The following lines will come as absolutely no surprise to anyone on this board who is familiar with either me, or my "antics"... but here it is anyway, naked and ugly:
You know how people say "stupid people never realize they're stupid"?
(People do say that, don't they? I didn't just make that up, did I?)
Well, I realized today that I am stupid. Perhaps not stupider than everyone, I like to think I've got one up on George W Bush, perhaps... but then he was the President of a large major country, while I spend my time creating pithy tweets, occasionally creating idiotic humor reviews of bad movies, and arguing with people through a computer monitor then becoming huffy over the results and eating an entire box of Ritz crackers.
I know things, but don't put them together well; I hear people speak and take a completely different meaning than most other people do; My opinions are either embarrassingly homogenous or flagrantly inappropriate; I quite possibly use semicolons incorrectly.
Ladies and gentleman, my name is Hoopla and I am dumb.
But, is realizing this a step in the right direction?
My name is The Good Reverend Roger, and I'm dumber than a sack of anvils. As the Buddhists have "no mind", I have "no brain". I have found that I function better this way.
Also, "no brain" means "no where to store bad signal", so when I am corrected on something it is a little easier to absorb the correct information and dispose of the Rogerism1.
"No brain" means "less preconceived notions". It means that I fly by the seat of my pants and react to what's actually happening, not what I wish was happening.
Being the RIGHT KIND OF DUMBASS is a good thing.
1 Sort of like a truism, only spoken with more conviction. Because head's all empty.
Hmmm, that's an optimistic way to look at it. At the moment I feel like I am drowning in realization upon realization over the sheer depth of my idiocy... but you make a very valid point. And I do happen to think I am good at changing my mind... almost frighteningly so. Perhaps there is a bright side.
Is that why people drink booze and smoke pot? To give themselves an excuse?
Quote from: Hoopla on May 01, 2013, 07:54:11 PM
Hmmm, that's an optimistic way to look at it. At the moment I feel like I am drowning in realization upon realization over the sheer depth of my idiocy... but you make a very valid point. And I do happen to think I am good at changing my mind... almost frighteningly so. Perhaps there is a bright side.
Is that why people drink booze and smoke pot? To give themselves an excuse?
Look, I just shove my head in and see what happens. It's often painful, but I'm ALIVE. Planning ahead only causes problems, and caution is for people who don't understand rock n roll.
Yes, I am a dumbass. But I am a dumbass that PAYS ATTENTION, and slowly LEARNS. When I'm 95, I might even have a Goddamn grip. But right now, I'm and IDIOT, and it WORKS.
People always scoff when I tell them my guru lives in Tucson.
Quote from: Hoopla on May 01, 2013, 08:06:06 PM
People always scoff when I tell them my guru lives in Tucson.
All the best gurus live in deserts, on mountains. It's sort of a prerequisite.
In my opinion, NOT thinking you're smarter than everyone else is a gigantic sign of intelligence.
You can have an IQ in the 99.7th percentile and still be a fucking moron if you're unable to listen to other people or participate in society like a functional human being.
Self-perception of intelligence =/= actual intelligence.
But christ, presenting oneself as "smart, intelligent" is one of the most obnoxious acts of hubris i have come to observe in my experience. To sum up:
Self-perception of intelligence = narcissism
Thinking that oneself is "intelligent" is in most cases a statement that isnt backed up by anything concrete, and is just a delusion to make oneself feel better, now, on the contrary, summing up:
self-perception of stupidity = humility (or bad self-esteem, ofc :wink:)
I consider myself smart/intelligent, but that comes from years of people telling me I am, it's not a self-imposed declaration, and I don't call myself that unless it's relevant (which rarely is).
Interestingly enough, maybe part of what makes me smart is that i don't act like I am, when i approach any type of problem, I assume I'm stupid and unprepared for this new situation (which one could argue, every situation is a new situation).
Its far more useful to assume one's own stupidity (or lack of capability) so that we "stay on our toes" and prepare accordingly, lest we become a sample in a Dunning-Krueger experiment or get struck down by our arrogance.
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Well, now that you speak of leadership, there was this article on the Less Wrong Wiki about how "leaders" or people in positions of power get so detached from reality and their own power makes underlings fear to make any criticism... The point i think im trying to make is that people that believe they are smart, usually focus on it a little bit too much "I'm so smart that i can improvise a solution to this problem with little effort and very close to the deadline with an undecent number of risks, why? because im smart and my nebulous calculations and intuition will
most probably get me thru it."
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
According to the Fish head documentary I linked to elsewhere, people with psychopathic tendencies tend to rise to positions of leadership and then make decisions without the ability to have empathy for those that their decision affects adversely. They point to examples in both business and politics... they also draw some interesting conclusions about the effects of SSRI's and how they create symptoms that are similar to psychopathy, then parallels between the increased use of SSRI's among leaders and the increase in bad/poor/self-interested decisions due to the fact that their emotions are muted by the drugs.
Interesting stuff, though of course, its all theory/supposition/belief/agenda etc.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
According to the Fish head documentary I linked to elsewhere, people with psychopathic tendencies tend to rise to positions of leadership and then make decisions without the ability to have empathy for those that their decision affects adversely. They point to examples in both business and politics... they also draw some interesting conclusions about the effects of SSRI's and how they create symptoms that are similar to psychopathy, then parallels between the increased use of SSRI's among leaders and the increase in bad/poor/self-interested decisions due to the fact that their emotions are muted by the drugs.
Interesting stuff, though of course, its all theory/supposition/belief/agenda etc.
Sounds similar, but not quite the same, im pretty sure it was on the Less Wrong Wiki.
Quote from: The Johnny on May 02, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
According to the Fish head documentary I linked to elsewhere, people with psychopathic tendencies tend to rise to positions of leadership and then make decisions without the ability to have empathy for those that their decision affects adversely. They point to examples in both business and politics... they also draw some interesting conclusions about the effects of SSRI's and how they create symptoms that are similar to psychopathy, then parallels between the increased use of SSRI's among leaders and the increase in bad/poor/self-interested decisions due to the fact that their emotions are muted by the drugs.
Interesting stuff, though of course, its all theory/supposition/belief/agenda etc.
Sounds similar, but not quite the same, im pretty sure it was on the Less Wrong Wiki.
Yeah, I've read a couple different articles about leadership becoming detached and underlings being in fear of contradicting the leader ("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW) The "I am Fishead" movie takes the same concept to the next level... that is not only do some leaders become detached, but some leaders become leaders because they are already completely detached emotionally and without conscience (i.e. psychopathic at some level, or too whacked on SSRI's to feel the emotional impact of their decisions and the risks they choose).
I would imagine that there's probably truth in both of those ideas and taken together it results in the madness we see in leadership. Some leaders become detached, some leaders start out detached (which makes it easier for them to rise to the position of leader).
Either way, they end up lacking the ability to realize that they're Cosmic Schmucks ;-)
Goddamnit i cant find it, i just remember it riffed based on Dunning-Krueger, positions of authority, and only receiving positive feedback from underlings despite the real burning-down of the place/project that would be happening.
Im not sure how coherent my arguments are coming thru, its just that i find it very important to express that assuming oneself is incapable/unprepared can lead to elaborating a plan and doing useful work, while assuming that one is fully prepared and with outstanding abilities leads to a falling short of their own expectations.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 02, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
According to the Fish head documentary I linked to elsewhere, people with psychopathic tendencies tend to rise to positions of leadership and then make decisions without the ability to have empathy for those that their decision affects adversely. They point to examples in both business and politics... they also draw some interesting conclusions about the effects of SSRI's and how they create symptoms that are similar to psychopathy, then parallels between the increased use of SSRI's among leaders and the increase in bad/poor/self-interested decisions due to the fact that their emotions are muted by the drugs.
Interesting stuff, though of course, its all theory/supposition/belief/agenda etc.
Sounds similar, but not quite the same, im pretty sure it was on the Less Wrong Wiki.
Yeah, I've read a couple different articles about leadership becoming detached and underlings being in fear of contradicting the leader ("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW) The "I am Fishead" movie takes the same concept to the next level... that is not only do some leaders become detached, but some leaders become leaders because they are already completely detached emotionally and without conscience (i.e. psychopathic at some level, or too whacked on SSRI's to feel the emotional impact of their decisions and the risks they choose).
I would imagine that there's probably truth in both of those ideas and taken together it results in the madness we see in leadership. Some leaders become detached, some leaders start out detached (which makes it easier for them to rise to the position of leader).
Either way, they end up lacking the ability to realize that they're Cosmic Schmucks ;-)
Yeah, they think that just by being a social climber makes them more adept at completing tasks, while in reality their only ability is, well, being a social climber.
Quote from: The Johnny on May 02, 2013, 05:26:32 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Well, now that you speak of leadership, there was this article on the Less Wrong Wiki about how "leaders" or people in positions of power get so detached from reality and their own power makes underlings fear to make any criticism... The point i think im trying to make is that people that believe they are smart, usually focus on it a little bit too much "I'm so smart that i can improvise a solution to this problem with little effort and very close to the deadline with an undecent number of risks, why? because im smart and my nebulous calculations and intuition will most probably get me thru it."
But it can also be true, especially with a good leader, that while they observe and acknowledge their intelligence and influence, that precisely because if that influence, they factor into their intelligence the benefit of continuing to learn and adjust to mistakes, which they most certainly are still capable of making. The difference is a good leader, and one with the smarts and intelligence, can rapidly adjust to changing conditions and outcomes on the fly. Which tends to be one of the reasons others look up to and rely upon the leader. They don't let shit ruffle them or blow them off course. They find a way to get it done until it is done.
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
I don't suffer at all. I'm having the time of my life.
I'm wicked smart AND dumb as a bag of spanners
I find I can only effectively capitalise on the former when I'm fully aware of the latter
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on May 02, 2013, 10:07:57 AM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 09:56:55 AM
According to the Fish head documentary I linked to elsewhere, people with psychopathic tendencies tend to rise to positions of leadership and then make decisions without the ability to have empathy for those that their decision affects adversely. They point to examples in both business and politics... they also draw some interesting conclusions about the effects of SSRI's and how they create symptoms that are similar to psychopathy, then parallels between the increased use of SSRI's among leaders and the increase in bad/poor/self-interested decisions due to the fact that their emotions are muted by the drugs.
Interesting stuff, though of course, its all theory/supposition/belief/agenda etc.
Sounds similar, but not quite the same, im pretty sure it was on the Less Wrong Wiki.
Yeah, I've read a couple different articles about leadership becoming detached and underlings being in fear of contradicting the leader ("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW) The "I am Fishead" movie takes the same concept to the next level... that is not only do some leaders become detached, but some leaders become leaders because they are already completely detached emotionally and without conscience (i.e. psychopathic at some level, or too whacked on SSRI's to feel the emotional impact of their decisions and the risks they choose).
I would imagine that there's probably truth in both of those ideas and taken together it results in the madness we see in leadership. Some leaders become detached, some leaders start out detached (which makes it easier for them to rise to the position of leader).
Either way, they end up lacking the ability to realize that they're Cosmic Schmucks ;-)
http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/19/sociopath-boss-work-forbes-woman-leadership-office-evil.html
John Clarke's "Working With Monsters" is supposed to be a good insight into psychopaths in business, as is Babiak & Hare's "Snakes in Suits" and of course Hare's "The Psychopaths Among Us".
Here are a few articles that look interesting:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10551-010-0689-5#page-1
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=J-qzP_k__2gC&oi=fnd&pg=PA125&dq=psychopath+workplace&ots=RbtMCv1MH4&sig=MEHncCiqphBAwKworNMY9nwkzbw#v=onepage&q=psychopath%20workplace&f=false
http://eprints.worc.ac.uk/653/
This abstract is interesting: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10551-010-0689-5
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
DING DING DING.
Roger: "Ed, I need you to figure out X and Y."
Ed: "I'm not an engineer."
Roger: "That's why I'm coming to you. I need this to work."
Ed: "Okay. Then it doesn't work, and what do you say in the meeting?"
Roger: "'WE fucked up'. If it does work, then 'Ed made this happen'".
Ed can shelter in the group if things go wrong, and he gets the glory if things go right. Ed is not fearful, and therefore will most likely succeed.
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW)
This is incorrect. Communication only occurs in non-punishing situations. Not the same thing.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW)
This is incorrect. Communication only occurs in non-punishing situations. Not the same thing.
Yeah, I agree with Roger on this one. You can have lots of communication between non-equals, but only if the subordinate feels safe and respected and the superior doesn't feel threatened.
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
And there's something deeply dysfunctional about your organization, starting with it's leadership.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
Sure, in a situation where a leader has a direct supervisory role over the people asking to be lead. I'm in a situation where I have that role PLUS a role of being a leader for other, similar organizations in my state, because it is a situation where there is no direct leadership. There is no one telling our organizations what to do, yet, we do tend to band together and work together. And so naturally everyone will look for a torchbearer, and they WILL pick one, they will naturally look to one or two key people who are seen as intelligent, smart, and able to get shit done. I am in that position here in Maine in my line of work, so sure I am a fairly humble chap, but I also have to own and embrace my skills, because it is because of those skills I was identified as a leader. That's why I say if you don't take that up, people get fearful and aren't sure how to act.
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
so sure I am a fairly humble chap,
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
I don't think I've ever actually met someone as full of him/her self as you are.
Not once in my 44 years on the planet.
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
Sure, in a situation where a leader has a direct supervisory role over the people asking to be lead. I'm in a situation where I have that role PLUS a role of being a leader for other, similar organizations in my state, because it is a situation where there is no direct leadership. There is no one telling our organizations what to do, yet, we do tend to band together and work together. And so naturally everyone will look for a torchbearer, and they WILL pick one, they will naturally look to one or two key people who are seen as intelligent, smart, and able to get shit done. I am in that position here in Maine in my line of work, so sure I am a fairly humble chap, but I also have to own and embrace my skills, because it is because of those skills I was identified as a leader. That's why I say if you don't take that up, people get fearful and aren't sure how to act.
Ohhhh my god. :horrormirth:
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
Sure, in a situation where a leader has a direct supervisory role over the people asking to be lead. I'm in a situation where I have that role PLUS a role of being a leader for other, similar organizations in my state, because it is a situation where there is no direct leadership. There is no one telling our organizations what to do, yet, we do tend to band together and work together. And so naturally everyone will look for a torchbearer, and they WILL pick one, they will naturally look to one or two key people who are seen as intelligent, smart, and able to get shit done. I am in that position here in Maine in my line of work, so sure I am a fairly humble chap, but I also have to own and embrace my skills, because it is because of those skills I was identified as a leader. That's why I say if you don't take that up, people get fearful and aren't sure how to act.
Ohhhh my god. :horrormirth:
All my skin peeled off my face. I am sitting in my chair, bellowing laughter out of my bare skull.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 07:07:18 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: Balls Wellington on May 02, 2013, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
Oh, how noble it is of you to suffer for the little people. :lulz:
In my experience, if the people you are leading are directionless and fearful, you're doing a piss-poor job of leadership. An effective leader empowers people to take control. A really effective leader can walk into a situation where a shitty "leader" has left people feeling directionless and fearful, can empower them, and create a situation where they can just walk away and everything will be fine.
Sure, in a situation where a leader has a direct supervisory role over the people asking to be lead. I'm in a situation where I have that role PLUS a role of being a leader for other, similar organizations in my state, because it is a situation where there is no direct leadership. There is no one telling our organizations what to do, yet, we do tend to band together and work together. And so naturally everyone will look for a torchbearer, and they WILL pick one, they will naturally look to one or two key people who are seen as intelligent, smart, and able to get shit done. I am in that position here in Maine in my line of work, so sure I am a fairly humble chap, but I also have to own and embrace my skills, because it is because of those skills I was identified as a leader. That's why I say if you don't take that up, people get fearful and aren't sure how to act.
Ohhhh my god. :horrormirth:
All my skin peeled off my face. I am sitting in my chair, bellowing laughter out of my bare skull.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_ekugPKqFw
Who fed him that line of shit, I wonder? Sucker. :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Look out, guys, RWHN is THE SMARTEST GUY IN MAINE.
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
That must be very tough for you.
Have you banged any celebrities you would care to complain about, while we're here?
Quote from: Hoopla on May 02, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
That must be very tough for you.
Have you banged any celebrities you would care to complain about, while we're here?
:lulz: <--- Just horked coffee all over myself. :argh!:
You know, there's a certain kind of person who has to respond to a thread like this with "I, however, am smart!"
I think being constantly showered with messages of how smart I was as a kid kind of screwed me up a bit.
I wasn't smart because I worked hard at school; I practically never had to do any damn work at all because nearly everything was completely trivial. I had the benefit of highly educated and involved parents, and nothing more.
You're so smart
You're the smart one
The smartest kid in class
The brainiac
That shit becomes part of your identity when it's drilled into you over and over again from the age of 5.
Achieving feats of intellect wasn't something I earned praise for. It was just part of being who I was expected to be. Being lauded for my brains wasn't anything special: it was part of the natural order of things, and if I wasn't dazzling people with my precociousness then something must be wrong with me. Anything I couldn't easily excel at became a source of shame, something to be avoided. No one likes doing things they suck at, but for me it bordered on neurotic.
When I did bust my ass for something, I didn't feel good for earning it. I felt like crap for not being better at it in the first place.
Too much carrot, not enough stick. Eventually it turns into "no carrot = stick." Simple lack of praise becomes the same thing as criticism.
I needed shit like Discordianism and the Black Iron Prison to influence my intellectual maturation to be able to see this part of myself. I'm still working on fixing it.
And, at the end of the day, I ain't so damn smart. I'm mostly just lucky.
Quote from: Hoopla on May 02, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
That must be very tough for you.
We all have our crosses to bear.
QuoteHave you banged any celebrities you would care to complain about, while we're here?
Maine isn't exactly overflowing with celebrities so, no.
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 03, 2013, 01:26:49 AM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 02, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
That must be very tough for you.
We all have our crosses to bear.
QuoteHave you banged any celebrities you would care to complain about, while we're here?
Maine isn't exactly overflowing with celebrities so, no.
Oh shit
The implications in this are amazing. :lulz:
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 10:27:22 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 02, 2013, 09:57:11 PM
Quote from: Six Feet of Sole on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
That must be very tough for you.
Have you banged any celebrities you would care to complain about, while we're here?
:lulz: <--- Just horked coffee all over myself. :argh!:
You know, there's a certain kind of person who has to respond to a thread like this with "I, however, am smart!"
You mean a thread like this on a Discordian board? Yes, it does take a certain kind of person to do that. ;)
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
I think being constantly showered with messages of how smart I was as a kid kind of screwed me up a bit.
I wasn't smart because I worked hard at school; I practically never had to do any damn work at all because nearly everything was completely trivial. I had the benefit of highly educated and involved parents, and nothing more.
You're so smart
You're the smart one
The smartest kid in class
The brainiac
That shit becomes part of your identity when it's drilled into you over and over again from the age of 5.
Achieving feats of intellect wasn't something I earned praise for. It was just part of being who I was expected to be. Being lauded for my brains wasn't anything special: it was part of the natural order of things, and if I wasn't dazzling people with my precociousness then something must be wrong with me. Anything I couldn't easily excel at became a source of shame, something to be avoided. No one likes doing things they suck at, but for me it bordered on neurotic.
When I did bust my ass for something, I didn't feel good for earning it. I felt like crap for not being better at it in the first place.
Too much carrot, not enough stick. Eventually it turns into "no carrot = stick." Simple lack of praise becomes the same thing as criticism.
I needed shit like Discordianism and the Black Iron Prison to influence my intellectual maturation to be able to see this part of myself. I'm still working on fixing it.
And, at the end of the day, I ain't so damn smart. I'm mostly just lucky.
This. Except for the involved parents part. Mine were not interested in me. So, doing well at school was all I had. It freaked me right the fuck out when some of my college classes actually required work. I started to think that I must not be smart after all. That's part of why I dropped out in 2000.
I'm just now getting to a place where it's not the end of the world if I don't understand everything right away. I still pretty much assume I don't know anything, though, so I collect every bit of information I can find.
Quote from: Jez on May 03, 2013, 05:24:34 AM
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
I think being constantly showered with messages of how smart I was as a kid kind of screwed me up a bit.
I wasn't smart because I worked hard at school; I practically never had to do any damn work at all because nearly everything was completely trivial. I had the benefit of highly educated and involved parents, and nothing more.
You're so smart
You're the smart one
The smartest kid in class
The brainiac
That shit becomes part of your identity when it's drilled into you over and over again from the age of 5.
Achieving feats of intellect wasn't something I earned praise for. It was just part of being who I was expected to be. Being lauded for my brains wasn't anything special: it was part of the natural order of things, and if I wasn't dazzling people with my precociousness then something must be wrong with me. Anything I couldn't easily excel at became a source of shame, something to be avoided. No one likes doing things they suck at, but for me it bordered on neurotic.
When I did bust my ass for something, I didn't feel good for earning it. I felt like crap for not being better at it in the first place.
Too much carrot, not enough stick. Eventually it turns into "no carrot = stick." Simple lack of praise becomes the same thing as criticism.
I needed shit like Discordianism and the Black Iron Prison to influence my intellectual maturation to be able to see this part of myself. I'm still working on fixing it.
And, at the end of the day, I ain't so damn smart. I'm mostly just lucky.
This. Except for the involved parents part. Mine were not interested in me. So, doing well at school was all I had. It freaked me right the fuck out when some of my college classes actually required work. I started to think that I must not be smart after all. That's part of why I dropped out in 2000.
I'm just now getting to a place where it's not the end of the world if I don't understand everything right away. I still pretty much assume I don't know anything, though, so I collect every bit of information I can find.
I used to worry that I was retarded, and that nobody wanted to hurt my feelings by telling me. :lol:
I think that one of the great benefits, for me, about going back to school after being a beadmaker and teacher was that learning to make beads was really hard for me, and took a lot of repetition. When I taught, I worked that repetition into my classes, and told my students that it would take ten repetitions of any new information for it to really make sense and stick. Now, as a student, I know that I won't get anything on the first exposure, so I don't feel stupid or self-conscious when I'm confused the first go-round. I just keep exposing myself to the material until it's familiar and makes sense. I also know that I am a slow worker; other people are jumping up with answers while I'm still getting my notes just right. It used to make me anxious, especially when other people would be leaving after a test while I was still working on it, and it made me feel inferior, but I'm OK with it now; sure, I'm slow, but I'm methodical and it works for me. I am the last one at my table to finish a lab, but I'm also the one to catch my lab partners' mistakes.
There's something that happens to people in certain populations. When you're surrounded by incredibly stupid and willfully ignorant people you begin to think you've got some edge. And perhaps you do, in a limited extent.
This is what, I think, RWHN in his humility, was trying to talk about.
This is, for example, how Sarah Palin got to power. The population of Wasilla is so amazingly, astonishingly simple minded and brain washed by TEEVEE they figured Sarah Palin was The Best Possible Bet. And I'll just bet SHE thinks she's super smart and surrounded by idiots. At least, until she left this place as quickly as she could sign a speaking tour deal.
And that's what its like all the time. There's no competition for jobs here because the lowest common denominator is very, very, very low. Its a miracle when people show up to a job interview sober and dressed. So when you do, you look like a fucking Rhode Scholar.
DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE ONE.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 12:45:50 AM
You can have an IQ in the 99.7th percentile and still be a fucking moron if you're unable to listen to other people or participate in society like a functional human being.
Oh, didn't know you knew my ex-wife. Small world, isn't it?
I know I don't know what the hell I'm doing, ever.
This is probably why, unlike my father, I have never set a car on fire.
Quote from: hylierandom on May 18, 2013, 12:57:52 AM
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 02, 2013, 12:45:50 AM
You can have an IQ in the 99.7th percentile and still be a fucking moron if you're unable to listen to other people or participate in society like a functional human being.
Oh, didn't know you knew my ex-wife. Small world, isn't it?
I know I don't know what the hell I'm doing, ever.
This is probably why, unlike my father, I have never set a car on fire.
Don't joke about it too much, or it'll turn out to be my ex-girlfriend.
Also, probably good that you are uncertain about what you're doing. Certainty is the destroyer of growth.
Quote from: Cainad on May 03, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
I wasn't smart because I worked hard at school; I practically never had to do any damn work at all because nearly everything was completely trivial.
Me too...except for the math. I wasn't diagnosed with dyscalculia until I was 16...And it didn't help that my dad lost it and slapped me the one time mom tasked him with drilling me with the flashcards.
I was usually a smackable nuisance to him.
I was told I had to do things
right. and then if it wasn't "right," then I was worthless.
...If I looked like I was happy around my very unhappy parents, they'd find a way to fix that.
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on May 03, 2013, 05:42:33 AM
I used to worry that I was retarded, and that nobody wanted to hurt my feelings by telling me. :lol:
I got tested for retardation in junior high, I was pretty ashamed of that at the time.
I probably had some dyscalculia, I could check something three times and keep making the same stupid mistake. I just sucked at math. They didn't test me for retardation because I was reading way ahead of my grade level. I could read anything at all by fourth or fifth grade. They used to split us kids into groups, so the reading comprehension thing got me stuck in the smart group - with the hard math, which made for some F's and a lot of "Why don't you at least try??? speeches.
I'm lucky it was a long time ago, since it stopped at speeches. Teachers making speeches at undiagnosed kids might not be ideal, but it beats whatever the schools would come up with nowadays.
Quote from: stelz on June 01, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
I probably had some dyscalculia, I could check something three times and keep making the same stupid mistake. I just sucked at math. They didn't test me for retardation because I was reading way ahead of my grade level. I could read anything at all by fourth or fifth grade. They used to split us kids into groups, so the reading comprehension thing got me stuck in the smart group - with the hard math, which made for some F's and a lot of "Why don't you at least try??? speeches.
I'm lucky it was a long time ago, since it stopped at speeches. Teachers making speeches at undiagnosed kids might not be ideal, but it beats whatever the schools would come up with nowadays.
Jail, for "insubordination".
Quote from: M. Nigel Salt on June 01, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
Quote from: stelz on June 01, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
I probably had some dyscalculia, I could check something three times and keep making the same stupid mistake. I just sucked at math. They didn't test me for retardation because I was reading way ahead of my grade level. I could read anything at all by fourth or fifth grade. They used to split us kids into groups, so the reading comprehension thing got me stuck in the smart group - with the hard math, which made for some F's and a lot of "Why don't you at least try??? speeches.
I'm lucky it was a long time ago, since it stopped at speeches. Teachers making speeches at undiagnosed kids might not be ideal, but it beats whatever the schools would come up with nowadays.
Jail, for "insubordination".
Yeah. :x
Quote from: stelz on June 01, 2013, 09:11:28 AM
I probably had some dyscalculia, I could check something three times and keep making the same stupid mistake. I just sucked at math. They didn't test me for retardation because I was reading way ahead of my grade level. I could read anything at all by fourth or fifth grade. They used to split us kids into groups, so the reading comprehension thing got me stuck in the smart group - with the hard math, which made for some F's and a lot of "Why don't you at least try??? speeches.
I always got
"she's not working to her potential." Well, no, but if my parents hadn't been nuts, maybe I would have.
I can read a clock-face (9th grade), and can now tell my right hand from my left.
I STILL tend to have to think very hard about which way to turn a bolt when attempting car repair, especially when underneath the car, as I start thinking "my left? or the car's left?"
I probably can't ever run a cash register at a store with any kind of high traffic.
Quote from: AFK on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
I just thought I'd bump this little gem.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: AFK on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
I just thought I'd bump this little gem.
He really was a piece of work.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
I double dog dare you. Do a three week tour of New England.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
I double dog dare you. Do a three week tour of New England.
It bears thinking about. I have 4 weeks vacation.
The problem isn't that the crew needs leadership...They're pros. What they need is someone to run interference for them, because when I'm gone, EVERYONE THINKS THEY'RE THE MAINTENANCE MANAGER. And while several of them are capable of stepping up to provide that interference, none of them WANT to.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
I double dog dare you. Do a three week tour of New England.
It bears thinking about. I have 4 weeks vacation.
The problem isn't that the crew needs leadership...They're pros. What they need is someone to run interference for them, because when I'm gone, EVERYONE THINKS THEY'RE THE MAINTENANCE MANAGER. And while several of them are capable of stepping up to provide that interference, none of them WANT to.
DO IT! I will make delicious foods!
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 18, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 01:38:46 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 06:26:04 PM
If you can't take a 3 week vacation without your department falling apart, you're not even a leader at all, you're a dispatcher.
I double dog dare you. Do a three week tour of New England.
It bears thinking about. I have 4 weeks vacation.
The problem isn't that the crew needs leadership...They're pros. What they need is someone to run interference for them, because when I'm gone, EVERYONE THINKS THEY'RE THE MAINTENANCE MANAGER. And while several of them are capable of stepping up to provide that interference, none of them WANT to.
DO IT! I will make delicious foods!
Well, let me see. I have promised my wife a week in Portland (because she's weird and likes that kinda shit), and that leaves the desired 3 weeks, but that would leave no wiggle room for mental health days.
What I could do is combine the two trips, which would have the added benefit of saving air fare on one leg.
You could do the "PORTLAND TO PORTLAND" tour, Oregon to Maine (with a few side trips).
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
You could do the "PORTLAND TO PORTLAND" tour, Oregon to Maine (with a few side trips).
I don't ever want to go to Portland, Maine. I picture it as the inverse Portland, where there isn't even any proper doom, just endless amounts of crappy beer and crappy people and nothing ever goes right and I don't LIKE anyone and there's RWHN all over my shoes, screaming about "protecting our
assets and it's like the Reagan years NEVER ENDED.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
You could do the "PORTLAND TO PORTLAND" tour, Oregon to Maine (with a few side trips).
I don't ever want to go to Portland, Maine. I picture it as the inverse Portland, where there isn't even any proper doom, just endless amounts of crappy beer and crappy people and nothing ever goes right and I don't LIKE anyone and there's RWHN all over my shoes, screaming about "protecting our assets and it's like the Reagan years NEVER ENDED.
This is EXACTLY correct. Although you left out the part where people eat giant sea insects for some reason.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 18, 2014, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
You could do the "PORTLAND TO PORTLAND" tour, Oregon to Maine (with a few side trips).
I don't ever want to go to Portland, Maine. I picture it as the inverse Portland, where there isn't even any proper doom, just endless amounts of crappy beer and crappy people and nothing ever goes right and I don't LIKE anyone and there's RWHN all over my shoes, screaming about "protecting our assets and it's like the Reagan years NEVER ENDED.
This is EXACTLY correct. Although you left out the part where people eat giant sea insects for some reason.
I lived in Newfoundland. Lobster is only the beginning.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: AFK on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
I just thought I'd bump this little gem.
:lulz: Oh my god.
The first time I read it I think I just closed my eyes, hoping that it would go away and that he wasn't REALLY that guy.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on May 02, 2013, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Bebek Sincap Ratatosk on May 02, 2013, 10:18:46 AM
("communication occurs only between equals". - RAW)
This is incorrect. Communication only occurs in non-punishing situations. Not the same thing.
Then there's actually worthwhile insight like this, ITT.
Pretty decent thread, honestly, especially if you consider RWHN's posts as entertainment.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 18, 2014, 03:11:17 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 01:06:13 PM
Quote from: AFK on May 02, 2013, 05:11:07 AM
But then there is the conundrum where everyone is telling you that you are really smart, intelligent, etc., AND they are expecting you to fix shit and get shit done. You certainly can have humility and acknowledge that you have limits and are of course fallible. But when you have people depending on you, at some level you do have to take the mantle and run with it, that's just leadership. If you don't, then you have a bunch of directionless, fearful people on your hands with sads.
I just thought I'd bump this little gem.
:lulz: Oh my god.
The first time I read it I think I just closed my eyes, hoping that it would go away and that he wasn't REALLY that guy.
I sat there, amazed at the sheer arrogance. Especially given that he has zero leadership qualities.
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
Quote from: Hoopla on December 18, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
He founded a google group for other "preventionists", and they spent 6 years huffing each other's farts. Think of it as tumblr for actual Nazis.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 18, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
He founded a google group for other "preventionists", and they spent 6 years huffing each other's farts. Think of it as tumblr for actual Nazis.
"friendly reminder": there are actual neo-Nazis on tumblr already.
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 18, 2014, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 18, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
He founded a google group for other "preventionists", and they spent 6 years huffing each other's farts. Think of it as tumblr for actual Nazis.
"friendly reminder": there are actual neo-Nazis on tumblr already.
He's talking about real-life grown-up policymakers and lobbyists, kiddo, not basement-dwelling racists.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 18, 2014, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 18, 2014, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 18, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
He founded a google group for other "preventionists", and they spent 6 years huffing each other's farts. Think of it as tumblr for actual Nazis.
"friendly reminder": there are actual neo-Nazis on tumblr already.
He's talking about real-life grown-up policymakers and lobbyists, kiddo, not basement-dwelling racists.
Okay, fair enough.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 18, 2014, 07:35:01 PM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 18, 2014, 07:32:34 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 05:23:01 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 18, 2014, 05:20:16 PM
Unless he hid it really really well, he wasn't like that ten years ago. Something along the line inflated his narcissism to hilarious proportions.
He founded a google group for other "preventionists", and they spent 6 years huffing each other's farts. Think of it as tumblr for actual Nazis.
"friendly reminder": there are actual neo-Nazis on tumblr already.
He's talking about real-life grown-up policymakers and lobbyists, kiddo, not basement-dwelling racists.
Policymakers. :lulz:
Ah, the good old days. By which I mean the days when a rancid, misogynistic piece of shit dribbled his feeble hate all over the board.
That time made me sad, because I remember the kind of person he used to be, and his creatve ideas and contributions (and yes, he had them).
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
That time made me sad, because I remember the kind of person he used to be, and his creatve ideas and contributions (and yes, he had them).
Yeah, I feel like his personal life sent him off the deep end, to a level of involvement and dedication to his Cause that we just hadn't seen in him before. And it turned awful.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
That time made me sad, because I remember the kind of person he used to be, and his creatve ideas and contributions (and yes, he had them).
Ditto. The original RWHN was pretty awesome, despite the puns.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 18, 2014, 02:17:41 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 18, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
You could do the "PORTLAND TO PORTLAND" tour, Oregon to Maine (with a few side trips).
I don't ever want to go to Portland, Maine. I picture it as the inverse Portland, where there isn't even any proper doom, just endless amounts of crappy beer and crappy people and nothing ever goes right and I don't LIKE anyone and there's RWHN all over my shoes, screaming about "protecting our assets and it's like the Reagan years NEVER ENDED.
Actually, Portland Maine is at least twice as awesome as Portland Oregon. Unfortunately, it's completely surrounded by
Maine.
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I only had what was on the board to go by. He was a good guy to me, which I didn't really deserve at the time.
Maybe it's just because I joined this place when I was 17 and as I got older it was easier for me to see through him, but I definitely sensed a downward spiral.
I mean, he was always a dork but whatever his flaws, they got worse over time. Possibly as a result of his "sources" and everything else he used to back up his arguments being sussed out.
So maybe he always sucked, but at least there was a time when he wasn't quite as insufferably smug about how much he sucked.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I liked him for a short while. Until 2007 or so.
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I thought he was OK, despite the fact that I loathe puns, especially bad puns. Unfortunately, he couldn't cope with my hatred of stupid puns and decided he was my enemy. Whatevs, bro.
But once he spiraled into his weird anti-pot "I AM A POLICYMAKER" power trip, he was just lost. Typical case of a person who feels powerless seeking control over their own lives by imposing control on others.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I thought he was OK, despite the fact that I loathe puns, especially bad puns. Unfortunately, he couldn't cope with my hatred of stupid puns and decided he was my enemy. Whatevs, bro.
But once he spiraled into his weird anti-pot "I AM A POLICYMAKER" power trip, he was just lost. Typical case of a person who feels powerless seeking control over their own lives by imposing control on others.
The puns were a clear sign that something wasnt right. Never trust the intellectual integrity of a punner. :fnord:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I thought he was OK, despite the fact that I loathe puns, especially bad puns. Unfortunately, he couldn't cope with my hatred of stupid puns and decided he was my enemy. Whatevs, bro.
But once he spiraled into his weird anti-pot "I AM A POLICYMAKER" power trip, he was just lost. Typical case of a person who feels powerless seeking control over their own lives by imposing control on others.
I like puns when they're well done but then delivered at the top of your voice.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a good pun.
Quote from: The Johnny on December 19, 2014, 06:20:25 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I thought he was OK, despite the fact that I loathe puns, especially bad puns. Unfortunately, he couldn't cope with my hatred of stupid puns and decided he was my enemy. Whatevs, bro.
But once he spiraled into his weird anti-pot "I AM A POLICYMAKER" power trip, he was just lost. Typical case of a person who feels powerless seeking control over their own lives by imposing control on others.
The puns were a clear sign that something wasnt right. Never trust the intellectual integrity of a punner. :fnord:
Not fixed, just generally worth noting/
Quote from: Hoopla on December 19, 2014, 07:18:14 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a good pun.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608021873193847891&pid=1.7)
That's a good one.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 19, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
That's a good one.
It's the first "Coral" pun. Nothing has ever gotten close to it.
(It's also a fairly old joke)
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 19, 2014, 07:28:46 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on December 19, 2014, 07:18:14 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a good pun.
(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608021873193847891&pid=1.7)
:lulz:
Alright, I stand corrected.
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c2356ee3eb67b91bb34a012639f1c2e/tumblr_n90nhxGaeD1qbldjdo1_500.png)
One of millions of these things... i really personally hate puns, like, its a manner to be proud of oneselves vocabulary range and homophone usage thinking it makes oneself superior or SGITR sort of thing, gives me the heevy jeevies, we sohuld start a pention to ban puns in the world something about it slowly turning grey matter in to liquid jelly
Or
:?
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 19, 2014, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Quote from: East Coast Hustle on December 19, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
Also, fuck you guys' revisionist history.
RWHN was never that cool. I met him back when he hadn't been on the board that long and he was a weirdly breathy and pallid little shitburger even back then.
I thought he was OK, despite the fact that I loathe puns, especially bad puns. Unfortunately, he couldn't cope with my hatred of stupid puns and decided he was my enemy. Whatevs, bro.
But once he spiraled into his weird anti-pot "I AM A POLICYMAKER" power trip, he was just lost. Typical case of a person who feels powerless seeking control over their own lives by imposing control on others.
I like puns when they're well done but then delivered at the top of your voice.
I like puns when they're fucking awful and the person delivering them knows they're fucking awful.
Puns are generally considered the lowest form of humor because double-entendre is one of the earliest forms children learn, it's a very naive and undeveloped form of humor. Humor relies on surprise, and puns, by their nature, rarely deliver it. The more complex the thought processes must be to comprehend the humor, and the more the brain has to work to get it, the more rewarding it is.
Puns aren't inherently bad, they're just very, very simple and it is a simple mind which believes itself clever because it can pun.
Quote from: The Johnny on December 20, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
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One of millions of these things... i really personally hate puns, like, its a manner to be proud of oneselves vocabulary range and homophone usage thinking it makes oneself superior or SGITR sort of thing, gives me the heevy jeevies, we sohuld start a pention to ban puns in the world something about it slowly turning grey matter in to liquid jelly
Or
:?
I am with you 100%
Except for the fact that puns are really fun for children who are around four years old. They're just magic for preschoolers, so they do have some use in the world.
Quote from: The Johnny on December 20, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c2356ee3eb67b91bb34a012639f1c2e/tumblr_n90nhxGaeD1qbldjdo1_500.png)
One of millions of these things... i really personally hate puns, like, its a manner to be proud of oneselves vocabulary range and homophone usage thinking it makes oneself superior or SGITR sort of thing, gives me the heevy jeevies, we sohuld start a pention to ban puns in the world something about it slowly turning grey matter in to liquid jelly
Or
:?
People have hated puns for over a century, as detailed in the Marvelous Land of Oz, where the kindly Tin Woodman threatens a giant bug with an axe for his constant use of them.
They're not going away.
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:37:12 AM
Quote from: The Johnny on December 20, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/1c2356ee3eb67b91bb34a012639f1c2e/tumblr_n90nhxGaeD1qbldjdo1_500.png)
One of millions of these things... i really personally hate puns, like, its a manner to be proud of oneselves vocabulary range and homophone usage thinking it makes oneself superior or SGITR sort of thing, gives me the heevy jeevies, we sohuld start a pention to ban puns in the world something about it slowly turning grey matter in to liquid jelly
Or
:?
People have hated puns for over a century, as detailed in the Marvelous Land of Oz, where the kindly Tin Woodman threatens a giant bug with an axe for his constant use of them.
They're not going away.
Obviously they aren't going away, as there will always be simple people for whom puns are the best they can do.
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Language play of any kind is a completely legitimate game for everyone who works with small children.
My, my, but someone seems a little defensive about puns.
You might just want to try to limit it when you're around people who have a mental sophistication that exceeds that of your average 7-year-old.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Language play of any kind is a completely legitimate game for everyone who works with small children.
My, my, but someone seems a little defensive about puns.
Mostly because I like to read classic children's lit and watch cartoons. I won't deny the groan reflex, but I believe in art. And puns are one form of art.
Plus I am not certain a groan at a pun is a universal constant. I think I read somewhere Japan has a great love for puns. But I need to read more about this.
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Language play of any kind is a completely legitimate game for everyone who works with small children.
My, my, but someone seems a little defensive about puns.
Mostly because I like to read classic children's lit and watch cartoons. I won't deny the groan reflex, but I believe in art. And puns are one form of art.
Plus I am not certain a groan at a pun is a universal constant. I think I read somewhere Japan has a great love for puns. But I need to read more about this.
You seem to be a believer in many things which you have not researched.
Serious question -- forgive me if I have asked this before -- are you a child?
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
I reserve the right to occasionally crack juvenile jokes. Puns, toilet humor, etc.
It is infuriating when done constantly, though.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 20, 2014, 03:20:21 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
I reserve the right to occasionally crack juvenile jokes. Puns, toilet humor, etc.
It is infuriating when done constantly, though.
It's really just a matter of degrees, there's no absolute cutoff. Wordplay and childish humor is funny sometimes, it's just not funny all the time, and not only is there a lot of in-between area, but it becomes quickly tiresome and kind of sad when that is the only humor of which someone is capable. At least if they're an adult.
I'd say there's a difference between a well constructed effort (the memes, a sketch, one of Dok's lengthy set-ups (the Soul Coughing one you did a while back was GENIUS)) and a thread that's just one hastily thrown pun after another.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 03:08:09 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Language play of any kind is a completely legitimate game for everyone who works with small children.
My, my, but someone seems a little defensive about puns.
Mostly because I like to read classic children's lit and watch cartoons. I won't deny the groan reflex, but I believe in art. And puns are one form of art.
Plus I am not certain a groan at a pun is a universal constant. I think I read somewhere Japan has a great love for puns. But I need to read more about this.
You seem to be a believer in many things which you have not researched.
Yes, a flaw I admit to freely. :lulz: I do promise to research more fully in the morning after sleeping a few more hours.
But as to whether I'm a child? I'm 26 years old. Have I, er, been overstepping obvious bounds?
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 05:06:41 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 03:08:09 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:49:56 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:45:27 AM
Quote from: BrotherPrickle on December 20, 2014, 02:41:23 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 20, 2014, 02:39:56 AM
And small children, for whom puns are a valuable exercise.
And children's book authors, who help show children how puns work?
Language play of any kind is a completely legitimate game for everyone who works with small children.
My, my, but someone seems a little defensive about puns.
Mostly because I like to read classic children's lit and watch cartoons. I won't deny the groan reflex, but I believe in art. And puns are one form of art.
Plus I am not certain a groan at a pun is a universal constant. I think I read somewhere Japan has a great love for puns. But I need to read more about this.
You seem to be a believer in many things which you have not researched.
Yes, a flaw I admit to freely. :lulz: I do promise to research more fully in the morning after sleeping a few more hours.
But as to whether I'm a child? I'm 26 years old. Have I, er, been overstepping obvious bounds?
No, I just wanted to know whether it would be appropriate for me to treat you more gently. I tend to be nicer to children when they say things that are poorly thought out, because, well, they're children.
Nigel, you are one cold shade-throwing piece of work. Masterful, one might say.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2014, 04:20:01 AM
I'd say there's a difference between a well constructed effort (the memes, a sketch, one of Dok's lengthy set-ups (the Soul Coughing one you did a while back was GENIUS)) and a thread that's just one hastily thrown pun after another.
What pisses me off is when puns require the word to be changed. It's crap, even when it's a one-off.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 21, 2014, 02:50:47 AM
Nigel, you are one cold shade-throwing piece of work. Masterful, one might say.
:thanks:
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 21, 2014, 03:39:32 AM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 20, 2014, 04:20:01 AM
I'd say there's a difference between a well constructed effort (the memes, a sketch, one of Dok's lengthy set-ups (the Soul Coughing one you did a while back was GENIUS)) and a thread that's just one hastily thrown pun after another.
What pisses me off is when puns require the word to be changed. It's crap, even when it's a one-off.
Oh god. When it's a literal stretch. Painful.
In case you want to do research, the phenomenon this thread was originally about is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 23, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
In case you want to do research, the phenomenon this thread was originally about is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY.
We've only been discussing that very thing since 2008. It's a good thing we had a genius to wade into us dunces and tell us about Dunning-Kruger.
lol
Just trying to help. At least I'm correct, unlike quite a lot of people. But then again, everything is true, even false things.
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 23, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
At least I'm correct, unlike quite a lot of people.
You just busted my irony meter.
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 23, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
In case you want to do research, the phenomenon this thread was originally about is called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
And here we have an excellent example of it in action.
The funniest thing about it is that Johnny mentioned Dunning & Kruger on page 1 of this thread. :lol:
Hey Anvil, you might want to research this phenomenon: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SGitR
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 23, 2014, 03:14:38 PM
The funniest thing about it is that Johnny mentioned Dunning & Kruger on page 1 of this thread. :lol:
Hey Anvil, you might want to research this phenomenon: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SGitR
Ok, that's
priceless.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 23, 2014, 03:34:46 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 23, 2014, 03:14:38 PM
The funniest thing about it is that Johnny mentioned Dunning & Kruger on page 1 of this thread. :lol:
Hey Anvil, you might want to research this phenomenon: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SGitR
Ok, that's priceless.
Isn't it kind of gorgeous?
It's the thread that keeps on giving!
Quote from: Hoopla on December 23, 2014, 06:05:09 PM
It's the thread that keeps on giving!
It's like a fucking assembly line.
I'm enjoying this thread quite a lot. :lol:
On-topic, I have another book to add to my recommended reading list about wrongness: it's called Mistakes Were Made (but not by me) and it's about the cognitive biases and self-deception we develop to reduce the cognitive dissonance of being wrong; the phenomenon that allows us to be blissful dumbasses and complete hypocrites while secure in a comforting belief that we are absolutely right and beyond reproach.
I need that book!!
Quote from: Hoopla on December 23, 2014, 07:11:25 PM
I need that book!!
It is a seriously excellent and uncomfortable read. Uncomfortable because there's no escaping the recognition that you do all of the things the authors describe.
Jesus Christ. Whenever I try to do ANYTHING for you guys, I do something wrong.
Is there any way I could contribute to PD.com without being seen as a troll or an idiot?
I'm being totally serious.
(P. S. That discussion about me was actually hilarious. I laughed.)
To clarify:
This is an amazing community. You are all AWESOME. Keep up the good work!
PD.com is a great site, and I've actually learned a lot from you.
I want to help this community.
When I try, I epically fail.
You don't seem to like that which makes sense seeing as it's a) an epic fail and b) I'm a noob.
Any tips?
(P. S. Just finished the Chao te Ching. Loved it. 5 star rating.)
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:19:26 AM
To clarify:
This is an amazing community. You are all AWESOME. Keep up the good work!
PD.com is a great site, and I've actually learned a lot from you.
I want to help this community.
When I try, I epically fail.
You don't seem to like that which makes sense seeing as it's a) an epic fail and b) I'm a noob.
Any tips?
(P. S. Just finished the Chao te Ching. Loved it. 5 star rating.)
Maybe be less helpful, and instead just be?
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:10:46 AM
Jesus Christ. Whenever I try to do ANYTHING for you guys, I do something wrong.
Is there any way I could contribute to PD.com without being seen as a troll or an idiot?
I'm being totally serious.
(P. S. That discussion about me was actually hilarious. I laughed.)
My best suggestion is:
1. Stop trying to "help". There's this thing that happens when you have the mindset that you are here to "be helpful", which is that you end up giving people uninformed, unhelpful unsolicited advice, which in general people will perceive either as you being condescending or as you being a dumbass. You see that shit all over Facebook, and nobody likes it there either.
2. Read the thread before commenting. That can really help head off accidental dumbassery. We all violate this regularly, but that's largely because we
3. Know your audience. I don't mean memorize our work schedules and birthdays, that's creepy. But I do mean that there aren't that many people here and we are all very different individuals with different areas of expertise. For example, Johnny is a psychology graduate student and I'm a bio/psych double major undergrad. The odds that neither of us would have heard of the Dunning-Kruger Effect are vanishingly small. Now, I'm not saying that you should be able to recall everyone's field of study off the top of your head, but hopefully it should at least ring a bell, so that you don't find yourself helpfully informing Cain about terrorism facts.
4. Be humble. Yeah, I know that we don't generally seem very humble (THIS THREAD NOTWITHSTANDING) but the reality is that you're on a forum where anything you know, it is highly likely that at least one other person knows. For the most part, except when things break down into inchoate screeching at each other over trivial slights real and imagined, we are able to get along with each other fairly well by following the general rules of politeness, including trying not to assume that the people you are talking to don't already know all about what it is you're planning to tell them. Sometimes they won't, and you get a chance to share something new. Sometimes they will know more than you do, in which case you might get a chance to learn something new.
5. Use all of the above to help you think your post through, both as you're writing and on your final read-through before hitting "post".
6) Do not assume that being corrected or ribbed for fucking up means everyone hates you forever and take it personal-like. Wear a helmet, take your knocks, and do better next time.
Agreed with all of the above, save for one thing: You should TOTALLY explain terrorism to Cain.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 25, 2014, 02:48:32 AM
Agreed with all of the above, save for one thing: You should TOTALLY explain terrorism to Cain.
:spittake:
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 25, 2014, 02:17:20 AM
6) Do not assume that being corrected or ribbed for fucking up means everyone hates you forever and take it personal-like. Wear a helmet, take your knocks, and do better next time.
QG is correct, except in my case. I fuckin' hate you. It's nothing personal.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 25, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on December 25, 2014, 02:17:20 AM
6) Do not assume that being corrected or ribbed for fucking up means everyone hates you forever and take it personal-like. Wear a helmet, take your knocks, and do better next time.
QG is correct, except in my case. I fuckin' hate you. It's nothing personal.
:lulz: Truth.
Got it.
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Or possibly merely mentally stunted. Children pass through a stage where they are unable to grasp the concept of acting from a distance, or really any sort of theory of mind, so it's possible that people who see other people online as "just pixels on a screen" are just developmentally delayed.
I realized today why I have felt so stupid on this forum lately (other than just possibly being stupid)... we used to have tons of posters here, of varying levels of intelligence, artistic ability, general tolerability, etc...
Traffic has gone way way down in the last few years. To the point where it seems like we have about 20 regular users... It occurred to me today that the vast majority of the regular posters who remained were of staggering intelligence. Roger, LMNO, Cain, Nigel, Queen Gojira, and likely others I have forgotten about at the moment... These are brilliant people. I can not hold a flame to them.
Realizing that didn't make me feel as bad. I wouldn't feel bad for feeling stupid next to Richard Feynman, why should I feel bad about feeling stupid next to these folks? I can learn a lot.
If I didn't include your name in the list, and you regularly post here, fear not... you are likely smarter than me too.
Intelligence is not the most important thing you can add to the board, perspective is.
At least that's what I tell myself when I have this same realization. :lulz:
Hoopla, intelligence is in many ways a matter of perspective, and I think Western culture has the tendency to put certain intelligence perspectives on a pedestal and demean others.
I was thinking about this thing this morning, which is how we feel embarrassed when we get things wrong or make a mistake... we're afraid to "look stupid". Which is really silly when you think about it, because when we try new things and take risks in pursuit of learning we aren't being stupid, we're being smart.
Anyway, now I'm just rambling and I should probably get back to homework. But Hoopla, if it makes you feel any better, I really enjoy and value your posts here, even when I argue with you over them.
I have found that being a dumbfuck is far more productive, at least on a professional level. I'm not afraid to change my mind, because what was in there was probably something pretty fucking dumb. This somehow gives me the reputation of extreme competence, even though it's really just a slight flexibility.
Being a genius doesn't look like much fun, anyway.
I should point out that I don't believe I'm actually stupid. Or, at least not the stupidest. Spending the holidays with the in-laws drove that home.
I know some stuff, but being around y'all is a little humbling now and then.
Nigel, I am pretty good at admitting I don't know something, which I attribute to Robert Anton Wilson. I wasn't so willing to admit ignorance before I started reading his work heavily, so there's that...
And Roger, your willingness to admit errors, and change your mind, has been one of the principle attributes about you that I admire. There are many others, but that's a biggie.
I've always thought it was interesting that some of the most brilliant, creative, and productive scientists in history have not been people with the highest IQ's. Mostly pretty bright, for sure, but not geniuses. There's like this above-average "sweet spot" that seems to allow people to thrive creatively without being crippled by neurosis.
Funny story: I just now was having a really pointless argument with a guy who contradicted me about ocean waves being caused by wind by insisting that they're caused by the tides. I tried to go with the soft save, with "I'm pretty sure surface waves are caused by wind, but I could be wrong" and rather than letting it go (or looking it up, which would have been a momentary Google search at most) he went into this whole thing about how waves are caused by the gravitational pull of the sun and moon, like tides. So I just posted this link: http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/facts/waves.html which explains waves. And he CONTINUED TO ARGUE.
The deadly fear of being wrong is kind of hilarious, but the thing is that refusing to admit to being wrong is making him look like a total tool, whereas if he'd said "Oh, interesting, I didn't realize that" everyone would have forgotten about it except for a lingering sense that he's pretty cool.
Hoopla, you made me blush.
But I don't think I'm smart, just curious. And I am also impressed with the amount of stuff other people know. And then curiosity kicks in.
That curiosity also is part of my most effective troll: constantly asking uncomfortable questions.
On the less snarky note, I do think that perspective is crucially important here. Measured intelligence, the more one learns, is a shady concept at best and has historical roots in racism and classism. I think what stands out about most of the smart people I've met in my life is they are, as LMNO pointed out, curiosity driven. I am intellectually lazy, and as such would not consider myself among the smarter members of this board.
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on January 09, 2015, 12:23:49 AM
But I don't think I'm smart,
You are incorrect. You're one of the 3 smartest people I've ever met, when everything is taken into consideration.
:oops:
It's true. You've obviously not paid enough attention to yourself explaining quantum mechanics. It's wicked impressive.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 09, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
It's true. You've obviously not paid enough attention to yourself explaining quantum mechanics. It's wicked impressive.
Oh hell yeah.
SPLOOSH
Quote from: Hoopla on January 09, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
It's true. You've obviously not paid enough attention to yourself explaining quantum mechanics. It's wicked impressive.
Not just in that respect. Hell, he's spent 12 years carefully hinting when I'm out of line. He's always right, too...But I never listen. I'm too busy sticking my OTHER foot in.
I've spent my whole life being very confident in my own intelligence, and this is the first time I've been embarrassed and intimidated to be added to a list of smart people.
Sorry if I embarrassed anyone.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Or possibly merely mentally stunted. Children pass through a stage where they are unable to grasp the concept of acting from a distance, or really any sort of theory of mind, so it's possible that people who see other people online as "just pixels on a screen" are just developmentally delayed.
I thought my tongue was in my cheek, but it seems i have bitten it off.
Oh well, at least i cut myself on sharp wits. Just imagine being cut by
mere humans. :shudder:
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on January 12, 2015, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Or possibly merely mentally stunted. Children pass through a stage where they are unable to grasp the concept of acting from a distance, or really any sort of theory of mind, so it's possible that people who see other people online as "just pixels on a screen" are just developmentally delayed.
I thought my tongue was in my cheek, but it seems i have bitten it off.
Oh well, at least i cut myself on sharp wits. Just imagine being cut by mere humans. :shudder:
Your whole "too clever to be sincere" schtick isn't clever. FYI. It's tedious, juvenile, grating, and reeks of insecurity. t's also reminiscent of narcissism, wherein the narcissist feels too fragile to allow their true self to show so they create a persona of who they wish they were. It's a strategy that leads nowhere productive, and I hope you get over it because I used to like you.
Quote from: Hoopla on January 09, 2015, 09:50:03 PM
Sorry if I embarrassed anyone.
I don't think it's anything to apologize for, it's just interesting that the consensus seems to be "oh, no, I'm not as smart as THOSE GUYS."
The mind is an instrument. Some people play it well and some don't. Also fields - Brilliant, nobel prize winning physicist / tone deaf
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 12, 2015, 01:39:35 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on January 12, 2015, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Or possibly merely mentally stunted. Children pass through a stage where they are unable to grasp the concept of acting from a distance, or really any sort of theory of mind, so it's possible that people who see other people online as "just pixels on a screen" are just developmentally delayed.
I thought my tongue was in my cheek, but it seems i have bitten it off.
Oh well, at least i cut myself on sharp wits. Just imagine being cut by mere humans. :shudder:
Your whole "too clever to be sincere" schtick isn't clever. FYI. It's tedious, juvenile, grating, and reeks of insecurity. t's also reminiscent of narcissism, wherein the narcissist feels too fragile to allow their true self to show so they create a persona of who they wish they were. It's a strategy that leads nowhere productive, and I hope you get over it because I used to like you.
That was painfully accurate.
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on January 18, 2015, 11:34:58 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on January 12, 2015, 01:39:35 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on January 12, 2015, 12:01:02 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on December 26, 2014, 09:08:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Quote from: Reginald Ret (07/05/1983 - 06/11/2014) on December 26, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on December 26, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: Rev. Mondo Anvil on December 25, 2014, 01:57:45 PM
Got it.
It has nothing to do with you as an individual. I just don't like your kind.
Pixels on a screen posing as Humans?
No. Humans. I have extremely good reasons for hating humans...But I don't consider them to be a collection of phosphor dots. If you think that the people you are talking to are just pixels on a screen, then you are also a wretchedly defective human as well.
Or possibly merely mentally stunted. Children pass through a stage where they are unable to grasp the concept of acting from a distance, or really any sort of theory of mind, so it's possible that people who see other people online as "just pixels on a screen" are just developmentally delayed.
I thought my tongue was in my cheek, but it seems i have bitten it off.
Oh well, at least i cut myself on sharp wits. Just imagine being cut by mere humans. :shudder:
Your whole "too clever to be sincere" schtick isn't clever. FYI. It's tedious, juvenile, grating, and reeks of insecurity. t's also reminiscent of narcissism, wherein the narcissist feels too fragile to allow their true self to show so they create a persona of who they wish they were. It's a strategy that leads nowhere productive, and I hope you get over it because I used to like you.
That was painfully accurate.
GOOD.
The real, sincere you is more likable and valuable than any face you could put on, authentic flaws, vulnerability, and all.
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on January 13, 2015, 02:35:24 PM
The mind is an instrument. Some people play it well and some don't. Also fields - Brilliant, nobel prize winning physicist / tone deaf
Although I think that is a terrible metaphor, I will run with it to the extent of saying that like any instrument, the more you practice the better you get.
Of course, there are some inherent limitations to the instrument itself; not everyone is born with a Hamburg Steinway, but then again not everyone who is born with a Hamburg Steinway learns to play it well.