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#1
Principia Discussion / Happy DiscoFlux
May 03, 2020, 01:21:51 PM
It is DiscoFlux and I wanted to celebrate it, but I haven't really gotten any plans. Probably my fondest DiscoFlux memory was explaining to someone that it was DiscoFlux and what it meant in the middle of a dance party in a loft above an old furniture store in Chicago after helping to arrange a protest against the TABD where despise their being hoards of riot cops with intent to assault everyone only one person was arrested (a friend of mine who was falsely accused of punching a horse even). The floors were shaking there were so many people jumping, at some point I remember thinking that we might cause the building to collapse. Today I was thinking it would be fun to do some kind of virtual DiscoFlux celebrating but I'm also just glad that I even remembered it was DiscoFlux and have made no preparations whatsoever.
#2
Ok so Brian Taylor as show runner could work, he wrote/directed Happy! which was based on a Grant Morrison comic and was quality enough, and definitely reminded me of the invisibles at some point with regards to the antagonists if having a hard boiled cop and imaginary kids cartoon unicorn as the heroes. This quote provides a better insight into it

"ILLUMINATUS! is a kind of mind-blowing literary miracle," Taylor, who will be the showrunner, said in a statement. "It manages to be completely seminal while as relevant today – if not more so – than the day it was published. Wilson and Shea have created a fractal-like world of conspiracy inside conspiracy that completely anticipates today's internet-fueled, Post-Truth culture." from https://www.denofgeek.com/us/tv/284919/the-illuminatus-trilogy-tv-series

But yeah it'd be hard to do well, I'd prefer if they did a take like the watchmen series and set it after the events of the novels, maybe based upon the unfinished son of Illuminatus that Shea and Wilson said they were working on but I doubt that would really fly in terms of TV $.
#3
I gave my copy of Illuminatus to someone I knew who was super into @lex Jones and I'm not sure he read it but he mentioned, yeah that was out dated cuz they didn't know the real Illuminati in the 70s or something along those lines. I can hardly imagine this being great if they take it seriously in anyway at all, it's probably important that the producers see the fnords if you know what I don't mean.
#4
Principia Discussion / Re: Merry Mungday 3186
January 07, 2020, 01:07:01 PM
For sure, I think I am numbed to it, in theory we could all have some impact on events but hardly in a direct way nd our time and energy is limited. Imagine though if we heard news of events happening on planets light years away. We would detach because we had to. Never heard that particular take on European history before, I wonder who the people were because most narratives would be written from the perspective of those in power. Either way it's important to selectively filter the way we perceive the world because we don't all need to act as sewer filters.
#5
Principia Discussion / Merry Mungday 3186
January 05, 2020, 04:34:29 PM
So how are we fellow discordians celebrating mungday ? I feel like my failed tradition of mungbean casserole is better updated with some kind of random walking in the woods, if I didn't have a 3yr old to tag-a-long I might "try" to get lost but yeah, it's coldish and perhaps watching documentaries on taoism and mourning the spirit of the extinct fresh-water dolphin would also make sense. Sitting in the gray void of Ohio, I just saw a brief ray of light shine through the clouds.
#6
This is just a stupid random observation in celebrating of the upcoming Mung Day 3186 -
One of the first Android phones was the Droid Eris
When Huwaei decided to fork Android because of the sanctions on China they came up with HongMeng OS https://www.huaweicentral.com/hongmeng-is-huaweis-first-ever-self-developed-operating-system/ which is obviously named after the ancient chinese character Hong Meng - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Meng of the Taoist primordial chaos creation myth which of course Hung Mung the patron saint of Mung day according to the POEE calendar comes from...
For the English speakers they call it HarmonyOS

I just thought this was interesting enough to post here.
#7
Or Kill Me / Discordian Philosophy vs. Discordian People
September 29, 2005, 04:28:29 PM
Quote from: Verthaine
Quote from: LMNO
Quote from: metapunk
Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.


Please tell me you didn't just say that "domestication" and "civilization" are bad things, as you type out your ideology on a device that could not possibly exist without civilization, in a domecile that would not exist without domestication.

You remind me of all the socialists in college who lived off their trust fund left to them by their rich (capitalistic) grandfather.

Fuck this shit.I have no desire to be some shiny happy treehuggin hippy livin off the land.Fuck the "back to nature" mentality.In truth,nature is a bitch.
Don't get me wrong,I have nothing against nature,I just don;t want to go back being dirty stinking primitive savage.I hate the fact that the xtians took my ancestors out of the wilds of africa to be slave,but I have no desire to go back to my ancestors life style.
I like all the modern convienences.I love the internet.I want my Cartoon network.I want my playstation 2 back.
Nothing pisses me off more then some sanctemoniuos hippy/anarchist who looks down own me because I don't want to go back to eating veggies straight out the ground and tilling the fields.You know what I say to people like that:FUCK YOU FARMER RETARD.HOPE YOU GET FUCKED UP THE ASS BY A BEAR.
I also can't stand trustfund anarchists who want to "smash the system" while masterbating to Kropotkin.The problem with so many anarchists today is that they are so hardcore,they seem to be spending a lot of energy rebelling against the rules of GOOD HYGIENE.IF anarchists hate capitisim so much,send me all your money,so that you won't be tainted.
I have yet to meet an anarchist who can actually explain what the hell we do after we"smash the system".I've met so many aggro hippies and wanna be armchair anarchists,I know for a fact those are the first people to shit their pants if true anarchy happens(most of the gutterpunk anarchists in N'awlins hid in their squats during the aftermath of Katrina,leaving everyone else to go out and try to find food and water).


Did I FUCKING say we should go back to NATURE and become primitive FARMERS ? A fucking contradiction in itself. NO.

I know that all of you fucking discordians are just a bunch of haters who seem to do anything you can to distance yourself from fucking anarchists which is just fine and dandy sit in your house on your computer and type inane shite all day until your fingers fall off.

But really did I look down at you. DID I EVER FUCKING SAY SHIT other than all of the cynical fucking subgenii hostility is pretty boring. Nope.

Once again your putting words into my mouth based upon things you thought you heard elsewhere and are colloborating into ideas I have put forth.

I was merely drawing a metaphor between the rise of civilization and the rise of a greyface mentality. Of course since all of you are happily dependent upon pinks and greys to feed you then you really have no problems with the near enslavement of individuals suffering in 3rd world countries to produce the precious commodities like your playstation 2.
Hey you got it might as well play it.

Sure everybody hates trustfund anarchists. They're annoyingly priviledged and piss off everyone around them by being care-free cuz they can always fall back on mommy and daddies money. That's just an easy target...

Ohh well I guess I'm just the "anarchist poster child" for you guys to fling shit on all day. Hope your having fun...
#8
Or Kill Me / Discordian Philosophy vs. Discordian People
September 29, 2005, 05:55:07 AM
Yeah that's one thing that gets me about this board, it is the hestation to post something for fear of being considered a n00b and getting flamed by a bunch of subgenii..actually it doesn't get me at all, it's just kind of stupid.

at the same time I remember when X-day happened and everybody was standing around all early in the morning and no spaceships showed up, there was this sort of pretentious guy passing around little discordian pamphlets saying something about haha, now check out this silly subgenii...23 skidoo..

All in all, zen is a deep concept which is compatible with discordianism in the sense that being a evolution of buddhism it realizes to a certain degree that the self is an illusion, and that suffering comes from this concept of attainment and desire, wishing the world was different from how it is, zen or sitting there is just kind of a realization that we spend so much time projecting our ego onto the world that we think that we are real, when in fact we are not these seperate entities but a interconnected life flow...

going from that though there is a certain amount of dogma associated with even the zen buddhism of Japan in that they don't steal or get intoxicated or tell lies.

there is also the concept of doing right.

i see more in common with taoism in the sense of understanding the flow, understanding eris as an embodiment of the principles of the universal life force that we all are/are a part of, even if it is all a fictional label...

i see discordianism as understanding that too a large degree objective reality is not something that exists outside of ourselves but something that is filtered through our minds. what we think is real is what we see as real, where we can alter the way we see things in order to alter their reality in terms of how they affect us, kind of the way the filter of capitalism creates these fictions of property and currency and then situates them into terms where people think of a space as REAL estate, and empower the government and the idea of the rulers in the state. Where they go into a store and pledge allegiance to the economy in terms of dollars that just tranfers more life into a system where the rich get the most out of it.

Many people don't realize the subjectivity of currency, they think of money as real...

That is one of the things I've always enjoyed about the discordian society vs. the subgenii and something I was talking about earlier. They've always embraced a kind of it's a suckers game so lets suck the money out of them, which has given the subgenii more space and venues in real life, such as renting the pagan campgrounds for X day. They hold devivals and make cash and sell shit. Where as the discordians have no prophets.

Of course now I don't believe that these so called individuals who think that they get it have really gotten anything other than a kind of elitist attitude and laid back lets just laugh at the people who come in here and think they got anything out of the BOOK whose domain we are talking on, while we go on and post a million inane comments as if they were insightful or enlightened other than just the social gibberish of a particular internet clique. But perhaps I'm wrong, a lot of people do come in here and seem to spout off a lot of trash talking and then leave, but what do you expect out of a religion that is based upon the goddess of chaos, confusion and disorder whose sole history to the Greek world is that of someone who was disinvited to a party and tossed in a apple that wreaked social havok and caused major drama as well as the first war.

But if you look at it more closely, what happened is Man trys to suppress Chaos, and because of this he finds himself vainly stroking his ego deciding between power, fame or a woman, because he has suppressed the womans role and stolen her power through the imposition of patriarchy. Literally he goes over and steals Helen (i believe) and then her dad comes over and trys to start a war cuz he stole his daughter aka property. I do think that there is some more to the story than just that.

Or tying in the parallels of grey face and civilization, or that greyface is really a metaphor for domestication and civilization. Meaning that when we tried to kill the chaos of reality through imposing our internal concepts of order upon nature and everyone around us, we lose the ability to just be happy children dancing in the sunlight, picking fruits and vegetables, hunting rabbits and living as one with the external reality that could be dubbed nature or just life in general. When we feel like we need to do WORK or till the field or protect the castle, or whatever we take things way too seriously, and thus the greyface complex.

I'm not advocating anything these are just some thoughts.
#9
Bring and Brag / Muck Racking Masonry...
September 28, 2005, 04:24:59 PM
#10
Or Kill Me / Discordians should learn how to FSU
September 28, 2005, 04:10:54 PM
umm really now guys, you took it all way to seriously, but if my stumbling into the party and spilling the bunch bowl and then urinating in the aquarium was amusing to you then you got whatever you needed from the moment at hand...

toss another mug into the air and slurp the beer before it gets soaked into the urine/fish water shaped mug by destroying the laws of gravity with my super anarchist fun powers...
#11
Or Kill Me / Discordians should learn how to FSU
September 27, 2005, 06:24:19 PM
ohh well time to quite wasting my time replying to people who can only say your not cool, not like me, your ideas are lame and unoriginal and not even interesting.

i don't really care, did I come in here proclaiming I HAVE IT ALL FIGURED out...Discordians should learn how to fuck shit up...ohh wait, I did...

hahahahaha...that's hillfuckinglarious...

one thing I know for sure, discordians sure know how to engage in flame wars...ohh wait that's cuz we invented the concept.

yeah any steam i had is now deflated in the perspective of jaded disgruntledness i'm gonna go get a job at a corporate fast food resteraunt so i can get drunk and subscribe to newsweek...
#12
Or Kill Me / Discordians should learn how to FSU
September 27, 2005, 06:13:05 PM
I agree with your Verhaine. Most anarchists are delusion without realizing their delusion, one aspect of discordianism I've always tried to bring to the anarchists table is that of the realization that what I perceive to be true is not True, of course this is just considered post-modernism by many but whatever that is besides the point.

When I mean subversive activities it really doesn't entail some kind of disruptive aggressive activities to sabotage the state or capitalism in general. I'm really just coming off that way because it ended up riling everyone up, fuck it I don't know why I post what I do, the words just flow out of my fingers and onto the screen without much forethough which is why it's easy to pick them apart and go haha what ?

So in actuality it was a stupid way to go about venting my rage towards the discordians but at least it provoked a discussion/argument and even if it made me look like a dumbass I don't really care because I'm still able to communicate my part even if whatever.

Ohh yeah and as far as chaos magickans go, I don't really know what everyones individual decisions are about them. In general I don't know too many, I met some kid who said that the operation mindfuck discordians on here harassed him cuz he was all about the sigils and then he was touring around with some other wacko's that I know and well...

I could offer a critique of chaos magick from the perspective that its kind of a self-absorbed egotistical mindfuck as opposed to a zenarchist outerflowing universal mindfuck as I could see a pantheistic erisian taoist point of view.

Really though I would like to see a sort of scavenger based gift economy in the market of excess, and ultimately establishing survival is kind of dependent upon not destroying the resources we depend upon for survival in general, as per permaculture and chaos gardening rather than industrial agroculture...

Hmm, yeah...It's fun attempting to redevelop the faux persona on a internet site coming in from being stereotyped as a hater better than thou whiny snotty kid to the actual embodiment of whatever fucking ego trip attached to this body is...
#13
Or Kill Me / Discordians should learn how to FSU
September 27, 2005, 04:27:19 PM
The only interesting aspect of this whole conversation had to do with the dhrama conceptualization. Sure chaos and drama are independent.

What happened when I came in here acting the fool, criticizing people and talking shit out of context, is that it offended people. Usually people are only offended when it strikes a nerve, or perhaps they just love to categorize and stereotype people into miscellaneous concepts.

It's more of an attack on the flame-war, one-liner atmosphere that Bulletin boards and internet forums generate than anything in particular against the participants of this one. If you go to any bulletin board what dominates is drama and flame wars cuz anyone who wants to have intelligent debate either gets ignored or bored or doesn't have the tenacity to stick it out. At least that's been my experience.

As far as discordianism, as per an ism, it's just an absurdist religion that brings together freaks and rejects to fly a flag and give each other silly titles. It poses no threat because there is no cohesion behind its adherents, they are just as likely to argue about the color of their turtlenecks than to engage in subversive activities. The spectacle will easily absorb their antics into its production, but atleast it doesn't embrace the consumer reality as the only game in town and attempt to profit off the pinks as the sub-genii engage in all out commercialism in attempt to commodify themselves. Well atleast theirs was as succesful strategy.

Now take it easy. Do whatever the fuck you want and we'll argue until this gets boring, which is right about now.
#14
Or Kill Me / The Meta Rant
September 27, 2005, 02:07:09 AM
fucking sub-genii elitist, i hate the term pink, do i give a flying fuck, do i have any sympathy for your nazi fetishizing brutality posing as a religion, sure but I really don't think that sucking on the tit of capitalism and preaching a dead religion is going to alter the status quo so much as perpetuate the sense of naseua one feels at living.
#15
Or Kill Me / Discordians should learn how to FSU
September 26, 2005, 06:24:50 PM
Umm I'm sure, I guess this could just end up being a driveby as I've never really been able to prolong interest in these internet forums, we got a nice community of discordians here in town that don't really do the whole discointernet ball thing. We did end up having a celebration for Sinko-de-Mayo, even after Eris ganked my cellphone on Chaoflux of this year leading to a lack of communication amongst all of the discordians in town...

I suppose I have no plan, to have a plan would be pathetic, because it's merely an attempt to paint possibilities with a grid intersecting onto dates, but I have ideas and perhaps I could of went through all of the inane debates and what not to try and find the meat of past conversations but instead its just easier to hop into the fray mouth blaring and fingers eloborating conventional ideas.

I was just quoting a suggestion from 1985 by Hakim Bey for a Congress of Weird Religions. http://www.left-bank.org/bey/foracong.htm

If you wanna hear what I'm proposing I doubt it's unique, fuck, I'd just like to see us engage in some more physical meet-ups and bizarre shite, but considering there are far to many wackos and miscreant holding/hiding the discordian banner it's unlikely to happen anyway but organically in order to prosper. I mean it just seems like the subgenii are the ones who used to hold all the parties and even seem to define discordians with their whole organized religion. I mean I was at X-day so I'm not talking shit, it was fun but I don't find dorky puns to be utterly enlighting, though if that is your cup of tea, sip it and gain what caffeinated cheese it provides you with...

Fuck people talking shit about chaos magick from their I'm so uber elite materialist that understands the universe obeys the laws of physics and your attempts at spirituality are just a joke that holds no basis in my ordered scientific materialist understanding of reality which I colour up with a little dorky joke on religion type shite...

AT this point. I would like to see more discordian temples, less dhrama, more anarchist orgys of confusion smart mob style such as the protests I've held to "Get Black Olive's out of the Can"...

I'd like to see crazy parades with bizarre costumes and some kind of critiques of the status quo television station cabbagecaster mentality which we all hate, but can't begin to alter through conventional means.

I had the idea to start a joke political party, the libertarian socialist discordian party, or LSD party but it reeks to much of electoral politics and drug busts for me to actually engage in said activitys under that moniker...we actually did hold a primary and decided to run Michael Dukasis for President and Big Boy holding Timothy Leary's ashes in a urn as VP. I think we won....

So really there is hardly anything possible via the disparate disconnection other than sharing ideas and flossing our teeth with these international forums...

I'd just like to see some meet-ups happening in real life now that MeetUPcorp decided to start charging people...Not like it happens...
Once friendships are formed. Anyways Discordianism always make me feel kind of queazy, but that's probably just my pineal gland acting up and/or the weird religiousness factor that disturbs the zen state of anarchy embodied in zenarchy when you start creating labels and running around with a label gun trying to alter everything by relabeling activities in perpetuity.

BEyond the immediate we could use a more interactive hub that would allow a continuity of dialogue and sharing of information that was accessible rather than buried in the context of a bulletin board style format. I could do it but I got lots of other shit on my plate and the chickens keep pooping more...

SO if anyone is in OHIO and they dig some kind of absurdist protest/colloboration and are wondering if it's snowing outside then respond. If you wanna joke about my name cuz I showed up out of nowhere with a new login and started dissing then go ahead, it might even be a real attempt at conversation after the insults die...