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If anybody can confirm this was a troll, well, that's about the only way I'd actually watch the damn thing.

It was actually a pretty good show. A very frustratingly good show. You also now have the benefit of watching up to season 5 immediately. by the time you get to the end of season 5, Season 6 will be out on DVD.

Holy crap. If you click the link for "23" they Lo5 the whole thing for you. How did I miss all that?

Hmmm... following the links now. Intriguing.

I'm convinced that this show was six years of JJ. Abrahms getting paid to fuck with people.
Isn't he a discordian, didn't he mention eris on some award show or something?
The show ended on 5/23, flight 815.

What made me sure that he had no intention of resolving anything was when I saw an interview (with Colbert, I believe), he looked off camera, said "Lost is...confusing" in this introspective way, and got this big shit-eating grin.

We've been TROLLED people. 

Just for reference, do you know what award or when it was? Google and Youtube aren't giving me much to go on. If you can put a link to a clip where he accepts an award and says something like "First and foremost I would like to thank Eris, with Her all things are possible..." I will have to laugh at myself and applaud him.

Unless you're J.J. Abrams and can confirm this as a primary source... 

I'm convinced that this show was six years of JJ. Abrahms getting paid to fuck with people.
Isn't he a discordian, didn't he mention eris on some award show or something?
The show ended on 5/23, flight 815.

What made me sure that he had no intention of resolving anything was when I saw an interview (with Colbert, I believe), he looked off camera, said "Lost is...confusing" in this introspective way, and got this big shit-eating grin.

We've been TROLLED people. 

That would be kinda cool actually. One of the numbers is 23, and of course 42 is the answer to everything. Hmmm...

Which parts did you want explained more?

Mostly a clearer explanaition of the islands "mysterious" qualites and some clarity on the early Jacob/Man in black and their "mother" stuff in addition to some more nit-picky stuff.

Yeah, that would have been nice.

When the plug was pulled it sounded like machinery to me... my theory is ancient aliens.  I prefer that to "god".

They still don't adequately explain the Egyptian mystique. Ok, Jacob and MIB were essentially the sons of a Roman mother, but where did all the Egyptian crap come from? Why did their people (Romans) have a scientific acumen more in fitting with the Renaissance/Early Modern Period even thought they clearly were ancient from their fantasy TV show clothing? And then, why does Jacob have a Hebrew name? Was it because he was born to a Christian mother in the late Empire? And what is the Heart of the Island? Why is it so important? More importantly--why would MIB's leaving the Island have destroyed the whole world? That's a pretty big one. Near as I can tell, it's just some misanthropic Italian turned to smoke dude who just wants to get the fuck off the Island. That doesn't seem like Hell breaking loose on Earth to me. I'd want to get the hell off too. I don't see why the Universe has to collapse as a result. What is the mystical significance of the Valenzetti Equation and why would it curse Hurley if they're just a statistical formula? And Walt. What the fuck is up with Walt? Forget the fact that he's too old to play the part, that's a loose thread. It's questions like these. They demand answers.

Too many goddamn commercials!   

Couldn't they have got Target to shell out some extra dough and just run their commercials instead of having the show so damned chopped up?  2 1/2 hours sounds nice until you realize that probably a good 30 minutes of it is ads.  The hard core Lost fans watching this thing don't give a fuck about where they can get surf and turf or the latest death trap on wheels from Toyota.  Just give us the fucking show!

Listen carefully to the dialog between Jack and his dad. Everyone there died where they normally died. Jin, Sung & Sajid on the submarine, Juliette in the hole, Kate at some unrevealed point in the future. Jack's father said they were all there because "there is no now, here", meaning that anyone who died in the past or the future would share the same space there.

Their time on the island was real, the island was real. What they were saying is that the alternate timeline of the 6th season actually begins the moment jack dies at the end. The alternate timeline was his journey to accept death. Its point was to make him remember, to see that his time on the island with those people, was the most important part of his life.

So there you have it. It all really happened, and jack died at the end.

That's just how I and the Mr. viewed it.

^This

SPOILER ALERT

In between my last post and going to band practice, etc... this was the conclusion I came to. The people on the Island were the most important people in Jack's life. The fact that Christian said "some much later" pretty much sums it up (meaning Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, Desmond, Rose, Bernard, and Frank all died later). The flash-sideways is Jack's first phase of afterlife, and a place to meet up with the people who actually mattered in his life. After they themselves died. Here's the thing I don't get though... Jack had a son with Juliet in the flash sideways, and he seems to matter to him.... Did Jack knock up Kate (I'm assuming it wasn't actually Juliet) off screen in the last season? Is he facing regret that he never knew his son? And as far as flash-sideways being purgatory, wtf happened when they blew up the nuke then? I was pretty sure that they had created an alternate timeline in which they never came to the Island, Jacob never altered their lives, and therefore they took different courses. That's why I want a little more clarity. I've not seen the DVDs so I never saw a dead Desmond, etc... but maybe I should. Might clear up a few things. I did like that meet up between Hurley and Ben, and Locke and Ben though. Especially where Ben apologizes to Locke for killing him, and where he tells Hurley he was a great number 1 and Hurley says Ben was a great number 2... leaves a lot to be interpreted, but, yeah, Hurley was a better Jacob than Jacob, and Ben ended up redeeming himself from his moral ambiguity. That was kinda cool. I like the ending more now that I've had more time to think about it.

They should make a couple of TV movies to answer more questions. They can be called "Lost: The Hurley Years" The remaining survivors could have an annual barbecue reunion with Hurley as the host at Dharmaville, since Hurley changed it so people can go back and forth from the Island. Hell, he could open up a beach resort for a mystery tour, with hillarity to ensue. Since he can see dead people he can invite Eko, Charlie, Juliet and Jack too.

I was kind of hoping the bear was going to actually fight someone, but that was still amazing.  Bears are to be feared.  If they have that kind of hand eye coordination, they could probably wear armor and wield guns, too.

Gun wielding bear=Metal

Anything left of the Democrats is considered socialism here. Depending on who you ask these days anything left of Republicans is socialism here. The word is used like a boogie man. Socialism is thrown around here in such a vague way that it doesn't really mean anything other than, "we can't have this 'radical' try to provide us with health-care" But the things you list here would be considered part of a socialist platform. Out of curiousity, what do they recommend lowering the voting age to? It's 18 in the US.

Edit: Realizing though, that Ratatosk isn't using the word in the vague sort of fnord way.

Heh, I'm from "here," I know this is way too far left to be viable (hell, it's is a form of socialism). I'm not exactly sure what age is considered good enough for voting rights. I'm actually okay with 18, mostly because it means there's a good chance the voters are high school graduates. I do know that the voting age in the US wasn't always 18, but I don't think I could support a voting age of 21.

Ah, I must've misread the Denmark thing, I thought you were Danish for a moment. I'm kinda along the same lines as you are as far as voting age. I'm just remembering when I was 16 or so. I would have cheerfully voted but I don't think that my politics were fully formed (certainly not fully informed) at that time.

Don't know if it's not viable, just not viable here yet. People are still very wary of things on that list, though a lot of it just seems very reactionary. And McCain opened up Pandora's Box in a poorly thought attempt intrying to win over a perceived swath of angry Hillary supporters. That's just my opinion though.

Too many goddamn commercials!   

Couldn't they have got Target to shell out some extra dough and just run their commercials instead of having the show so damned chopped up?  2 1/2 hours sounds nice until you realize that probably a good 30 minutes of it is ads.  The hard core Lost fans watching this thing don't give a fuck about where they can get surf and turf or the latest death trap on wheels from Toyota.  Just give us the fucking show!

True, though I did like the Target one for computer keyboards.

Socialism could be accomplished without the sacrifice of rights and freedoms, but only with a government that works from the service paradigm.

That sounds a bit like social democracy, at least, to me. I could be reading things into it that aren't there.

In general, contemporary social democrats support:

   * A mixed economy consisting of both private enterprise and publicly owned or subsidized programs of education, universal health care, child care and related social services for all citizens.
   * An extensive system of social security (although usually not to the extent advocated by socialists), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
   * Government bodies that regulate private enterprise in the interests of workers and consumers by ensuring labor rights (i.e. supporting worker access to trade unions), consumer protections, and fair market competition.
   * Environmentalism and environmental protection laws; for example, funding for alternative energy resources and laws designed to combat global warming.
   * A value-added/progressive taxation system to fund government expenditures.
   * A secular and a socially progressive policy.
   * Immigration and multiculturalism.
   * Youth rights and lowering the voting age.
   * Fair trade over free trade.
   * A foreign policy supporting the promotion of democracy, the protection of human rights and where possible, effective multilateralism.
   * Advocacy of social justice, human rights, social rights, civil rights and civil liberties.

Anything left of the Democrats is considered socialism here. Depending on who you ask these days anything left of Republicans is socialism here. The word is used like a boogie man. Socialism is thrown around here in such a vague way that it doesn't really mean anything other than, "we can't have this 'radical' try to provide us with health-care" But the things you list here would be considered part of a socialist platform. Out of curiousity, what do they recommend lowering the voting age to? It's 18 in the US.

Edit: Realizing though, that Ratatosk isn't using the word in the vague sort of fnord way.

At least the score was halfway decent... Repetitive, but it worked.

I'm just ticked because, from a writers standpoint, they did a good job of weaving an intricate tale and connecting dots, and I just had high hopes for an ending that followed the same standards. Oh well. Fuck network television...

Yeah I wanted more out of it too. Especially since it was 2 and a half hours long.

Incidentally, I do also care about my fellow human beings. I just don't think that giving people money for doing nothing encourages people to acquire and hold down jobs.

- DeadLucky

I think that this is an inaccurate oversimplification.

At any rate, to respond to the thread in general, I've noticed that there seems to be this sort of you can have more rights and less services or more services and less rights. I think that's a false correlation. I'm no Swede and I've never been to Sweden, but I'm under the impression that they have both a lot of rights and a lot of services. I might be missing something here, but I don't think being taxed is a violation of my rights.

As for how to improve things? Here are some of my suggestions:
-Feel free to blame politicians (as long as its the right politicians), that's fine and they are part of it. But remember that their job is to enact policy, not enforce it. Hold the beauracracy to be more accountable, and make it more efficient. No need to shrink or grow government if the beauracracy is working smoothly. More bang for your buck.
-The people who do vote usually vote for a party, not a candidate. This, I think, is true of independents as well, it's just which party is switchable depending on political climate. So, get rid of primaries. Have a wider selection of candidates and then have each ballot rank them in order of preference (drawback-requires the average person to keep track of multiple candidates and issues). Make elections a holiday so that a greater amount of people get the day off and can go out and vote. Set aside a certain amount of tax money for each candidate to campaign with and that's all they can use. Takes the corporations out, allows someone to run regardless of economic status, and provides equal footing for all candidates.
-Stronger multi-party system. The Democrat-Republican thing isn't enough, and it seems like the average person will pick their party depending on how they feel about abortion, guns, and occasionally the death penalty. People need to see that there is a wider spectrum and its not just a this-or-that sort of thing. I'm not a Democrat but I'll generally vote for one over a Republican if I only have two choices, since they are closer (but not by much) to my politics. Anyway, there are sub-parties in both the Democratic and Republican Parties. Politics shouldn't be dumbed down. If you dumb down shit, people will get used to dumbed down shit and not think about it.

Well.  Kinda. 

Spoiler warning and such:

Basically, Jack shows up at this funeral home where the other Losties have been gathering, and he thinks its the funeral for his Dad as the airline finally located and shipped his father's coffin.  But he is told to enter in the back where he sees the coffin.  He touches the coffin and has flashes of the Island universe.  Opens the coffin, and its empty, and then there is pops, standing, seemingly alive.  That's Jack's dad pretty much tells Jack that they are both dead and so isn't everyone else in the funeral home.  And he also remarks that they aren't in any "now".  It seems clear that at a minimum he was saying that the parallel universe off the island was not real and was simply the souls of the Losties wandering around in some kind of purgatory.  What isn't clear, to me anyway, is if the whole damned thing was purgatory.  That they all pretty much died when the plane crashed in the first episode and were caught in this tropical purgatory. 

If that is the case, it's a pretty cheap way to end it.  Basically saying the whole 6 seasons were never real, but basically one big long trudge towards the light at the end of the tunnel.  But I'm not sure and it was vague in that typical Lost-fashion. 

Oh, and the real kicker was when Jack's father opens the doors to the church and this big white light shines through.  Big cheese factor right there. 

I got the sense that they were trying to merge the two universes- that most of them had died in the first one, but were still alive in the side ways one. Jack saying that he had died had more to do with the closing scene- Sideways Jack realizes that his original self was killed by the smoke monster in Locke form. I think that part of what makes me think that the sideways Losties were trying to restore something is the conversation between sideways Hurley and sideways Ben were talking outside the funeral home, and Ben tells Hurley that he was a great leader. Since is only shown being the leader for a few scenes, he doesn't have anyway to show how he was great. I think that the plane wreckage was not Lapidus'

I did get a kick out of Rose and Bernard in this last season, basically telling the other characters to leave them alone because they don't want to be involved in their drama and crazy adventures. A little bit of self deprecating humor.

Did this place get closed? Please god tell me that this place was closed.  

Per wikipedia:
In April 2010, Mental Disability Rights International (MDRI) filed an urgent appeal with the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture alleging that the school violates the UN Convention against Torture, which the United States has ratified, and should be immediately closed.[8]

Guess the closure is pending.
This is a few miles from where I live. This is the first I've heard of this.

Edit: Wait, Brooklyn? As in NY? The one that I googled brought me to the wiki of a place in Canton, MA. Your link also indicates a place in Massachusetts.