Would someone with administrative powers be kind enough to split off this entire page? Then this thread can get back to what I started it for and the children can fruitlessly speculate about my identity elsewhere. (As if it even matters...)
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Show posts MenuQuote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 21, 2017, 04:47:07 AM
So fuck off to some place where there are reasonable people.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 20, 2017, 05:53:26 AM
Again, against violence here except in self-defense... in the understanding that sneezing on people, shaking hands with them after having diarrhea and not washing your hands, and in severe circumstances feeding them food from bulging cans or doing the thing from The Cask of Amontillado are not violence (though I personally would not do the last two due to fear of legal repercussions)
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on August 19, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
I too vehemently oppose the moloch of racial, ethnic, and cultural purity. I dream of a world where nobody has fewer than three different racial backgrounds; where there is no white of black or asian or jewish or arab or whatever, just people who are mixed, really really mixed
Quote from: Freeky on August 20, 2017, 10:39:26 PMQuoteI'm having a hard time trying to pigeonhole ANTIFA.
That's probably your problem.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 20, 2017, 07:24:55 AM
You are posting on a proxy, and you are not new here.
Quote from: Cramulus on August 20, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
so I guess you're here for the latter part now? that's cool, I can roll with that.
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I appreciate the straightforward chat. I hadn't really thought much about antifa in the context of how Malcolm X slid the Overton Window left.
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My perspective is - I don't think that violence is an effective long run strategy. What I've observed is that violent action is super effective as a recruitment tool for "the other side". It doesn't change minds. If I got punched in the face for my political beliefs, I wouldn't stop believing those things. In fact, I would probably justify them harder. If I continually feared bodily harm, I'd just go underground and get louder.
Punching nazis is forgivable when they are advocating violence & actively recruiting. Punching the peaceful but angry guy standing near the nazi--mainly counterproductive.
On a more emotional level - One of my pet research hobbies is the history of torture. I keep this close to my heart: For thousands of years, we lined up in public squares to cheer as the "bad guys" were subject to horrific ordeals. That was "justice". That desire - to see the bad guy bloodied and dragged through the streets - is one of the scariest things about humanity. Especially when its expressed by a crowd. We all have these brutal impulses, and live in a society that conditions us not to act on them. But when somebody "deserves it", we are chomping at the bit for the opportunity to unleash hell on them. I try to guard myself against this kind of 'pleasurable' violence, and warn others not to feed it.
((The Crowd at the Ball Game))
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Violence was already playing a role in the larger conversation. Not to focus too hard on the rallies, specifically - but there are a lot of people out there who are in fear of bodily harm on the daily. For example, I have trans friends who live in Texas, and they are regularly subjected to hostile harassment on the street and other public places. Using a public rest room is a scary moment for them right now. They have a public facing job and consequently receive lots of transphobic threats. Knowing that if a public incident happened, there would be people willing to fight for them - that's a good thing.
Quote from: tyrannosaurus vex on August 19, 2017, 05:07:26 PMThen again, you know all this and you're just here to hear your keyboard clatter. So, whatever.
QuoteWhen fly a Nazi flag or don a stupid bedsheet like you're doing the world a favor, you are allying yourself not just with the disgusting ideology behind those murders, but the acts themselves.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on August 19, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
Violence [...] is the only useful tool for dealing with Nazis. You can't convince a Nazi of anything, but you can pound on them until all the white supremacy leaks out.