how openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
there's really no way to answer that, because recently pertinent laws have been called into question, subtly rewritten for vagueness, or flat-out ignored.
it's more likely that the newer, more pertinent question is:
are you willing to risk the undefined but threatening potential consequences of open subversion?
and, if so, how far across the line are you willing to go?
Quote from: East Coast Hustlethere's really no way to answer that, because recently pertinent laws have been called into question, subtly rewritten for vagueness, or flat-out ignored.
it's more likely that the newer, more pertinent question is:
are you willing to risk the undefined but threatening potential consequences of open subversion?
and, if so, how far across the line are you willing to go?
this is the follow-up question -
what exactly are the negative aspects of martyrdom?
Death?
Quote from: LHXQuote from: East Coast Hustlethere's really no way to answer that, because recently pertinent laws have been called into question, subtly rewritten for vagueness, or flat-out ignored.
it's more likely that the newer, more pertinent question is:
are you willing to risk the undefined but threatening potential consequences of open subversion?
and, if so, how far across the line are you willing to go?
this is the follow-up question -
what exactly are the negative aspects of martyrdom?
if one is fervent enough in their beliefs to become a martyr, then one has already succeeded regardless of the outcome.
for those (like myself) who believe that dying for a cause is silly since FIGHTING for a cause requires you to be alive, then I suppose that obscurity and/or marginalization would be the worst "punishment" that could be meted out.
Quote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
Get more radical every day.
When they stuff you in a cage, you'll know how far is too far.
Quote from: LHXQuote from: East Coast Hustlethere's really no way to answer that, because recently pertinent laws have been called into question, subtly rewritten for vagueness, or flat-out ignored.
it's more likely that the newer, more pertinent question is:
are you willing to risk the undefined but threatening potential consequences of open subversion?
and, if so, how far across the line are you willing to go?
this is the follow-up question -
what exactly are the negative aspects of martyrdom?
Being dead.
Quote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
I'd say it would depend quite a bit where in the world you are.
Quote from: ProxyQuote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
I'd say it would depend quite a bit where in the world you are.
:roll: Doy.
And as for your question, I am not sure. I know that during war limits to that are up.
But as for limits on being subversive, America has some of the loosest restrictions I'm sure.
Quote from: IdemQuote from: ProxyQuote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
I'd say it would depend quite a bit where in the world you are.
:roll: Doy.
And as for your question, I am not sure. I know that during war limits to that are up.
But as for limits on being subversive, America has some of the loosest restrictions I'm sure.
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Hey, those Quakers were a threat to National Security! This is a very important matter! :lol:
Quote from: CainHey, those Quakers were a threat to National Security! This is a very important matter! :lol:
Packing your oatmeal with those little husks that get caught in the back of your throat?
Yeah, these bastards need to be
stopped.
Quote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
Technically (in the U.S., at least):
-You cannot directly instigate or advocate violence
-You cannot threaten violence
As far as speech goes, supposedly you can say whatever you like.
Given the current climate though, it probably wouldn't take too much for you to be labelled a terrorist and thrown in a secret prison without any real charges brought against you if they ever viewed you as a threat to the establishment.
At the end of the day it depends on how smart (or stupid) you are and what actions you take.
Quote from: LHXhow openly subversive can a person be in this society right now?
i am not familiar wiff laws regarding the broadcasting and communication of ideas
If you have the money, you may buy blocks of time on almost any station.
The more popular the station the more money.
I have ppl close to me who do this.
And yes they express themselves, and have yet to be 'shut down'.
Granted it is not a huge station, and they've only been doing it for a short time, but nonetheless, it reaches more folk than not.
Stations can refuse to air things though and if they're subversive they will likely do this. We might have an arguably reasonable amount of free speech when we're on the streets or on the internet, but when it comes to the masses free speech seems to be non-existent at times.
Quote from: Machine Grind DreamStations can refuse to air things though and if they're subversive they will likely do this. We might have an arguably reasonable amount of free speech when we're on the streets or on the internet, but when it comes to the masses free speech seems to be non-existent at times.
IOW, Say whatever you please, but not on
their networks.
Pretty much.
IOW?
Pretty much.
IOW?
In other words?
Quote from: Machine Grind DreamPretty much.
IOW?
In other words?
TITCM.
Heh, it seems fucked up that I got that one right away and it took me a few seconds to get IOW.
I'm not so sure...I mean, You pretty much can say whatever you want errr...you can express whatever Idea you want, so long as you do it without anyone complaining.
Mostly.
Would you like your message to be spread to the entire nation? (Assuming your in North America)
Would you like to say whatever you want, to an impressionable audience?
Sex, murder, anarchism, anti-religious tirades?
Becomes a music video director.
Me, Persoanlly I would have no mess. to spread.
Whew.
martyrs
messages
them
what a bunch of horseshit
this planet is ridiculous
Quote from: LHXthis planet is ridiculous
Give that man a cigar.
Quote from: LHXmartyrs
messages
them
what a bunch of horseshit
this planet is ridiculous
What about other planets?
Just as ridiculous?
No, worse. Also, while you may be able to say nearly anything on the radio, we do not have huge financial backers or stacks of cash lying around. Also, if it is threatening to their interests, they will refuse it. Its not like any station in the UK would play Sinn Fein ads during election time, even though they have a lot more money than most political parties to throw around.
Quote from: Machine Grind DreamStations can refuse to air things though and if they're subversive they will likely do this.
is that so? but as long as you pay up, they'll broadcast it, right? it's not like they're doing the other side's propaganda for free and out of idealism right?
i would think if you can show the money the media doesn't care which side you're on.
(edit: just read the above post, apparently things work differently.)
Quote from: maphdetQuote from: LHXmartyrs
messages
them
what a bunch of horseshit
this planet is ridiculous
What about other planets?
Just as ridiculous?
i cant remember
Quote from: triple zeroQuote from: Machine Grind DreamStations can refuse to air things though and if they're subversive they will likely do this.
is that so? but as long as you pay up, they'll broadcast it, right? it's not like they're doing the other side's propaganda for free and out of idealism right?
i would think if you can show the money the media doesn't care which side you're on.
(edit: just read the above post, apparently things work differently.)
the money you are willing to pay the station to air your subversiveness is a drop in the bucket compared to the money the station is afraid it will lose if your message offends it's audience and corporate sponsors.
leave it to America to find a way to use the free market to supress dissident speech.
When we say free, we mean free to do just as if it was an authoritarian dictatorship, except for the profit of advantaged citizens.