Read "Empty Space....a haunting" by M. John Harrison. Third in a trilogy, along with "Light" and "Nova Swing". Funny, surreal, and ultimately very disturbing. Highly recommended.
Today, for a brief second, I thought of a life without Roger. It was much like my current life, except that this forum was a bit nicer.
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Show posts MenuQuote from: Doktor Howl on January 07, 2018, 04:24:49 AMDo you need a hug?
I motorized a fidget spinner, for efficiency's sake.
I should go back and work on it, so that it lasts longer than I do. And that's all the "eternity" any of you fuckos will ever need...The knowledge that a tiny monument to stupidity will outlive you.
Quote from: Cramulus on January 03, 2018, 02:39:57 PMQuote from: Finn on January 03, 2018, 06:05:49 AMYou should be skeptical. (,can't stand the phrase "astral projection" though. Too occulty for me) Nobody should believe what I've written in that post. You'd have too see for yourself, repeatedly verify it within your own experience to think I'm not delusional. Me, I didn't go looking for it at first It happened on it's own. I began to try to voluntary initiate it happening. Basically by remaining alert and watchful as my body fell asleep. When my body was so relaxed I couldn't even feel it any more I would try initiating movement. If I succeeded at that, the game became to see how much attention I could pay, to amp up my presence. You ask very good questions, like how do I know it's not a trance state. Basically, my own conscious awareness is equal to or greater than my own everyday physical awareness ( as little or as much as that may be) I was as awake just as I am in daily life, the same sense of self, the same ordinary me. Except I'm in a different environment (usually) and... I can fly. It's different from lucid dreaming . With that there's still the feeling of "dream". With this other thing, there is no feeling of dream. You are as awake as much as you are in ordinary life (however much that is for you) It's hard to explain. After decades of this, I became a member of a small group where we would verify the experience. An example: I took a nap. Went to a group members house ( in another state ) Saw and heard her talking to someone she called Suzie. When I got up from my nap, I emailed her and described what I heard and saw. She said her daugher-in-law was visiting her. Suzie. I had no knowledge of her name or that she existed. We all did these kind of verifications. Eventually you go "fuck it, this is boring verifying shit. Let's explore!" So basically my answer is: if that non-physical reality is an illusion, then ( for me) so is this physical reality. Because the sense of realness is equal for me. I'll answer yer other questions later, frustrating though my answers might be. Gotta do some things. Don't believe any of this. I wouldn't respect you if you did. And hey! Maybe I'm completely bullshitting you! You have no way to tell. It's text on a screen.
And I'll be honest, I'm skeptical of astral projection. I don't doubt that you've had experiences, I just am not clear on what they are or what they tell us about the world. Do you think the astral body you project is the same thing as Gurdjieff refers to as the immortal (kesdjan) body? Does astral projection give you knowledge of those that have already died physical deaths, an understanding of that world? How do you know that you're not just in a trance of heightened imagination? How confident are you that your astral-body is will still be around after physical death? and not just yours, but everybody's? In what sense are they still part of the world, given that it doesn't seem like they do anything that we can notice?
thank you for the thoughtful post!
Quote from: Cramulus on January 02, 2018, 02:28:09 PMQuote from: Finn on December 30, 2017, 12:04:53 AMI too feel there is some real alchemical meat there to be digested. It's only abstract when we talk about it . It's nitty-gritty when you feel and see it happening.
Like, there's a whole chapter about the alchemical processes going on inside of us, how consciousness requires a certain kind of food, and this food is created by processing other types of food, such as impressions. And I don't think any of it is true in a material sense. First time I read it, I tossed it. He claims that self-remembering builds up a definite kind of energy inside of you, and this energy fuels certain processes that are otherwise frozen. He explains it all in extremely material terms. And I thought - yeah, all of this could be easily disproven. But you know... talking about presence and awareness as something like a muscle that you develop... Talking about how you need new impressions to have new thoughts, how your being can be hungry, how impressions become behaviors through this quasi-metabolic process... there's some meat there, if understood abstractly.
It comes back to something I've been saying recently - that religions are maybe not best understood as a literal explanation for how the universe works... They should be approached as a network of symbols which correlate to how things in the world (the external and the internal) are arranged. By understanding that there's a relationship between the big macro universe and the personal microcosm, the next step is to embark on a quest (like the quest to find the holy grail) to find patterns which exist