Apparently the cops are running out of less-lethal munitions. Like they have no gas left, and when a group uses their last canister it's all gone for them. Not sure which city, or if it's multiple, but it's definitely happening.
I don't think this has happened in the US in my life time. Certainly not in the age of the Internet.
What do you think happens next? I'm concerned about them deciding that the best way to show they aren't mass murderers is to pull out the jacketed rounds and commit mass murder.
If this spreads further, what's next in a larger sense? Right now it's two really big cities of people who have nothing to lose, and one smaller city of the same. If it goes nationwide, where do things go next?
My world is so fucking confusing. This sort of thing was, I feel, inevitable in a way. But it went so far before it all went down. It took so much happening for everything to come to this.
And now I realize I have never seen something like this happen before in a relatively strong, industrialized, capitalist Western country, and every example of it predates the Internet. I actually don't know what comes next. I'm hoping Cain or somebody has something to work with. Because this is weird.
QuoteApparently the cops are running out of less-lethal munitions.
A wonder that they had any in the first place.
And it's all going to depend on the local actors. Is the local city government backing the police to the hilt, or are the divisions already showing? Just how organised are the rioters and the protestors? Have the usual brigade of bootlickers (Oathkeepers etc) started to mobilise and what is their ground level game like? How badly is unemployment hitting the city, and are compounding factors from Covid-19 making that situation worse or not (lets be honest, they almost certainly are, though to what degree etc). Hell, what is the weather going to be like for the next week?
That's what I'd be looking at, nuts and bolts stuff, organisational research to understand who is likely to crumple first.
I don't know what this means in the larger scope of things, but all the "gun community" groups I belong to read seem to be siding with the protesters. Except, of course, they think the protesters should have showed up armed to the hilt. (Also, If they could complain more about not being able to get haircuts, that'd be swell.)
The "thin blue line"/"shoulda complied" crowd has been shifting noticeably more and more towards "fuck THE MANtm/"all are welcome to the Big Igloo/Luau i.e "Boogaloo""
I believe the national guard has been called in
Quote from: Cain on May 28, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
QuoteApparently the cops are running out of less-lethal munitions.
A wonder that they had any in the first place.
And it's all going to depend on the local actors. Is the local city government backing the police to the hilt, or are the divisions already showing? Just how organised are the rioters and the protestors? Have the usual brigade of bootlickers (Oathkeepers etc) started to mobilise and what is their ground level game like? How badly is unemployment hitting the city, and are compounding factors from Covid-19 making that situation worse or not (lets be honest, they almost certainly are, though to what degree etc). Hell, what is the weather going to be like for the next week?
That's what I'd be looking at, nuts and bolts stuff, organisational research to understand who is likely to crumple first.
I can answer some of this for Minneapolis.
The government is not backing the police at fucking all. The Minn. Mayor is trying to play peacemaker about it (while using the sort of language that is Politician for "you're a bunch of fucking idiots and you're gonna get yours now") — but the St. Paul PD across the way said outright that Minn. PD fucked the dog so bad that they're refusing to honor the mutual aid agreement the cities have. So the answer is the PD is basically a rogue actor now. No support at all.
Minn. also has gun lunatics showing up, but they're doing two things and surprisingly doing them well:
Defending stores from looters, without half as much macho posturing about it as usual some fucking how,
And backing up the protestors directly, some of them even catching rubber bullets and canisters in the chest for their trouble.
I don't think the threepers or other white nationalist scum are involved. If they were I think they'd be dealt with fast, right now: the general atmosphere is supportive of the protest.
The rest I can't really be sure, but Minneapolis is doing very badly in general right now, even before all this.
I do know the protestors are either gun nuts or people who legitimately feel like they have nothing to lose, backs against the wall, "what are you gonna do, /shoot/ us" kind of mindset. Word is that they are not looting these stores for money, clothes, electronics or food, they're looting them for supplies to clean gas off faces and help with field medic shit. Lots of Gatorade and bottled water and milk going out. I'm not sure if that speaks to being prepared to go toe to toe or if it means they aren't mentally prepared for an extended go at the PD.
do you happen to know more specifically where the riots are occurring? i see the autozone and target that burned are near Lake St and Hiawatha.
I used to live in Columbia Heights - so I'm just curious how close the action is to my old neighborhood
I don’t have people on the ground, I’m just following the news about things and paying attention to what people are saying.
The word Right Now is that things are weird. Cops in full retreat, I guess? That’s fucking unheard of.
ETA: Apparently Minn. PD often uses public transportation for mass arrests and the Metro bus drivers are saying fuck you to them now. They’re getting their union involved.
And also, protestors broke into the squad motor pool and are wrecking the vehicles. I really have never seen anything remotely like this.
Quote from: altered on May 28, 2020, 12:07:09 PM
I don't have people on the ground, I'm just following the news about things and paying attention to what people are saying.
The word Right Now is that things are weird. Cops in full retreat, I guess? That's fucking unheard of.
ETA: Apparently Minn. PD often uses public transportation for mass arrests and the Metro bus drivers are saying fuck you to them now. They're getting their union involved.
And also, protestors broke into the squad motor pool and are wrecking the vehicles. I really have never seen anything remotely like this.
Holy shit. I'd only heard about them running out of non lethal ammo and retreating him the literal barricades that had been erected but a serious round of applause for the bus drivers and for the protestors fucking up the motor pool.
I'm not sure where to put this but there's been a lot of broken clocks being right wrt George Floyd - I think this is the only extra judicial killing of a black person like this that has met almost
universal condemnation since prior to the American Revolution. Here's an exceptionally broken clock that is probably concern trolling but still not wrong.
The federal investigation just guaranteed this gets way way way worse.
https://twitter.com/kari_markus/status/1266134311759036421?s=21 Watch the video.
I'm expecting this to spread all over the country now. This was an incredibly bad move for anyone and everyone in the US. The fuckers wanting a race war might well fucking get what they asked for, and they will not be happy. Sun Tzu talked about cornered foes.
https://twitter.com/stribjany/status/1266203221846036481?s=21
I'm serious. Has literally anyone heard of this happening in the US or a comparable nation in the age of the Internet?
The closest I think would be HK, and they have a very different dynamic there. And even then I don't think they evacuated a goddamned police station because the protestors overran it.
https://twitter.com/neetpolice/status/1266222612641992704?s=21
And the obvious scheme, "this was never a peaceful protest", has just been burned down definitively. Cops started it.
And now the protests are spreading: Denver, Toronto.
This is going to be a wild ride. I'm almost, almost feeling a twinge of fucking hope.
Shit is popping off in Denver, Louisville, Columbus, and potentially in Phoenix tonight. This is surreal.
Altered, the cops have a long, long history of doing shit like this. My buddy gave me a paper about them doing this and I'll post the pdf tomorrow if it's really worth it.
I knew they did that shit, it wasn't surprising at all to find it out. Having undeniable proof is a different story: it takes away their ability to shape the narrative toward "POC are savages" the way they usually do. That makes it harder to bury the story later and harder to regain popular support.
I appreciate the paper, but it's not necessary. This is less "oh every one who told me ACAB was right" and more "and here is proof that ACAB is right".
I apologize if I came off rude. Not my intention.
Minnesota freedom fund, for anyone interested in donating: https://minnesotafreedomfund.org/?fbclid=IwAR3w1c0Rg9wHcjV5jpcWzrN4CAewEIfYlVKgA92F-hk5RkCAuwNry-eDu_w
Columbus: https://twitter.com/fund_columbus/status/1265803452778786816?s=19
The white nationalists are now showing up in "hunting parties" of 4 to 6 people, apparently.
This is going to get bloody. I have no idea how bad, but the results will either turn the US into a full blown fascist state or start a second civil war, full stop, end of story. I see no world where the Actual Card Carrying neo-Nazis show up for the express purpose of getting to kill black men and women protesting being killed who took out a fucking police station and things don't explode nationwide.
Not having local government on their side is going to severely hamper the police. I can definitely see them making arrangements with local or even out-of-town Neo-Nazis, but if the violence continues isn't there a very real possibility of the governor calling up the National Guard?
This may not actually be the worst solution, given that the army is a whole lot more strict on the situations where you can fire back and kill civilians (I'm not going to claim the US military has anywhere near a perfect record in this regard, but between the two, I'd rather be taken by your military than your police any day of the week, in most jurisdictions). The guard's going to be more racially mixed as well, especially on the front-line units, and hasn't recently been killing black Americans, all factors that may actually work in their favour.
On the other hand, sending in the army worked out really, really poorly in Northern Ireland. It's an escalation, a provocation and it will depend how the Guard would interface with the local police and what the response from the militia movements would be as to how that plays out. If the local police are "equal partners" with them, then you can bet the police will try and turn that to their advantage, which will pit the rioters and protestors against them. And if not, the police may try and spin up the militia crazies with the usual NWO/military takeover crap, especially with a Dem governor.
The NG is already activated, apparently. Statement says they're focused primarily on getting fire crews to fires. They actually didn't even mention the police at all in their statement.
Quote from: Cain on May 29, 2020, 08:17:46 AM
Not having local government on their side is going to severely hamper the police. I can definitely see them making arrangements with local or even out-of-town Neo-Nazis, but if the violence continues isn't there a very real possibility of the governor calling up the National Guard?
This may not actually be the worst solution, given that the army is a whole lot more strict on the situations where you can fire back and kill civilians (I'm not going to claim the US military has anywhere near a perfect record in this regard, but between the two, I'd rather be taken by your military than your police any day of the week, in most jurisdictions). The guard's going to be more racially mixed as well, especially on the front-line units, and hasn't recently been killing black Americans, all factors that may actually work in their favour.
On the other hand, sending in the army worked out really, really poorly in Northern Ireland. It's an escalation, a provocation and it will depend how the Guard would interface with the local police and what the response from the militia movements would be as to how that plays out. If the local police are "equal partners" with them, then you can bet the police will try and turn that to their advantage, which will pit the rioters and protestors against them. And if not, the police may try and spin up the militia crazies with the usual NWO/military takeover crap, especially with a Dem governor.
To be fair after the black and tans, and the sacking of cork, the army deployed to Ireland were there to and demoralise the population, through intimidation and in many cases torture, I mean they did kill a man and use his skull as an ashtray (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/05/11/news/british-soldiers-used-shot-catholic-man-s-skull-as-ashtray-1617500/).
Agreed, if I was to be picked up I'd prefer the US army seem to at least have a rule set where the US police force seems to be anything goes and different rules town to town, state to state
Doing some research, the NatGuard is apparently civilian, not military. (The military equivalent is the Reserve.) But they also don't get deployed often, and usually in nonviolent contexts, so I doubt they're as aggressively racist and stupid as cops.
Didnt Trump already tweet something along the lines of "When the looting starts, so does the shooting"?
Edit:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-warning-minneapolis-burns-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1217571 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-warning-minneapolis-burns-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1217571)
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2020, 08:49:36 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 29, 2020, 08:17:46 AM
Not having local government on their side is going to severely hamper the police. I can definitely see them making arrangements with local or even out-of-town Neo-Nazis, but if the violence continues isn't there a very real possibility of the governor calling up the National Guard?
This may not actually be the worst solution, given that the army is a whole lot more strict on the situations where you can fire back and kill civilians (I'm not going to claim the US military has anywhere near a perfect record in this regard, but between the two, I'd rather be taken by your military than your police any day of the week, in most jurisdictions). The guard's going to be more racially mixed as well, especially on the front-line units, and hasn't recently been killing black Americans, all factors that may actually work in their favour.
On the other hand, sending in the army worked out really, really poorly in Northern Ireland. It's an escalation, a provocation and it will depend how the Guard would interface with the local police and what the response from the militia movements would be as to how that plays out. If the local police are "equal partners" with them, then you can bet the police will try and turn that to their advantage, which will pit the rioters and protestors against them. And if not, the police may try and spin up the militia crazies with the usual NWO/military takeover crap, especially with a Dem governor.
To be fair after the black and tans, and the sacking of cork, the army deployed to Ireland were there to and demoralise the population, through intimidation and in many cases torture, I mean they did kill a man and use his skull as an ashtray (https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/05/11/news/british-soldiers-used-shot-catholic-man-s-skull-as-ashtray-1617500/).
Agreed, if I was to be picked up I'd prefer the US army seem to at least have a rule set where the US police force seems to be anything goes and different rules town to town, state to state
Oh yeah, it was fucking terrible what they did. I can see the kind of detatched logic that suggests using the Army as a neutral law enforcement body on the theory that they don't have the local roots and rivalries that, for example, the RUC was entirely enveloped by. But at the same time, you send a bunch of trained killers like Para 1 into something they're being told is a warzone...they're going to committ atrocities and that is just blatantly obvious. Not to mention I suspect while "officially neutral" there was more concern about suppressing republican sentiment then there was about unrest in Northern Ireland
per se and so they were, of course, actively colluding with Unionist groups rather than trying to calm the situation down by keeping both the violent Republicans and Unionists contained.
And that's what worries me about the US, if for example the protests spread south. It'll be Republican governors, and they won't be looking to restore order.
Quote from: altered on May 29, 2020, 08:52:27 AM
Doing some research, the NatGuard is apparently civilian, not military. (The military equivalent is the Reserve.) But they also don't get deployed often, and usually in nonviolent contexts, so I doubt they're as aggressively racist and stupid as cops.
They're in a bit of a weird spot, generally. They're also considered part of the military reserve, and they come under the dual command of both the state governor and the US President. Which does raise the alarming prospect of conflicting orders, given Trump being Trump.
Quote from: The Johnny on May 29, 2020, 08:58:06 AM
Didnt Trump already tweet something along the lines of "When the looting starts, so does the shooting"?
Edit:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-warning-minneapolis-burns-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1217571 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-warning-minneapolis-burns-over-george-floyd-s-death-n1217571)
Yes he did. I suspect Trump is dying for a chance to give a "shoot looters on sight" order.
Well, scratch that idea.
(https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100073605_10158009941611708_4046092113203429376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=1480c5&_nc_ohc=iEN3e55mz6oAX9NlF02&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=cd2891ef6517a0899f6bfb8847e19a04&oe=5EF74CD6)
Can't let the manchild have an excuse to preside over a massacre. Keep the National Guard away at all costs.
Quote from: Cain on May 29, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
And that's what worries me about the US, if for example the protests spread south. It'll be Republican governors, and they won't be looking to restore order.
Shit, I see why a full on civil war / race war could ignite out of this
Quote from: Faust on May 29, 2020, 09:10:32 AM
Quote from: Cain on May 29, 2020, 09:01:39 AM
And that's what worries me about the US, if for example the protests spread south. It'll be Republican governors, and they won't be looking to restore order.
Shit, I see why a full on civil war / race war could ignite out of this
That's why I'm concerned and watching closely. That was a risk from the start, now it's becoming one of two options, the other being genocide.
I mean, it could end up there.
At this stage, I'd be more worried about 1960s style widespread civil disorder. Endemic riots, beating, carefully targeted murders and bombings, with everything swept under the rug. The potential to go worse is definitely there, but there are some steps inbetween I would expect to see first.
Quote from: Cain on May 29, 2020, 09:21:15 AM
I mean, it could end up there.
At this stage, I'd be more worried about 1960s style widespread civil disorder. Endemic riots, beating, carefully targeted murders and bombings, with everything swept under the rug. The potential to go worse is definitely there, but there are some steps inbetween I would expect to see first.
I already expect that. The problem I see with that is covering it up now. The internet and smartphones have really fucked their ability to effectively push the state sponsored abuse out of sight.
They can make it harder, but they can't eliminate it without cutting the internet out entirely in these places and destroying every electronic storage device inside of them. It's very much on the level of Transmetropolitan: there will be photos and video and someone will get it out.
When their abuses get exposed, riots will spread and it will very likely radicalize rather than demoralizing. I'm already watching neoliberal types getting converted to leftists in real-time.
The thing that will lock it in will be if white nationalists show up and murder people and get away with the blessing of the cops and it gets caught on video.
And at that stage, genocide or civil war are the options. Coming back from that peacefully is impossible in the current state of affairs.
So at this point, what could Trump do to turn this to his advantage? Because whatever that is, that's what he's going to do.
And given his previous tactics of sowing chaos and then using it for his own benefit, I'm thinking he's probably going to do every thing he can to escalate the situation.
Quote from: Bruno on May 29, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
So at this point, what could Trump do to turn this to his advantage? Because whatever that is, that's what he's going to do.
And given his previous tactics of sowing chaos and then using it for his own benefit, I'm thinking he's probably going to do every thing he can to escalate the situation.
This. Especially because Twitter is putting warnings on his tweets again: that's going to make him want to make a big move to try and scare people into giving him what he wants. He's stupid, petty, and reacts to any push back aggressively. He'll take it out on the protesters if he can.
Quote from: altered on May 29, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
Quote from: Bruno on May 29, 2020, 09:44:48 AM
So at this point, what could Trump do to turn this to his advantage? Because whatever that is, that's what he's going to do.
And given his previous tactics of sowing chaos and then using it for his own benefit, I'm thinking he's probably going to do every thing he can to escalate the situation.
This. Especially because Twitter is putting warnings on his tweets again: that's going to make him want to make a big move to try and scare people into giving him what he wants. He's stupid, petty, and reacts to any push back aggressively. He'll take it out on the protesters if he can.
His supporters want a big big man with a big big dick who isn't afraid to swing it around. Nothing would make them happier than watching rioters cut in half with some good ol' USA 50BMG fire, some napalm dropped on poor neighborhoods, and if a drone strike takes out the local DNC office, well that's just fine too. Set it all to the tune of some John Philip Sousa, or Lee Greenwood... Hell, maybe combine the two, and you've got a number one hit on your hands! It'll have the highest ratings of any police riot ever!
Honestly, I don't think anything would grant that fucker more peace and serenity while laying on his deathbed than having an American civil war named after him.
It already started going down in Kentucky. We'll see if they come back tonight, assuming it doesn't rain again.
I'm just waiting for him to we need to post pone the election - which he can't do without Congressional approval and the Goose absolutely won't play ball - but he'll be yelling about it soon
Quote from: Juana on May 29, 2020, 10:42:50 AM
It already started going down in Kentucky. We'll see if they come back tonight, assuming it doesn't rain again.
I'm just waiting for him to we need to post pone the election - which he can't do without Congressional approval and the Goose absolutely won't play ball - but he'll be yelling about it soon
I think (based on what's being seen elsewhere and my own time protesting) once things start going, the weather doesn't affect much. Rain or shine, people will show up. -20 and snowing, people will show up. It would take a tornado to stop them. People who are protesting on this level feel powerless and want to take back agency in their lives.
The weather barely matters at that stage except as, at worst, further fucking insult. I speak from experience on that part, at least.
Dok, can we leave to Mars already?
Quote from: The Johnny on May 29, 2020, 11:19:31 AM
Dok, can we leave to Mars already?
No. He still hasn't populated the world with self replicating, self repairing murderbots. This is a crucial and necessary act before anyone gets to leave this rock, goddamnit.
https://twitter.com/lalat1na/status/1266321291709120513?s=21
This is very interesting, and I agree with the tweet. This has "no witnesses" built right into it. The fact it's a black reporter in particular is a real, real bad feeling.
I think we are about to see and hear about some truly horrible things. I can't actually say I was prepared, even after everything, for the dread I'm feeling watching this happen. This short clip of a CNN reporter being arrested peacefully on camera is the surface ripples of something truly vile slithering behind the scenes.
This is provocation, designed to rile people up. They're thumbing their noses at the protestors, hoping to anger them. They picked a black reporter for a major channel live on air for precisely that reason, they knew it would get maximum coverage.
When they start arresting all the journalists, that's when they'll do something vile.
They arrested his whole crew, not just him. They started with him first, then did the rest of the crew at that location.
ETA: Also, provocation when the protestors literally burned a police station down last night sounds like they want an excuse to do some vile shit anyway.
Last I heard, CNN's Josh Campbell, who is as white as his name sounds, is still also reporting from Minneapolis (though his Twitter feed is quiet). If he gets arrested as well, then there's a problem.
Interesting, he reported that the police did nothing (https://twitter.com/passantino/status/1266210691616292864) to stop the station from burning down last night.
Apparently the MN Governor ordered the CNN crew's release and called the arrests unacceptable.
These cops have lost the backing of the fucking state govt.
EDIT: Fixed bad info.
CNN's reporting that they've been released (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/minneapolis-cnn-crew-arrested/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3UWUsDOhIybkgiWdEhZ9Cj3xUEOgJ1g_CcnAeZK-gPGSsJ1o6DC58VtcE)
QuoteJimenez and the others -- producer Bill Kirkos and photojournalist Leonel Mendez -- were taken to the city's downtown public safety building, but were released after 6 a.m. CT.
Jimenez, after his release, reported live outside from downtown and said he'd been treated cordially after he'd been led away.
"We're doing OK, now. There were a few uneasy moments there," Jimenez said.
The Minneapolis State Patrol said this about the incident:
"In the course of clearing the streets and restoring order at Lake Street and Snelling Avenue, four people were arrested by State Patrol troopers, including three members of a CNN crew. The three were released once they were confirmed to be members of the media."
CNN disputed the state police characterization in a statement on Twitter.
"This is not accurate - our CNN crew identified themselves, on live television, immediately as journalists. We thank Minnesota @GovTimWalz for his swift action this morning to aid in the release of our crew."
Quote from: The Johnny on May 29, 2020, 11:19:31 AM
Dok, can we leave to Mars already?
Absolutely. Take everyone with you.
Lighting up again tonight in several cities.
I'm hearing a police precint got overrun in Brooklyn after some heavy-handed suppression of a protest and there are some scuffles around the White House?
I'm just waking up mind, and I have no idea if these are from legit sources or not yet.
They're legitimate. There's video of protestors yanking barricades out of the hands of the cops then getting in their face like "you wanna go?"
And two precincts overtaken in two days is clear fucking message. The genie is out of the bottle.
Honestly this whole thing is batshit. All the dreams of 70s hippies coming to life after their useless stoner asses gave up on dreaming.
Atlanta also seems to have had a rough night.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZOZgvPXsAESL5R?format=jpg&name=240x240)
The National Guard was just deployed and an SOE declared in Atlanta, so... not wrong.
I gather this is happening in 24 American cities.
But not Tucson, because our cops are actually pretty decent, plus it's 107F outside and nothing is close to anything.
I'm just glad almost all the protesters I've seen are wearing masks
ON THE SUBJECT OF MASKS AT A RIOT
There is no way to riot at a safe distance. Hell, people can't pull off a march with a six foot bubble. If you get sprayed, that mask is coming off while you get cleaned up, and if you put it back on after you're risking more exposure both contact and inhalation. Masks are falling off when people flee. The people next to you will take them off to yell.
I'm scheduling my brain swab in a couple days. Best to just assume if you go to one of these that it's a potential exposure.
Shit's on fire in Nashville, now. Reports of shit starting up in Lebanon. Both are close to me.
I have to wonder, who is behind all the fires and property damage? Is it protesters legitimately angry about the George Floyd murder, or is it other people with other agendas?
Quote from: Bruno on May 31, 2020, 04:17:21 AM
Shit's on fire in Nashville, now. Reports of shit starting up in Lebanon. Both are close to me.
I have to wonder, who is behind all the fires and property damage? Is it protesters legitimately angry about the George Floyd murder, or is it other people with other agendas?
Reports of accelerationists are coming out. Many out of staters or white suburbanites are trotting in and causing a ruckus.
This is what happens when the Proud Boys don't get the civil war they wanted from the virus.
https://www.deadlinedetroit.com/articles/25396/outside_agitators_white_suburbanites_blamed_for_violence_damage_in_detroit_police_protest?fbclid=IwAR1ojq8lxej162MxxQJ8RA9TEYwqBN28Fa51muBWLsi55HI86qOE9LN_q4Q
DC is hopping - the Reagan building is on fire and two cops accelerated into a crowd earlier.
Livestream of DC rn: https://youtu.be/GktKgs-Vy6U
I don't give a fuck who it is, at this point I sure do want more things on fire. Have a gander! Totally mask-off. https://twitter.com/kingdomcub/status/1266936677198692354?s=21
Oh even more fun!! https://twitter.com/pale_0ntologist/status/1266931772345823234?s=21
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1266927986563059712?s=21
They're using LTL munitions on elected officials asking questions now.
Jesus titty fucking Christ.
I HAVE REALLY GOOD NEWS
https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/status/1266957854659022848?s=21
What the fuck is going on.
https://twitter.com/liibabyluna/status/1267006680002260995?s=21
The only part I haven't seen proof of is the supposed Trump thing.
I'm officially a terrorist now, folks. In fact, everyone here on this forum in the US is officially a terrorist now. Everyone I know and love is a terrorist now.
It's been declared by Diarrhea Emperor Trump to be so.
(https://i.imgur.com/sRaEtcGg.jpg)
Quote from: Cain on May 31, 2020, 06:05:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sRaEtcGg.jpg)
Can't really say so, no. Well, I guess the literally everyone I know and give half a fuck about part is a first.
Quote from: Cain on May 31, 2020, 06:05:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/sRaEtcGg.jpg)
Cain, you know very well that a library card is a weapon of mass destruction
we would all be much free-er if you cut that damn thing up and then do a freedom jig
Quote from: altered on May 31, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
I'm officially a terrorist now, folks. In fact, everyone here on this forum in the US is officially a terrorist now. Everyone I know and love is a terrorist now.
It's been declared by Diarrhea Emperor Trump to be so.
I guess if you're a racist plutocrat, antifa invokes terror.
I've got Antifa listed as my employer on my Facebook profile.
See you in Guantanamo!
So, in order to be a supporter of liberty and freedom in the USA, you have to *checks notes* not be against fascism.
Quote from: LMNO on May 31, 2020, 09:53:45 PM
So, in order to be a supporter of liberty and freedom in the USA, you have to *checks notes* not be against fascism.
More like in order to not be subject to FISA warrants you must not have the intentionally poorly defined "antifa" label applied to you by any means nor be demonstrably aiding of and/or in regular communication with such.
Quote[FISA] requires that surveillance be conducted pursuant to warrants based on probable cause to believe that the target of surveillance is a terrorist, when the desperate need is to find out who is a terrorist."
Effective: October 25, 1978
Enacted by: the 95th United States Congress
The "red hat" folks in the military, intelligence, and law enforcement communities at least nominally loyal to Trump just got a free pass to doxx and even SWAT undesirable citizens all the way to a domestic black site, indefinitely, with no legal representation or recourse, and National Security pretext to keep it on the DL officially.
I think my quip has a better rhythm.
This is more fun than the one time I got on ISIS's kill list.
The protests are already well past the point where most protests (even widespread ones) get in the US, and there doesn't seem to be much sign of them slowing down. In fact tonight is the first night that I've heard constant sirens (it's only 9PM right now) and seen helicopters, so based on my admittedly limited and anecdotal evidence, it seems like the protests are spreading, not shrinking. It's also clear based on statements from law enforcement and government officials that state governments are just about at the limit of their patience. Problem is, if the protesters don't pack it up and go home on their own, and especially if the protests stay as intense as they are or get even moreso, there's really only one way to force the cat back into the bag (hint: it's a Schrodinger's kind of bag except without any mystery).
I am assuming that at some point in the next few days, law enforcement will actually succeed in stamping out most of the public demonstrations (jury's still out on just how bloody that will be but my money isn't on "not at all"). The real question after a widespread uprising like this is how governments will go about ensuring there are no recurrences. Given that the people the government actually listens to have already made it clear that they're not very keen on state-enforced measures to keep public activity to a minimum, I'd expect the emphasis to be on flagrant and more or less open racial profiling and over-policing of low-income areas.
What I don't know is how likely it is that such tactics will inspire more ... creative protests. I tend to think the level of anger and frustration out there is probably not going to drive a lot of people to just flat-out throw large masses of themselves at live rounds. But is there the will, the expertise, and the opportunity for a more underground and long-term insurgent type of movement? Are we looking at, effectively, a police state situation focused on minorities (I mean, even more than usual, which is already a lot), and are people getting to the point of organizing any kind of direct action against that?
Sun's still out here and the whole city's technically 'under' curfew.
We had a peaceful protest on our quaint little square today in Murfreesboro. As soon as it was over, the mayor declared a curfew, and local state of emergency. Within 30 minutes, local police were lobbing tear gas, rubber bullets and flash bangs at anybody still outside chanting slogans.
https://www.dnj.com/story/news/2020/05/31/murfreesboro-protest-george-floyd-tear-gas-curfew/5303260002/?fbclid=IwAR1jMJjvvmLQ-D8SYCTS-sqY7zIBPK3Qddz-Xa8j3E3j-wyNRerVrdL2rzA
NYPD is doxxing the family members of elected officials now.
And I've seen some shit. Cops are truly vile, scum fuck creatures. Point blank canister launches at people's faces, to the point their clothes and hair visibly catch fire from the muzzle flare. Beating the fuck out of old people with canes. Rubber bullets to the eyes.
This is only going to get worse. Minnesota is authorized for live fire.
Quote from: altered on June 01, 2020, 05:33:11 AM
NYPD is doxxing the family members of elected officials now.
And I've seen some shit. Cops are truly vile, scum fuck creatures. Point blank canister launches at people's faces, to the point their clothes and hair visibly catch fire from the muzzle flare. Beating the fuck out of old people with canes. Rubber bullets to the eyes.
This is only going to get worse. Minnesota is authorized for live fire.
In South America, in recent protests, a whole bunch of people were made blind due to deliberate aiming of rubber bullets to the eyes, its the new dirty trend.
Quote from: altered on May 31, 2020, 06:24:13 PM
Well, I guess the literally everyone I know and give half a fuck about part is a first.
Fortunately, the barrier to actually making something a legal terrorist organisation is actually quite high. Despite what Trump thinks, he simply cannot go on Twitter and declare it so.
Especially since domestic terrorism is not a recognised term in the US legal system. He can only designate foreign terrorist organisations as such, and that is where the stricter definitions come into play.
Not that this will stop yahoos in police departments acting
like antifascist groups are domestic terrorists. But the FBI, for example, bases criminal investigations (mostly) on criminal activity, not definitions, and that activity is still by far led by the far-right and then by Islamist groups. There will be no legal basis for the military to hold them, nor for intelligence leads to based off communications between activists.
So this is just another cynical stunt, another election ploy, another cry from the Boy Who Would Be Emperor about how everyone who opposes him are terrible.
Hard to fact check in real time: disregard prior, now deleted thing about "#dcblackout". There might or might not be something there, evidence of either way that story goes exists.
And debunked. Nothing happened in DC really last night.
Well, something happened, insofar as someone crafted a disinfo op about a media and communications blackout in the city.
Almost like someone wants to create panic...
Quote from: Cain on June 01, 2020, 05:38:03 PM
Well, something happened, insofar as someone crafted a disinfo op about a media and communications blackout in the city.
Almost like someone wants to create panic...
Nobody would do
that. This is
America.
I've posted this sentiment before, but feels like a good moment to repeat it.
Today I am thinking about Foucault's position: that the current systems of governance are built on a logic meant to dissipate and confuse resistance to it.
Under the old system (monarchy / feudalism), society was a pyramid, and law & justice ultimately rested on the shoulders of one person. When people got trampled, their anger was directed at that person. Backlash against this system was risky, but decapitating that power hierarchy could actually change it. And one that coup-energy is loose, it's hard to put back in the box. During the French and American revolutions, we had to devise a new system of government, one that could not be so easily compromised by revolt. We invented things like Juries not because 9 random people are any good at determining justice, but in order to protect judges from backlash. Representative government means that regular people are theoretically *responsible* for the laws. This makes public opinion the first battleground for unrest.
This puts reformers in a tricky position - in order to change society in a broken democracy, you have to oppose not just the government agents, but everybody who gives those agents their power.
This means that revolutions in democracies will always be social revolutions. "Us" and "them" are confused and overlapping. This is a built-in principle of our system of government--not a bug, but a feature. We're supposed to fight each other in the streets because the alternative was marching leaders to the guilotines.
https://apnews.com/b3817623ef861818803b5676d43741ea
Quote"Most of you are weak," Trump said. "You have to arrest people."
And
Quote"You've got to arrest people, you have to track people, you have to put them in jail for 10 years and you'll never see this stuff again," said Trump. "We're doing it in Washington, D.C. We're going to do something that people haven't seen before."
Then Barr mumbled some shit.
QuoteAttorney General Bill Barr, who was also on the call, told governors that a joint terrorist task force would be used to track agitators and urged local officials to "dominate" the streets and control, not react to crowds, and urged them to "go after troublemakers."
Then Trump got all FREEDOM
QuoteOn Monday, Trump also spoke of trying to criminalize flag-burning. The Supreme Court has conservative new members since it last ruled on that issue, and Trump said that "I think it's time to review that again."
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 01, 2020, 05:59:56 PM
https://apnews.com/b3817623ef861818803b5676d43741ea
Also,
Quote
"This isn't going to stop until the good guys are willing to use overwhelming force against the bad guys," Buck Sexton wrote in a message amplified by the president.
EXCESSIVE FORCE IS WHAT IGNITED THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
Quote you have to put them in jail for 10 years
Last time I checked, that level of exposure is reserved for a different kind of correctional facility IFF we wanted to get fucking juridical about things.
You can listen to the call here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/listen-to-trumps-unhinged-rant-to-guvs?source=twitter&via=desktop
Tucson has, against its own nature, gone partially potato. 100 arrests over the weekend.
Quote from: Bruno on May 31, 2020, 04:17:21 AM
Shit's on fire in Nashville, now. Reports of shit starting up in Lebanon. Both are close to me.
I have to wonder, who is behind all the fires and property damage? Is it protesters legitimately angry about the George Floyd murder, or is it other people with other agendas?
I suspect it is a mix. Angry people, opportunistic looters, nazis, cops who want to look justified
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 01, 2020, 05:59:56 PM
https://apnews.com/b3817623ef861818803b5676d43741ea
Quote"Most of you are weak," Trump said. "You have to arrest people."
And
Quote"You've got to arrest people, you have to track people, you have to put them in jail for 10 years and you'll never see this stuff again," said Trump. "We're doing it in Washington, D.C. We're going to do something that people haven't seen before."
Then Barr mumbled some shit.
QuoteAttorney General Bill Barr, who was also on the call, told governors that a joint terrorist task force would be used to track agitators and urged local officials to "dominate" the streets and control, not react to crowds, and urged them to "go after troublemakers."
Then Trump got all FREEDOM
QuoteOn Monday, Trump also spoke of trying to criminalize flag-burning. The Supreme Court has conservative new members since it last ruled on that issue, and Trump said that "I think it's time to review that again."
He's not wrong about the required actions, he's just wrong about the correct targets. We need to start arresting cops who assault people, and put them in jail, before it becomes murder.
Martial law declared.
Everyone who told me it would never get this far, FUCKING BITE ME.
Remember your rights under martial law: you have none. Be safe everyone.
Quote from: altered on June 02, 2020, 12:12:39 AM
Martial law declared.
Everyone who told me it would never get this far, FUCKING BITE ME.
Remember your rights under martial law: you have none. Be safe everyone.
It's not martial law.
You still have rights under martial law.
This is the pee-stained replacement Jesus having a fit. My guess is that exactly two (2) governors will take him up on this.
Yeah, true, it's not literally martial law.
But functionally... I can't see him taking any "thanks but no thanks" responses with anything but outrage. And he tends to trample things he doesn't like, and we've seen there's no pushback whatsoever from the political establishment, so.
And yeah, technically you have rights under martial law. But functionally, this dipshit is going to harangue people already chomping at the bit to kill motherfuckers into doing what they already want to do.
Also, I have first hand (me I'm the hand that knows) knowledge of chuds with guns (at least one that is DEFINITELY illegal under the NFA, not saying another fucking word on that because I don't need IDed) going on a hunt now. So even if the military would protect your rights, you have armed goons cosplaying as the military ready to end you. For funsies. So.
We really need to push that this is NOT martial law.
Martial law means that Habeas Corpus is suspended, and military law usurps civilian law. Honestly, that would be an improvement, the Army isn't allowed to kneel on necks.
Sorry.
I could make and want to make a whole bunch of fucking excuses for this, but that would be stupid. All I will say is that I have friends in every single city this shit is happening in and many of them are not in communication and haven't been for over a day.
I'm not thinking with my brain. I'm just panicking.
When that happens, I'm wrong a lot and want to justify it when it's pointed out. But I'm still wrong.
Sorry.
Tear gas protestors so the glowing gibbon can walk to church.
Exactly like jesus said to do.
Quote from: The Johnny on June 01, 2020, 08:51:29 AM
Quote from: altered on June 01, 2020, 05:33:11 AM
NYPD is doxxing the family members of elected officials now.
And I've seen some shit. Cops are truly vile, scum fuck creatures. Point blank canister launches at people's faces, to the point their clothes and hair visibly catch fire from the muzzle flare. Beating the fuck out of old people with canes. Rubber bullets to the eyes.
This is only going to get worse. Minnesota is authorized for live fire.
In South America, in recent protests, a whole bunch of people were made blind due to deliberate aiming of rubber bullets to the eyes, its the new dirty trend.
a photographer lost one of her eyes from a rubber bullet in minneapolis. police allegedly were targeting media. she went to twitter to tell people using her injury as a reason to stop protesting to fuck off.
https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/i-am-permanently-blind-in-my-left-eye-police-target-reporters-covering-george-floyd-protests/
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/george-floyd-protests-photographer-blinded-in-one-eye-as-police-target-media-wh8bxvwpg
by the way everyone, gov. douchey and phoenix cops seems to be helping to hide the murder of one Dion Johnson, who was killed by state troopers while sleeping in his own car last monday.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/phoenix-braces-for-another-night-of-protests-over-deaths-of-george-floyd-dion-johnson/ar-BB14MDrK
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-governor-implementing-statewide-7-day-curfew-amid-protests-george-floyd-dion-johnson-1507700
tucson mayor is extremely annoyed at her and chief magnus learning about the curfew via fuckin twitter. their support of the curfew is tepid at best.
https://www.kold.com/2020/06/01/tucson-leaders-police-work-quickly-enforce-curfew-vigil-rescheduled-hour-earlier/
cops trying to enter premises in DC where homeowners were sheltering protesters that had been cornered by cops so they could gas and mace them easier.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CA6qR4dFI9i/
Yesterday, at 6:40 PM, our Mayor declared a curfew (and local state of emergency) which started at 6:30pm, and which was not announced until 8:30pm.
Here is an account of the event that set this off:
QuoteI would like to be very clear with everyone about what happened at Whiskey Dix.
The window was NOT broken by rioters or protesters. It was 2 white power idiots that came up to me, Cory, and 2 other guys, JUST to take advantage of the way our city is and try to start shit.
We did not retaliate, we told them be on their way.
One of them did not like the way we were so calm, so they rounded the corner to the side of the building we weren't on, and smashed a window.
Other than that, everyone was very peaceful and we spoke with a ton of people, including police.
Quote from: Bruno on June 02, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
Yesterday, at 6:40 PM, our Mayor declared a curfew (and local state of emergency) which started at 6:30pm, and which was not announced until 8:30pm.
Here is an account of the event that set this off:
QuoteI would like to be very clear with everyone about what happened at Whiskey Dix.
The window was NOT broken by rioters or protesters. It was 2 white power idiots that came up to me, Cory, and 2 other guys, JUST to take advantage of the way our city is and try to start shit.
We did not retaliate, we told them be on their way.
One of them did not like the way we were so calm, so they rounded the corner to the side of the building we weren't on, and smashed a window.
Other than that, everyone was very peaceful and we spoke with a ton of people, including police.
that's some bullshit, as far as "local state of emergencies" go.
Yeah, our local police got some armored vehicles a few years ago and are totally bummed that they never get to play with them except during the Christmas parade, so they got a little too frisky Sunday when some protesters blocked an intersection, and were more than happy to accommodate a couple a Nazis trying to cause trouble.
I mean, they gassed the people who were stuck at the intersection right along with the protesters, so I'm sure they were totally stoked about that.
probably! i know tpd used to be so happy to break out their tank, bless their hearts.
although, for Some Reason, i can't find any news reports of the last time they did, even though i distinctly remember it happening. Color Me Surprised!
Super interesting thread - data-based analysis of methods to decrease police violence.
https://twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/richmond-california-murder-rate-gun-death/ a very interesting program, but lacking hard data because it was like five ex-felons and one not ex-felon running it
eta, the chris magnus quoted in the above article is the same chris magnus as is TPD's chief of police now. i read the wikipedia article on him, and while there's certainly problematic things from him career in richmond, namely a lot of accusations of racism from other cops who worked under him, aside from that i would cautiously say he seems like an okay police officer and chief
in fact, one of the articles that's linked to about things that cut down on police violence, the first one with the list of cities? tucson is one of two out of a hundred with all the restrictive policies mentioned adopted.
further eta: magnus came to tucson in 2016, which according to the highlighter is when the policies were changed
So an odd pattern Altered and I noticed emerged on Twitter last night.
There'd be about an hour of mostly silence on p much all the hashtags and then a spurt of information. There were three streams last night in DC and then only one by about 10p my time aaaand everything that came out was about the helicopters. No one had any idea what happened to the Philly protestors after they got kettled somewhere until this morning - the only thing *consistently* available was about the explosions, which were apparently people blowing up ATMs and there were no police scanners available to listen to anywhere in Philly (I checked). More or less the same in a lot of other cities.
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 03:23:41 PM
So an odd pattern Altered and I noticed emerged on Twitter last night.
There'd be about an hour of mostly silence on p much all the hashtags and then a spurt of information. There were three streams last night in DC and then only one by about 10p my time aaaand everything that came out was about the helicopters. No one had any idea what happened to the Philly protestors after they got kettled somewhere until this morning - the only thing *consistently* available was about the explosions, which were apparently people blowing up ATMs and there were no police scanners available to listen to anywhere in Philly (I checked). More or less the same in a lot of other cities.
a discord friend of mine was scouring the internet for DC footage, since they're super close. they had very similar findings, and also saw that twitter was deleting some things. didn't see for myself, but i've known them for a long ass while and they're not the liar liar hyperventilater for hire type. they found some footage posted to instagram finally.
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
Nothing anonymous about the uploading. Check it out: it wants to eat more of your PII than Facebook in an election year. People have been warning against using those tip uploaders for that reason.
The Dallas one was funny, at least, and no one really wants the insane KPop fuckers anyway.
Good job me.
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
The obvious answer is send videos of police. They're protesting an unlawful killing after all.
there's footage of cops, in full riot gear no less, protesting the murders by smashing cop cars floating around somewhere from this morning. or so i have heard, edit because i'm a sourceless bitch.
Quote from: Freeky on June 02, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
there's footage of cops, in full riot gear no less, protesting the murders by smashing cop cars floating around somewhere from this morning. or so i have heard, edit because i'm a sourceless bitch.
There's plenty of cops doing property damage, but they're not
protesting shit. They're intentionally making a bad situation worse by instigating violence to give themselves and excuse to use excessive force. There's also footage of cops delivering pallets of bricks to planned protest sites to encourage protesters to throw them, for the same reason. Absolutely zero people wearing a badge (or hiding it under plain clothes) are your friends. There are no exceptions. All cops are shit-eating pigs who deserve everything bad in life.
Quote from: altered on June 02, 2020, 03:40:31 AM
Yeah, true, it's not literally martial law.
But functionally... I can't see him taking any "thanks but no thanks" responses with anything but outrage. And he tends to trample things he doesn't like, and we've seen there's no pushback whatsoever from the political establishment, so.
And yeah, technically you have rights under martial law. But functionally, this dipshit is going to harangue people already chomping at the bit to kill motherfuckers into doing what they already want to do.
Also, I have first hand (me I'm the hand that knows) knowledge of chuds with guns (at least one that is DEFINITELY illegal under the NFA, not saying another fucking word on that because I don't need IDed) going on a hunt now. So even if the military would protect your rights, you have armed goons cosplaying as the military ready to end you. For funsies. So.
One of the two governors I was talking about was just gagging on Trump's dick this morning. South Carolina.
Texas will be the other one.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 02, 2020, 08:52:33 PM
There's also footage of cops delivering pallets of bricks to planned protest sites to encourage protesters to throw them, for the same reason.
ooh where did you see that? All I've seen is people scratching their heads about where these mysterious bricks portal'd in from, I didn't know anybody caught it on video.
Quote from: Cramulus on June 02, 2020, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 02, 2020, 08:52:33 PM
There's also footage of cops delivering pallets of bricks to planned protest sites to encourage protesters to throw them, for the same reason.
ooh where did you see that? All I've seen is people scratching their heads about where these mysterious bricks portal'd in from, I didn't know anybody caught it on video.
There are several stories about it. BRB.
Well, I found a link where the police have investigated this and said there were no bricks. :lulz:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2020-06-02-nationwide-protests-over-george-floyd-death-live-n1221821/ncrd1222216#liveBlogHeader
:lol:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=256104952160967&external_log_id=9c641afd5afcf80a585bc1cf00fd9a30&q=police%20deliver%20bricks
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2020, 09:36:38 PM
Well, I found a link where the police have investigated this and said there were no bricks. :lulz:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2020-06-02-nationwide-protests-over-george-floyd-death-live-n1221821/ncrd1222216#liveBlogHeader
From the above link:
Quote from: NBCNBC News' Verification Unit geolocated the photos and tracked down the bricks to a Dallas parking lot. They have been there for months, close to a construction site, and can be seen in an image on Google Maps Street View from February.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2020, 09:39:14 PM
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=256104952160967&external_log_id=9c641afd5afcf80a585bc1cf00fd9a30&q=police%20deliver%20bricks
From a reply to the above facebook post:
Quote from: Truth Or Propaganda
Regarding Boston Police Video & Bricks: It actually shows Northeastern Police officers doing something far more innocuous - unloading bricks at the campus police station for storage after they'd removed them from a loosened and unsafe sidewalk a couple blocks away & to ensure Protesters/ Rioters don't use them as projectiles.
That counterclaim seems a little far-fetched, but it's not as if the video presented clear footage of police officers unloading bricks for use by protesters, either. Frankly, I'm not sure
what they're doing.
The idea of police planting bricks for protesters to use doesn't make much sense to me, anyway. You don't want to hand your opponents a weapon to use against you, and it's not like the police require a pretext to escalate the situation. Aren't they're already shooting rubber bullets at people sitting on their front porches?
They don't require a pretext, but it might give them some good PR.
And of course, if the protestors don't take the bait, at the rate their going through tear gas cannisters and rubber bullets, the police might want the bricks in a few days time.
I suppose your not going to defund the police while active riots are on, and fire season starts like this week or next week so.
Quote from: Cain on June 02, 2020, 10:38:57 PM
They don't require a pretext, but it might give them some good PR.
And of course, if the protestors don't take the bait, at the rate their going through tear gas cannisters and rubber bullets, the police might want the bricks in a few days time.
They found their dogs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AslwkgfvEmk&feature=emb_logo
well someone is leaving nice tidy pallets of bricks at these places far from any construction zones and I'm not prepared to believe that the officers who are out watching public spaces 24/7 are just going to let someone do that right before a protest without some kind of shady motive.
That's a pretty standard move. UK police stick their old empty vans where they know people will congregate and inevitably total it. Protestors look like dicks, insurance covers a new van.
This shit may as well have "bait" painted on it, but once a lot of crowds hit particular sizes, there's invariably a dickhead or provocateur. Best response I've seen so far is immediately ID dickhead and escort to police. Its not pretty but its a way to push off the violence for a while. Also ids provocatuers if sloppy police let them walk.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 02, 2020, 08:52:33 PM
Quote from: Freeky on June 02, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
there's footage of cops, in full riot gear no less, protesting the murders by smashing cop cars floating around somewhere from this morning. or so i have heard, edit because i'm a sourceless bitch.
There's plenty of cops doing property damage, but they're not protesting shit. They're intentionally making a bad situation worse by instigating violence to give themselves and excuse to use excessive force. There's also footage of cops delivering pallets of bricks to planned protest sites to encourage protesters to throw them, for the same reason. Absolutely zero people wearing a badge (or hiding it under plain clothes) are your friends. There are no exceptions. All cops are shit-eating pigs who deserve everything bad in life.
i was doing the thing where you fake misunderstand the best moral fiber of everyone involved specifically because it's that outrageously stupid, but okay i guess.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 02, 2020, 09:14:59 PM
Quote from: Freeky on June 02, 2020, 07:24:25 PM
some bullshit
And then 2020 did get worse.
so your panties are still in a twist. fair, honestly, our last real conversations weren't exactly great, with you being you, and i was too immature and inexperienced at effectively communicating what i wanted out of you and forgiving you for shit you didn't say sorry for, i mean. that's honestly on me, for getting worked up about it after the fact. but what did you really expect, with the age gap and all? just curious.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 02, 2020, 11:10:41 PM
well someone is leaving nice tidy pallets of bricks at these places far from any construction zones and I'm not prepared to believe that the officers who are out watching public spaces 24/7 are just going to let someone do that right before a protest without some kind of shady motive.
I googled around a bit, and several of the pictures of piles of bricks I've seen are situated on brick pavements. Some are apparently new bricks, intended to repair the road, and others are old, damaged bricks, that had been removed, and haven't been carted away yet. Admittedly, at least one of the pallets appeared to have no construction purpose that I could see
in frame; but I can't jump from that to "it was obviously sanctioned by the police."
If there were no protests occurring, and you were to sweep heavily trafficked areas in dozens of major cities, looking for sites of brick pavement repair, how many would you expect to find?
Come on, you've got real atrocities being recorded on camera. You don't need to repeat the hypothetical ones until you get more conclusive evidence.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2020, 11:22:02 PM
UK police stick their old empty vans where they know people will congregate and inevitably total it. Protestors look like dicks, insurance covers a new van.
Now
that I find believable. Nobody wants to get hit with a brick, riot gear or otherwise, but there aren't many bits on a van that you can rip off and throw at a cop.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on June 02, 2020, 11:58:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2020, 11:22:02 PM
UK police stick their old empty vans where they know people will congregate and inevitably total it. Protestors look like dicks, insurance covers a new van.
Now that I find believable. Nobody wants to get hit with a brick, riot gear or otherwise, but there aren't many bits on a van that you can rip off and throw at a cop.
... A burning van with ACAB painted though, that's another picture.
Quote from: Freeky on June 02, 2020, 11:35:49 PM
so your panties are still in a twist. fair, honestly, our last real conversations weren't exactly great, with you being you,
Fuck off, Freeky. :lulz:
The second last time we talked, you said we weren't friends.
Then I made the mistake of defending you from one of poptart's alts, same as I would have defended any member of this board.
Then you insisted that we be enemies.
So we're fucking enemies. Which is what you wanted. So enjoy your stay, I will make it just as much fun as you insisted.
I mean, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. This was during the time period where you were camping out at the bus stop across the street from Hat's apartment in one of your weird ass stalking binges.
Doing any more of that, these days?
Anyway, back on topic, here's a fine national disgrace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkf-znzWKRc&t=12&fbclid=IwAR0yA1T8vCBg48cTCP40PWNNYcvVqH9t7bXgyQwia2cio2OF8-t-xwnnoWQ
i said what i said. i'm not going to air out the laundry so you can ban me. and i don't even have to pay attention to what you have to say.
Quote from: Freeky on June 03, 2020, 01:26:54 AM
i said what i said. i'm not going to air out the laundry so you can ban me. and i don't even have to pay attention to what you have to say.
*shrug*
There are four people I will always attack whenever I see them at PD. Eldora, Hugh, Nigel, and yourself...More or less for the exact same reasons.
I haven't banned any of them. But if you think I'm not going to fuck with you endlessly so long as I see you, then I am afraid you have another thing coming. I hate you and you're, you know,
right here.
Whether or not you can ignore that remains to be seen.
so this is a thing that happened last night/this morning:
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1267855000274944001
my discord friends are basically live-blogging everything they come across, and i'll be sure to do much better about sourcing what i say from here on.
Dead link is dead. :lulz:
It worked for me, actually. I'm really fucking proud of the residents who sheltered protestors even as the cops tear gassed their houses and stuff.
Quote from: Doktor Howl
There are four people I will always attack whenever I see them at PD. Eldora, Hugh, Nigel, and yourself...
All this time... I really thought we had something :cry:
Just throw me on the trash heap with the others I guess. :sad: :cry:
Quote from: rong on June 03, 2020, 03:49:00 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl
There are four people I will always attack whenever I see them at PD. Eldora, Hugh, Nigel, and yourself...
All this time... I really thought we had something :cry:
Just throw me on the trash heap with the others I guess. :sad: :cry:
You're just a belligerent drunk. Dime a dozen.
Actually, irl, most folks think I'm pretty cool.
I think the problem is you.
Apparently Maryland has accepted Trump's offer of military help
Quote from: rong on June 03, 2020, 12:15:36 PM
Actually, irl, most folks think I'm pretty cool.
I think the problem is you.
I don't care what you think. :lol:
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 03, 2020, 12:32:25 PM
Apparently Maryland has accepted Trump's offer of military help
Okay, I didn't see that one coming. I was expecting just South Carolina and Texas.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 03, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: rong on June 03, 2020, 12:15:36 PM
Actually, irl, most folks think I'm pretty cool.
I think the problem is you.
I don't care what you think. :lol:
that's what i thought :roll:
Quote from: rong on June 03, 2020, 09:08:04 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 03, 2020, 06:15:07 PM
Quote from: rong on June 03, 2020, 12:15:36 PM
Actually, irl, most folks think I'm pretty cool.
I think the problem is you.
I don't care what you think. :lol:
that's what i thought :roll:
I am, if nothing else, consistent.
Now go stalk someone else, creepy.
DEA is about to be fucking all the shit up: https://blog.norml.org/2020/06/03/dea-assisting-to-the-maximum-extent-possible-in-the-federal-law-enforcement-response-to-nationwide-protests-norml-responds
Quote from: Juana on June 03, 2020, 10:40:08 PM
DEA is about to be fucking all the shit up: https://blog.norml.org/2020/06/03/dea-assisting-to-the-maximum-extent-possible-in-the-federal-law-enforcement-response-to-nationwide-protests-norml-responds
They've also been listening in on phone calls and digging in peoples' computers without a warrant.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/06/doj-gives-dea-permission-surveillance-protesters-george-floyd
Great!
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2020, 09:09:59 AM
Tear gas protestors so the glowing gibbon can walk to church.
Exactly like jesus said to do.
And not even a church he attends.
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
or report police officers.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 04, 2020, 03:10:26 AM
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 02, 2020, 09:09:59 AM
Tear gas protestors so the glowing gibbon can walk to church.
Exactly like jesus said to do.
And not even a church he attends.
He just
supports the narrative that epitomizes
endless and absolute power total dictatorship.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 04, 2020, 03:15:37 AM
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
or report police officers.
Or people pretending to be police officers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNFOIz8jV00&feature=youtu.be
live from the front of the peaceful protest. i've been watching for a while. there's one woman who keeps demanding of one of the airmen look at the black men who walk up and down between the lines. they keep pulling the men who do acknowledge these men, looking them in the eyes and such, towards the back. very few cops at this point.
Quote from: LuciferX on June 04, 2020, 03:26:34 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 04, 2020, 03:15:37 AM
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
or report police officers.
Or people pretending to be police officers.
It may also be useful for people to report themselves doing non violent peaceful shit. Clog it to fuck and break the court system for a year or so, possibly force mass amnesty. A few hundred people turning up at a police station demanding to confess their crimes causes problems.
Either completely reframe the narrative or join the fuck out of the one being pushed.
military are ignoring curfew.
for the moment.
Realistically, between the corona virus furloughs and lock downs, this is the best opportunity I've seen for Ketteling the police.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 04, 2020, 04:05:48 AM
Realistically, between the corona virus furloughs and lock downs, this is the best opportunity I've seen for Ketteling the police.
you're not wrong
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 04, 2020, 04:05:48 AM
Realistically, between the corona virus furloughs and lock downs, this is the best opportunity I've seen for Ketteling the police.
How would we do that?
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 04, 2020, 04:05:48 AM
Realistically, between the corona virus furloughs and lock downs, this is the best opportunity I've seen for Ketteling the police.
Interested. Go on.
https://www.pscp.tv/EyesOpenDC/1ZkJzLZyzEdKv here's a new live feed since the other one went dead.
Utah National Guard are behaving themselves in DC, the crowd is reciprocating. It's been pretty laid back.
Trump has to be shitting square bricks. This isn't what he wanted.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 04, 2020, 04:01:56 AM
Quote from: LuciferX on June 04, 2020, 03:26:34 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 04, 2020, 03:15:37 AM
Quote from: Juana on June 02, 2020, 06:08:40 PM
Pango said something similar.
Also, here's the SLCPD snitch line (http://"https://sbi.utah.gov/crime-tips-upload/") and they're soliciting videos of protestors. Or would be a terrible shame if we...misused them to anonymously upload bullshit
or report police officers.
Or people pretending to be police officers.
It may also be useful for people to report themselves doing non violent peaceful shit. Clog it to fuck and break the court system for a year or so, possibly force mass amnesty. A few hundred people turning up at a police station demanding to confess their crimes causes problems.
Either completely reframe the narrative or join the fuck out of the one being pushed.
The courts are also backlogged as fuck and all it would take is everyone demanding trial by jury to break it- not sure about escalating this to the point of suspending habeas corpus and how that would impact other exceptions
People in my little podunk town are reporting very large, very low flying helicopters flying over the city, wondering if it was supposed to be some kind of show of force. As far as I know, we were not under any curfew tonight.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 04, 2020, 05:37:43 AM
Utah National Guard are behaving themselves in DC, the crowd is reciprocating. It's been pretty laid back.
Trump has to be shitting square bricks. This isn't what he wanted.
That is an interesting narrative that I'm not picking up from any other sources. Do you have any links that I could use to promote it?
Do we think people are aware there's like a 70% chance the MO cops are going to be acquitted?
Historically, everything they did up until the moment of death could be considered in a court of law technically legal; and you know the defense isn't going to allow a majority of progressive or POC people on the jury.
Oh that's cool, federal agents in DC, with no badges and no obligation to identify themselves, are now acting as the DOJ's generic police force. And the DOJ claims they "don't know anything about" who ordered the units not to identify themselves, dismissed it as a conspiracy theory.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/06/who-are-they-unmarked-security-forces-dc-spark-fear/165892/
it's likely the DEA, DHS, and other agencies that have been asked to "pitch in" and do tasks outside of their agencies scope. This means that people with no training about how to deal with civil unrest are now at the front line. Because we don't know who they work for, we also don't know whether they have the right to arrest & detain people, or how exactly you seek legal remedy to whatever they do.
That's assuming these sources aren't blowing smoke up everyone's ass. Just like the "no tear gas" bullshit yesterday. The government is staffed by professional liars who got into power on the back of a massive disinformation campaign that they, at the very least, tacitly welcomed. Why would they start telling the truth now?
I have no doubt there are SORTs there. I just think their numbers are bolstered by some hired guns from Triple Canopy and Dyncorp, which is why they're not answering questions about who they work for.
Right, the only thing they've pried out of these forces is that they "work for the DOJ" which could be Blackwater Mercs for all we know
They probably have some people with real badges down there, because there's enough lawyers in DC that eventually someone will refuse to do something just because some idiot in tacticool gear is telling him to do so. But between the riots and Covid-19, I imagine most forces are tapped to their limits in terms of personnel. So naturally they'll turn to the private sector for support.
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
They probably have some people with real badges down there, because there's enough lawyers in DC that eventually someone will refuse to do something just because some idiot in tacticool gear is telling him to do so. But between the riots and Covid-19, I imagine most forces are tapped to their limits in terms of personnel. So naturally they'll turn to the private sector for support.
Which is mind-bogglingly horrifying all by its lonesome.
Some Italian guy talked about this once, IIRC.
This has some of the ingredients for a nascent coup. If congress and/or the senate act to curtail Trump, I expect things will fall apart quickly.
He did, though under his schema these would technically be classed as auxiliaries, depending on their corporate ownership. Auxiliaries are worse, because while mercenaries are self-interested, they are the tools of other princes.
For example, Frontier Services Group, Erik Prince's current outfit, is bankrolled by the largest state-run conglomerate in China and has routinely expressed interested in working with the Russian-backed Wagner Group. Which is probably why FSG doesn't win many US contracts nowadays.
Quote from: chaotic neutral observer on June 04, 2020, 04:32:56 PM
This has some of the ingredients for a nascent coup. If congress and/or the senate act to curtail Trump, I expect things will fall apart quickly.
The same exact forces that allow destabilized developing nations to fall victim to coups instigated by outside (or inside) actors are at play here. Nothing about being the most advanced and most powerful rogue state with a precarious balance of power makes the balance any less precarious. If we didn't have 200+ years of inertia behind the current system we probably would have had 6 coups in the last 2 years. What really bugs me is that at this point I'd actually be perfectly fine with a coup, as long as it was carried out by our own military and not some mercenaries hired by whoever
Related.
https://apnews.com/7122aaf2c54ed22590a5b8d32565a58f
QuoteBRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — A state investigator alleged Thursday that a white man was heard saying a racial slur as he stood over Ahmaud Arbery's body, moments after killing him with three shots from a pump-action shotgun.
The lead Georgia Bureau of Investigation agent in the case testified that Travis and Greg McMichael and a third man in another pickup, William "Roddie" Bryan, repeatedly used their trucks to chase down and box in Arbery, who repeatedly reversed directions and even jumped into a ditch in a desperate struggle to escape.
Travis McMichael then got out of his truck and confronted Arbery. He told police he shot him in self defense after Arbery refused his order to get on the ground, Special Agent Richard Dial said. A close examination of the video of the shooting shows the first shot was to Arbery's chest, the second was to his hand, and the third was to his chest before he collapsed in the road, Dial said.
The driver of the second pickup truck, William "Roddie" Bryan, who recorded that video, said he heard the gunman say a racist epithet as he stood over Arbery's body before police arrived.
Special prosecutor Jesse Evans said Arbery "was chased, hunted down and ultimately executed."
The evidence presented to support murder charges against the McMichaels and Bryan challenges the self-defense claim. Dial also described evidence that questions the idea that the three men were legitimately carrying out a citizens' arrest of a suspected burglar. He testified that Greg McMichaels told police that "he didn't know if Mr. Arbery had stolen anything or not, but he had a gut feeling" that Arbery had committed prior break-ins in the neighborhood.
https://apnews.com/bfd31c68ddc93030ef93043e5fb8d44c
QuoteThen, with the streets quiet for the first time in days, police said a man ambushed officers on an anti-looting patrol in Brooklyn, stabbing him in the neck. The attacker was shot by responding officers and was in critical condition.
Two officers suffered gunshot wounds to their hands in the chaos, but all three wounded officers were expected to recover.
Police Commissioner Dermot Shea called it "a completely, cowardly, despicable, unprovoked attack on a defenseless police officer." While he declined to say what motivated the attack, he drew a line to the heated rhetoric of the past week, in which angry crowds decrying police violence have also hurled insults, and sometimes bottles, bricks and firebombs, at officers and their vehicles.
"Words matter," Shea said.
For fuck's sake. :lulz:
We have some confirmation of these dudes being mercs (specifically Academi guys) and some confirmation of these dudes being SORT under the Bureau of Prisons. It's possible some SORT officers are moonlighting with PMCs, because they're mixed together.
That said, SORT are the prison riot folks. So they took the riot dudes out of prisons, in a pandemic, in an economic nightmare, while they have the TVs turned off so people can't see the fucking news.
Being in a cell you can't watch TV in is considered the highest punishment short of solitary. People knifed their cellies to get a better view. Not even gang people or violent people, just dudes in for not paying child support and shit.
And they never dare turn the TV off. Unless they absolutely must to avoid riots.
So things are going to get VERY horrible plus VERY funny all at once for COs countrywide. Having been in a prison, I have to say that I hope they like the mess they've made for themselves.
As for cops claiming violent protestors are hurting them, tell me if proof gets released. They got caught on video in NYC cutting open a random jewelry store to blame on protestors. (Nothing stolen.) Then in Austin caught on video gunning for two young folks, one of whom they shot the medics who were trying to help the kid.
And the case for Breonna Taylor was reopened.
They have lost all control of the narrative. They're actively lying to people to try and regain that control. Caught destroying squad vehicles to blame on protestors. Encouraging Nazis in Fishtown neighborhood in Philly. Cops are one of a very few groups who I will dismiss all "oh the protestors are coming for us!" shit about as false flags and/or total fabrication, 100%, all of the time.
Idiot screenwriter gets fired for dumbass posts.
You probably saw his tweet that went viral, describing what he'd do to "looters."
https://apnews.com/9ab31bb8efcb67975cd10185240c4414
Quote"This individual appeared to be running toward the black sedan when suddenly he stopped, taking a kneeling position, and placing his hands above his waist, revealing what appeared to be the butt of a handgun," Williams said.
An officer fired five times through a police car windshield, hitting Monterrosa once, Williams said. Monterrosa had a 15-inch hammer tucked into the pocket of his sweatshirt, the chief said.
Lesson: Don't stop running and surrender. They'll kill you.
Now trump is now selling cammo magahats, calling his supporters "The Trump Army", and telling them they are his "first line of defense against when it comes to fighting off the Liberal MOB"
Oh, and SHOOSH! It's a secret! Don't tell anyone!
https://twitter.com/macinta/status/1268336590121766913
I'm glad to announce that we've actually shifted the Relative Local Overton Window (I'm calling it "RLOW") in my area (Cincinnati) and group of Social Media Friends/Enemies, at least. Bootlickers are shitting on Nazis, supporting BLM (Not as much as I'd like, but I'm a pragmatist. A little support at first gets us closer to full support.), and doxing spreaders of Hate Speech. I mean, we also have more blatant racists exposing themselves, but they're ALL getting the response they deserved by EVERYONE in the room. A few of them have already lost their jobs, and some may end up with broken ankles and knee-caps before the end of the week. Shit, even my hardcore Catholic bootlicker Grandma who's a die-hard Trump Supporter now understands and agrees with the concept of White Privilege.
Unfortunately, it appears the Riot Squads are explicitly targeting Medics in COINTELPRO-like fashion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO), following them home, camping outside their apartments, shooting them in the eyes (No ricochet) with Rubber/Foam Bullets. They're also integrating with Protesters to cop-jacket, steal/sabotage supplies, and stir the pot.
JUST A FEW BAD APPLES THOUGH
We're currently working on development of an SOS App that sends the Latitude/Longitude Coordinates and Google Maps location of your phone to linked Social Media accounts to hopefully improve the medical response time for people under fire from police. I think the plan is also to include instant video recording upon pulling the trigger as well.
so real question... are the protests more or less bottled up and suppressed, or is there just general agreement in the media not to cover them anymore?
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on June 04, 2020, 08:12:57 PM
so real question... are the protests more or less bottled up and suppressed, or is there just general agreement in the media not to cover them anymore?
I'll be going to one with about 3k people on Sunday. I think the amount of people in them has dropped off over the last couple days, but I think it's going to ramp up again. I think a lot of the protesters protested many days in a row, and are taking a bit of a break, and then a large portion are worried about the curfews. Destruction of safety supplies and resources by the police probably doesn't help the turnout either.
So a little of the first one, but not sure about the second one. At least, that's the case in my area.
We might be in a lull, perhaps. Barr's little army is still occupying DC, if nothing else, and I'll be surprised if something doesn't kick off because of it.
Oh, and Trump is making the best fence around the White House even better: https://twitter.com/FitzFox5DC/status/1268590548467748864?s=19
There have been small local protests every night in the Boston area. Some are peaceful, and some have been attacked by the cops.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZmwXJeWAAAlkqo?format=png&name=small)
George Floyd's murderers have been appropriately charged, so that may take the wind out of some people's sails
Second-degree murder does seem appropriate, based on quick read.
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2020, 09:55:30 PM
Second-degree murder does seem appropriate, based on quick read.
That's my take as well, the accomplices also being charged is also important.
True. That said, I think the protests are much larger than George Floyd now. The disproportionate response from the police - along with calls for mass killings from the Senate and Trump himself putting his face on opposition to the protests - has likely given it a momentum all of it's own by this point in time.
This is the band-aid (hopefully) coming off a centuries' old wound, I think, so yep.
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2020, 09:48:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZmwXJeWAAAlkqo?format=png&name=small)
:lulz:
Quote from: Pergamos on June 04, 2020, 10:08:25 PM
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2020, 09:55:30 PM
Second-degree murder does seem appropriate, based on quick read.
That's my take as well, the accomplices also being charged is also important.
Agreed. We're getting some other concessions - there's some of Minneapolis's city council discussing disbanding their PD and LA's mayor is moving $150m to assist Black communities.
Anddd, just like that, confirmed reports of Anti-Freeze poisoning from donated medic waters in Columbus, OH. No one was killed, but now they can only take money donations, and have to order and stock the water themselves.
Quote from: Juana on June 04, 2020, 08:53:31 PM
We might be in a lull, perhaps. Barr's little army is still occupying DC, if nothing else, and I'll be surprised if something doesn't kick off because of it.
Oh, and Trump is making the best fence around the White House even better: https://twitter.com/FitzFox5DC/status/1268590548467748864?s=19
Imagine the president having to bunker in. :lulz:
Quote from: Cain on June 04, 2020, 09:48:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZmwXJeWAAAlkqo?format=png&name=small)
:lulz:
"Let me see that "badge"... wait a second (*whips out glowstick*) that there says...'lifetime member?'"
Quote from: PoFP on June 04, 2020, 11:46:37 PM
Anddd, just like that, confirmed reports of Anti-Freeze poisoning from donated medic waters in Columbus, OH. No one was killed, but now they can only take money donations, and have to order and stock the water themselves.
Holy shit
Quote from: Juana on June 05, 2020, 03:36:43 AM
Quote from: PoFP on June 04, 2020, 11:46:37 PM
Anddd, just like that, confirmed reports of Anti-Freeze poisoning from donated medic waters in Columbus, OH. No one was killed, but now they can only take money donations, and have to order and stock the water themselves.
Holy shit
There
is
no
bottom
https://twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484?s=21&fbclid=IwAR2312qIeUoLq3F4U9bX_Pac3ZdIUr-tnkpG8A7BsmDFoKLgONxc2hg-Qdo
:angrymob:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 04, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
https://apnews.com/bfd31c68ddc93030ef93043e5fb8d44c
QuoteThen, with the streets quiet for the first time in days, police said a man ambushed officers on an anti-looting patrol in Brooklyn, stabbing him in the neck. The attacker was shot by responding officers and was in critical condition.
Two officers suffered gunshot wounds to their hands in the chaos, but all three wounded officers were expected to recover.
Police Commissioner Dermot Shea called it "a completely, cowardly, despicable, unprovoked attack on a defenseless police officer." While he declined to say what motivated the attack, he drew a line to the heated rhetoric of the past week, in which angry crowds decrying police violence have also hurled insults, and sometimes bottles, bricks and firebombs, at officers and their vehicles.
"Words matter," Shea said.
For fuck's sake. :lulz:
I'm just trying to work out the story that makes sense while still including two shot hands. They shot their own hands? They shot each others hands? Anyway you try this it's a couple of fucks that should not be allowed access to firearms, being literally a danger to either themselves or others.
Also, saw the question, will write up ideas for brutal criticism, expect them to have obvious flaws and potential problems but worth a punt.
Quote from: Junkenstein on June 05, 2020, 04:00:19 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 04, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
https://apnews.com/bfd31c68ddc93030ef93043e5fb8d44c
QuoteThen, with the streets quiet for the first time in days, police said a man ambushed officers on an anti-looting patrol in Brooklyn, stabbing him in the neck. The attacker was shot by responding officers and was in critical condition.
Two officers suffered gunshot wounds to their hands in the chaos, but all three wounded officers were expected to recover.
Police Commissioner Dermot Shea called it "a completely, cowardly, despicable, unprovoked attack on a defenseless police officer." While he declined to say what motivated the attack, he drew a line to the heated rhetoric of the past week, in which angry crowds decrying police violence have also hurled insults, and sometimes bottles, bricks and firebombs, at officers and their vehicles.
"Words matter," Shea said.
For fuck's sake. :lulz:
I'm just trying to work out the story that makes sense while still including two shot hands. They shot their own hands? They shot each others hands? Anyway you try this it's a couple of fucks that should not be allowed access to firearms, being literally a danger to either themselves or others.
Also, saw the question, will write up ideas for brutal criticism, expect them to have obvious flaws and potential problems but worth a punt.
Imagine for a moment: five cops bumrush some dude who is having a panic fit, knock him over while he's shrieking in shock, and two start restraining him while yelling "stop resisting". Their buddies, seeing an opportune time to commit egregious assault, pull their guns up and unload on the prone body while the other officers have hands on him.
"OW MARK YOU HIT MY FUCKING HAND"
"FUCK! WE'LL JUST SAY THIS FUCKER DID IT"
Probably followed by all of them gathering around for a heartwarming gangstomping.
More precincts need to be taken and burnt.
There's a thunderstorm in DC tonight and two national guardsman were injured in Lafayette square when lightening struck. :lulz: seems a wee bit Biblical.
https://twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1268769016291758081?s=19
This one goes out to the chuds.
https://twitter.com/manjibutt/status/1268893622671466497?s=21
Also holy fucking shit :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: https://twitter.com/rothschildmd/status/1268702822876409856?s=21
Quote from: altered on June 05, 2020, 02:30:37 PM
This one goes out to the chuds.
https://twitter.com/manjibutt/status/1268893622671466497?s=21
WOW. So it's true - We've actually been Hannah Montana'd (Miley Cirus'd?).
And I got one more. Goddamn!!!
https://twitter.com/emilymbadger/status/1268894519283658753?s=21
I think that's the biggest possible fuck you to Trump. "Don't give a fuck what you have to say we will just keep living our lives while you freak out like the giant toddler you are." Make him feel irrelevant.
EDIT: it got even better
https://twitter.com/mayorbowser/status/1268928589975695361?s=21
And ANOTHER!
https://twitter.com/lisabendermpls/status/1268644819628224513?s=21
I might need to move to Minneapolis. No police! Working on actual community based solutions to criminal issues! What the fuck, I love this.
"I'll fuck any cop that resigns today." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOcaTe-1fZY&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3nHGEbhUHwDb0MagCLHQwYQhGEYSuImvJJ2AP16vymPtW61L33GqHntDg)
Things are spicy here in the US right now. I literally cannot believe what is happening before my very fucking eyes. It's weird as shit.
Cookeville, TN. Intimidation by locals and the feds towards people trying to organize a protest. The FBI apparently interrogated the organizers about their (alleged) connections to Antifa. Whether they actually have any or not, I don't know. Either way I thought it seemed odd, possibly foreboding. Is it an intimidation tactic, or are they actually hunting down anti-fascists in Cookeville?
Also, Marsha Blackburn was on Fox News saying "If you've been on social media and you've been saying 'I know friends that went to the protest, I know friends that went to the riots,' you're probably going to get a knock on your door from the FBI or, in Tennessee, the TBI, and they're going to want to know what you know."
It's all a fuck shit stack. That's all know for sure.
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Quote from: Doktor Howl on June 05, 2020, 03:57:57 AM
https://twitter.com/wbfo/status/1268712530358292484?s=21&fbclid=IwAR2312qIeUoLq3F4U9bX_Pac3ZdIUr-tnkpG8A7BsmDFoKLgONxc2hg-Qdo
:angrymob:
https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/protester-pushed-to-ground-by-buffalo-police-is-longtime-peace-activist-from-amherst/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=puma&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1D4BYHpeUcKfy-xT3I1z4tLxBKsiAUzs9x9F-kMw0ez7gksM5cjQ1YW6g#Echobox=1591367649
Sorry, Howl, Tucson cops are all fucking horrid cretins too, and they just got legal support that is unspeakably shitty. No accountability. They'll lie down your fucking throat at any juncture with this:
https://twitter.com/artsymarxist/status/1269145707237175296?s=21
And even though it will get shot down in court if we are lucky, that's more than enough time for them to perform a full fucking ethnic cleansing if they are so inclined.
Btw, theres echoes of the riots down here in several cities in Mexico, its kinda weird:
https://twitter.com/i/events/1269004961326567424
Yesterday they set a policeman on fire in Guadalajara, and today theyre outside the capitols embassy of the US; this started out because a construction worker was beaten to death, allegedly for not wearing a mask (for Covid and all that).
Its weird cause police brutality is like an everyday normal thing, i guess everyones on edge and its just an outlet.
Quote from: altered on June 06, 2020, 09:40:48 AM
Sorry, Howl, Tucson cops are all fucking horrid cretins too, and they just got legal support that is unspeakably shitty. No accountability. They'll lie down your fucking throat at any juncture with this:
https://twitter.com/artsymarxist/status/1269145707237175296?s=21
And even though it will get shot down in court if we are lucky, that's more than enough time for them to perform a full fucking ethnic cleansing if they are so inclined.
https://twitter.com/whatsuptucson/status/1269278592367656960 a clarification on that, though it's still sketchy timing
eta i'm reading the subthread by artsy marxist, who says they have a lawyer friend commenting on it. the entire thread is worth reading really
(https://i.imgur.com/5cKc9iD.jpg)
:lulz:
(https://i.imgur.com/YyXmATV.jpg)
Quote from: Cramulus on June 08, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YyXmATV.jpg)
Woop, there it is.
Tbf, they do fit the description.
Quote from: Juana on June 08, 2020, 09:54:30 PM
Tbf, they do fit the description.
They also were caught doing the crime on video most of the time.
That said, they really do need to stop resisting. We might let them have some sort of ceremonial duty.
Quote from: The Johnny on June 06, 2020, 12:06:26 PM
Btw, theres echoes of the riots down here in several cities in Mexico, its kinda weird:
https://twitter.com/i/events/1269004961326567424
Yesterday they set a policeman on fire in Guadalajara, and today theyre outside the capitols embassy of the US; this started out because a construction worker was beaten to death, allegedly for not wearing a mask (for Covid and all that).
Its weird cause police brutality is like an everyday normal thing, i guess everyones on edge and its just an outlet.
Statistically Mexicans are equally likely to be brutalized by Police in Mexico or the US, Blacks are considerably more likely to be brutalized by police in the US than Mexico.
Quote from: Pergamos on June 09, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on June 06, 2020, 12:06:26 PM
Btw, theres echoes of the riots down here in several cities in Mexico, its kinda weird:
https://twitter.com/i/events/1269004961326567424
Yesterday they set a policeman on fire in Guadalajara, and today theyre outside the capitols embassy of the US; this started out because a construction worker was beaten to death, allegedly for not wearing a mask (for Covid and all that).
Its weird cause police brutality is like an everyday normal thing, i guess everyones on edge and its just an outlet.
Statistically Mexicans are equally likely to be brutalized by Police in Mexico or the US, Blacks are considerably more likely to be brutalized by police in the US than Mexico.
I dont understand what your point is, but, that's just because "gringo" trumps the "black/browness" characteristic, but worry not, we hate indigenous brown people too.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAsrVFXD3Ju/?utm_source=ig_embed
i just watch all this from afar - with a mix of horror and hope.
this morning i had a weird conversation with someone who mentioned that BLM is racist.
frankly, at this point - i have no words, nor do i know what it must feel like to live in the middle of this whole clusterfuck.
europe has its own problems with rising facsism, systemic racism, and age old bigotry ingrained into the very fabric of the social construct. but this? i ... dunno.
damn, i miss lockdown. when people stayed the fuck inside / away from me, and let me live my life in peace for once.
Europe likes to pretend it has a better handle on racism than the USA...then you mention Muslims or Roma and you can see the calls for the concentration camps coming in.
Quote from: Ari Atari on June 10, 2020, 04:47:39 PM
this morning i had a weird conversation with someone who mentioned that BLM is racist.
Yup, happened to me yesterday. Some seem to think that "systemic" racism is a spell occasioned or invoked by any conversation about racism. It's adorable like when my lettuce snaps back at me with a carnivorous set of teeth. To further complicate matters, it was an Iranian refugee explaining Larry Elder to me... I think I may need a vacation now.
One thing I've noticed that makes talking about systemic racism difficult is that all of our language around racism (and I saw a black Salish Nation anarchist talking about this recently) is individualistic and active. Racism is something you do, you are guilty of, racism is people acting out something, and these ideas are baked into the very language for it.
Systemic racism sounds like an oxymoron. Think of the concept of "systemic beatboxing" — it's a complete nonsequitur. "Systemic drunk driving." "Systemic sports."
We don't have words for racism that aren't sunken in this individualistic, active connotation, which makes it sound like total gibberish if you don't see it first hand.
Quote from: Ari Atari on June 10, 2020, 04:47:39 PM
this morning i had a weird conversation with someone who mentioned that BLM is racist.
Find better conversations.
So there's this area in Seattle that's calling itself the "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone". Some people are referring to it as "Antifa's Autonomous Zone" because of course they are. Everything is Antifa now. :roll:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/welcome-to-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone-where-seattle-protesters-gather-without-police/
Anyway, It's kind of vague what's going on there. According to some, warlords are claiming territory and demanding protection money, and white supremacist neo-nazis are on their way there along with the usual mishmash of boogalooers and armed superpatriots to liberate it from gay space communist anarchist antifa whatever.
All of this "information" is, of course, coming from self-proclaimed "pundits" and "experts" who are not actually there, and therefore know no more about what's going on there than anyone else with access to Google.
Ah yes, the vicious Antifa warlords who are, allegedly, beating people up.
Warlord standards are slipping.
I have friends on the inside of Capitol Hill.
It's just a bunch of nerds and local businesses saying that the police stay out. The cops keep lying on the scanners about Nazis on their way there, and they've begun lying to the media about what's going on there, talking about extortion and armed checkpoints. But it's just people living their lives without police, is what it boils down to.
Doing a good job of it too. Local businesses are running basically full-time and apparently making better than normal money despite a lot of free service to protestors.
Quote from: altered on June 11, 2020, 10:27:28 AM
I have friends on the inside of Capitol Hill.
It's just a bunch of nerds and local businesses saying that the police stay out. The cops keep lying on the scanners about Nazis on their way there, and they've begun lying to the media about what's going on there, talking about extortion and armed checkpoints. But it's just people living their lives without police, is what it boils down to.
Doing a good job of it too. Local businesses are running basically full-time and apparently making better than normal money despite a lot of free service to protestors.
thanks for that, really curious to hear any other impressions from the ground level.
Quote from: altered on June 11, 2020, 10:27:28 AM
I have friends on the inside of Capitol Hill.
It's just a bunch of nerds and local businesses saying that the police stay out. The cops keep lying on the scanners about Nazis on their way there, and they've begun lying to the media about what's going on there, talking about extortion and armed checkpoints. But it's just people living their lives without police, is what it boils down to.
Doing a good job of it too. Local businesses are running basically full-time and apparently making better than normal money despite a lot of free service to protestors.
Well, I wish them the best of luck. If any Nazis do show up, I hope they're delicious.
Quote from: Cain on June 11, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
Ah yes, the vicious Antifa warlords who are, allegedly, beating people up.
Warlord standards are slipping.
At least in this case there seems to be some actual Antifa involvement beyond the usual invisible buses and such.
https://twitter.com/RainCityAntifa
Quote from: altered on June 10, 2020, 08:13:00 PM
One thing I've noticed that makes talking about systemic racism difficult is that all of our language around racism (and I saw a black Salish Nation anarchist talking about this recently) is individualistic and active. Racism is something you do, you are guilty of, racism is people acting out something, and these ideas are baked into the very language for it.
Systemic racism sounds like an oxymoron. Think of the concept of "systemic beatboxing" — it's a complete nonsequitur. "Systemic drunk driving." "Systemic sports."
We don't have words for racism that aren't sunken in this individualistic, active connotation, which makes it sound like total gibberish if you don't see it first hand.
I appreciate the distinction, I think, in the sense of emphasizing the active part. In the way of it being characterized as activity I suppose is how the mental component thereof can be considered pervasive to the extent of being systemic-like. Any implied reference to the physiology of the circulatory system would itself count as most probably racist in this context. So I concede the term is not appropriate to now.
Systemic racism isn't active at all though. It's the opposite. Nothing at all needs to be done for it to stay racist. No one needs to be behind it for it to stay racist. So long as the system is the way it is, it will be racist forever. You can even make a great many changes to it without destroying its fundamental racism. You can swap all the people around in terms of their roles within the system and the system will recover its original racist intent without any particular effort.
"Racism" doesn't lend itself to talking about this kind of a system. Racism is a thing that someone does. We call a person a bigot because they engage in bigotry, but the system doesn't engage in racism, it is the structure of racism.
But if you talk about "the structure of racism" you start talking in terms that white people read and go "oh, so we can just pull the racism out and keep the rest". When the issue is that there is no "rest": the entire basis of Western civilization is colonialism is systemic racism, full stop, end of story. There's almost nothing else left in modern Western governance once you remove the racism. Rebuilding it without the racism part is kind of like rebuilding the Tower of London without rocks, or a modern skyscraper without glass. It's a contradiction in terms, what you get is simply not sensible for normal use anymore.
(Sound doubtful? Easiest possible proof is that there is any place on earth where people are legally forbidden to survive under some circumstance, no matter how ridiculous. It turns out we have a lot of these, and not just in the US. If you're starving almost anywhere in the world and you steal to get food... just for starters.
Now, who is this sort of criminalization of survival going to disproportionately affect? Poor people. And who is going to make up the bulk of that group? The traditionally unwanted people, starting with non-whites and working their way down depending on locale, because they have no chance to get rich before the criminalization of being poor destroys their access to social mobility.)
But no one wants to hear that sort of thing, because that involves actual change and real work. They'd rather play a sad song, paint over a billboard, give one person a mediocre check, and call it a day.
Quote but the system doesn't engage in racism, it is the structure of racism.
That makes sense
Quote from: altered on June 12, 2020, 04:38:48 AM
But if you talk about "the structure of racism" you start talking in terms that white people read and go "oh, so we can just pull the racism out and keep the rest". When the issue is that there is no "rest": the entire basis of Western civilization is colonialism is systemic racism, full stop, end of story. There's almost nothing else left in modern Western governance once you remove the racism. Rebuilding it without the racism part is kind of like rebuilding the Tower of London without rocks, or a modern skyscraper without glass. It's a contradiction in terms, what you get is simply not sensible for normal use anymore.
I haven't thought this one through yet but if I read colonialism as capitalism, then the exploit of stacking those rocks and glass was built on the surplus labor of the oppressed. Mechanization and automation has not yet solved that problem as technological advance is still coupled to our current hyper leveraged system of meritocracy. So here we go, pumping the brakes and all.
Capitalism is one part of it. A culture of guilt and punishment is another. A culture of comfort is yet another. Not to knock comfort in a personal sense, I'm talking about societal comfort: we don't have anything like a culture of ACCOUNTABILITY or SELF-CORRECTION for instance. We always blame, we always rationalize.
I'm also talking about social comfort: we prioritize "being ourselves" over "being decent people" to a fault. I'm a Discordian, I'm as fond of self-expression as everyone else here. That said, there comes a hard limit, and when your expression calls for genocide you should not be allowed to say "it's just my opinion calm down". You should have to confront that.
If we had a culture of questioning and confronting each other in meaningful ways, we'd have an easier time with this, to the point where confrontation and questioning wouldn't be considered a threat to self-expression. I have to imagine that racism and bigotry wouldn't last as long as it has in that world.
This list goes on. We have a hierarchical culture, we have a culture where morality comes from power rather than the inverse (or better still, completely eliminating the association of power with morality), and on and on and on. Every piece of Western civilization is one brick in a towering monument of racism and inequality. You can't just attack "capitalism", that gets you Stalinism or Maoism, which are basically identical except brutally oppressive and with less illusion of freedom. There is so so sooooo much more to fix before the dismantling of capitalism is even on the table, and there will be more after that, and racism remains a part of every one of those things that need worked on, so you can't be like "yes we will take these things out to reach The Racism and then reassemble the outer facade." No. It's all The Racism, or else the basic fundamental skeleton of any civilization at all. The only meat on the bones is racist.
One of my favorite people on youtube is in The CHAZ tonight trying to give an honest view of what's really going on there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q6Jp4CX_kw
Quote from: altered on June 12, 2020, 05:19:53 AM
Capitalism is one part of it. A culture of guilt and punishment is another. A culture of comfort is yet another. Not to knock comfort in a personal sense, I'm talking about societal comfort: we don't have anything like a culture of ACCOUNTABILITY or SELF-CORRECTION for instance. We always blame, we always rationalize.
I'm also talking about social comfort: we prioritize "being ourselves" over "being decent people" to a fault. I'm a Discordian, I'm as fond of self-expression as everyone else here. That said, there comes a hard limit, and when your expression calls for genocide you should not be allowed to say "it's just my opinion calm down". You should have to confront that.
If we had a culture of questioning and confronting each other in meaningful ways, we'd have an easier time with this, to the point where confrontation and questioning wouldn't be considered a threat to self-expression. I have to imagine that racism and bigotry wouldn't last as long as it has in that world.
This list goes on. We have a hierarchical culture, we have a culture where morality comes from power rather than the inverse (or better still, completely eliminating the association of power with morality), and on and on and on. Every piece of Western civilization is one brick in a towering monument of racism and inequality. You can't just attack "capitalism", that gets you Stalinism or Maoism, which are basically identical except brutally oppressive and with less illusion of freedom. There is so so sooooo much more to fix before the dismantling of capitalism is even on the table, and there will be more after that, and racism remains a part of every one of those things that need worked on, so you can't be like "yes we will take these things out to reach The Racism and then reassemble the outer facade." No. It's all The Racism, or else the basic fundamental skeleton of any civilization at all. The only meat on the bones is racist.
Do you think that it all boils down to a type of tribalism? There's no values, just "in-group" and "out-group", it just happens to be that one of the major manifestations of tribalism is race.
I am way behind on my reading and understanding of history - at best. Please correct me.
But aren't there indicators that the whole witchhunt business was more about getting women out of leading roles within the social construst than fighting "zie devil"?
Cause ultimately this was perfect grounds for the rise of capitalism and to reduce the idea of womanhood to breeding more labor stock and being obedient to the patriarchs? And as it was with the lynchings and how i kinda see authority wielding its sticks today; especially when it comes to poc -- the point was hammered home: if you try to resist, we will fuck you up. Hard.
"Did we make our point?? Okay so we stop doing it this openly from here on out, but remember we can start again any time."
Quote from: Ari Atari on June 12, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
I am way behind on my reading and understanding of history - at best. Please correct me.
But aren't there indicators that the whole witchhunt business was more about getting women out of leading roles within the social construst than fighting "zie devil"?
Cause ultimately this was perfect grounds for the rise of capitalism and to reduce the idea of womanhood to breeding more labor stock and being obedient to the patriarchs? And as it was with the lynchings and how i kinda see authority wielding its sticks today; especially when it comes to poc -- the point was hammered home: if you try to resist, we will fuck you up. Hard.
"Did we make our point?? Okay so we stop doing it this openly from here on out, but remember we can start again any time."
It was about seizing property and grazing rights. Giles Corey was a good example.
Specifically regarding witch-hunts, they also coincided frequently with civil or international wars (the English civil war, the Thirty Years War) and usually in the context of Protestant fanaticism (south west Germany is a notable exception, and of course it was witch-obsessed German Inquisitors who prevailed upon the Pope to condemn witches - against the policy of the Vatican that witches do not exist - and wrote the infamous Malleus Maleficarum).
https://apnews.com/54bb86a085c3b720613508e7b7d8f8af
QuoteOKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — An Oklahoma man who was paralyzed from the waist down in a fall from a bridge when a truck drove through a crowd of protesters in Tulsa is improving, his brother said Wednesday.
Ryan Knight, who lives in Tulsa, fell at least 20 feet from an interstate overpass on May 31 as a truck pulling a horse trailer drove through the crowd protesting the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police, according to Randy Knight.
Oh, yeah.
QuoteThe driver of the truck was questioned but not arrested, as the investigation is weeks from being completed, said Oklahoma Highway Patrol spokesperson Sarah Stewart. Stewart said no further information would be released at this time, including the driver's explanation as to why he drove through the crowd.
Quote from: altered on June 12, 2020, 05:19:53 AM
Capitalism is one part of it. A culture of guilt and punishment is another. A culture of comfort is yet another. Not to knock comfort in a personal sense, I'm talking about societal comfort: we don't have anything like a culture of ACCOUNTABILITY or SELF-CORRECTION for instance. We always blame, we always rationalize.
I'm also talking about social comfort: we prioritize "being ourselves" over "being decent people" to a fault. I'm a Discordian, I'm as fond of self-expression as everyone else here. That said, there comes a hard limit, and when your expression calls for genocide you should not be allowed to say "it's just my opinion calm down". You should have to confront that.
If we had a culture of questioning and confronting each other in meaningful ways, we'd have an easier time with this, to the point where confrontation and questioning wouldn't be considered a threat to self-expression. I have to imagine that racism and bigotry wouldn't last as long as it has in that world.
This list goes on. We have a hierarchical culture, we have a culture where morality comes from power rather than the inverse (or better still, completely eliminating the association of power with morality), and on and on and on. Every piece of Western civilization is one brick in a towering monument of racism and inequality. You can't just attack "capitalism", that gets you Stalinism or Maoism, which are basically identical except brutally oppressive and with less illusion of freedom. There is so so sooooo much more to fix before the dismantling of capitalism is even on the table, and there will be more after that, and racism remains a part of every one of those things that need worked on, so you can't be like "yes we will take these things out to reach The Racism and then reassemble the outer facade." No. It's all The Racism, or else the basic fundamental skeleton of any civilization at all. The only meat on the bones is racist.
Those are some high standards there, I can respect that. If we want to talk responsibility, accountability, correction and stuff then it might be that there is no beef at all, like you say. Then I default to well, 'I guess they were right, racism really ain't no thing at all,' only thinking and so forth. Then would we still have to make up a story about it if people didn't correct on their own recognizance and such?
ETA:
It's not irrational to think that there are ways forward that do not involve this level of exploitation.
(...and then)
Identity politics and how that line we talked about tends to stop right at people's noses, or enter the fucking thought police and lets give their concept of self the third degree.
First of all, they aren't high standards. Identify the three most important things to Western civilization in your opinion and go look the history of them up. What will you find? They were created to increase, reinforce or create inequality, full stop. Repeat until you get bored or realize that our idea of civilized society is a sham built on exploitation, inequality and suffering.
Secondly, we already have models of less exploitative cultures. It's just that we look at them as primitive garbage, thanks to imperialism
They don't map 1:1 from tribal scale to nation-state scale, but I'd rather adopt something that is expected to fail and identify and solve the problems with it from the word go than to try and pull the racism out of what we have already.
I feel like the creation of autonomous zones like is happening in Seattle is a great way to do this: you can start with an ethical thing built for a small group in a limited area, expand until you run into problems with the implementation, and fix them before you continue adding new people to it. If you fail, your failure is limited in the extent of its damage.
Quote from: altered on June 12, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
First of all, they aren't high standards. Identify the three most important things to Western civilization in your opinion and go look the history of them up. What will you find? They were created to increase, reinforce or create inequality, full stop. Repeat until you get bored or realize that our idea of civilized society is a sham built on exploitation, inequality and suffering.
Secondly, we already have models of less exploitative cultures. It's just that we look at them as primitive garbage, thanks to imperialism
They don't map 1:1 from tribal scale to nation-state scale, but I'd rather adopt something that is expected to fail and identify and solve the problems with it from the word go than to try and pull the racism out of what we have already.
I feel like the creation of autonomous zones like is happening in Seattle is a great way to do this: you can start with an ethical thing built for a small group in a limited area, expand until you run into problems with the implementation, and fix them before you continue adding new people to it. If you fail, your failure is limited in the extent of its damage.
To demand freedom is a high standard, unfortunately, as the trivial telos you reference proves.
As you know, I'm all for the TAZ, minus that other problematic character. As for the mapping, it's actually more accurate for it to plan locally as the horizon is dropping off far more quickly than can otherwise be maintained by false tangents to it. The model then becomes cellular and symbiotic instead of parasitic. Given my limited understanding, my guess is that would scale-up...coming from someone that sometimes questions the sovereignty of his own mind.
ETA:
To then obtain freedom AND maintain each person's individual sovereignty and autonomy; that would be a thing.
Quote from: The Johnny on June 10, 2020, 12:49:32 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on June 09, 2020, 03:16:07 PM
Quote from: The Johnny on June 06, 2020, 12:06:26 PM
Btw, theres echoes of the riots down here in several cities in Mexico, its kinda weird:
https://twitter.com/i/events/1269004961326567424
Yesterday they set a policeman on fire in Guadalajara, and today theyre outside the capitols embassy of the US; this started out because a construction worker was beaten to death, allegedly for not wearing a mask (for Covid and all that).
Its weird cause police brutality is like an everyday normal thing, i guess everyones on edge and its just an outlet.
Statistically Mexicans are equally likely to be brutalized by Police in Mexico or the US, Blacks are considerably more likely to be brutalized by police in the US than Mexico.
I dont understand what your point is, but, that's just because "gringo" trumps the "black/browness" characteristic, but worry not, we hate indigenous brown people too.
my point is that the everyday normal police brutality level there is the same as in the US (for Hispanics), and actually considerably better than what black Americans face. I may have been making a faulty assumption in thinking you didn't think police brutality was an every day thing north of the border too.
Quote from: Cain on June 10, 2020, 05:38:31 PM
Europe likes to pretend it has a better handle on racism than the USA...then you mention Muslims or Roma and you can see the calls for the concentration camps coming in.
As a descendent of Roma refugees from WWII I am really grateful for the fact that in the US Gypsies are white.
A rich white couple in St. Louis decided to come outside and wave guns at some protesters who were walking by their house on their way to protest in front of Mayor Lyda Krewson's house.
QuoteThe protest came two days after a Facebook Live news briefing in which Krewson read the names and street addresses of protesters who are calling on the city to defund the police department,
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-st-louis/63-915a4a2f-071f-4f01-b5b8-398790d615ca
Kinda cool how well this 3 week long full retard super spreader event was timed with the also retarded reopening.
Quote from: Bruno on June 29, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
A rich white couple in St. Louis decided to come outside and wave guns at some protesters who were walking by their house on their way to protest in front of Mayor Lyda Krewson's house.
QuoteThe protest came two days after a Facebook Live news briefing in which Krewson read the names and street addresses of protesters who are calling on the city to defund the police department,
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-st-louis/63-915a4a2f-071f-4f01-b5b8-398790d615ca
It was a private road in a gated community. It was also the exact same day BLM beat the shit out of an old Catholic man by the St. Louis statue.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebo5kr4XgAIg3nD?format=jpg&name=small)
Context in this thread:
https://twitter.com/CMartinForMO/status/1277299606699851777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Kinda cool how the media will just flat lie about these things now though. Its almost as if they want certain people(kulaks) to die.
https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/6/30/21308526/gunman-shot-driver-then-hid-weapon-continued-protest-provo-police-say-blm
Shooting a Mormon in Utah is rarely a good idea, long term.
Quote from: methbong on July 03, 2020, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: Bruno on June 29, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
A rich white couple in St. Louis decided to come outside and wave guns at some protesters who were walking by their house on their way to protest in front of Mayor Lyda Krewson's house.
QuoteThe protest came two days after a Facebook Live news briefing in which Krewson read the names and street addresses of protesters who are calling on the city to defund the police department,
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-st-louis/63-915a4a2f-071f-4f01-b5b8-398790d615ca
It was a private road in a gated community. It was also the exact same day BLM beat the shit out of an old Catholic man by the St. Louis statue.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebo5kr4XgAIg3nD?format=jpg&name=small)
Context in this thread:
https://twitter.com/CMartinForMO/status/1277299606699851777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Kinda cool how the media will just flat lie about these things now though. Its almost as if they want certain people(kulaks) to die.
Can't you just feel the edge, folks?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 03, 2020, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: methbong on July 03, 2020, 05:17:10 PM
Quote from: Bruno on June 29, 2020, 06:21:25 AM
A rich white couple in St. Louis decided to come outside and wave guns at some protesters who were walking by their house on their way to protest in front of Mayor Lyda Krewson's house.
QuoteThe protest came two days after a Facebook Live news briefing in which Krewson read the names and street addresses of protesters who are calling on the city to defund the police department,
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-st-louis/63-915a4a2f-071f-4f01-b5b8-398790d615ca
It was a private road in a gated community. It was also the exact same day BLM beat the shit out of an old Catholic man by the St. Louis statue.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ebo5kr4XgAIg3nD?format=jpg&name=small)
Context in this thread:
https://twitter.com/CMartinForMO/status/1277299606699851777?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Kinda cool how the media will just flat lie about these things now though. Its almost as if they want certain people(kulaks) to die.
Can't you just feel the edge, folks?
Feel the edge of telling the truth?
Feeling the edge of being banned for evading a ban.
GTFO. The last thing the world needs right now is your weird passive aggressive shit.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 03, 2020, 06:23:56 PM
Feeling the edge of being banned for evading a ban.
GTFO. The last thing the world needs right now is your weird passive aggressive shit.
Weirdly passivly aggressively telling the truth? This is a super spreader event. Tons of people are going to die and the economy will never recover in your lifetime, and you all cheerleaded it the entire time to own the Kulaks.
(https://i.redd.it/t4c2t15expz41.jpg)
Youre awful Rodger.
Imagine being such a slave to any new trend that you actually start worshiping the joker.
And Ron Paul Weed/Methbong has left the building.
I know he's left, but for any other mouthbreathers still around, the early data is pretty promising that the protests did not do much in the way of spreading the virus. Current working theory is that mask usage was very high.
wE lIvE iN a SoCiEtY, YoU wOuLdN't GeT iT
I don't understand why he was equating kulaks with yuppies. I have friends that are kulaks, kulaks are small farmers. Yuppies and Kulaks may both be petit bourgoisis, but not all petit bourgoisis are the same.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on July 03, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Imagine being such a slave to any new trend that you actually start worshiping the joker.
And Ron Paul Weed/Methbong has left the building.
Shock. Surprise. Horror. Amazement.
I feel none of the above.
He was making it just a little obvious, wasn't he?
ZTI agents have been sighted in Portland. He's brought in mercs.
Haha nevermind, it's ZT1, a call sign for a US marshal unit.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-race-portland-valor-idUSKCN24N2SH?utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0kveArlF8ALkLj0I_0JFn_7WXDLwp6_agdwJmxLsqiFMu1hqZvDuOXn1c
What a time to be alive.
Quote from: Juana on July 25, 2020, 12:33:58 AM
ZTI agents have been sighted in Portland. He's brought in mercs.
Haha nevermind, it's ZT1, a call sign for a US marshal unit.
Don't worry - It's only a matter of time. He has to run out of Fed goons or have them proven ineffective first. I give him 2 weeks.
EDIT: By proven ineffective, I mean like when the crowd pushed the goons into the court house and lit its wooden defense wall on fire
in the morning.
Portland citizens are my fucking heroes.
Quote from: PoFP on July 25, 2020, 03:05:31 AM
Quote from: Juana on July 25, 2020, 12:33:58 AM
ZTI agents have been sighted in Portland. He's brought in mercs.
Haha nevermind, it's ZT1, a call sign for a US marshal unit.
Don't worry - It's only a matter of time. He has to run out of Fed goons or have them proven ineffective first. I give him 2 weeks.
EDIT: By proven ineffective, I mean like when the crowd pushed the goons into the court house and lit its wooden defense wall on fire in the morning.
Portland citizens are my fucking heroes.
D'oh! Spoke to soon. Looks like they are/were using Blackwater descendant Mercs (I knew Betsy Devos's familial connections to Blackwater/Academi would come into play at some point.):
https://medium.com/@wkc6428/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0
Erik Prince doesn't run Blackwater any more, nor have anything to do with their merger with Triple Canopy. He hasn't had anything to do with them for 11 years. Prince's current company is the Frontier Services Group and since they're fully bankrolled by the Chinese government's investment company and have sought - repeatedly - to do business with the Wagner Group, they are effectively blacklisted for work in the US.
Constellis, the Academi/Triple Canopy merger company's actual name, btw, is owned by Apollo Global Management. If you're looking for a Trump link there, your best bet is co-founder Mark Rowan, whose New York philantropy and interest in Jewish cultural groups might have put him in a Trump associate's orbit in the past.
Honestly, if you people trust every dipshit with a Medium accounr you're never going to get anywhere.
Quote from: Cain on July 27, 2020, 09:01:41 PM
Erik Prince doesn't run Blackwater any more, nor have anything to do with their merger with Triple Canopy. He hasn't had anything to do with them for 11 years. Prince's current company is the Frontier Services Group and since they're fully bankrolled by the Chinese government's investment company and have sought - repeatedly - to do business with the Wagner Group, they are effectively blacklisted for work in the US.
Constellis, the Academi/Triple Canopy merger company's actual name, btw, is owned by Apollo Global Management. If you're looking for a Trump link there, your best bet is co-founder Mark Rowan, whose New York philantropy and interest in Jewish cultural groups might have put him in a Trump associate's orbit in the past.
Honestly, if you people trust every dipshit with a Medium accounr you're never going to get anywhere.
Ahh, thank you for the clarification.
And did you say Medium "Account"?
*Looks up Medium and confirms it's not a News Source, even though its posts are designed as such*
*Kicks own balls*
No problem. Apologies for my tone being sharp, it's an argument that I've had a lot lately.
Quote from: Cain on July 28, 2020, 01:03:50 PM
No problem. Apologies for my tone being sharp, it's an argument that I've had a lot lately.
No worries. With the tone I've had with people on this stuff and then getting caught doing similar shit, I think's a matter of "what goes around comes around." :lulz:
At least it wasn't YouTube or rt. You could have embarrassed yourself much more.
The first broad daylight black bagging happened in NYC today.
Two dead and one injured in Kenosha, a right winger opened fire into a crowd.
I have things I want to say but cannot.
Quote from: altered on August 26, 2020, 01:22:26 PM
Two dead and one injured in Kenosha, a right winger opened fire into a crowd.
I have things I want to say but cannot.
This is Doktor Howl's shocked face.
https://apnews.com/97a0700564fb52d7f664d8de22066f88
QuoteKENOSHA, Wis. (AP) — Two people were shot to death and another was wounded during a third night of protests in Kenosha over the police shooting of a Black man, Jacob Blake, and authorities Wednesday hunted for a possible vigilante seen on cellphone video opening fire in the middle of the street with a rifle.
The gunfire was reported just before midnight, and Sheriff David Beth said one victim was shot in the head and another in the chest, the Milwaukee Journal Sentine l reported. The third victim's wounds were not believed to life-threatening.
He said that investigators had reviewed footage of what happened and that he was confident a man would be arrested soon.
Beth told the Journal Sentinel that armed people had been patrolling the city's streets in recent nights, but he did not know if the gunman was among them.
"They're a militia," Beth said. "They're like a vigilante group."
Cellphone video of at least two of the shootings that was posted online shows what appears to be a white man with a semi-automatic rifle jogging down the middle of a street as a crowd and some police officers follow him. Someone in the crowd can be heard asking, "What did he do?" and another person responds that the man had shot someone.
The man with the gun stumbles and falls, and as he is approached by people in the crowd, he fires three or four shots from a seated position, hitting at least two people, including one who falls over and another who stumbles away to cries of "Medic! Medic!"
A witness, Julio Rosas, 24, said that when the gunman stumbled and fell, "two people jumped onto him and there was a struggle for control of his rifle. At that point during the struggle, he just began to fire multiple rounds and that dispersed people near him."
"The rifle was being jerked around in all directions while it was being fired," Rosas said.
In the cellphone footage, as the crowd scatters, the gunman stands up and continues walking down the street as police cars arrive. The man puts up his hands and walks toward the squad cars, with someone in the crowd yelling at police that the man had just shot someone, but several of the cars drive past him toward the people who had been shot.
Protester Devin Scott told the Chicago Tribune that he witnessed one of the shootings.
"We were all chanting 'Black lives matter' at the gas station and then we heard, boom, boom, and I told my friend, `'That's not fireworks,'" said Scott, 19. "And then this guy with this huge gun runs by us in the middle of the street and people are yelling, 'He shot someone! He shot someone!' And everyone is trying to fight the guy, chasing him and then he started shooting again."
(More at link)
Here's the video of the bastard getting away with murder. (https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status/1298502384654651392?s=20)
Shortly before the shooting, Kenosha police were giving out bottles of water to militia members, and telling them how much they appreciated them being there.
https://wisconsin.liveuamap.com/en/2020/26-august-cell-phone-video-shows-kenosha-wisconsin-police
Here's the video of the guy committing and admitting to committing murder (https://streamable.com/29rwxf?fbclid=IwAR3-YBdqwS5TvnBvl_5PSCXYhU4BwQ3uc10236hMkEAfSWp__4KkzMTMm0c) WARNING - GRAPHIC
- Ignore the captions - The video's from a Right-Winger
The story is:
There were two militias:
- BLM Militia
- Right-Wing Militia
The Right-Wing Militia was getting the All-Star treatment as indicated by Bruno above. The BLM Militia was moving with the Protesters to keep them safe, as the Police were actively pushing the Protesters towards the Right-Wing Militia so that they could "handle them (https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1298534190045159424?s=20)" so that the Police could leave. The Right-Wing Militia were also posted up near a Car Dealership to "Protect" it. One of the BLM Protesters was visibly upset (Also appears someone gave him an N-Word Pass - Good for him.), and happens to charge some of the Armed Right-Wing Militia at said Car Dealership. Dip-ass with the Rifle shoots him in the head, panics, runs off admitting to killing someone, and gets chased by BLM Protesters (One of them apparently had a handgun, but of course, no shots were fired from said handgun.). Then, the other video I posted starts, in which he shoots the Protesters chasing him down and gets off without any trouble from the police.
No arrests made yet, as far as I'm aware, even though his face was on camera. So I'm guessing the police are assisting his evasion of consequences, and probably see him as a potential future cop, since he pretty much demonstrated the exact mentality that Police use as justification for murdering Black People.
Quote from: Bruno on August 26, 2020, 03:25:29 PM
Shortly before the shooting, Kenosha police were giving out bottles of water to militia members, and telling them how much they appreciated them being there.
https://wisconsin.liveuamap.com/en/2020/26-august-cell-phone-video-shows-kenosha-wisconsin-police
Burn it all down.
I spoke to soon. They have an arrest now, the kid was 17: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/26/kyle-rittenhouse-17-charged-murder-two-killed-wisconsin-protests/
Yeah, he was arrested in Illinois.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-suspect-arrested-illinois/
Also, Legal age to own a gun in Illinois is 21, 18 in Wisconsin. The shooter is 17. Whoever gave him that gun needs to go to jail, too.
Not a chance. His dad is a cop, and he wanted to be a cop.
I can just see it, trialed as a minor, community service, some sob story, joins the police force as a hero.
Quote from: The Johnny on August 27, 2020, 03:34:05 AM
I can just see it, trialed as a minor, community service, some sob story, joins the police force as a hero.
The law in Wisconsin requires that a 17 year old accused of a class A felony be tried as an adult.
The minimum penalty is life.
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Word in the meme badlands is justifying the murders because "someone threw a molotov at him" so he gunned him down, and that the other two people he killed were in self defense after he tripped and was getting mobbed.
So he's a vigilante hero that was defending his community and private property against the "DidNuffinsWrong" that "want anarchy" and "is ironic they called the police on him, since they want to defund it".
Nevermind the underage illegal possession of a weapon and crossing state lines and the incitement to violence.
And of course that a molotov wasn't thrown at him and that he was only attacked after shooting a guy first and that you cannot claim self-defence if you are committing a crime, such as carrying an illegal weapon.
That "molotov" looked more like a plastic shopping bag to me. Judging from the way it flew, whatever was in it couldn't have weighed much more than a pack of cigarettes.
Quote from: Bruno on August 28, 2020, 02:58:39 PM
That "molotov" looked more like a plastic shopping bag to me. Judging from the way it flew, whatever was in it couldn't have weighed much more than a pack of cigarettes.
You are correct. It was confirmed to be a Plastic Bag based on some court documents. The only source I found on this fact was from a Right-Wing News source (https://www.dailywire.com/news/kenosha-court-docs-suggest-shooting-was-self-defense-new-video-shows-another-gun-shot-first?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro&fbclid=IwAR3uRRfO4LJ_bNFcspE633MjfI0sROnDp6HJEUIyj8mTQiS3VWEpR1r2Sk0), ironically. The bag, if I recall, had a Water Bottle or something in it.
But if you watch all the relevant videos, you can see Rosenbaum (the kid that got shot in the head) was carrying around a Plastic Bag with a bottle in it leading up to the skirmish. It's suspected that the video that makes it look like it was a Molotov was an edited copy of the video, or at the very least, that other video perspectives confirmed that it was a bag and that that specific video was merely skewed by lighting effects from the lit sign from the car-lot business in the backdrop.
The argument that they're making now is that a first warning shot from someone with a handgun at the edge of the parking lot was fired into the air right after the bag was thrown and the skirmish started, and that that's what caused Kyle to shoot the kid in front of him. But the shot was fired like 30+Yards off from the skirmish and it was in the opposite direction Kyle and Rosenbaum were facing. Kyle could clearly see that Rosenbaum didn't have a weapon because he was right in front of him and trying to grab his gun away from him. It was also fired several seconds before Kyle's shots were fired, so you couldn't even make a "Oopsy I bumped the trigger" argument.
This shit falls apart with even the slightest bit of scrutiny. Apparently some big-whig Law firm is going to try to defend him, but it sounds like they're using the Self-Defense argument, which falls apart because Felonies are statutory Self-Defense Disqualifiers.
Unfortunately, this won't change the right-wing's mind about it at all because their argument is that there should be no regulation of the guns in the first place, so in their perfect ideal world, he's innocent anyways.
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
Or some cops
If cops get killed by leftist protestors, it's game over. That's so astoundingly stupid that any leftist I know, even the astoundingly stupid ones, would call it astoundingly stupid.
If the cops decide to play hard, it'll be more like Vietnam, except without the guns and foreign military support on the communist side. Just burning cities and butchered innocents. You fucking idiot.
Which is exactly why alt-right accelerationists are targeting cops. They're hoping the left will get blamed.
Honestly, the fact that this hasn't worked, and the people who matter are acknowledging the true culprits has been a pleasant surprise.
This shit right here, on the other hand, comes as no surprise at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/28/portland-violence-far-right-protests-police?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard&fbclid=IwAR1bSQLsfkNNDZZ5sCcC08L9uTUwgpkxpNMopmVI4aBcWffynXFQ1JVAUZY
If we get 4 more years of trump these people will be on every street corner, calling all the shots and charging for "protection money".
Quote from: Bruno on August 29, 2020, 02:24:17 PM
This shit right here, on the other hand, comes as no surprise at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/28/portland-violence-far-right-protests-police?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard&fbclid=IwAR1bSQLsfkNNDZZ5sCcC08L9uTUwgpkxpNMopmVI4aBcWffynXFQ1JVAUZY
If we get 4 more years of trump these people will be on every street corner, calling all the shots and charging for "protection money".
QuoteJames Buchal, chair of the Multnomah county Republican party, wrote in an email that "as Republicans, we condemn the cowardly and totalitarian attacks on the pro-police demonstrators" by leftist demonstrators.
ZZZ
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
The way I see it going, there are two likely next bits of escalation. The first is this happens again, only this time an adjacent idiot also starts shooting in the same direction. First follower thinking kicks in and you're looking at a firing squad.
The second, is this happens again, only the initial shooter is also shot. Now you've got your own martyr. Idiocy ensues.
Looks like this might have happened already in Oregon last night. "Someone wearing a MAGA hat" was shot, if we are to believe the dubious reportings of various online shills.
BBC just reporting similar, patriot prayer/Pro police goon dead apparently.
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 30, 2020, 05:46:43 PM
BBC just reporting similar, patriot prayer/Pro police goon dead apparently.
Seems odd that he still hasn't been identified. He supposedly had a someone with him who was being restrained by the police. Strange . . .
Portland police haven't been very forthcoming on a motive/perpetrator front, which makes me think it's not obviously involved with the protests.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
CALLED IT.
Quote from: Cain on August 30, 2020, 02:54:36 PM
Looks like this might have happened already in Oregon last night. "Someone wearing a MAGA hat" was shot, if we are to believe the dubious reportings of various online shills.
Turned out to be a member of Patriot Prayer.
Still no word on the circumstances, at least via the BBC. My guess is Portland Police are working overtime trying to pin this to the protests and Antifa groups but coming up with nothing and so they're keeping quiet until they can spin the events in that way plausibly, rather than trying to pin the blame right away and being proven wrong five minutes later, as per the NYPD and its constant lying.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2020, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
CALLED IT.
Point of order, assassination requires a pre planned target. There's little to no chance that this is the actual case as who knew the goon was going to show?
With the lack of extra info, it's reasonable to assume a police shooting now. If it was either side of protestor, huge chunks of the media would be frothing. And its way overdue for one of these open carry idiots to get killed.
It's also a prime bit of spin for the nra or whatever successor org,whatever the circumstances.
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 31, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2020, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
CALLED IT.
Point of order, assassination requires a pre planned target. There's little to no chance that this is the actual case as who knew the goon was going to show?
With the lack of extra info, it's reasonable to assume a police shooting now. If it was either side of protestor, huge chunks of the media would be frothing. And its way overdue for one of these open carry idiots to get killed.
It's also a prime bit of spin for the nra or whatever successor org,whatever the circumstances.
The target can be "a person of this persuasion," and if it wasn't planned, dude wouldn't be running loose.
I am calling this one as a lefty, not a boog (though that wouldn't be a shocker) as the trigger man. I will take up to 3 bets of 2 page hate letters on this.
I'm still hedging my bets right now. Too much going on in Portland for me to make a call.
On the plus side, 200+ fascist murders later, it's really funny watching the Nazis whine that one of their own got killed instead. Oh, now murder is bad. I thought it was really cool just...3 days ago.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2020, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on August 31, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 31, 2020, 02:11:18 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 28, 2020, 05:24:35 PM
Quote from: Cain on August 28, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
So basically he's fucked unless some Trumpist judge gets a hold of the case. That's good to hear.
What worries me more is the outright glee with which his actions are being defended by the "mainstreamers" of Neo-Nazi bullshit into acceptable rightwing discourse. Most notably Tucker Carlson, of course, but also a whole host of lesser known, if no less influential, online pundits. Once they're able to justify straight-up travelling to murder protestors...well, we know where that leads.
Well, we'll see what happens to that attitude when the next obvious thing happens and some boogs get assassinated.
CALLED IT.
Point of order, assassination requires a pre planned target. There's little to no chance that this is the actual case as who knew the goon was going to show?
With the lack of extra info, it's reasonable to assume a police shooting now. If it was either side of protestor, huge chunks of the media would be frothing. And its way overdue for one of these open carry idiots to get killed.
It's also a prime bit of spin for the nra or whatever successor org,whatever the circumstances.
The target can be "a person of this persuasion," and if it wasn't planned, dude wouldn't be running loose.
I am calling this one as a lefty, not a boog (though that wouldn't be a shocker) as the trigger man. I will take up to 3 bets of 2 page hate letters on this.
Conceded. I'm in for a sulking paragraph that it's police. Explains no arrest and is generally funnier.
I'm willing to put a FOUR PAGE hate letter on it being a cop (and if it's an off-duty cop from out of town, as I believe it is, I'll take an extra half page and a furious WOMP as my bonus prize), honestly. Just ... seems all too likely.
Quote from: altered on August 31, 2020, 10:14:36 PM
I'm willing to put a FOUR PAGE hate letter on it being a cop (and if it's an off-duty cop from out of town, as I believe it is, I'll take an extra half page and a furious WOMP as my bonus prize), honestly. Just ... seems all too likely.
Be ready to start writing.
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html
I'm going to hold off until I see something more solid. This is pretty solid already, so I just want to see how that evidence shakes out: if the cops can't pin him to the wall with this it's likely to be bullshit, and I'll bet money at that point that it's another cop they're covering ass for.
Somehow I'm mostly surprised that the dude's activist history starts with him being arrested for blatantly breaking the law. Like, that's the sort of thing most people would say "okay fair" about.
It's like leftist activism is just a vehicle for him to be a shitty person without consequence, which is not the norm in my circles. I know those exist, I just haven't seen them personally very often at all.
Quote from: altered on August 29, 2020, 06:08:13 AM
If cops get killed by leftist protestors, it's game over. That's so astoundingly stupid that any leftist I know, even the astoundingly stupid ones, would call it astoundingly stupid.
If the cops decide to play hard, it'll be more like Vietnam, except without the guns and foreign military support on the communist side. Just burning cities and butchered innocents. You fucking idiot.
I didn't say it was a good idea. The cop will probably be killed by a boog, but they'll still blame antifa.
You win the bet, Howl. The man gave an interview with Vice, and was gunned down by cops like an hour or so later.
In that video interview, he confessed, apparently. I wasn't able to confirm (my phone isn't playing videos anywhere right now annoyingly enough) but I'm conceding regardless.
You aren't getting the extra half page and furious WOMP though, as I don't have a computer for a WOMP and you made no claim for your bonus prize. Four pages, and not a line break more! And they're Google Docs pages, because I have no other word processor to use and no printer, and none of us can have nice things these days.
Quote from: altered on September 04, 2020, 05:05:59 AM
You win the bet, Howl. The man gave an interview with Vice, and was gunned down by cops like an hour or so later.
In that video interview, he confessed, apparently. I wasn't able to confirm (my phone isn't playing videos anywhere right now annoyingly enough) but I'm conceding regardless.
You aren't getting the extra half page and furious WOMP though, as I don't have a computer for a WOMP and you made no claim for your bonus prize. Four pages, and not a line break more! And they're Google Docs pages, because I have no other word processor to use and no printer, and none of us can have nice things these days.
Federal cops. For a state level murder.
Granted, they had the excuse that the marshals needed to be involved because he had a federal warrant out for him, but this was never going to end well.
Also, you can just post the hate letter in Apple Talk.
Does this image speak for itself? We had a small chit chat in the political cartoons thread once upon a time i think
Apart from the fact that they are modifying their uniforms with the symbol of a militia... Don't Disney own the copyright on that image, would love to see a legal case kick off over that
Quote from: Faust on September 07, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
Apart from the fact that they are modifying their uniforms with the symbol of a militia... Don't Disney own the copyright on that image, would love to see a legal case kick off over that
militia? isn't that just the "Punisher" skull?? did not get a memo or something?
Quote from: rong on September 07, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on September 07, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
Apart from the fact that they are modifying their uniforms with the symbol of a militia... Don't Disney own the copyright on that image, would love to see a legal case kick off over that
militia? isn't that just the "Punisher" skull?? did not get a memo or something?
PunisherTM is about lone wolf vigilantism and lawless revenge, im pretty certain
Quote from: rong on September 07, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on September 07, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
Apart from the fact that they are modifying their uniforms with the symbol of a militia... Don't Disney own the copyright on that image, would love to see a legal case kick off over that
militia? isn't that just the "Punisher" skull?? did not get a memo or something?
I was referring to the thin blue line flag.
I'm not familiar with US law on police uniforms but modifying your uniform to change the insignia is illegal in a lot of countries. There are some countries that if you were to wear a flag other than your own it could get you whipped or killed.
Quote from: The Johnny on September 07, 2020, 05:16:10 PM
Quote from: rong on September 07, 2020, 04:42:26 PM
Quote from: Faust on September 07, 2020, 03:04:04 PM
Apart from the fact that they are modifying their uniforms with the symbol of a militia... Don't Disney own the copyright on that image, would love to see a legal case kick off over that
militia? isn't that just the "Punisher" skull?? did not get a memo or something?
PunisherTM is about lone wolf vigilantism and lawless revenge, im pretty certain
I work alone, I am a man on the edge, whos likeness and image were purchased in a distress deal in 2009 by the largest media company, and franchised out to netflix
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Quote from: altered on September 04, 2020, 05:05:59 AM
You win the bet, Howl. The man gave an interview with Vice, and was gunned down by cops like an hour or so later.
In that video interview, he confessed, apparently. I wasn't able to confirm (my phone isn't playing videos anywhere right now annoyingly enough) but I'm conceding regardless.
You aren't getting the extra half page and furious WOMP though, as I don't have a computer for a WOMP and you made no claim for your bonus prize. Four pages, and not a line break more! And they're Google Docs pages, because I have no other word processor to use and no printer, and none of us can have nice things these days.
Federal cops. For a state level murder.
Granted, they had the excuse that the marshals needed to be involved because he had a federal warrant out for him, but this was never going to end well.
Also, you can just post the hate letter in Apple Talk.
Dude got shot by the LEOs and, mysteriously, there's no body cam footage. He admitted to it but I don't believe a damn thing about their claims (that he pulled a gun) unless there's other footage. Not because I don't believe he probably wasn't armed but bc the cops lie about everything.
Zero trust for any cop wearing a Punisher skull
Quote from: Cramulus on September 08, 2020, 04:33:13 PM
Zero trust for any cop wearing a Punisher skull
Zero trust for any of them.
So, outright fascism.
https://apnews.com/2f50d659d4e5267755125cc7ddd0a146
Well, that's great. Want to arrest some public officials? Go have the Feds cause a mess in a city for a month, wait until people protest against it, and if those officials say something in support...lock em up.
That definitely wouldn't be abused, oh no.
Quote from: Cain on September 17, 2020, 07:17:43 PM
Well, that's great. Want to arrest some public officials? Go have the Feds cause a mess in a city for a month, wait until people protest against it, and if those officials say something in support...lock em up.
That definitely wouldn't be abused, oh no.
Also, they are trying to use the federal government to arrest officials for things that do not violate federal law.
It's basically just more goose-stepping.
I mean, I have kinda come to expect that, in general. Kinda a culmination of where things have been heading since 9/11, really.
The implicit threat of sending in Feds and if the states have the temerity to complain about it, they'll be arrested...you'd think that would get a certain kind of person up in arms, if the past 20 years hadn't already shown they have absolutely no consistent political positions or principles whatsoever.
Quote from: Cain on September 18, 2020, 11:11:41 AM
I mean, I have kinda come to expect that, in general. Kinda a culmination of where things have been heading since 9/11, really.
The implicit threat of sending in Feds and if the states have the temerity to complain about it, they'll be arrested...you'd think that would get a certain kind of person up in arms, if the past 20 years hadn't already shown they have absolutely no consistent political positions or principles whatsoever.
And RBG just died. So Tom Cotton will be a SCOTUS justice on a 6/3 court. So here we go.
Buckle up.
https://apnews.com/28a283922de8784f6fca5c42fe8e5bca
A riot is going to kick off, and its a justifiably response to that insult.
That was their opportunity to try and make it right and they squandered it
Quote from: Faust on September 23, 2020, 09:25:58 PM
A riot is going to kick off, and its a justifiably response to that insult.
That was their opportunity to try and make it right and they squandered it
It was deliberate. It's the new American politics. "We did this because we can. Do something about it."
Hoo, boy. If they riot in Kentucky like they have been in other states, it's likely to be a bloodbath.
Rittenhouse is being sacrificed to the alt right.
Don't feel bad for him. He signed up for this.
https://apnews.com/article/riots-shootings-wisconsin-archive-kenosha-76104678645cc0e1f717f5d93ff427f7
Step one of the unfolding Rittenhouse farce:
https://apnews.com/article/homicide-shootings-police-jacob-blake-trials-0b0bbd2701e282361495bf815755e080
His "lawyers" are complete jokes, chosen for their ideological purity rather than for getting the best case for their client that they can.
So I'm expecting a lot of tedious procedural bullshit to drag this out until he's found guilty.
Quote from: Cain on September 25, 2020, 05:39:37 PM
His "lawyers" are complete jokes, chosen for their ideological purity rather than for getting the best case for their client that they can.
So I'm expecting a lot of tedious procedural bullshit to drag this out until he's found guilty.
The only reason for muddying up jurisdiction while engaging in an affirmative defense is to pump up donations and milk them like the family cow.
So yes.
Went to two events (Friday night and Saturday) this past weekend. People are pissed but not exactly enthusiastic about getting teargassed again. Cops kinda wanted to start a riot but didn't fully commit, and the marshals did a good job of helping protesters be the grown ups in the room.
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3692100527469221&set=a.114423818570261 (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3692100527469221&set=a.114423818570261)
Didn't know where to put this, so it's here now.
So now another boog got himself shot physically striking and then pepper spraying an activist.
At some point, this boog image of lefties as soy milk-swilling, skinny jean-wearing wimps will have to change. I mean, that's two "good boogs" in 6 weeks.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2020, 12:36:33 PM
So now another boog got himself shot physically striking and then pepper spraying an activist.
At some point, this boog image of lefties as soy milk-swilling, skinny jean-wearing wimps will have to change. I mean, that's two "good boogs" in 6 weeks.
That was not an activist, that was a pinkerton.
Quote from: Pergamos on October 16, 2020, 01:28:16 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 15, 2020, 12:36:33 PM
So now another boog got himself shot physically striking and then pepper spraying an activist.
At some point, this boog image of lefties as soy milk-swilling, skinny jean-wearing wimps will have to change. I mean, that's two "good boogs" in 6 weeks.
That was not an activist, that was a pinkerton.
Proof?
A private security guard working for a TV station was in custody Saturday after a person died from a shooting that took place during dueling protests in downtown Denver, the Denver Post reported. (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-shooting-at-denver-protest-was-a-security-guard-and-police-say-he-was-not-antifa)
Quote from: LMNO on October 16, 2020, 07:15:10 PM
A private security guard working for a TV station was in custody Saturday after a person died from a shooting that took place during dueling protests in downtown Denver, the Denver Post reported. (https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/suspect-in-deadly-shooting-at-denver-protest-was-a-security-guard-and-police-say-he-was-not-antifa)
Yeah, that's been a hot topic over at DebatePolitics.
Someone else made a "good boog". There will be a lot more of this.
Quote from: Juana on September 07, 2020, 09:34:28 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on September 04, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Quote from: altered on September 04, 2020, 05:05:59 AM
You win the bet, Howl. The man gave an interview with Vice, and was gunned down by cops like an hour or so later.
In that video interview, he confessed, apparently. I wasn't able to confirm (my phone isn't playing videos anywhere right now annoyingly enough) but I'm conceding regardless.
You aren't getting the extra half page and furious WOMP though, as I don't have a computer for a WOMP and you made no claim for your bonus prize. Four pages, and not a line break more! And they're Google Docs pages, because I have no other word processor to use and no printer, and none of us can have nice things these days.
Federal cops. For a state level murder.
Granted, they had the excuse that the marshals needed to be involved because he had a federal warrant out for him, but this was never going to end well.
Also, you can just post the hate letter in Apple Talk.
Dude got shot by the LEOs and, mysteriously, there's no body cam footage. He admitted to it but I don't believe a damn thing about their claims (that he pulled a gun) unless there's other footage. Not because I don't believe he probably wasn't armed but bc the cops lie about everything.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/us/michael-reinoehl-antifa-portland-shooting.html
Paraphrased Summary:
Alleged shooter of the White Supremacist -Sympathizer in Portland was extrajudicially and politically assassinated by a US Marshals Task Force.
He never drew his gun, which was sitting in his pocket. All eye-witness accounts indicate the police pulled up to the suspect at high-speed and fired immediately and recklessly after exiting their vehicles. Bullets entered nearby neighbor homes/yards, barely missing pets and ripping through areas where neighbors claim their children could have easily been. Eye-witness accounts also indicated that the nature of the ambush made them assume it was a Gang-hit, up until they saw the Law-Enforcement vests.
Accounts from the Officers themselves indicate that some said they saw him draw a gun in his car before they shot, and others did NOT.
Meanwhile, Kyle Rittenhouse is guaranteed multiple layers of protection, and gets to face his accusers in a Trial by Jury of his Peers.
We live in a Police State, and this is State-sanctioned, Political Assassination.