refuted social networking and smartphones forever, I am a stick in the mud in that sense, but I'm always trying something new. I love to learn. Last week I built my first (admittedly shoddy) website. I won't say how old I am - just old enough to be bitter and jaded for fuuk's sake. Yesterday's challenge was to introduce ASN to a message board and respond to all criticism and questions. I failed triumphantly... though from an anti social-network perspective it was a tremendous success. So fuck them. I hereby renounce my membership to the ASN.
So fuuk the ASN. I'll take the logo off (don't even remember putting it there!) Discordians are not necessarily Anti Social, nor are all of our network Discordians. It's actually a relatively small section of us who are massively influenced by the Principia and all Discordian works up to the 2023 Trilogy - which we are sorta sad to hear that the book ain't got much love from anyone on this site?!? This experience actually reminds me of going to a screening of Why did the K-Foundation burn a million pounds at an "Anarchist" club. I figured, surely these people know of Discordia, shit, Robert Anton Wilson had introduced Eris to his Anarchist movement of the day. If these guys in 2017 were unaware of Eris, I may gently nudge them toward the Principia... Well the shitstorm it caused. And they too, thought I was working for one of the local right-wing nationalist groups in my area - just for saying 'hey you may or may not be down with this shit'. They thought I was there to sew Discord and suggested I should not return... sound familiar? Gotta love a good synchronicity!!
Reading my first post, now that I've taken my Benzos (thanks for reminding me to take my meds Doktor (whoa, I did not intend that pun but don't dare pardon it)), I can see it's a bit shilly. For fuuk's sake man, get it together. People's first impression of the ASN is a lack of creativity and way too much enthusiasm. Well that's what I'm seeing now that I'm an observer. Well played Eris. Well played. Oh and this is not self-defeatist mode. What we are, in the ASN, is self-deprecating til the cows come home. But to be fair, it is a fair Aussie thing to self-deprecate, perhaps it's even a Colonial thing. I only mention it because I think a lot is lost in translation due to this paradigm.
So yeah, I won't engage as an ASN member here again, but the people on this side of the keyboard here have all learnt about themselves. This experience has taught us much. And we hope you see the paradox in an Anti Social-Network coming to a message board which, granted, is not F@cey or !nsta but it's fair to say that people on this forum share some sort of regular interaction with each other. This was as far as I would let them send me. To go on F@ceb**k is like Anathema to me (shudders). So ASN thanks the people of this forum. You can think it's a con all you like but like I told Altered, we are anti social in the sense that we don't socialise much, not in the sense of actively working against society. It's not for everybody.
Fact is, We've dealt with far too many suicides, and the common denominator is most often loneliness and isolation (in our collective experience). Do you know how hard it is to convince people to engage with the world once they're past the point of no return? I'm sure most people do know, and apologies if discussing it is painful for others. ASN has been adopted by many who just need to know they're not alone in being alone. We never realised it til now, but I guess we, in the inner sanctum at least, are something of a support group for each other. So if you really need to squeeze meaning out of this movement, there it is. It's not our thing to get that deep but I feel that's not something anyone should be confused about. And there is a shared (but not universal) disdain for the psychology that drives humans to post/like/comment/share/repeat. And perhaps telling a message board that sort of thing could be seen as an attack on your psyche. This could not be further from our intent.
I'll say this though, I enjoy the banter around here. So if I cease advocating the Church of the ASN, I would very much like to hang around and, heaven forbid, maybe interact in cyberspace. If I've met any folk online that are worth a bunch of keystrokes it's the people I've encountered in the past 24 even if it wasn't without its confusion... wait, hold up.
Oh and while I think of it Vex, please may I use this on the website? I know you probably meant the opposite but no, "one of the things we're NOT selling is the illusion of being able to help the world in any meaningful way". Our egos don't support the ability to help the world in a truly meaningful way (well actually, a couple of us actually do, but that's their individual crusades) so we do not sell that illusion. Oh we can try, but things never go as planned so it's safer to just change what we can when we can, and that's usually ourselves because I am the only person I have authority over. Besides, who the fuuk are we to decide what 'help' this world needs? There's a lady sitting next to me who thinks she knows. There's a bloke a suburb away from me who has a definite plan too. I won't shit on anyone's idealism - I envy it! Onya too, if you think you have the answers. I'd like to hear them some time. Not on this thread though. This thread was a mistake... I was meant to slime my way around the forums for a year, making connections with other users and then bring the concept to you when I'd earned your trust... But that sounds too much like social networking – and even more like shilling.
The final word from the ASN is this:
ASN actually stands for nothing. It was just easier that way when several people of varying degrees of Discordian influence gathered in one room for 24 hours with a pile of substance and flying through concepts. You sorta had to be there. At any rate, when artistic types get together and are bored shitless, Another Silly Notion is born. No one really knows how it started, at this point we don't know where we're going but we're pretty sure we'll know exactly where we're going when we get there. Alright Stop Now. Peace
Yes Doktor very much worth mentioning. I'll research further. And excuse my lack of ability to do that thing people do with the quotes. Yep.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2020, 02:30:34 PM
Hi BattleshartzR, I love the website
it's REFRESHING to see a bunch of us getting together in a physical space and making a disgusting mess of things
These days, my cabal is all spread out, decentralized, we rarely meet in person except for at my annual MOOSEMAS party - so I'm just glad that the Discordian Society is still out there, way out there, in person.
I extremely like your proposal of rejecting the social network, favoring more direct and less aggregated forms of communication. For a while, I've been daydreaming about cabals that exchange snail mail - because communications that you experience in the physical 3D meat world have a different quality than words exchanged online. We could have a different conversation via snail mail than we could via e-mail. And maybe cabals need to adopt this protocol - to send physical texts, physical art, let our exchanges become a living collage, an electric current.
Can I help in any way? I could mail you cats some absurd posters (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/PosterGASM%20Collection%20Volume%20Dingus.pdf) to put up?
Favourite so far,
BAGPIPE AND ACCORDIAN BAND SEEKS CHOIR
OF GIBBERING GOBLINS. CONTACT ERIS AT
PRINCIPIADISCORDIA
And hey, cabals should be able to transcend reality if they want to. We do our thing in the meat world, as you put it. No one is knocking the kind of exchange of ideas going on here. I think it's safe to say a message board is a far different culture to the likes of F@cey etc.
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
So the group nominates me to drop you a link, knowing that I can't help but engage. The person in this mob with the least online communication skills of all, comes to Discordia and the rest of the crew have a grouse laugh at my expense. Fuuk social experiments (that was for lack of a better term Vex!), I hope no one thought they were the subject of a social experiment. I was the subject.
I figured :lol:
tell lys we said hi
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
So the group nominates me to drop you a link, knowing that I can't help but engage. The person in this mob with the least online communication skills of all, comes to Discordia and the rest of the crew have a grouse laugh at my expense.
You have friends like I have friends. :lulz:
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2020, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
So the group nominates me to drop you a link, knowing that I can't help but engage. The person in this mob with the least online communication skills of all, comes to Discordia and the rest of the crew have a grouse laugh at my expense. Fuuk social experiments (that was for lack of a better term Vex!), I hope no one thought they were the subject of a social experiment. I was the subject.
I figured :lol:
tell lys we said hi
Oh, you're fucking kidding me. :crankey:
Born alone and die alone. Try to have fun in between.
The ASN have now left the building. And it's time for this guy to have his diazepam and keep cycling through these posters.
Yeah, I sorta realised what what going on half way through. The whole time figuring people on here were fucking with me when it was the people beside me. Like a wiser person once told me "Everyone wants Discordia til they find it" or something along those lines. I'm having way too much fun though, so rather than blither on about the Alien Sex Nectar or whoever they are today, I will catch you fine and wretched Discordian folk alike around the other forums.
Now if you don't mind I have three households who need all of their cutlery misplaced in the middle of the night.
well anyway, you seem like an upstanding discordian - I hope you stick around
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 03:38:49 PM
Born alone and die alone. Try to have fun in between.
The ASN have now left the building. And it's time for this guy to have his diazepam and keep cycling through these posters.
Yeah, I sorta realised what what going on half way through. The whole time figuring people on here were fucking with me when it was the people beside me. Like a wiser person once told me "Everyone wants Discordia til they find it" or something along those lines. I'm having way too much fun though, so rather than blither on about the Alien Sex Nectar or whoever they are today, I will catch you fine and wretched Discordian folk alike around the other forums.
Now if you don't mind I have three households who need all of their cutlery misplaced in the middle of the night.
Yeah, you were basically set up. And not just to fuck with you.
You were weaponized.
If it were me, payback would be on the way. But I am a vicious old man who never really adjusted to this kinder, gentler time.
To be fair Doktor, I was probably in on the planning to set me up, and then forgot about it, or conveniently ignored it. Nonetheless, I'm not too old to get at them for exploiting my fucking horrible lapse of judgement. I'm a very basic man though Doktor, I'll dream up something creative.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2020, 03:44:24 PM
well anyway, you seem like an upstanding discordian - I hope you stick around
um I've been warned against joining any group that would have me as a member... but what the hey I've already self-sabotaged once in the past 24 hours.
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 04:27:28 PM
To be fair Doktor, I was probably in on the planning to set me up, and then forgot about it, or conveniently ignored it. Nonetheless, I'm not too old to get at them for exploiting my fucking horrible lapse of judgement. I'm a very basic man though Doktor, I'll dream up something creative.
I am not a fan of Felix/Lys, so don't hold back on my account.
Honestly, that warning doesn't really apply here. That phrase, "don't join any group who wants you," is more of a "cult vaccine" than anything: either you're vulnerable to manipulation or you've got a history that makes you unpalatable, and either way most groups who are into that sort of thing are as welcome as scabies.
We, on the other hand, just appreciate bipedality. That is to say, the ability to say "I'm wrong" and course correct. You've demonstrated it DESPITE our misinterpreting your bedtime as butthurt ball-taking. I've seen regulars light a rectal blowtorch in response to that sort of thing, even knowing they were going to get tarred with that brush beforehand. So, not exactly easy mode.
So you're welcome here, in my book: not a total dipshit, and not down to show off inflamed ass at the slightest hint of confrontation. Good shit, good shit, and all too rare.
On the flip side, you'll find that we always assume the worst of everyone because it's always the most hilarious option. In other words: you aren't a "member" of any group here because we will absolutely turn and cannibalize the fuck out of anyone at the drop of a hat. It's practically a law of PeeDee physics. No one is safe.
Unlike cults, who make it both tough to get in and tough to leave, we're just tough to be around at all. Much like the guy on public transit who smells like a ripe corpse and begs you for a cigarette but doesn't have the energy to get annoying about it.
You menition a member in Melbourne and the others mention lys/felix, would that be him?
He totally set you up.
Tell him we were super nice to you, welcoming, and that if lys ever shows up again we are going to feed him to a wood chipper
Quote from: Faust on January 27, 2020, 05:07:28 PM
You menition a member in Melbourne and the others mention lys/felix, would that be him?
He totally set you up.
Tell him we were super nice to you, welcoming, and that if lys ever shows up again we are going to feed him to a wood chipper
Yes, this. Feet first.
Otherwise it's a terrible mess.
I'm afraid these Discordians are not the one's you're thinking of. At least not bloody likely. This really was a mistake encouraged by the group of people I know, who understand that I don't roll well online at the best of times. In more conventional settings I can, and do, run a muck and generally make a c#nt of myself (I'm careful with the C word as I know the world outside Australia consider it harsh - but it's the only word that fits here) and it's hard for me to stay above the level of a troll to be honest. So they pick me as the person to bring the concept over here and I agree without thinking. They say it's best I do it for two reasons. Number 1. I have lurked around this page for a couple years, mainly getting ammo for personal psychedelic fuelled meme wars and Number 2. because I built the website and this was something I apparently should be doing.
It's all for the best, I actually have enjoyed the interaction on these forums. My shrink's been at me for years to find people weirder than me.
Quote from: altered on January 27, 2020, 05:00:33 PM
Honestly, that warning doesn't really apply here. That phrase, "don't join any group who wants you," is more of a "cult vaccine" than anything: either you're vulnerable to manipulation or you've got a history that makes you unpalatable, and either way most groups who are into that sort of thing are as welcome as scabies.
Too right. Just a go-to phrase I spose. oh and bed wasn't exactly sleep but rather life ensued... certainly no butt-hurt as you put it, I was laughing about the whole thing until I returned, actually read your post and was kinda like "fuck, that's kinda serious, this deserves my full attention". No apologising OK. But let me say when I've been humbled!
Now, it is time for actual sleep, not like that fake sleep I had earlier.
Fkn hats off to all you c#nts. You kept my attention well into 4am. I guess the day is starting for y'all, so have a good one. Or don't. It was just a suggestion! Peace
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
(I'm careful with the C word as I know the world outside Australia consider it harsh - but it's the only word that fits here)
Where I grew up, it's
punctuation.
And a couple of years ago, saying it here would have been the end of the world. Now days, it will at most get you talked about.
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
I can, and do, run a muck
I haven't spent a lot of time on MUCKs, but I've lost years of my life to MUDs.
:p
Hey if the word is more acceptable in the US these days, and if you can handle rap - in an Australian accent (don't blame you if you can't), then here is an example of how much said word is ingrained in Australian parlance. And no, I'm not shilling an ASN artist. I just think of this song every time this little culture shock used to occur. Cunt is really just a word for person where I grew up. It's when the T is emphasised that the word has aggressive intent. So for example " Jake, the cunt, he was crossing the road, when suddenly this cyclist cunt runs over his shoe. So he yelled out "Hey cunt, how bout you watch where you're going!" and by this point, every cunt's watching, and the cyclist stops and turns and says, "What cunt?" "You heard me cunT" - pause... now, and right now, Jake has challenged the cunt on the bicycle to a fight. We are an articulate bunch all the way down here in the Pacific.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxY4wK76-I
Quote from: Cramulus on January 27, 2020, 06:08:31 PM
Quote from: Baltshazzar the Unhinged on January 27, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
I can, and do, run a muck
I haven't spent a lot of time on MUCKs, but I've lost years of my life to MUDs.
:p
I probably dropped a hundred hours writing mods for Ancient Anguish.
I'm normally the PC police in these parts and cunt is perfectly acceptable to me. Don't censor yourself, we're pretty tolerant of aggressive language.
If you start dropping legit slurs, on the other hand, give us a heads up so we can go to get the specialty, artisan sledge hammers to thwack you with. That's all I ask.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 27, 2020, 02:36:00 AMProblem is, we have annoia. The overwhelming conviction that WE are out to get YOU.
I thought Annoia was the goddess of stuck drawers
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on February 03, 2020, 04:05:07 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on January 27, 2020, 02:36:00 AMProblem is, we have annoia. The overwhelming conviction that WE are out to get YOU.
I thought Annoia was the goddess of stuck drawers
:bacon:
I went to look at reviews for an episode of season two of Sex Education, a show I'm watching, and I encountered a 50% review which read thusly:
"The second they blatantly left out the 'cool on christ' line from wang chung's 'dance hall days' i began to questions the shows motives... liked season 1 but this show is clearly doin what it can to cater to a specific audience. Even if everything but that was good, id still question the integrity of the filmmakers after such a deliberate emission. It was clearly intentional, and for a show that appears to have good, 'ground breaking' intentions, it made me question their integrity. I was raised a christian but i still just want people to be honest. idc if your religious or atheist, it was as pathetic as any emission I've seen to leave out the line 'we were cool on christ' to not stir the pot..."
I was intrigued by this because... things, etc., whatever.. I'm doing. I searched the lyrics, I searched the song, I searched the bit of the show where the the song is featured. This is what I found. the lyric is actually "cool on craze" (neither reading makes a lot of sense), and the show does cut away immediately before the "cool on craze" line, quite obviously to fit the flow of the scene, this is a common practice on TV shows. and yet we have someone giving the 2nd season of the show a 50% grade based solely on the fact that they "censored" the line "cool on christ", which wasn't the line, and which wasn't censored. this is the world we circumnavigate. this is the world we perambulate.
Quote from: Odibex Grallspice on May 04, 2020, 12:26:17 PM
I went to look at reviews for an episode of season two of Sex Education, a show I'm watching, and I encountered a 50% review which read thusly:
"The second they blatantly left out the 'cool on christ' line from wang chung's 'dance hall days' i began to questions the shows motives... liked season 1 but this show is clearly doin what it can to cater to a specific audience. Even if everything but that was good, id still question the integrity of the filmmakers after such a deliberate emission. It was clearly intentional, and for a show that appears to have good, 'ground breaking' intentions, it made me question their integrity. I was raised a christian but i still just want people to be honest. idc if your religious or atheist, it was as pathetic as any emission I've seen to leave out the line 'we were cool on christ' to not stir the pot..."
I was intrigued by this because... things, etc., whatever.. I'm doing. I searched the lyrics, I searched the song, I searched the bit of the show where the the song is featured. This is what I found. the lyric is actually "cool on craze" (neither reading makes a lot of sense), and the show does cut away immediately before the "cool on craze" line, quite obviously to fit the flow of the scene, this is a common practice on TV shows. and yet we have someone giving the 2nd season of the show a 50% grade based solely on the fact that they "censored" the line "cool on christ", which wasn't the line, and which wasn't censored. this is the world we circumnavigate. this is the world we perambulate.
Around here, we don't criticize Wang Chung.