I've said it before and I'll say it again: Donald Trump is the president that America has earned. "He's not the hero we need right now, but the one we deserve." He's the American Dream; a Brawndo-drinking Monopoly Man who wants to bring down the IRL banhammer on the noobs and the trolls. He's a celebrity who rode into Washington on the back of a gold-plated dinosaur, firing AK-47s into the air and shouting about grabbing Mexico by the vaheena. He couldn't get any more American if he continuously shat out nothing but macaroni and cheese.
This is Necessary Disorder in the face of Too Much Order. It's the swing of the pendulum.
America has rarely preferred to Play It Safe, and that's exactly what Clinton's election would have been. The country was getting too complacent, too bored. What, with all this progress and tolerance, if we weren't careful, we'd have wound up turning into Canada!
There is, of course, a very real societal problem that comes with too much progress, and that's a nation of spoiled, entitled children who think it's their God-given right that you recognize them for the special and quirky unique snowflakes that they are. College campuses saturated with students invoking the Right to Not Be Offended. An Internet that replaces discussion with downvotes. Tapas.
Trump's AmericaTM is the kick in the pants we need to appreciate how far we've come. Nothing makes you appreciate something more than the fear that it might be taken away.
Personally, I'm not afraid. Maybe that's because I'm a poor, white, cis male with nothing to lose and enough video games to keep me entertained for the next four years, but I've seen the pendulum swing enough times to know that the system is resistant to radical change, even when the swing is violent and swift. Besides, our New Abusive Stepfather would be insane to completely take away our allowance, unless he wants the nuclear rage of a hormonal, Molotov-wielding teenager on his hands. I doubt that the total-leveling of every major city in the country by riots is something the next administration is particularly interested in being held responsible for.
Well, that, and the Democrats have an entire Fire and Ice anthology they can refer to for a fillibuster.
No, if Clinton had won, it would just be Reruns of the Same, a long and drawn-out melodrama against a Republican-controlled Legislative Branch, fighting tooth and nail just to barely pass an emasculated, poorly implemented, and half-assed Universal Basic Income as a last-ditch effort to fight the automation takeover of the inevitable Singularity. But at the cost of just one more high-budget season of The Apprentice, we get to clean the pipes of the DNC, whip it into shape for taking back the House and the Senate, and Lovable Socialist Grandpa will have had enough time to groom Tulsi Gabbard for the role of someone who actually deserves to be the first female American President.
See you all in 2020. That's probably how long it's going to take me to finally finish Fallout: New Vegas, anyway. And if I'm wrong and the real-world of four years from now looks exactly like the barren landscape of 2277, at least we'll have gone out with a bang... just the way the Founding Fathers intended!
QuoteDonald Trump is the president that America has earned.
More like the president that
white America has earned.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2016, 04:54:28 AM
QuoteDonald Trump is the president that America has earned.
More like the president that white America has earned.
If you think they will be immune to the clusterfuck you have far more confidence in Trump's abilities than I do
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 20, 2016, 05:45:34 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2016, 04:54:28 AM
QuoteDonald Trump is the president that America has earned.
More like the president that white America has earned.
If you think they will be immune to the clusterfuck you have far more confidence in Trump's abilities than I do
Um, that isn't what was said.
Imagine you fucked up bad and they're going to send you to prison. Your neighbor, who had nothing to do with it, made the poor decision to be born Black, so they chuck him in jail with you.
Quote from: Prelate Diogenes Shandor on November 20, 2016, 05:45:34 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 20, 2016, 04:54:28 AM
QuoteDonald Trump is the president that America has earned.
More like the president that white America has earned.
If you think they will be immune to the clusterfuck you have far more confidence in Trump's abilities than I do
Don't worry! The
perceived racism will be neutralized by
actual racism!
Chinagreenelvis, your compassion and empathy ports seem to be jammed.
And it looks like your selfishness restrictors need recalibration.
You might want to make some modifications to your system.
I love how many white people are blaming non-whites for Trump's election.
"They didn't even vote!"
\
:showus:
Yeah, well, I mean, all those restrictive voter ID laws that Republicans have been frantically passing for the last eight years couldn't have had anything to do with reduced voter turnout in this election.
But sure, do go on holding us responsible for the decisions of white Middle America. It's clearly our fault. We EARNED Trump. :roll:
Or just pretend we don't exist, since that's apparently easier.
Quote from: LMNO on November 20, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
Chinagreenelvis, your compassion and empathy ports seem to be jammed.
And it looks like your selfishness restrictors need recalibration.
You might want to make some modifications to your system.
It's hard to exhibit compassion for people who make their decisions based on lies, or to feel empathy towards people who allow themselves to be
lied to.
Selfishness is a survival mechanism when you see two halves of a country doing everything they can do dehumanize the other.
The world will be fine. Or it won't. Sit back and enjoy the chaos. One-sided solutions don't work; unless they involve dropping atomic bombs.
I see you agree with my assesment, if not my recommendation.
Good to know. I will update my priors, and respond accordingly in the future.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 20, 2016, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 20, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
Chinagreenelvis, your compassion and empathy ports seem to be jammed.
And it looks like your selfishness restrictors need recalibration.
You might want to make some modifications to your system.
It's hard to exhibit compassion for people who make their decisions based on lies, or to feel empathy towards people who allow themselves to be lied to.
Selfishness is a survival mechanism when you see two halves of a country doing everything they can do dehumanize the other.
The world will be fine. Or it won't. Sit back and enjoy the chaos. One-sided solutions don't work; unless they involve dropping atomic bombs.
Well, here it is, that subtle difference.
When I was younger, say, before I came to this forum, even for a time afterward, I would have felt the same way, most likely. Revel in the chaos, man, America is getting what it deserves, what it asked for.
This poisition can only be held if those holding it are
safe. Sit back, crack open a beer, and watch the fun. Except the fun isn't so super awesome when people you love are in danger. My GF for example is very ethnically ambiguous. She's a racial Rorschach test. I take that fear and amplify it for those who don't live in a safe haven like PDX, or I imagine what it would be like for rural OR to come all up on here, and SUDDENLY it's not really so much fun anymore.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 20, 2016, 04:43:52 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Donald Trump is the president that America deserves.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 20, 2016, 07:15:00 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 20, 2016, 05:33:09 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 20, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
Chinagreenelvis, your compassion and empathy ports seem to be jammed.
And it looks like your selfishness restrictors need recalibration.
You might want to make some modifications to your system.
It's hard to exhibit compassion for people who make their decisions based on lies, or to feel empathy towards people who allow themselves to be lied to.
Selfishness is a survival mechanism when you see two halves of a country doing everything they can do dehumanize the other.
The world will be fine. Or it won't. Sit back and enjoy the chaos. One-sided solutions don't work; unless they involve dropping atomic bombs.
Well, here it is, that subtle difference.
When I was younger, say, before I came to this forum, even for a time afterward, I would have felt the same way, most likely. Revel in the chaos, man, America is getting what it deserves, what it asked for.
This poisition can only be held if those holding it are safe. Sit back, crack open a beer, and watch the fun. Except the fun isn't so super awesome when people you love are in danger. My GF for example is very ethnically ambiguous. She's a racial Rorschach test. I take that fear and amplify it for those who don't live in a safe haven like PDX, or I imagine what it would be like for rural OR to come all up on here, and SUDDENLY it's not really so much fun anymore.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 20, 2016, 09:17:30 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 20, 2016, 07:15:00 PM
When I was younger, say, before I came to this forum, even for a time afterward, I would have felt the same way, most likely. Revel in the chaos, man, America is getting what it deserves, what it asked for.
This poisition can only be held if those holding it are safe. Sit back, crack open a beer, and watch the fun. Except the fun isn't so super awesome when people you love are in danger. My GF for example is very ethnically ambiguous. She's a racial Rorschach test. I take that fear and amplify it for those who don't live in a safe haven like PDX, or I imagine what it would be like for rural OR to come all up on here, and SUDDENLY it's not really so much fun anymore.
I'll do my best to respond to this since it appears to be an honest attempt at furthering discussion. If it is, I appreciate the quotation.
I understand the fear, but more importantly, I understand the
power of fear. The natural response to fear is to combat the focus, but I think the
appropriate response to fear is to determine whether or not the fear is justified. Where does it come from? On what information is it based?
As LMNO pointed out in the Misinfo thread, the way voters
feel about the facts is a bigger determinant in how they will vote than are the facts themselves. It doesn't
matter whether there is more crime or less crime; if people
feel like crime is up, they will be afraid, and they will act on those feelings.
It's easier to lament "what the world is coming to" than to determine whether or not the world is objectively better or worse than it was before.
In 2015, there were a reported 7,121 victims in single-bias hate crimes (https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released) across the entire United States. In a population of 320,090,857 people (http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2014/12/31/us-population-2015-320-million-and-world-population-72-billion), the chances of being the victim of a hate crime for any single person in the U.S. is 0.002%.
Since obviously being non-white increases those chances, let's look at Muslims, a group whose victimization increased by 67% of that year. With an estimated 3,335,000 (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/06/a-new-estimate-of-the-u-s-muslim-population/) Muslims living in the U.S. in 2015, 21.9 percent of the reported hate crimes were anti-Islamic. According to the numbers already cited, that means that probably about 1,559 Muslims were the victims of those crimes.
This means that in 2015 - the highest year on record (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-hate-crimes-muslims-67-percent-2015-43525153) for anti-Islamic hate crimes since 2001 (and still about half) - the chances of being the victim of a hate-crime for any given Muslim in the U.S. was 0.04%.
In 2015, 38,300 people were killed in traffic accidents (http://www.newsweek.com/2015-brought-biggest-us-traffic-death-increase-50-years-427759), which means your chances of dying in a vehicle crash were 0.01%.
That's a difference of 0.03%. Yes, it means that if you were Muslim, you were four-times as likely to be the victim of anti-Islamic hatred than you were to die in a car accident, but considering how often we drive our cars and how rarely we die in them, it should really put things in perspective about how
afraid anyone should be.
This isn't even taking into account that only 37.4% of those crimes were assault (https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-hate-crime-statistics-available) - which puts those odds for Muslims at
almost exactly the same as
dying in a vehicle accident.
All of this data says at least two things:
- 9/11 made people hate on Muslims way harder than Donald Trump's campaign.
- Cars are still far more likely to kill you than racists.
Quote"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." (http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/) -Franklin D. Roosevelt
Ooh. Swing and a miss. Perhaps a foul tip.
I think the final dot to connect might be what a Trump/GOP administration will do IRL with all this false fear. A high level analysis of sociology isn't gonna help my friends who are really actually going to be affected by the decisions about to be made.
And that makes you incredibly insensitive.
What about the future? 2015 saw a 67% increase (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-hate-crimes-muslims-67-percent-2015-43525153) in reported anti-Islamic hate crimes overall. A hypothetically
Truly Evil Trump Presidency, given
carte blanche to spout total hatred, would have to ramp up attacks by 10,000% in order to give each Muslim even a 1% chance of being assaulted during the course of a year. That's the motivational power of about
5,500 WTC attacks.
This is not to dismiss the fact that stricter immigration policies could have a measurable effect on what are already poor religious and racial relations in the country, but with these stats in mind, it's no wonder that imagining it will
literally be the Fourth Reich is necessary in order to sustain that level of fear.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 12:31:38 AM
I think the final dot to connect might be what a Trump/GOP administration will do IRL with all this false fear.
Which false fear? The false fear of foreign attacks by Islamic extremists on U.S. soil, or the false fear that U.S. citizens will suddenly start getting deported/arrested/murdered
en masse?
There's nothing more comforting to abuse survivors than statistics telling them how safe they are.
You got more of a chance of getting into a car accident than you have of getting gay bashed, so quit being such a little bitch.
/
:mullet:
The number of reported hate crimes is unlikely to be less than or equal to the actual number of hate crimes occurring. Unless someone is seriously injured or killed, there is always the possibility that they will "shrug it off" rather than face further retaliation by seeking relief through law enforcement. Also low-level harassment does not get quantified, and can significantly impact the victims.
In a systemically racist society, you can always be sure law enforcement will keep careful track of all hate crimes.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 21, 2016, 12:51:24 AM
The number of reported hate crimes is unlikely to be less than or equal to the actual number of hate crimes occurring. Unless someone is seriously injured or killed, there is always the possibility that they will "shrug it off" rather than face further retaliation by seeking relief through law enforcement. Also low-level harassment does not get quantified, and can significantly impact the victims.
Even if the margin of error is 100% (a ridiculous allowance), then the odds of being a victim would only rise from 0.01% to 0.02%.
Is my math exact? Of course not. But it still provides a pretty clear illustration of just how rarely actual hate-crimes occur. Population concentrations guarantee that the crimes themselves will tend to occur in geographic clusters, obviously, but when violence happens in New York and you live in L.A., it's still going to
feel like it happened next door to you because of how fast news travels.
And that takes us back to the discussion about the ratio of information to its dissemination.
Low-level harassment is a problem, but it's not something to
fear. When people talk of
fear, they talk about being assaulted, put into concentration camps, or kicked out of the country. "I
fear for my friends of X background" doesn't generally mean "I'm really concerned my friends of X background are going to start getting rude comments in the coffee line at Starbucks." Nobody protests an election to prevent that.
This is America; we all grow up with low-level harassment of some kind. Black kids used to kick my ass for wearing my Dad's army jacket at school during the winter. Did I blame it on them for acting like they had some kind of monopoly on fatigues as a fashion statement? No, I blamed it on poor race relations and resentment that managed to trickle down through the generation gaps. (I'm also lucky enough to have had a dad who instilled in me that it was wrong to retaliate against prejudice with
equal prejudice.)
Does it make me
insensitive to suggest that people try to wrestle away the fear by examining the statistics rather than how the media makes them
feel about those statistics? I don't know; I'm not a psychologist. If it were up to me, I'd nominate
President Big Cuddly Teddy Bear to read us all a
State of the Union Bedtime Story and assure everyone that things are going to be okay.
And things
are going to be okay, but there's probably too much
value in having people think otherwise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowling_for_Columbine#Climate_of_fear).
I'm really scared there's historical precedence that a government such as has been elected will pass legislation that will limit, roll back, limit, and prevent the human and civil rights of much of my friends and family.
In addition, such legislation, and even the debate of such, will continue to set a social context that will treat my friends and family as lesser, and indeed strengthen it.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
I'm really scared there's historical precedence that a government such as has been elected will pass legislation that will limit, roll back, limit, and prevent the human and civil rights of much of my friends and family.
In addition, such legislation, and even the debate of such, will continue to set a social context that will treat my friends and family as lesser, and indeed strengthen it.
If I had these fears, I'd find myself asking the following questions:
Is this a general fear based on the polarized and often hyperbolic rhetoric generated by what have become increasingly ideological news outlets, or is it a specific concern based on actual policy proposals? Is this legislation hypothetical, or does it have some basis?
If the fear is shaped by how I get my news, have I sought out enough news sources that challenge my predispositions?
What is the "historical precedence," and is it truly an appropriate comparison? What are the arguments other people have attempted to form both for and against the comparison?
Answering these kinds of question is not
easy. It can lead to a rabbit hole where it becomes increasingly difficult to figure out what is and what is not true. Giving into the natural state of
fear can actually be much more comfortable; at least then you have
convictions.
It has basis.
Cf: The Twentieth Century.
I mean, c'mon.
Ah, yes, the old "buck up, everybody gets harassed" response. That shit never gets old.
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 21, 2016, 03:51:21 AM
Ah, yes, the old "buck up, everybody gets harassed" response. That shit never gets old.
You'd be surprised at what some people consider "harassment" in the 21st Century.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 03:20:21 AM
It has basis.
Cf: The Twentieth Century.
I mean, c'mon.
Not much of an argument there. Sorry, but if you're trying to convince me of something, you've not. If you've convinced yourself... then my only advice is to go right ahead and be afraid.
be very afraid (http://www.alternet.org/fear-america/fear-dominates-politics-media-and-human-existence-america-and-its-getting-worse)After all, nothing motivates war more than hate, and nothing produces hate more than fear. Perhaps if you're more afraid than
THEY are, you'll win the war!
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 21, 2016, 04:18:47 AM
Quote from: Q. G. Pennyworth on November 21, 2016, 03:51:21 AM
Ah, yes, the old "buck up, everybody gets harassed" response. That shit never gets old.
You'd be surprised at what some people consider "harassment" in the 21st Century.
So I don't know what you think you are saying there but what I am actually hearing is that you are one of those good 'ole boys who harasses whichever group you think it is ok to hassle and then accuses
them of having no sense of humour. Odd position for a guy who claims to be a comedian; I'm pretty sure that there aren't too many people in your audience here who find that approach generates a lot of laughs
even though there is even an emote here for the discordian concept of "horrormirth" :horrormirth: We'll laugh at pretty much anything, except you of course.
Muslim registry
Elimination of Trans* rights
Overturning Obergefell v. Hodges
Massive restrictions on abortion
All not just plausible, all stated intentions.
Please note that I am a non-muslim white male, married to a woman. All the above concerns me even though I won't be personally affected by any of it.
Because it's not about me. And, I'm not an asshole.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 12:35:31 AM
There's nothing more comforting to abuse survivors than statistics telling them how safe they are.
You got more of a chance of getting into a car accident than you have of getting gay bashed, so quit being such a little bitch.
/
:mullet:
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 12:56:58 AM
In a systemically racist society, you can always be sure law enforcement will keep careful track of all hate crimes.
What the fuck do you people have against tapas?
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Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 21, 2016, 02:57:29 PM
What the fuck do you people have against tapas?
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It's food designed to be shared.
Sounds socialist to me.
The small portions are unAmerican.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
I'm really scared there's historical precedence that a government such as has been elected will pass legislation that will limit, roll back, limit, and prevent the human and civil rights of much of my friends and family.
In addition, such legislation, and even the debate of such, will continue to set a social context that will treat my friends and family as lesser, and indeed strengthen it.
Pretty much just this exact thing.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 21, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
I'm really scared there's historical precedence that a government such as has been elected will pass legislation that will limit, roll back, limit, and prevent the human and civil rights of much of my friends and family.
In addition, such legislation, and even the debate of such, will continue to set a social context that will treat my friends and family as lesser, and indeed strengthen it.
Pretty much just this exact thing.
Quote from: Goddess Eris on November 21, 2016, 02:57:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtXYV-7joEE&t=1m04s
Quote from: MMIX on November 21, 2016, 11:15:37 AM
So I don't know what you think you are saying there but what I am actually hearing is that you are one of those good 'ole boys who harasses whichever group you think it is ok to hassle and then accuses them of having no sense of humour.
No. That is not what I think I am saying.
But now that you mention it, isn't that exactly what you guys do (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/board,3.0.html)?
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
Muslim registry
Elimination of Trans* rights
Overturning Obergefell v. Hodges
Massive restrictions on abortion
If you're concerned about these things happening, I would suggest looking up arguments about the likelihood of any of them actually happening. Diversify your information sources. Maybe even examine arguments
for them so you can better know where the people making them are coming from. The only way to fight against something you don't agree with is to
understand it first.
This is how you change
fear into
action.
Anyone who is afraid can either lump Trump and the people who voted for him into one big pile of inhuman garbage and hope that calling them Nazis to their faces will somehow cause them to suddenly agree with your worldview, or step out of the echo chamber and conquer cowardice by realizing that
being afraid is exactly what the
Powers That Be want from
both sides.
Do you want to sit inside a closed room with your friends and hate the world, or do you want to venture outside of your paradigm and
change the way people think?
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 21, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
Muslim registry
Elimination of Trans* rights
Overturning Obergefell v. Hodges
Massive restrictions on abortion
If you're concerned about these things happening, I would suggest looking up arguments about the likelihood of any of them actually happening. Diversify your information sources. Maybe even examine arguments for them so you can better know where the people making them are coming from. The only way to fight against something you don't agree with is to understand it first.
This is how you change fear into action.
Anyone who is afraid can either lump Trump and the people who voted for him into one big pile of inhuman garbage and hope that calling them Nazis to their faces will somehow cause them to suddenly agree with their worldview, or they step out of the echo chamber and conquer their cowardice.
Do you want to sit inside a closed room with your friends and hate the world, or do you want to venture outside of your paradigm and change the way people think?
Yeah, LMNO, don't be so
stupid.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 09:25:58 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 21, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
Muslim registry
Elimination of Trans* rights
Overturning Obergefell v. Hodges
Massive restrictions on abortion
If you're concerned about these things happening, I would suggest looking up arguments about the likelihood of any of them actually happening. Diversify your information sources. Maybe even examine arguments for them so you can better know where the people making them are coming from. The only way to fight against something you don't agree with is to understand it first.
This is how you change fear into action.
Anyone who is afraid can either lump Trump and the people who voted for him into one big pile of inhuman garbage and hope that calling them Nazis to their faces will somehow cause them to suddenly agree with their worldview, or they step out of the echo chamber and conquer their cowardice.
Do you want to sit inside a closed room with your friends and hate the world, or do you want to venture outside of your paradigm and change the way people think?
Yeah, LMNO, don't be so stupid.
(http://i.imgur.com/Bk7ZQVb.jpg)
I think it's admirable that you kids still want to participate, but I think I prefer having you in Time Out.
:lol:
Awww. Is this whole Ron Paul sockpuppet butthurt ALLL because I did this very thing, posting a screenshot of him being on ignore?
That is the best thing I could possibly have hoped for. You're welcome for all the fun everybody.
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
:lol:
Awww. Is this whole Ron Paul sockpuppet butthurt ALLL because I did this very thing, posting a screenshot of him being on ignore?
That is the best thing I could possibly have hoped for. You're welcome for all the fun everybody.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 21, 2016, 09:57:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Bk7ZQVb.jpg)
I think it's admirable that you kids still want to participate, but I think I prefer having you in Time Out.
LOL, piss off, RP.
Can't really hide the PD-isms in your tone
PATRIOT act provisions
Rescinding executive orders
Hard right constitutionalist for 1, if not 2, Supreme Court picks
Budgetary discretionary measures; "states rights"
It amuses me you assume I don't know of which I speak.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
:lol:
Awww. Is this whole Ron Paul sockpuppet butthurt ALLL because I did this very thing, posting a screenshot of him being on ignore?
That is the best thing I could possibly have hoped for. You're welcome for all the fun everybody.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
PATRIOT act provisions
Rescinding executive orders
Hard right constitutionalist for 1, if not 2, Supreme Court picks
Budgetary discretionary measures; "states rights"
Are you
afraid of these things, or are you
prepared to deal with them? Do you fully understand them? Do you understand the arguments that people make for and against them? Is there anything you can even
do about them?
Quote
It amuses me you assume I don't know of which I speak.
You're assuming that I'm assuming anything at all. You said it yourself: this isn't about
you. I told you that
if I had your concerns and your fears that those were the kinds of questions I'd ask myself.
But now that you mention it, I have no reason to think you know anything at all. Or that anyone here does. Including myself.
I know one thing: ideologues dislike epistemic dilemmas.
Quote from: Don Coyote on November 22, 2016, 01:33:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
:lol:
Awww. Is this whole Ron Paul sockpuppet butthurt ALLL because I did this very thing, posting a screenshot of him being on ignore?
That is the best thing I could possibly have hoped for. You're welcome for all the fun everybody.
Lay off the conspiritard juice, kids. You're embarrassing yourselves.
Also: is "butthurt" the only word these children know? You're culture-jamming your own forum. Welcome to the ignore list.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 01:50:30 AM
Quote from: Don Coyote on November 22, 2016, 01:33:08 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 21, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
Quote from: Vivat Alty on November 21, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
:lol:
Awww. Is this whole Ron Paul sockpuppet butthurt ALLL because I did this very thing, posting a screenshot of him being on ignore?
That is the best thing I could possibly have hoped for. You're welcome for all the fun everybody.
Lay off the conspiritard juice, kids. You're embarrassing yourselves.
Also: is "butthurt" the only word these children know? You're culture-jamming your own forum. Welcome to the ignore list.
Have you heard of eco-fascism before?
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 01:53:52 AM
Have you heard of eco-fascism before?
I honestly can't say that I have. What's up?
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 01:56:07 AM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 01:53:52 AM
Have you heard of eco-fascism before?
I honestly can't say that I have. What's up?
It's a promising movement. Fascism is the only way to ensure people will respect the environment and take action on climate change
I don't believe that this is RPspag. I don't have certain proof, but I REALLY can't say that I get the same vibe overall from posting style and other signs. That's not to say they're dissimilar overall, but...
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
I don't believe that this is RPspag. I don't have certain proof, but I REALLY can't say that I get the same vibe overall from posting style and other signs. That's not to say they're dissimilar overall, but...
IPs don't match, but one of the two IPs appears to be one of the big centers for cell phones.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 01:41:31 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
PATRIOT act provisions
Rescinding executive orders
Hard right constitutionalist for 1, if not 2, Supreme Court picks
Budgetary discretionary measures; "states rights"
Are you afraid of these things, or are you prepared to deal with them? Do you fully understand them? Do you understand the arguments that people make for and against them? Is there anything you can even do about them?
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It amuses me you assume I don't know of which I speak.
You're assuming that I'm assuming anything at all. You said it yourself: this isn't about you. I told you that if I had your concerns and your fears that those were the kinds of questions I'd ask myself.
But now that you mention it, I have no reason to think you know anything at all. Or that anyone here does. Including myself.
I know one thing: ideologues dislike epistemic dilemmas.
Have you ever wondered why you never get invited to parties?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
I don't believe that this is RPspag. I don't have certain proof, but I REALLY can't say that I get the same vibe overall from posting style and other signs. That's not to say they're dissimilar overall, but...
It wouldn't be the first time I've unintentionally disrupted things in an online community with a dramatic entrance only to be accused of being someone else who came before me. You guys want to talk about ticking off Bingo boxes? If I was playing the "predictability game" with this place, I'd have won that Cuisinart five times over by now.
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 01:58:14 AM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 01:56:07 AM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 01:53:52 AM
Have you heard of eco-fascism before?
I honestly can't say that I have. What's up?
It's a promising movement. Fascism is the only way to ensure people will respect the environment and take action on climate change
Heh. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism) Promoting
that would be a great campaign. Has anyone made fliers?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2016, 02:08:43 AM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 01:41:31 AM
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
PATRIOT act provisions
Rescinding executive orders
Hard right constitutionalist for 1, if not 2, Supreme Court picks
Budgetary discretionary measures; "states rights"
Are you afraid of these things, or are you prepared to deal with them? Do you fully understand them? Do you understand the arguments that people make for and against them? Is there anything you can even do about them?
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It amuses me you assume I don't know of which I speak.
You're assuming that I'm assuming anything at all. You said it yourself: this isn't about you. I told you that if I had your concerns and your fears that those were the kinds of questions I'd ask myself.
But now that you mention it, I have no reason to think you know anything at all. Or that anyone here does. Including myself.
I know one thing: ideologues dislike epistemic dilemmas.
Have you ever wondered why you never get invited to parties?
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
I don't believe that this is RPspag. I don't have certain proof, but I REALLY can't say that I get the same vibe overall from posting style and other signs. That's not to say they're dissimilar overall, but...
Yeah, close enough for government wok.
Do you think the word disinformation was too much of a giveaway of RP's agenda?
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 03:27:14 AM
Do you think the word disinformation was too much of a giveaway of RP's agenda?
I don't know?
I'm sold on the ecofascism campaign, though. Let's make it happen. Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 03:33:50 AM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 03:27:14 AM
Do you think the word disinformation was too much of a giveaway of RP's agenda?
I don't know?
I'm sold on the ecofascism campaign, though. Let's make it happen. Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
Now it doesn't matter if you're actually RP or not.
It was that or leave his post unedited and discredit RP which should have been the move
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 03:25:54 AM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 02:06:11 AM
I don't believe that this is RPspag. I don't have certain proof, but I REALLY can't say that I get the same vibe overall from posting style and other signs. That's not to say they're dissimilar overall, but...
Yeah, close enough for government wok.
Yeah... there's still the very serious question of where the "noob" got a link to the OM section.
Whoever it is is just here to take a shit all over the board. That much is indisputable.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 03:47:17 AM
Yeah... there's still the very serious question of where the "noob" got a link to the OM section.
I
explored the board? Like I was bitched at for supposedly not doing in the first place?
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Whoever it is is just here to take a shit all over the board. That much is indisputable.
That's funny, I thought it was
you guys who were here to
take a shit all over my posts.
Can't we all learn to not get along?
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 22, 2016, 03:38:23 AM
It was that or leave his post unedited and discredit RP which should have been the move
I'm not really sure what you mean. I wasn't sure "disinformation" was the correct word to describe what would essentially be a joke, so I removed it. I'm constantly re-reading and re-editing my posts; I should use the "preview" button more often.
It's culture-jamming, essentially, but it's pretending to promote something you're actually against while making it look ridiculous. I guess it would only be disinformative if you expected people to take it seriously, but it would be so unthinkable that anyone
could take it seriously that when someone actually
does, it's
even more hilarious.
"Sign up to be an Ecofascist TODAY! Because they can't destroy the earth if we leave it
scorched!"
This is SubGenius-level stuff, guys. Why isn't it happening?
It never fails to amuse when some kid shows up and is all "WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING IRL?"
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Like they never heard of KYFMS.
Nothing at this point will convince me that CGE isnt RP.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2016, 04:19:58 PM
Nothing at this point will convince me that CGE isnt RP.
Mmmm... yup. "Feels" different could just mean RP can roleplay pretty well or has actual alts running on his intentionally demon-haunted meat.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
It never fails to amuse when some kid shows up and is all "WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING IRL?"
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Like they never heard of KYFMS.
Doesn't matter; they're functionally the same thing either way.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 03:33:50 AM
Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
It could be that I have my chronology confused, but wasn't your first post here titled "Protesters are assholes"? That seems oddly similar to "crying about the people crying about the election," but I guess the good news is that ecofascism is there to provide an alternate approach to saving humanity from themselves, eh?
Quote from: Ziegejunge on November 22, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 03:33:50 AM
Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
It could be that I have my chronology confused, but wasn't your first post here titled "Protesters are assholes"? That seems oddly similar to "crying about the people crying about the election," but I guess the good news is that ecofascism is there to provide an alternate approach to saving humanity from themselves, eh?
Yes, because limiting the propagation of ideas in a crisis is beneficial.
Quote from: Ziegejunge on November 22, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 03:33:50 AM
Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
It could be that I have my chronology confused, but wasn't your first post here titled "Protesters are assholes"? That seems oddly similar to "crying about the people crying about the election," but I guess the good news is that ecofascism is there to provide an alternate approach to saving humanity from themselves, eh?
Crying is pretty much the only thing he's done. :lol: That and accusing people of being paralyzed by fear.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
It never fails to amuse when some kid shows up and is all "WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING IRL?"
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Like they never heard of KYFMS.
I'm not sure he is a kid. That it's a "he" and not a "she," or possibly a "they," is indisputable, but he reminds me a lot of the monkey's dad. Self-centered, a lack of empathy (and proud of it), utterly convinced that he is not in the wrong, quick to loudly ignore and villify anyone who finds their repulsive ideas stupid and laughable. These traits cross all demographics, of course, but they're more common among the older generations, I've noticed.
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
Also also, all this and then he claims he was lying when he wasn't here for friends, and the apology for his heel-digging came so late, it'll be amazing if he stays long enough to live it down.
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
It's a variation of appeal to authority, using experience/time as the metric.
Kind of like how most subcultures have older people shit on initiates because they're Old skool and these kids just didn't see the scene at it's height.
Makes sense.
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 22, 2016, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
It's a variation of appeal to authority, using experience/time as the metric.
Kind of like how most subcultures have older people shit on initiates because they're Old skool and these kids just didn't see the scene at it's height.
The Geezer Fallacy
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 06:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
It never fails to amuse when some kid shows up and is all "WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING IRL?"
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Like they never heard of KYFMS.
I'm not sure he is a kid. That it's a "he" and not a "she," or possibly a "they," is indisputable, but he reminds me a lot of the monkey's dad. Self-centered, a lack of empathy (and proud of it), utterly convinced that he is not in the wrong, quick to loudly ignore and villify anyone who finds their repulsive ideas stupid and laughable. These traits cross all demographics, of course, but they're more common among the older generations, I've noticed.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he is some uneducated sheltered 30-something still stuck in the mentality of his early 20's. He clearly is under the impression that he's the only thinking person in a world of sheep, just like every other sheltered uneducated armchair political analyst.
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
I know a ton of people who discovered in in high school or shortly thereafter.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 06:49:02 PM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 03:49:10 PM
It never fails to amuse when some kid shows up and is all "WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE DO SOMETHING IRL?"
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Like they never heard of KYFMS.
I'm not sure he is a kid. That it's a "he" and not a "she," or possibly a "they," is indisputable, but he reminds me a lot of the monkey's dad. Self-centered, a lack of empathy (and proud of it), utterly convinced that he is not in the wrong, quick to loudly ignore and villify anyone who finds their repulsive ideas stupid and laughable. These traits cross all demographics, of course, but they're more common among the older generations, I've noticed.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if he is some uneducated sheltered 30-something still stuck in the mentality of his early 20's. He clearly is under the impression that he's the only thinking person in a world of sheep, just like every other sheltered uneducated armchair political analyst.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 22, 2016, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
It's a variation of appeal to authority, using experience/time as the metric.
Kind of like how most subcultures have older people shit on initiates because they're Old skool and these kids just didn't see the scene at it's height.
The Geezer Fallacy
#peestaineddentures
Quote from: Don Coyote on November 22, 2016, 08:58:14 PM
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Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
It's a variation of appeal to authority, using experience/time as the metric.
Kind of like how most subcultures have older people shit on initiates because they're Old skool and these kids just didn't see the scene at it's height.
The Geezer Fallacy
#peestaineddentures
This.
Quote from: LMNO on November 21, 2016, 02:33:14 AM
I'm really scared there's historical precedence that a government such as has been elected will pass legislation that will limit, roll back, limit, and prevent the human and civil rights of much of my friends and family.
I know right? Who the hell does Trump think he is, Obama?
>Im passed out for three days having fucked up fever dreams and meanwhile everyone is still butthurt about me
Trolling on auto-pilot. :lulz:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2016, 04:19:58 PM
Nothing at this point will convince me that CGE isnt RP.
Mmmm... yup. "Feels" different could just mean RP can roleplay pretty well or has actual alts running on his intentionally demon-haunted meat.
You know you guys can actually visit my personal website by clicking the link in my signature, right? Or do a simple Google search for my username?
I didn't magically invent, what, thirteen years of an open-book Internet presence in order to fool a bunch of kids on a message board that I wasn't some random libertarian. And I certainly didn't create some random libertarian in order to... do what, exactly?
Fuck it. It's funnier if you think I'm actually someone else.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 22, 2016, 09:29:47 PM
>Im passed out for three days having fucked up fever dreams and meanwhile everyone is still butthurt about me
Trolling on auto-pilot. :lulz:
Shhhhh we're busy poking at Eric.
Quote from: Ziegejunge on November 22, 2016, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 03:33:50 AM
Beats sitting around here and crying about the election and crying about the people crying about the election.
It could be that I have my chronology confused, but wasn't your first post here titled "Protesters are assholes"? That seems oddly similar to "crying about the people crying about the election," but I guess the good news is that ecofascism is there to provide an alternate approach to saving humanity from themselves, eh?
Yes, I was referring to myself as well as the rest of you. That was the joke. Also part of my original point: we're
all assholes, and the sooner we admit that, the sooner we can start cooperating.
I'm not sure what you're on about this ecofasism thing, still. Is it something you want to target or something you're accusing me of supporting?
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
Not that I need to defend my quasi-religious and philosophical beliefs, but if you took a look at my profile, you'd see that I'm 35. I found the original PD and the Illuminatus! trilogy in 2005, when I was 23/24.
Bring on the jokes about how I'm acting like a teenager. Because the rest of you are so terribly
mature.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 10:22:57 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
Not that I need to defend my quasi-religious and philosophical beliefs, but if you took a look at my profile, you'd see that I'm 35. I found the original PD and the Illuminatus! trilogy in 2005, when I was 23/24.
Bring on the jokes about how I'm acting like a teenager. Because the rest of you are so terribly mature.
:butthurt:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 22, 2016, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 22, 2016, 07:45:34 PM
Quote from: Freeky on November 22, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
That too. Is there a name for that? I feel like that's an appeal to something or other, saying "I've been x for y, therefore I know more than you!"
It's a variation of appeal to authority, using experience/time as the metric.
Kind of like how most subcultures have older people shit on initiates because they're Old skool and these kids just didn't see the scene at it's height.
The Geezer Fallacy
I never once suggested that the
number of years I've been a Discordian had any bearing on whether or not I think the rest of you are doing justice to Thornley and Hill's legacy. I pointed out
how long I've been a Discordian because one of you jerkasses thought it would get you
cool points to call me a
n00b.
You guys sure love putting words in other people's mouths. I hope you at least have the courtesy to wash them off first.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2016, 10:24:39 PM
hey guys I found this cool new internet slang called butthurt if you use it a lot people like you
chinagreenelvis makes a good point
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
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Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
I am a convicted sex offender.
Really?
Yes, I forcibly penetrated your forum. And your hearts.
Go ahead and misquote me again.
:holyman:
Fix'd
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 11:03:12 PM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 22, 2016, 10:35:42 PM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 22, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
I am a convicted sex offender.
Really?
Yes, I forcibly penetrated your forum. And your hearts.
Go ahead and misquote me again.
:butthurt:
No, not really. You and Freeky want to play games changing each others' text, knock yourself out.
Do it to me again, and I'll take a personal interest.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Do it to me again, and I'll take a personal interest.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/11/2a/0f/112a0f1ff6cba0d94ec55434028053a3.jpg)
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 12:36:43 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:18:09 AM
Do it to me again, and I'll take a personal interest.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/11/2a/0f/112a0f1ff6cba0d94ec55434028053a3.jpg)
I don't rule anyone. I am establishing a boundary. You can choose to accept that boundary or not, and things will proceed from there.
And changing my text isn't "criticizing."
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries
enforced, then this is false.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
Cool time to point out that I have no right have my threads split even against derailments.
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
There's another guy I know who thinks his own personal boundaries are something he's justified to enforce by invoking his executive powers...
(http://www.securitylab.ru/upload/iblock/3b5/3b588f461503830b09bd9d5e5440779b.jpg)
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Because he's not the only mod.
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:54:34 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Because he's not the only mod.
Relatively though. Just because a cop isnt the only cop you wouldnt deny that, from the standpoint of a civilian, he is in charge.
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:54:34 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
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Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Because he's not the only mod.
(https://img.neoseeker.com/ca/watchmen_conceptart_DrfDt.png)
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:01:36 AM
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Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Because he's not the only mod.
Relatively though. Just because a cop isnt the only cop you wouldnt deny that, from the standpoint of a civilian, he is in charge.
If the mods were anything like as monolithic as a police department I might concede the point but they are not.
So its only power/authority when you are the sole owner of it or all other owners are part of some hierarchy? This is word games.
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 05:09:25 AM
If the mods were anything like as monolithic as a police department I might concede the point but they are not.
Semantic debates hardly change the meaning of the quote. If he's willing to use his administrative powers to draw an arbitrary line - all the while fostering an environment of intolerable shits - then he's no better than a
Nazi. How's that for Godwin's Law?
I think it's obvious by now that all the trash that gets talked in this forum, all the name-calling, the accusations of "butthurt", the little gifs of crying politicians, the constant personal insults and criticisms, the intellectual dishonesty, it's all a big show of overcompensation by very small and sensitive people who need a little corner of the Internet carved out for themselves as a
safe space to be
complete dicks to anyone who wants to get inside the
treehouse.
That isn't to say that everyone here is a tiny, insecure troll, but certainly many of the frequently active members are.
Kind of makes you wonder why I'm even still posting, doesn't it? It's been pretty disappointing so far; no wonder the place is
mostly dead. I'll probably get bored and move on, satisfied that this place is doing exactly what a
good Discordian board would do
by giving itself a bad name.
Or who knows? Maybe I'll stick around and watch this place eat itself alive. Let me know if there's anything I can do to
help.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 05:34:26 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 05:09:25 AM
If the mods were anything like as monolithic as a police department I might concede the point but they are not.
Semantic debates hardly change the meaning of the quote. If he's willing to use his administrative powers to draw an arbitrary line - all the while fostering an environment of intolerable shits - then he's no better than a Nazi. How's that for Godwin's Law?
I think it's obvious by now that all the trash that gets talked in this forum, all the name-calling, the accusations of "butthurt", the little gifs of crying politicians, the constant personal insults and criticisms, the intellectual dishonesty, it's all a big show of overcompensation by very small and sensitive people who need a little corner of the Internet carved out for themselves as a safe space to be complete dicks to anyone who wants to get inside the treehouse.
That isn't to say that everyone here is a tiny, insecure troll, but certainly many of the frequently active members are.
Kind of makes you wonder why I'm even still posting, doesn't it? It's been pretty disappointing so far; no wonder the place is mostly dead. I'll probably get bored and move on, satisfied that this place is doing exactly what a good Discordian board would do by giving itself a bad name.
Or who knows? Maybe I'll stick around and watch this place eat itself alive. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
Or maybe you are a tiny insecure troll, and this is exactly the sort of place you were hoping to find...
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 05:36:40 AM
Or maybe you are a tiny insecure troll, and this is exactly the sort of place you were hoping to find...
:ahhh:
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:01:36 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:54:34 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Because he's not the only mod.
Relatively though. Just because a cop isnt the only cop you wouldnt deny that, from the standpoint of a civilian, he is in charge.
I'd say he's more like a mall cop.
You don't
have to come here.
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
I know a ton of people who discovered in in high school or shortly thereafter.
I was about 15-ish for Illuminatus, PD shortly thereafter. Ability to think around 20 years after that. Maybe.
In the spirit of ongoing thread splits, can this subject get split too? It's more interesting than the actual thread and I can't remember the last "how did you find it?" thread.
Quote from: Xaz on November 23, 2016, 07:47:28 AM
I'd say he's more like a mall cop.
You don't have to come here.
It doesnt change the point. Why do you all have this strange aversion to admitting he has some kind of authority? This is literally the only place Ive ever gone where people wont just admit that a mod has some kind of power. Especially in the context of threatening someone if they dont stop doing something, kind of textbook moderator behavior.
Stop walking into obvious logic traps by arguing the point with him guys:
RP, yes he is in a position of authority. No you are not a second class citizen because you can't get your thread spit:
Roger is actively arguing with you so it wouldn't be clean for him to split your threads.
I will do it if you REALLY want me to, but I don't want to take an active role in moderating the forum, otherwise you could wait for Cain to get his internet back. Actually LMNO can do it too.
Is it a pendulum or the sword of damocles
Quote from: Junkenstein on November 23, 2016, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 22, 2016, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 22, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
Also claims to be a Discordian for a decade. I'm not sure where I'd put the average age when someone finds out about Discordia, but I'd lay a bet (I should stake one in Junk's thread) it's over 18, if not mid-20's.
I know a ton of people who discovered in in high school or shortly thereafter.
I was about 15-ish for Illuminatus, PD shortly thereafter. Ability to think around 20 years after that. Maybe.
In the spirit of ongoing thread splits, can this subject get split too? It's more interesting than the actual thread and I can't remember the last "how did you find it?" thread.
This isnt your thread.
Quote from: Faust on November 23, 2016, 02:35:38 PM
Stop walking into obvious logic traps by arguing the point with him guys:
RP, yes he is in a position of authority. No you are not a second class citizen because you can't get your thread spit:
Roger is actively arguing with you so it wouldn't be clean for him to split your threads.
I will do it if you REALLY want me to, but I don't want to take an active role in moderating the forum, otherwise you could wait for Cain to get his internet back. Actually LMNO can do it too.
PMed LMNO he refuses to. I dont really see any point in saving those threads anyways. Whats the point of seriously discussing with people who have no interest in other viewpoints? Those threads were made in immediate aftermath of Trumps victory when it seemed like the left was actually ready to do some soul searching. Now its clear that SMART PEOPLE
tm feel no need for serious reflection in face of absolute failure. Just look at what is passing for a "discussion" with these people right now.
"How do we call middle America racist,
politely?"
"Surely if we riot more it will win voters"
"Lets just stick our heads in the sand and wait for them all to die"
"We should insult people who voted trump"
"They voted for trump because they hate our freedoms"
These people will go to their graves convinced they made no mistakes, through a 2018 loss to a 2020 loss and maybe onward. Because they have no interest in winning, they never did. Theyre LARPers. They "correct" people making badwrong jokes IRL. They go see the new Ghostbusters movie. And they screech about Trump being a Nazi as if their whining has some magic power to stop him. And theyre never going to give it up. Because LARPing is easier than winning. Why take the time and effort to win people to your side when you can just explain how theyre all Nazis and just automatically win the moral purity LARP? Theyre the special heroes of an epic story and their victory is Destiny. No matter how well the Villain fights or how many times the Heroes fuck up, again, and again, and again, the Heroes win. Because theyre the GOOD GUYS
tmWhich is why Im going to stick around here for a long time. Because even if there isnt any actual reasoning with these people, there is going to be a lot of fun watching people on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY realize theyre on the LOSING SIDE OF HISTORY.
:pokewithstick:
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
I'm certain his chosen demons vehemently disagree. Reason has left his building.
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
When pressing the button means winning crack to smoke, yes probably
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
The hope for a glorious Aryan Nation future. :lol:
Quote from: Mesozoic Mister Nigel on November 23, 2016, 04:57:03 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
The hope for a glorious Aryan Nation future. :lol:
Wrought
for them by means of their profoundly misguided "worship" of what may be in fact the baddest and certainly the DARKEST OF AFRICAN PRIMORDIAL ENTITIES complete with inaccurate syncromystic "cuck" puns and a stolen Pepememe to ritually abuse for power or whatever.
There's so many things that they got WRONG, and thus are funny , but that they don't seem to see how the joke is on them is just PRICELESS.
Watch the Potenticas turn that shit around on them... When the time is ripe. There's SO much more to the mysteries than just The Darkness after all. :)
:drama1:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
Didn't see ANYTHING about you personally winning anything there. Whatever RP.
Enjoy your cakewalks.
I'll just enjoy the show.
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
I don't plan to use the admin button to enforce those boundaries.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 05:57:55 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
Didn't see ANYTHING about you personally winning anything there. Whatever RP.
Enjoy your cakewalks.
I'll just enjoy the show.
Wait so by your definition for something to be a win I have to like, be handed a check or something? I know you all wouldnt buy the proof of concept thing because youre all playing with this weird delusion that you lost because youre better than everyone, but how is the TPP being dead not a win?
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Except that I'm not. ECH is.
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
:pokewithstick:
This explains my reasoning for my refusal as well.
I don't dance for fascists.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
That wasn't the question. What did
you win?
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:49:06 AM
Quote from: Pergamos on November 23, 2016, 04:19:22 AM
Quote from: chinagreenelvis on November 23, 2016, 04:11:59 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I don't rule anyone.
Unless the rest of us are able to "establish boundaries" and have those boundaries enforced, then this is false.
He's going to enforce his own boundary. You are responsible for enforcing yours. He has more powers than you do, certainly, but those don't make him a ruler.
Why do you guys play these stupid word games about whos in charge. "Ruler" is a pretty pretentious label for a forum moderator but its safe to say that hes in charge.
Except that I'm not. ECH is.
He is the best Tyrant. Such a great Tyrant! He runs his business perfectly. He runs his board perfectly. You never see him work. Shit just gets done and it's amazing!
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
That wasn't the question. What did you win?
He's not interested. In answering like he did he told me enough. He's a sucker in bloom.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
:pokewithstick:
This explains my reasoning for my refusal as well.
I don't dance for fascists.
LOL. Again and again you all default to this. You wont get invovled(EXCEPT WHEN YOU DO AND GET CURB STOMPED) because youre better than me! You want to know the real awful truth? The reason you all make half hearted attempts at discrediting my points(Like Nigel when she unblocked me apparently just to demonstrate she doesnt know how the Electoral College works and then went back to polishing her numrous degrees, or LMNO when he wrote something up in reply to my How Trump Happened thread and then when he found out he was wrong decided "This was more me collecting my own thoughts than responding to yours" which is why it was a point for point of my own post) then when I actually bite back declare youre too good to talk to me while at the same time insulting me?
Its because youre afraid. Not of me. Youre afraid of what you might find out about yourself. In your nice cozy PreTrump(PostTrump too it seems) bubble where Trump couldnt happen and all the old racist white folks just quietly die you dont have to question anything, because you know everything. In the old political game when something happens you can tell what each "side" is going to say before they say it. Like a sitcom thats been on for too long. You keep watching even though you can predict all the beats BECAUSE you can predict all the beats. Its comfortable. So while youve been play acting being liberal or conservative or whatever youve never once had to actually think about what you believe. Never had to improv. Never had to go off script.
And if you had to go off script. If you didnt have your comfortable categories for how to think, you arent sure if you could. Just look at how you all reacted to Trump, actually go back to the threads and look. Like sharks that had been hit for the first time. Then, after an adjustment period, right back on script. You all arent too good to be contaminated by my Nazi-cooties, the fact that my posts still get replies is proof of that.
If this was a real level playing field, no histrionic loudly declared blocks, no passive aggressive high school bullshit, no insults, no appeals to your own identity or against mine, you would not want to be there because you have zero confidence in your ability to win. Which is why the entire left will continue to whine about "fake news" and for more censorship and banning and none of it will make any different. You say you wont dance for fascists, but the future is ours and someday you wont have a choice.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 05:46:55 PM
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 04:26:43 PM
Quote from: MithridatesXXIII on November 23, 2016, 03:07:55 PM
I told you before and I'll say it again RP. This "victory" is an expression of inherent human weakness. For you to celebrate it is stupidity.
So winning is weakness now?
What did you personally "win" exactly? In real terms if you can please.
Well for starters: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38059623
In less immediate terms this victory is a proof of concept. People with no advertising, no popular media support managed to influence a major election. We trolled a major political contendor into denouncing a cartoon frog. Our organizational structure vindicated. Despite numerous, increasingly severe twitter crackdowns we are undettered. Case in point Ricky Vaughn, a man with no PR department professional platform or budget managed to make it in MIT Medialab's list of the top election influencers: https://medium.com/mit-media-lab/who-s-influencing-election-2016-8bed68ddecc3#.50777ejtp
We went up against both the Republican and Democrat media machines and came out on top. And now that no one seems to have learned anything at all I expect 2018 and 2020 to be cakewalks.
That wasn't the question. What did you win?
Could you all clarify? What would fit your definition of winning? Because as a member of the working class "Nafta on steroids" being dead is kind of a win.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
:pokewithstick:
This explains my reasoning for my refusal as well.
I don't dance for fascists.
LOL. Again and again you all default to this. You wont get invovled(EXCEPT WHEN YOU DO AND GET CURB STOMPED) because youre better than me! You want to know the real awful truth? The reason you all make half hearted attempts at discrediting my points(Like Nigel when she unblocked me apparently just to demonstrate she doesnt know how the Electoral College works and then went back to polishing her numrous degrees, or LMNO when he wrote something up in reply to my How Trump Happened thread and then when he found out he was wrong decided "This was more me collecting my own thoughts than responding to yours" which is why it was a point for point of my own post) then when I actually bite back declare youre too good to talk to me while at the same time insulting me?
Its because youre afraid. Not of me. Youre afraid of what you might find out about yourself. In your nice cozy PreTrump(PostTrump too it seems) bubble where Trump couldnt happen and all the old racist white folks just quietly die you dont have to question anything, because you know everything. In the old political game when something happens you can tell what each "side" is going to say before they say it. Like a sitcom thats been on for too long. You keep watching even though you can predict all the beats BECAUSE you can predict all the beats. Its comfortable. So while youve been play acting being liberal or conservative or whatever youve never once had to actually think about what you believe. Never had to improv. Never had to go off script.
And if you had to go off script. If you didnt have your comfortable categories for how to think, you arent sure if you could. Just look at how you all reacted to Trump, actually go back to the threads and look. Like sharks that had been hit for the first time. Then, after an adjustment period, right back on script. You all arent too good to be contaminated by my Nazi-cooties, the fact that my posts still get replies is proof of that.
If this was a real level playing field, no histrionic loudly declared blocks, no passive aggressive high school bullshit, no insults, no appeals to your own identity or against mine, you would not want to be there because you have zero confidence in your ability to win. Which is why the entire left will continue to whine about "fake news" and for more censorship and banning and none of it will make any different. You say you wont dance for fascists, but the future is ours and someday you wont have a choice.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Guess you know what's what. If this shit was all so amazing why be a creeper for years and never mention it until just before the election?
You never were serious about having A Good Time. You just decided to spy and do your best to seem benign. Truth is that you did a fine job right up until I shook you enough for your mask to slip. :golfclap:
You came here in an RP costume as an adversary and have yet to step out of that roll. I know this because you're STILL abstracting yourself as a "winner" and all others as you enemy "liberal loser" image. You're lost, in all senses blinded.
Having told you this many times in various ways, know that I don't intend to continue. No point. I absolutely WILL keep calling you out for your misguided "demon" worship though. That's just how I Saturday Night!
:deadthread:
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Guess you know what's what. If this shit was all so amazing why be a creeper for years and never mention it until just before the election?
You never were serious about having A Good Time. You just decided to spy and do your best to seem benign. Truth is that you did a fine job right up until I shook you enough for your mask to slip. :golfclap:
What mask do you keep talking about. I was completely upfront about being alt-right the day that I came back. My account wasnt some longcon troll if thats what youre thinking. Im not sure if the alt-right even existed when I joined. I came back before the election once I realized that Trump was going to win and it would cause butthurt and be glorious.
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You came here in an RP costume as an adversary and have yet to step out of that roll. I know this because you're STILL abstracting yourself as a "winner" and all others as you enemy "liberal loser" image. You're lost, in all senses blinded.
Having told you this many times in various ways, know that I don't intend to continue. No point. I absolutely WILL keep calling you out for your misguided "demon" worship though. That's just how I Saturday Night!
But you see, when the values you hold dear are dying, you are a loser. You guys have this weird super specific definition of those terms that you wont tell me so were just going to have to agree to disagree on that.
Hey, Ron's Back! Woopee!
We done can be saved!!!
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 06:54:20 PM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
:pokewithstick:
This explains my reasoning for my refusal as well.
I don't dance for fascists.
LOL. Again and again you all default to this. You wont get invovled(EXCEPT WHEN YOU DO AND GET CURB STOMPED) because youre better than me! You want to know the real awful truth? The reason you all make half hearted attempts at discrediting my points(Like Nigel when she unblocked me apparently just to demonstrate she doesnt know how the Electoral College works and then went back to polishing her numrous degrees, or LMNO when he wrote something up in reply to my How Trump Happened thread and then when he found out he was wrong decided "This was more me collecting my own thoughts than responding to yours" which is why it was a point for point of my own post) then when I actually bite back declare youre too good to talk to me while at the same time insulting me?
Its because youre afraid. Not of me. Youre afraid of what you might find out about yourself. In your nice cozy PreTrump(PostTrump too it seems) bubble where Trump couldnt happen and all the old racist white folks just quietly die you dont have to question anything, because you know everything. In the old political game when something happens you can tell what each "side" is going to say before they say it. Like a sitcom thats been on for too long. You keep watching even though you can predict all the beats BECAUSE you can predict all the beats. Its comfortable. So while youve been play acting being liberal or conservative or whatever youve never once had to actually think about what you believe. Never had to improv. Never had to go off script.
And if you had to go off script. If you didnt have your comfortable categories for how to think, you arent sure if you could. Just look at how you all reacted to Trump, actually go back to the threads and look. Like sharks that had been hit for the first time. Then, after an adjustment period, right back on script. You all arent too good to be contaminated by my Nazi-cooties, the fact that my posts still get replies is proof of that.
If this was a real level playing field, no histrionic loudly declared blocks, no passive aggressive high school bullshit, no insults, no appeals to your own identity or against mine, you would not want to be there because you have zero confidence in your ability to win. Which is why the entire left will continue to whine about "fake news" and for more censorship and banning and none of it will make any different. You say you wont dance for fascists, but the future is ours and someday you wont have a choice.
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Guess you know what's what. If this shit was all so amazing why be a creeper for years and never mention it until just before the election?
You never were serious about having A Good Time. You just decided to spy and do your best to seem benign. Truth is that you did a fine job right up until I shook you enough for your mask to slip. :golfclap:
You came here in an RP costume as an adversary and have yet to step out of that roll. I know this because you're STILL abstracting yourself as a "winner" and all others as you enemy "liberal loser" image. You're lost, in all senses blinded.
Having told you this many times in various ways, know that I don't intend to continue. No point. I absolutely WILL keep calling you out for your misguided "demon" worship though. That's just how I Saturday Night!
QuoteWhat mask do you keep talking about. I was completely upfront about being alt-right the day that I came back. My account wasnt some longcon troll if thats what youre thinking. Im not sure if the alt-right even existed when I joined. I came back before the election once I realized that Trump was going to win and it would cause butthurt and be glorious.
But you see, when the values you hold dear are dying, you are a loser. You guys have this weird super specific definition of those terms that you wont tell me so were just going to have to agree to disagree on that.
Huh. Went to look. Sure as shit almost a year gap in posting history, but not the slightest change in tone. Looks like you flounced after being called out for acting like a shit to Twid, complaining about folks "falsely" accusing you of
covertly being racist :roll:, and posting a rather interesting article about election manipulation through search engine priority manipulation.
Then it would seem you've roughly doubled your posts in a month or so since returning to gloat about your racist plots, glorious victory in Kuk, and otherwise to get revenge for your year-old butthurt.
Funny. Guess you showed us. Showed us we were RIGHT about you.
Go Kuk yourself. He waiting.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
LOL. Again and again you all default to this. You wont get invovled(EXCEPT WHEN YOU DO AND GET CURB STOMPED)
U MAD, BRO?
QuoteYou say you wont dance for fascists, but the future is ours and someday you wont have a choice.
Who's this "us" I keep hearing about? You think somehow fascism would put YOU on top?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
Ron went away and came back indoctrinated.
Quote from: The Wizard Joseph on November 23, 2016, 11:02:18 PM
Huh. Went to look. Sure as shit almost a year gap in posting history, but not the slightest change in tone. Looks like you flounced after being called out for acting like a shit to Twid, complaining about folks "falsely" accusing you of covertly being racist :roll:, and posting a rather interesting article about election manipulation through search engine priority manipulation.
Then it would seem you've roughly doubled your posts in a month or so since returning to gloat about your racist plots, glorious victory in Kuk, and otherwise to get revenge for your year-old butthurt.
Funny. Guess you showed us. Showed us we were RIGHT about you.
Go Kuk yourself. He waiting.
I flipped out on twid and the board in general because I was kind of disillusioned that a board of discordians was so anti-free speech. And then people called me racist, they also called me racist because I thought that protest at Harvard was stupid. I dont currently consider myself racist, Im a civic nationalist not an ethnic nationalist. Not that any of that means anything to any of you because as previously stated, even free speech is racist these days.
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 11:25:53 PM
Who's this "us" I keep hearing about? You think somehow fascism would put YOU on top?
:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
No. Are you people honestly so self centered and egotistical that you cant imagine working towards some kind of collective good without an immediate payoff for yourself?
"I fought at Normandy, it was long and hard, I saw a lot of good men die, but we took that beach"
"LOL WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF IT BRO"
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 24, 2016, 12:04:39 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Sung Low on November 23, 2016, 11:39:28 PM
Ron went away and came back indoctrinated.
Yep.
Indoctrinated by what?
Fuck off, Nazi twat. We were discussing your descent into filth, not talking to you. :lulz:
Except you were. Is this "Im not talking to you" bit supposed to troll me? Because youve all done it a hundred times already and each time you go right back to talking to me.
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 23, 2016, 06:25:21 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 06:03:10 PM
Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2016, 03:06:55 PM
:pokewithstick:
This explains my reasoning for my refusal as well.
I don't dance for fascists.
LOL. Again and again you all default to this. You wont get invovled(EXCEPT WHEN YOU DO AND GET CURB STOMPED) because youre better than me! You want to know the real awful truth? The reason you all make half hearted attempts at discrediting my points(Like Nigel when she unblocked me apparently just to demonstrate she doesnt know how the Electoral College works and then went back to polishing her numrous degrees, or LMNO when he wrote something up in reply to my How Trump Happened thread and then when he found out he was wrong decided "This was more me collecting my own thoughts than responding to yours" which is why it was a point for point of my own post) then when I actually bite back declare youre too good to talk to me while at the same time insulting me?
Its because youre afraid. Not of me. Youre afraid of what you might find out about yourself. In your nice cozy PreTrump(PostTrump too it seems) bubble where Trump couldnt happen and all the old racist white folks just quietly die you dont have to question anything, because you know everything. In the old political game when something happens you can tell what each "side" is going to say before they say it. Like a sitcom thats been on for too long. You keep watching even though you can predict all the beats BECAUSE you can predict all the beats. Its comfortable. So while youve been play acting being liberal or conservative or whatever youve never once had to actually think about what you believe. Never had to improv. Never had to go off script.
And if you had to go off script. If you didnt have your comfortable categories for how to think, you arent sure if you could. Just look at how you all reacted to Trump, actually go back to the threads and look. Like sharks that had been hit for the first time. Then, after an adjustment period, right back on script. You all arent too good to be contaminated by my Nazi-cooties, the fact that my posts still get replies is proof of that.
If this was a real level playing field, no histrionic loudly declared blocks, no passive aggressive high school bullshit, no insults, no appeals to your own identity or against mine, you would not want to be there because you have zero confidence in your ability to win. Which is why the entire left will continue to whine about "fake news" and for more censorship and banning and none of it will make any different. You say you wont dance for fascists, but the future is ours and someday you wont have a choice.
tl:dr
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 24, 2016, 12:24:22 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 24, 2016, 12:16:13 AM
Quote from: xXRon_Paul_42016Xxx(weed) on November 24, 2016, 12:04:39 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2016, 11:59:42 PM
Quote from: Sung Low on November 23, 2016, 11:39:28 PM
Ron went away and came back indoctrinated.
Yep.
Indoctrinated by what?
Fuck off, Nazi twat. We were discussing your descent into filth, not talking to you. :lulz:
Except you were. Is this "Im not talking to you" bit supposed to troll me? Because youve all done it a hundred times already and each time you go right back to talking to me.
Uh... they weren't talking to you. You addressed their two comments about you. It's right there in the quote order.
:putin: