Principia Discordia

Year 23 Imperitivae


A few years back I wanted (and failed) to write a grimoire with Discordian ideas.  This developed into a side path , so I categorize it as a Cabal.  Here I will lay this egg (thinking of the arcade game Joust).  It is meant for people who like Discordianism and grimoiric magick, but are kind of bored with the Principia after a while, and don't actually like that traditional grimoires are always Christian and Jewish.  So this thread will detail some of my ideas.

This side path is entirely about the 73 day seasons.  Instead of looking at seasons as seasons, view seasons more like years with repeating holidays.  The enduser creates holidays that repeat in a much easier time frame than 365.  This develops into a time magic that is sort of like astrological magic, except within a 73 day loop. 

Design the holidays to be something changing every season, for a sense of non-permenance , for a sense of changeableness.  The enduser creating the details of holidays, looping, and linked to specific homemade rituals, the details of which change every season.

From Agrippa talking about ancient Rome, three types of holidays:  Stativae, Conceptivae, Imperitivae


Stativae are holidays fixed at a certain date every time, the 5th, the 50th.   Holidays on the same day every year are Stativae.  These become boring in time, and removed and new ones created.

Conceptivae are moving holidays, for example Christian Easter was a Conceptivae.  Moving holidays connect easily to chaos.  Moving holidays can be determined with dice, divination tools, "second monday of the month", etc.

Imperitivae were holidays declared by the Emperor, suddenly and possibly one-time only.  Within this side-path, declare Imperitivae holidays for sudden seemingly impoertant reasons.  For example, I declare Year 23 Imperitivae, from new years 2023 until new years 2024. 



This connects to astrology.  Stativae are Fixed Stars, Conceptivae are Planets, Imperitivae are Comets.   
Also the Zodiac.  Conceptivae are Mutable, Stativae are Fixed, Imperitivae are Cardinal. 

Use of these ancient style holidays within the 73 day Order pattern is intended to create an easy sense of changable control for the solitary enduser.

Use of the 12-sided dice for divination and numerical randomness.  Ancient Pythagoras worshipped the 12-sided dice, called the Dodecahedron.  The Principia says Pythagoras is Archangle Pythagoras.  This implys Arcangle Pythagoras as an Order entity, and really Discordianism seems to have a sympathy for drug mathematicians.   

The Dodecahedron is useful to obtain 2, 3, 4, 6, 12.  Used alongside simply choosing something from a group, the default "whatever the dice says" is similar to "whatever the establishment says".  The binary of 2 can be used to determine forward or backwards, and from top or from bottom of lists.  In numbers like 10, the extra two become reroll or simply choose something.  When a person simply choses a thing, they are always biased, though the outcome is more pleasant.  Dice rolling produces unwanted outcomes.  This is useful for artistry, to makes choices without conscious control.

The holiday Dodecahedron Conceptivae.   This is a moving holiday to determine the names of the hours.  The idea of lazy magical hours is from grimoires Ars Paulina and Greater Key of Solomon, and also rumors of Saudi Arabian everyday life.

Roll 12-sided dice to choose day from 73-day season.  Numericize season as follows: 12 12 12 1 12 12 12
Disregard day 37.  Roll for 6, to choose set of 12.   Then roll for 2 to determine forward or backwards.  Then roll for 12.

The days have six hours.  These are each 4 normal people hours.  Hour 1 is 6am-10am, Hour 2 is 10am-2pm, Hour 3 is 2pm-6pm, Hour 4 is 6pm-10pm, Hour 5 is 10pm-2am, Hour 6 is 2am-6am.   The day begins at 6am because the sun rises around then.

At the beginning of each season, roll to determine the day of Dodecahedron Conceptivae.  Rename the hours each Dodecahedron Conceptivae.


With time deemphasize one of the hours to be just a number, and emphasize the most remembered hour with too many adjectives.  These are customized magical hours determines by the enduser.  They can be quoted when afraid or to make people laugh.  I like to name hours after intoxicants, after enemies, and after obscure occult spirit names. 

examples of too many adjectives:  "the hour of the fucking ripped chili cheese dog"
"the hour of the hovering uplifting and slowly rotating diced onion cube belt"

also "the hour of heroin", "the hour of tequila", etc

Epithets of Eris.  An epithet is a second name used as a descriptor.  This is very useful for occult purposes, and are easy to remember.  I think Discordian epithets should be in English instead of Greek.  Other religions use epithets, Vishnu has 1000 names, Muslims use 99 names.  I don't think Eris should be limited to 23 names, even though that would make sense.

some names i use:

Eris Discordia
Eris the Archon of Eryx
Eris of Order and Chaos
Eris the Hippie
Eris of the Tin-Foil Hat
Eris the Arms Dealer
Eris Antilogia
Eris Order Discorder
Eris the Goddess of Confusion
Eris of the Aftermath
Eris Antares
Eris of the Produce Aisle
Eris and/or Ares
Eris of DIY Religion
Eris of Ancient War Gods Aftermath


etc

An interpretation of Sri Syadastis name, in reference to written scripts.


"true in some sense" are glyphs currently in everyday use by modern languages.  Latin, Arabic, Cyrillic, Georgian, etc.

"false in some sense" are language glyphs that are fictional or numerical or corporate symbols.   Daedric

"meaningless in some sense" means scripts that are ancient or religious.  Cuneiform  Sanskrit


Examples of "true and false and meaningless" would be Hebrew or Armenian.  Ancient religious use, numerical side funtion, and everyday spoken language use.
Example of "false and meaningless" would be Mayan numerals, because ancient and numbers.
"true and meaningless" would be Chinese, because everyday use and ancient.
"true and false", would be Klingon, when people actually use it.   I support Otherkin.


I think people of chaos religions should collect language scripts in a notebook.  Memorize a few, use them together and wrongly, etc.
The combination of everyday use, fictional things, and ancient ghosts.

Also, I think it is good for people of chaos religions to hoard foreign language dictionaries.  The Principia Discordia has random foreign language sayings.  The downside of this is that this can be expensive.  Language dictionaries are a form of treasure, timeless, easily develop into side quests, a source of random foreign words.

I think of this as seperate from language scripts, but I use same idea of "true false and meaningless" with language dictionaries.  Dictionaries of the "true" sort are more common than "false" sort and  "meaningless" sort.


Honoring "false" in this context is about gamer things, Otherkin things, Atheist things, postal symbols, corporate symbols, Order things, artifacts, numerical things that have a life of their own.  I support sentient robots.

"true" in this context brings ordinary things into focus.  The boring names of towns, countries, flags, the borders of states, and occupied states.   Animals that exist in the everyday.

"Meaningless" of things being everything ancient and legendary, cryptids, things that were everyday but are no longer part of real life, spirit worlds, ancient places mentioned in religious documents, ancient things brought back into everyday use, religious things.


Applied to locations, this becomes ordinary place names "true", fictional location names "false", and spirit world names "meaningless".

About fictional things


I think of a person's fictional input as forming an individual ideology different from other people. The games, books, and movies that the enduser thinks about later.  Taking these fictional ideas, finding aspects that port easily into real life, and becoming weirder.  For example, Crowley talking about Alice in Wonderland, reading into it, weaving religious ideas with fiction.  Here the boundry between real life and fiction becomes something to pass through. The ancient Greek myths might have been entertainment tales that became religious temples.  DIY Religion draws upon fiction and creates deities from nothing.  The loss of knowledge, history, and worship returns deities to nothing.  A lesson of Discordianism is that humans really exist in the everyday world and have the power to create and destroy Gods.

Some natural things of Order and Chaos for contemplation

cloud patterns, chaos
space nebula, chaos
cellular biology, chaos
forests that grow in the edges of parking lots, chaos

circuit boards, order
factory machinery, order
infrastructure, order

I think simple machines (lever pulley wedge screw incline) are easily accessable examples of Order that can be ported into everyday life. 
I think Chaos as an element is best described with clouds, therefore humidifiers. 




To the gaming industry.  The wizards described in games are basically Chemists.  Pepper spray is a fire spell of chemistry.  Ars Goetia does not produce any valid pyrotechnics that can be put to military use.  Describing sorcerers as chemists is unfair.  The military purpose of sorcerers is cryptography.  If games sold the ideas honestly, it would be like: "Level 7 Black Mage produces document that nobody every figures out until several hundred years later!  Ha ha!  Demonic spirit Barbados is actually the island of Barbados!"  "Wyvern slays Black Mage easily but never figures out the scribbled document."

Also, I think if the gaming industry connected sorcerers to the perfume industry, it would sort of make more sense.  I have not developed this idea much, except that most religions use some varieties of perfume.  Perfumes and essential oils are really a weird thing beyond the basic idea.  Hindu religion uses a lot of perfume, occult fumigations use weird perfume ingredients.  The technology for perfume gaming doesn't exist yet, but may exist soon. 

Sweet taste ,  Boom hearing , Pungent smell , Prickle-Prickle touch, Setting Orange sight
These are Atheist elements based on factual human experience. 

If the Principia Discordia seen as a puzzle document, prickle-prickle and setting orange have two words, while the seasons Discord and Confusion both have two apostles. 

Quote from: Tinfoilment on January 26, 2023, 10:17:12 AM
Some natural things of Order and Chaos for contemplation
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circuit boards, order

Circuit boards are the very personification of chaos.

Thermal noise, phase noise, power supply switching noise, mechanical noise, interference, crosstalk, microreflections, microphonics, parasitic inductance, coupling, return loss, timing skew, clock jitter, radiated emissions, spurious signals, non-linearities, unclear requirements, cold solder joints, tombstones, pad cratering, bridging, delamination, and they want it all fixed last week.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on January 26, 2023, 10:17:12 AM

factory machinery, order

I see you have never worked industrial maintenance.

Not to mention infrastructure.

Any city older than a century has infrastructural chaos on a scale you couldn't imagine if you were shown it. Everything looks nice and neat shown in isolation, but you add a single other datapoint and it's over for your conceived notions of shit making sense. The water mains were laid in before electrification, and in some cases before sewage. None of the three have anything to do with each other, except when they do, and system failures in those areas are spectacular. Transit infrastructure was built wherever the fuck it fit and/or they could buy out black people's property and flatten it. In cities like NYC, there's extra special infrastructure for things like heating skyscrapers without relying on resistive heat, and this was usually built after water, sewage and electrification, but before communications networks. Most cities have at least one area with a lot of maintenance tunnels and these map to almost nothing sensible either. They did when they were BUILT, mind you, but that was in the 1930s and things are different now.

The newer cities are worse, because everything is neat and orderly in one place and eroding into madness in another in a patchwork that maps to pretty much nothing, not even income level. The rich people want to move away from the poor people so they get new construction that isn't laid out in anything resembling a sensible fashion so as to eliminate walkability and thus poor people, the poor people want to live in the city center near their jobs but get priced out by gentrified tenements, you have just a seething fucking foam of alternating horror and sanity.

Infrastructure being considered orderly betrays a hilarious degree of optimism as regards the human species' ability to do a goddamn thing right.

My resume is the sort that anarchist propagandists would laugh about.  I haven't worked in a factory sector,.

Also, gerrymandering carpetbaggers playing as Nosferatu clan in the cities.  Gerrymandering is something special.  intentional Order is easier when the lines are kept short. 

I apologize for what might appear as forum illiteracy.  I am typing on touchscreen keyboard and have many computer problems.  I have a few more things to write and will slackfully post for the year until its done. 

Discordian Teufenbrief


Teufenbrief is a religious idea from grimoire "Pow-Wow: the long-lost friend".  It implies a cursed chain-letter.  The blessing counterpart is called Himmelsbrief.

I use this word entirely wrong.  Because Eris and devil are different things.  And its not a chain letter , but rather sacred cryptography for the 50th day.


My teufenbriefs require index cards, pens and markers, rubber stamps, runic scripts, and language books.  The end result is usually impressive. 


The reason for doing this is because the fun part of Halloween, Christmas, and Easter is decorating a tree, coloring eggs, and carving pumpkins.  I am against Discordianism devolving into family friendly, so "drug mathematician" idea.  Cryptography for Discoflux.


Rubber stamps and index cards are mentioned in the Principia. 

Discordian Teufenbrief


Firstly, choose three books or papers.  From each, choose randomly a page with eyes closed, and point to a sentence.  Or dice roll to select page and sentence.  These three sentences are the basic structure of the text. I arrange six words per lindex card ine.  This is for space reasons.  Also, choose five index cards.  Each season make 5 teufens on the 50th day. 

Secondly, roll Docecahedron obtain a number.  Choose this many words as additives.  I prefer occult words.  Place these words into the text where they seem to belong. 

Third, affect the text with a variety of alterations.   I use the following:  reverse words, upside down words,  words written as randomly chosen runic script, words translated into randomly selected language, words eliminated as a blacked-out censorship block, words stretched to fit the entire index card line, words encypted as Zirup code, words kept normal and written in a different ink color.

Fourth, roll dice to choose a line on the index card to begin from.  I use three inks, one for the runic script, one for normal words, and one for everything else.  I use a black marker for the censorship blocks.  When this is complete, use a rubber stamper to stamp each censorship block.   After this, select one letter from a runic script.  Write this letter in a different color marker, very large, over the entire paragraph.

Fifth, flip the card to the back.  Here write the current season and year.  CHS23  ,  also write the current hour.   Then write the name of the current holiday using five letters from a randomly selected runic script.  This completes the material aspect of the teufenbrief.

Sixth, hold the teufenbrief using the left hand.  Make circles with the teufenbrief around a golden apple.  Do this 23 times.  Each time recite an epithet of Eris from memory.  This gives the teufenbrief a spirit aspect.  The teufenbrief can later be used as a ritual item, for burning or rubbing or hiding.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 02, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
I haven't worked in a factory sector,.

Whereof you do not know, thereof you should not speak.

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Also, gerrymandering carpetbaggers playing as Nosferatu clan in the cities.

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I apologize for what might appear as forum illiteracy.  I am typing on touchscreen keyboard and have many computer problems.

I'm posting from an ice dimension via 300 baud modem.  altered writes on demonskin parchment using illithid blood and molten tungsten for ink.  Her pen is the screams of a thousand dying suns.

You can hardly ascribe the quality of your posts to the method of entry.

In my experience (as an American), most people (including Anarchists) aren't going to be working in the factory sector. They send that shit overseas where the workers can't unionize or demand rights.

The closest thing to a "factory setting" I've been in was a short stint in a Grocery Store (some warehouse shit). Some of my required "training" before starting was watching anti-union propaganda. They fucking hate that shit.

The factory sector is more common than you'd think in the US. A lot of raw material gets produced here -- when I buy steel rods or pipes or angles, it usually comes from Florida or NJ. PVC pipe is largely a US product too -- that's what the vinyl chloride that spilled in Ohio was going to end up as, most likely. Most machine tools in the US are made in the US. We still do manufacture cars here, believe it or not. There are boatloads of arms and ammunition manufacturers. We just don't produce finished mass-market products that aren't automobiles anymore.

Couple of quick google searches have the estimated US working population at around 158m and the manufacturing sector at around 13m people, so about 8.2% of the population.

Obviously those are only going to be rough figures but that's still a pretty significant chunk of the population even if manufacturing has overall been in decline.

Zirup Code


This is a scramble code from the comments in the llewellyn varsion of Agrippas Three Books, called "Rational Tziruph".   It looks similar to KMFDM and Enigma machine code.  It is easy to memorize.  I dont unscramble code, but I assume its easy.  Firstly split alphabet into two.

a b c d e f g h i j k l m
n o p q r s t u v w x y z

Use dice for odd and even.  Select top or bottom row.  Then select begin from right or left.  Roll from there to determine starting letter.  After this determine left or right direction of letters.  Then determine whether it bends or continues.  End result looks like this:

a b c d e f g h i j k l m
d c b a z y x w v u t s r

n o p q r s t u v w x y z
e f g h i j k l m n o p q


In teufenbriefs I just apply this to words that already have five letters.  Examples from this post: 
looks sfftj  ,  kmfdm tryar  ,  split jgsvk  ,  begin czxve  ,  there kwziz  ,  right ivxwk  ,  bends czeaj

Also capitalize all letters as per military tradition.

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Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 02, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
I haven't worked in a factory sector,.

Whereof you do not know, thereof you should not speak.

I will address this "im ok, youre not ok" statement.  First of all, I am a Discordian and this is a Discordian forum.  "Discordians should not talk about things they dont know much about."   The Principia Discordia is full of nonsense the authors didn't know much about, for example the mention of Solomonic magick with a wand guy pic.  I'm a wand guy talking about wand guy stuff.  Does it matter?  The Principia honors Emperor Norton, a man who was an illegitimate pretender to a throne of thrones.

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Also, gerrymandering carpetbaggers playing as Nosferatu clan in the cities.

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because shit matters

Also, people with attitudes are one of the reasons to favor a hermit path.  I will use this emoticon to describe myself  :kingmeh:

The reality is, disconnecting from other people , in the context of occultism and chaos religion , allows for certain behaviors and experiences.  Staring into a religious verse until it becomes something else.  Principia Discordia is easier with this than other religions, because it doesnt have rules.  Unlike, for example, the Quran. 

There is a line in the Principia that says "we discordians must stick apart".  I did that.


Behaviors from being too isolated for a long time are like losing the ability to interact normally with people.  Here for example, my forum ability is severely atrophied from what it was years ago on other forums, both in my attitude and in the hardware.  I feel an utter lack of interest in correcting grammar.  The reason im just posting instead of taking the time to write book is because Year 23. 


Occultism is like , other people are always holding you down and telling you what you cannot do.  Removing other people allows for the silence and fear of being alone in haunted place.  Occultism has many rules that are actually wrong, and other people force these wrong rules.  Chaos religions can rewrite old rules.  Chaos religion can easily go past the boundries known by occultism into sketchier studies, without sin and without the loss of afterlife.  Thus other old lost religions open up and their ghosts seek the company of Chaos.

I think when Order becomes excessive and stops making sense, it is still Order but of a different kind.  Principia has a page about "expanded order" , "exploded order" etc.  There is a point where chaos becomes controlled.  Like a fire extinguisher, rerouting a river, riots selling out, freedom fighters turning into the people they are against.  I categorize this under Hung Mung. 

I think of Chaos and Order as mana in a gamer sense.  That is why I am generalizing factories and infrastructure as being creatures of Order. 

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Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 02, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
I haven't worked in a factory sector,.

Whereof you do not know, thereof you should not speak.

I will address this "im ok, youre not ok" statement.  First of all, I am a Discordian and this is a Discordian forum.

You think calling yourself a discordian should place you above criticism?  You can spout whatever nonsense you like, and everyone is expected to sit by and nod in silent reverence at your profundity?

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"Discordians should not talk about things they dont know much about."   The Principia Discordia is full of nonsense the authors didn't know much about,

Who cares?  The PD may have been appropriate for the sixties, but that style of "enlightenment" doesn't land well today.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 03, 2023, 12:09:24 PM
Principia Discordia is easier with this than other religions, because it doesnt have rules.

Wrong.  Discordianism has rules.  I should know, I'm the Pope.

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Here for example, my forum ability is severely atrophied from what it was years ago on other forums, both in my attitude and in the hardware.

You're the only person I've ever met who used "atrophied forum ability" as an excuse for being wrong.

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I feel an utter lack of interest in correcting grammar.

What if your writing is incoherent to the point of being incomprehensible?  Do you even want to improve your "atrophied forum ability", or is it just an excuse?

Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 03, 2023, 12:09:24 PM
Also, people with attitudes are one of the reasons to favor a hermit path.  I will use this emoticon to describe myself  :kingmeh:

Nobody cares.   :lulz:

Quote from: altered on January 26, 2023, 07:08:30 PM
Not to mention infrastructure.

Any city older than a century has infrastructural chaos on a scale you couldn't imagine if you were shown it. Everything looks nice and neat shown in isolation, but you add a single other datapoint and it's over for your conceived notions of shit making sense.

This is why we call Altered "The Chairman of the Board."

I ate the Board and replaced them with cardboard cutouts of 1980s horror movie villains. Daryl Revok always has the best ideas but never fucking talks. Why can't you just talk, Revok!? Tell me your evil plans you motherfucker, I need them!

Permutation Circle


requires four language books
This ritual is a response to Golden Dawn's Lesser Banishing Rituals.  Except it is based on falseness and Principia's random language quotes.  I am not convinced that lbrp banishes, but rather invites weird spirits.  The permutation circle invites weirder spirits.

The contents of the ritual change on the 14th day of the season.   Or lazily betwixt 10th and 20th.   

To formulate ritual contents, first choose an item from a game having two words.  "Lamp of Darkness" for example.  Then select by dodecahedron four language books.  For this example I selected Telugu, Farsi, and Balinesian twice.

Next, take the first and last letters of each word, thus LPDS.  Roll to assign each letter to a language book.  Then search that language book in for a word of the selected letter.  Search for a word on the theme of the item, or a neutral word connecting to Erisian lore.  For this example I chose "lampu" (lamp bali), "pratiyuuSa" (daybreak telugu), "durughi" (false farsi), sandikala (dusk bali).  These are the entire contents.


The ritual of the Permutation Circle is as follows:  Sit and face towards an idol of focusing.  Say quickly "Lamp of Darkness".  Incant slowly "lampu, pratiyuuSa, lampu, durughi, lampu, sandikala".  Face towards the left, slowly incant: "pratiyuuSa , lampu, pratiyuuSa, durughi, pratiyuuSa, sandikala".  Use an entire breath for each word.  Face towards the back, slowly incant: "durughi, lampu, durughi, pratiyuuSa, durughi, sandikala".  Face towards the right, slowly incant: "sandikala, lampu, sandikala, pratiyuuSa, sandikala, durughi".  Face forewards again, stare upon focus idol, quickly say "Lamp of Darkness".


This ritual has a temporary, atheist, and ancient feeling.  Because it changes every season, uses obscure languages recklessly, and uses names of game items that would otherwise merely collect dust.

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Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 02, 2023, 08:56:04 AM
I haven't worked in a factory sector,.

Whereof you do not know, thereof you should not speak.

I will address this "im ok, youre not ok" statement

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You think calling yourself a discordian should place you above criticism?  You can spout whatever nonsense you like, and everyone is expected to sit by and nod in silent reverence at your profundity?

Yes.  I think Discordianism is Theocratic Anarchy.  Spouting nonsense is our entire game.  I am merely dropping some scrolls for the Year 23 holiday season.  How reactionary onlookers choose to be is their own decision.  That you see scrolls as "shithead" activity is projection.  Realize that Discordianism is the era of Bramayuga.  Chaos religion creates religion from nothing, Brahma holds zines and creates religion from nothing.

About profundity.  Would you describe Ars Paulina as a profound religious document?


"Discordians should not talk about things they dont know much about."   The Principia Discordia is full of nonsense the authors didn't know much about,

Who cares?  The PD may have been appropriate for the sixties, but that style of "enlightenment" doesn't land well today.

:kingmeh:   You are rejecting something "old" in its own house, for being too old.  You are also rejecting a new religion mod for being too new.  Also you think the Principia was "enlightened".  The Principia is a chainsaw ripping apart organized religion.  This is an era of Christian Crusade and Islamic Jihad.  In many places blasphemy carries the death penalty, and Discordianism is one of the most blasphemous religions in human history.

Therefore, yes, Discordians are infallable.  Live stoned and die by stones.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on March 03, 2023, 12:09:24 PM
Principia Discordia is easier with this than other religions, because it doesnt have rules.

Wrong.  Discordianism has rules.  I should know, I'm the Pope.

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Here for example, my forum ability is severely atrophied from what it was years ago on other forums, both in my attitude and in the hardware.

You're the only person I've ever met who used "atrophied forum ability" as an excuse for being wrong.

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I feel an utter lack of interest in correcting grammar.

What if your writing is incoherent to the point of being incomprehensible?  Do you even want to improve your "atrophied forum ability", or is it just an excuse?

Not really.  I may buy a new computer merely to continue this troll argument properly.  But i genuinely hate the British Empires leftover customs, and also i have a head full of ancient books that always talk in broken fragments.

Incomprehensible:
ឈញឣាឌឬឣាធឌឈូឬីឣធូឈីឣាថសេរតុតិថចឮសេយរតិងតខឹតឮរឮា៨ុរិតងខឮថឮថឮុាតិយ៩យិ៥ងាខឮខឮេាធឬជែឌឬីឌៅធធឣាជាធឌឌៅធៅញបៃឃជឌ័ឃេ

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Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on March 03, 2023, 02:34:54 PM
You think calling yourself a discordian should place you above criticism?  You can spout whatever nonsense you like, and everyone is expected to sit by and nod in silent reverence at your profundity?

Yes.

Wow, you really have no idea what discordianism is, do you?  Discordianism is about criticizing everything, especially itself.  If you cannot step back and see your own dogmas for what they are, then you are as much a cabbage as anyone.

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Who cares?  The PD may have been appropriate for the sixties, but that style of "enlightenment" doesn't land well today.

:kingmeh:   You are rejecting something "old" in its own house, for being too old.  You are also rejecting a new religion mod for being too new.

I'm not rejecting PD for being old, I'm rejecting your brain-dead idea that because some book has nonsense in it, that this somehow makes your nonsense worthwhile.

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Therefore, yes, Discordians are infallable.

You are obviously fallible (see extensive evidence, above); therefore, you are not discordian.

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What if your writing is incoherent to the point of being incomprehensible?  Do you even want to improve your "atrophied forum ability", or is it just an excuse?

Not really.  I may buy a new computer merely to continue this troll argument properly.

Your computer isn't the problem, it's your brain.

Oh no, it's one of those people who read "All things are true, even false things" and walked away thinking that every perspective is equally valid.

The fifth hour of the twenty-third day of the fifth month of the twenty-third year.

hail eris

word salad is a valuable ingredient.   

To be collected as the subtile lanes of madness, to be rearranged as magical orations, to be recited during ritual.
Word salad being True and False; because it is usually about real things, but also hyped into a science fiction level.

corresponding with Zarathud because Bureaucracy
but what about the vampire Malkav being the patron of word salad ?
just write the word salad with blood

めဆヲအ၈ム၉ုဂたイဤ၏レ၍အルワထနြ၉   :kingmeh:

Quote from: Tinfoilment on June 09, 2023, 08:40:41 AM
word salad is a valuable ingredient.   

It's boring.  Sorry, but that's what it is.

Quote from: altered on January 26, 2023, 07:08:30 PM
Not to mention infrastructure.

Any city older than a century has infrastructural chaos on a scale you couldn't imagine if you were shown it. Everything looks nice and neat shown in isolation, but you add a single other datapoint and it's over for your conceived notions of shit making sense. The water mains were laid in before electrification, and in some cases before sewage. None of the three have anything to do with each other, except when they do, and system failures in those areas are spectacular. Transit infrastructure was built wherever the fuck it fit and/or they could buy out black people's property and flatten it. In cities like NYC, there's extra special infrastructure for things like heating skyscrapers without relying on resistive heat, and this was usually built after water, sewage and electrification, but before communications networks. Most cities have at least one area with a lot of maintenance tunnels and these map to almost nothing sensible either. They did when they were BUILT, mind you, but that was in the 1930s and things are different now.

The newer cities are worse, because everything is neat and orderly in one place and eroding into madness in another in a patchwork that maps to pretty much nothing, not even income level. The rich people want to move away from the poor people so they get new construction that isn't laid out in anything resembling a sensible fashion so as to eliminate walkability and thus poor people, the poor people want to live in the city center near their jobs but get priced out by gentrified tenements, you have just a seething fucking foam of alternating horror and sanity.

Infrastructure being considered orderly betrays a hilarious degree of optimism as regards the human species' ability to do a goddamn thing right.

(https://i.imgur.com/sWkDC7J.jpg)

Amazing

Christians convert junkies and alcoholics using Alcoholics Anonymous. 

Word salad guys are message-carriers.  They are boring and vampires are boring. 
However, these Edge-Lords are possessed and contain the phrensy of Malkav,
this swirling mass of evil spirits, uttering prophecy of random Christian fears,
and maybe Malkav is named after Malcalypse and is therefore intended,
but I kinda just want to place Malkav into word salad culture as a meme.
Because word salad guys should be worrying that vampires are eating their thoughts.

toward the collection of lists
lists of titles, place names, and food words

Titles, the lore of titles,
and reading into the meanings of titles.

within the context of lists of titles of political, military, religious, local people, and academic
and maybe also corporate

Hi.

Please stop shitting up the entire fucking forum with your trash. I don't want to log on to see three dozen ancient threads, half of which are garbage, bumped from the ancient abyss with your weirdly racist misuse of non-Latin characters for "lol random", or your "I'm 13 and this is deep" pseudo-philosophy.

Failure to be responsive to this benign request will be met with a decidedly unequal and very opposed reaction, where I will shit up the place even more everywhere you so much as sniff at, so that action /must/ be taken to contain your pointless mess. We will probably both get banned. I am okay with this.

Thanks.
--5000 angry combat drones

Quote from: altered on June 20, 2023, 07:32:27 PM
Hi.

Please stop shitting up the entire fucking forum with your trash. I don't want to log on to see three dozen ancient threads, half of which are garbage, bumped from the ancient abyss with your weirdly racist misuse of non-Latin characters for "lol random", or your "I'm 13 and this is deep" pseudo-philosophy.

Failure to be responsive to this benign request will be met with a decidedly unequal and very opposed reaction, where I will shit up the place even more everywhere you so much as sniff at, so that action /must/ be taken to contain your pointless mess. We will probably both get banned. I am okay with this.

Thanks.
--5000 angry combat drones

That's my new band name.

Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 22, 2023, 03:59:01 AM

Quote from: altered on June 20, 2023, 07:32:27 PM
Hi.

Please stop shitting up the entire fucking forum with your trash. I don't want to log on to see three dozen ancient threads, half of which are garbage, bumped from the ancient abyss with your weirdly racist misuse of non-Latin characters for "lol random", or your "I'm 13 and this is deep" pseudo-philosophy.

Failure to be responsive to this benign request will be met with a decidedly unequal and very opposed reaction, where I will shit up the place even more everywhere you so much as sniff at, so that action /must/ be taken to contain your pointless mess. We will probably both get banned. I am okay with this.

Thanks.
--5000 angry combat drones

That's my new band name.

Everyone should know that your first album, Seasonal Migration Patterns of the MQ-1 Predator, is coming out next year.

Individual called Altered,

why are you even here?

Iffin you want to smash and destroy everything weird, why not convert to Thelema and serve Ra Hoor Khuit?

I disregard your aggro control trip.  Discordianism is chill hippie shit designed to be open-ended. 

Also, I'm even doing it in a formal way that rhymes with the old way.  And this forum is so quiet that there can expected to be nothing new for the next several decades.  Why ban anyone?

thine  :argh!:




self  :kingmeh:

It is called 73rd because there are 73 days in a season. 

1: I am here because I've been here for ages and some people I like are here. Where the hell else would I be?

2: I am provably weirder than you. Like, it's actually possible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, regardless of context, that I am weirder than you.

Some examples:
--I have 199 people living in my head. Not a joke, this is diagnosed, although using "people" for some of them may be a stretch.
--Actually, example of that: there are not one, but two individual consciousnesses in here that perceive themselves as a hive mind inhabiting a large pack of walking, predatory clams. Like, wobbling around on a fan of geoduck siphons, navigating by sonar using their beards to receive sound and scraping their valves together to make sound, and beating prey to death with their sharpened, beak-shaped valves. They aren't even the weirdest things in here. This isn't lol-random shit, this is literally a fair description of precisely 2 of the 199 beings in my head.
--My actual legal name is "Curse Fraudulence Null". Yes, for real.
--I ask everyone to refer to me as they would an object, an idea, an abstract notion, an unexpected xenomorph folded up in the closet. "It". "That". "Thing". Half of this is that I hate people and being associated with them, the other half is setting expectations.
--I have befriended and worked with multiple successful musicians, videogame developers, film directors, published authors, etc. They see me as one of their kind, even though I have never released work.
--I'm in the process of gearing up to write a queer-plural exegesis of Torah and the Zohar, using the Talmud as a guide, but with the recognition that a being like me would not have been foreseen or understood by the sages.
--I've constructed a half-dozen complete languages, just for fun.
--This list continues.

This, my reaction to your garbage on the floor, is not you being too weird. This is you being too normal. I've seen this shit a thousand times. There are thousands of people exactly like you, speaking only from personal experience, which means there's bound to be millions.

3: Discordianism is not nice. Discordianism is a religion whose goddess is one of chaos and strife. Here, from Wikipedia, is Hesiod describing Eris's children. Parentheticals are the translations of the names of her children, and a fair description of their roles.

"And hateful Eris bore painful Ponos (Hardship),
Lethe (Forgetfulness) and Limos (Starvation) and the tearful Algea (Pains),
Hysminai (Battles), Makhai (Wars), Phonoi (Murders), and Androktasiai (Manslaughters);
Neikea (Quarrels), Pseudea (Lies), Logoi (Stories), Amphillogiai (Disputes),
Dysnomia (Anarchy) and Ate (Ruin), near one another,
and Horkos (Oath), who most afflicts men on earth,
Then willing swears a false oath."

If you don't like that Eris, don't worry, there's another one. From Homer:
"... and Discord [Ἔρις] that rageth incessantly, sister and comrade of man-slaying Ares; she at the first rears her crest but little, yet thereafter planteth her head in heaven, while her feet tread on earth. She it was that now cast evil strife into their midst as she fared through the throng, making the groanings of men to wax."

I should stress, yeah, these two Erises are generally considered to be different goddesses with the same name. I feel kinship with the latter, who I tend to call "Eris Militant". Interestingly, that's also definitely the one who threw the original Apple of Discord. Hm.

"Hippie shit" is a distortion. It's not a wholly untrue one, it's just missing the coat of paint for the filth and shit underneath. Eris is not a nice lady. She's a shit-stirrer and menace. She makes people fight for her own entertainment, and doesn't particularly care if they live or die, so long as it's funny.

Bluntly put: no, you're wrong.

4: There's nothing formal about bumping ancient threads that have nothing to do with whatever the fuck you're doing. "Word salad" is not a valuable addition. It is, by definition, all noise, no signal.

As for the forum being so quiet that they wouldn't ban anyone, don't worry! I can make everyone, especially the admins, sick of my shit in a hot second. And I can 100% take you with me.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on September 23, 2023, 09:37:15 AM
Individual called Altered,

why are you even here?

Iffin you want to smash and destroy everything weird, why not convert to Thelema and serve Ra Hoor Khuit?

I disregard your aggro control trip.  Discordianism is chill hippie shit designed to be open-ended. 

Also, I'm even doing it in a formal way that rhymes with the old way.  And this forum is so quiet that there can expected to be nothing new for the next several decades.  Why ban anyone?

How about you fuck off?

[ curse fraudulence null ] , That name is awesome.  I don't know if the legalist aspect is relevant, beacuse of disregard for the authority of the state over church.

To be honest, I have been off and on forums decades ago, this is my first forum in years.  To encounter prejudice at the first is weird, but whatever.  Previous forums almost always had pointless fighting and meat-jockeying over who is the biggest baddest nerd typing on a screen hidden somewhere.  Sometimes I would find myself in admin positions and sometimes I would be on the outskirts.  It is irritating being treated as an enemy by Discordians, considering a lifetime of devotion to Eris.  Though it is also irrelevant because religion not organized.

As per your bragging, I support your Biblical project, and I would like to see your languages.  I have a knowledge of the Torah but not of the Zohar.  I tend to think of Hebrew Kabalah as crypto-Shia.  After Discordianism, being the creation of DIY religion, it is easy to trace the origins of Torah religion, via Moses and Ezekiel. 

As for both ancient Eris and modern Eris.  The ancient world was much different from the modern world.  Modern Eris as presented by the Principia Discordia, by RA Wilson, and by other authors is totally disconnected from ancient Eris.  Why even mention LSD?  The Principia claims to have been written in 1957, continued during the 1960s, and the location seems to be San Francisco.  For any religion to trace its origins to the hippie era of California is an honor!  But ancient Eris, who might also be Ares and Iris, eating eyeballs and stuff,  isn't somebody like the authors of the Principia, or like the devotees of Discordianism.  Wicca has similar problems, where the ancient gods being slowly refurbished are different from the enduser.  Ancient Hecate is different from modern Hecate.

why are random garble scripts desirable?

because barbarous words
because zwack cypher
because appendages
because the wall is silent
because graffiti

and on the subject , d ification , why actually isn't this lolcats ?
Perhaps because this forum existed before the internets did that,
but sweetmorns and random memes are very similar flavors.   :fap:
I think this forum could and should have a section that self-erases after five pages,
maintaining an ever-constant state of dumb creation. 

the letter lowercase L , like an ancient tally , here used for seasonal time:


chs lll lllll lllll lllll lllll
dsc lllll lll lllll lllll lllll
cfn lllll lllll lll lllll lllll
bcy lllll lllll lllll lll lllll
afm lllll lllll lllll lllll lll

Quote from: Tinfoilment on December 03, 2023, 08:17:42 AM
To be honest, I have been off and on forums decades ago, this is my first forum in years.  To encounter prejudice at the first is weird, but whatever.

Your posts were effluvial from the first.  No prejudice was required.

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It is irritating being treated as an enemy by Discordians, considering a lifetime of devotion to Eris.

Your faith is too weak, or whatever.  Go on a pilgrimage to a fetid swamp with no communication with the outside world and meditate for a couple decades, that'll sort you out.

Quote from: Tinfoilment on December 03, 2023, 08:17:42 AM
[ curse fraudulence null ] , That name is awesome.  I don't know if the legalist aspect is relevant, beacuse of disregard for the authority of the state over church.

To be honest, I have been off and on forums decades ago, this is my first forum in years.  To encounter prejudice at the first is weird, but whatever.

Prejudice?  You were rude to Altered.  This is what you fucking get.

Try not being a fucking dickbag, and see where it gets you.

The time of normal people is now January 1st 2024.

I declare closure of the holiday Year 23 Imperitivae.